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bobbynorwich
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Here’s a sampling of the reaction on the Twittersphere to Venus yellow lattice dress with tie-dyed skirt:

• New York Times tennis writer Christopher Clarey (@christophclarey (http://twitter.com/christophclarey)): “Taking suggestions on Venus’s latest sartorial offering…Not a tennis dress perhaps but a Trellis Dress”
• Daily Mail tennis correspondent Mike Dickson (@Mike_Dickson_DM (http://twitter.com/Mike_Dickson_DM)): “Venus Williams looks like she’s wearing a lattice cake.”
• Los Angeles Times tennis writer Diane Pucin (@mepucin (http://twitter.com/mepucin)): “Venus Williams’ dress looks as if it might be worn by Hanniball Lecter to keep him from eating people. Only in a cheery color.”
• British tennis player Anne Keothavong (@annekeothavong (http://twitter.com/annekeothavong)): “Some interesting outfits at this year’s Aussie Open… Not mentioning any names but seriously?!”
• London Times tennis correspondent Neil Harman (@NeilHarmanTimes (http://twitter.com/NeilHarmanTimes)): “I’m sorry Venus but that outfit! Even Nicolas Mahut would think twice about ever wearing one of those…”
• FOXSports.com tennis contributor Matt Cronin (@TennisReporters (http://twitter.com/TennisReporters)): “Quizz: Venus Williams dress looks like: 1: Pie crust 2: Spray-painted piece of trellis 3: temporary plastic fencing for a construction site”
• ESPN.com tennis contributor Kamakshi Tandon (@Kamakshi_Tandon (http://twitter.com/Kamakshi_Tandon)): “Someone took Venus Williams’ dress and police have cordoned off the area.”
• Yahoo! Sports blogger Chris Chase (@chaztopher (http://twitter.com/chaztopher)): “Venus Williams’ dress is her most ridiculous yet. It looks like Solid Gold Dancer meets Edward Scissorhands.”
• Forty Deuce blogger C Note (@FortyDeuceTwits (http://twitter.com/FortyDeuceTwits)): “All the colors and patterns that are flying at me on my screen have left me discombobulated. I feel like I’m in the Willy Wonka tunnel.”
• Tennis magazine photo editor David Rosenberg (@RosenbergTennis (http://twitter.com/RosenbergTennis)): “oh, venus. what are you thinking?”

What do you think about Venus’ dress? Envelope-pushing elegance or fashion fail?

Serena y Monica
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:15 AM
hated it...

Beat
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:19 AM
i have the distinct feeling that there's nobody at her company who tells her: "hey venus, you're a nice person, but this design sucks. very badly". they just whisper and giggle behind her back.

ranfurly
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Not too much of a fan of it, but I think it's great that she can go out there and wear it with pride.

Christ, she's in her early 30s and is a champion, she can wear anything she wants!

lol at Keovathong's snarky remark, she probably doesn't know what it's like to play out of sponsor apparel.

V's a star
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Ya this one is ughh.......................

CloudAtlas
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:22 AM
The top.....interesting, quirky and different.

The skirt...fascinating , eye-catching and memorable.

The top and the skirt together....fail, fail and fail.

Sean.
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:23 AM
It's gross!

young_gunner913
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:24 AM
:lol:

Serena y Monica
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:25 AM
i have the distinct feeling that there's nobody at her company who tells her: "hey venus, you're a nice person, but this design sucks. very badly". they just whisper and giggle behind her back.

Stupid is as stupid does. Seriously...fashion is about what you like not what others like. While i didn't like this dress she obviously wanted to push the envelope and she did...she is not nor never has been a conformist...CHILD.

ElusiveChanteuse
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:27 AM
90% of people think it sucks.:shrug:

sandv1
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:27 AM
The top and the skirt together....fail, fail and fail.

Aye, there's the rub. Good call.

BrandClay
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:28 AM
Venus was cracking me up..... (After I realized she was ok, ofcourse) But I was trying to put my head around that dress. Its outrageous. But I think she was just trying to top last year's publicity. lol

Mrs. Dimitrova
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:28 AM
I'm pretty sure she's going to wear a new dress next round.

L'Enfant Sauvage
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:30 AM
I thought the skirt would have looked beautiful with a simple tanktop. Maybe white? :shrug:
The top, however, was appalling.

young_gunner913
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:32 AM
Stupid is as stupid does. Seriously...fashion is about what you like not what others like. While i didn't like this dress she obviously wanted to push the envelope and she did...she is not nor never has been a conformist...CHILD.

Well if it's a bad design, she needs to be told. The blue one with the zipper keeps going up on her and she has to pull it down after every point. This one is just a mess. It just looks like something a high schooler put together.

V-MAC
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:36 AM
I can't defend it:lol: It is just strange as the top and bottom don't match at all.
What Vee has successfully done though is once again get everyone talking about her outfits;)

btw, I knew Keothavong would have to pass a comment:ras:

Moveyourfeet
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:54 AM
lol at Keovathong's snarky remark, she probably doesn't know what it's like to play out of sponsor apparel.

I died.

Sally Todd
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:34 AM
I'll say this for Venus, she's gotten people talking.

I just wish she'd do it more often at the tail end of a major, not the 2nd round.

Carotastrophe
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:39 AM
Well if it's a bad design, she needs to be told. The blue one with the zipper keeps going up on her and she has to pull it down after every point. This one is just a mess. It just looks like something a high schooler put together.

Correction, a dress a high schooler had put together would have been better.

Serena y Monica
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:02 PM
Well if it's a bad design, she needs to be told. The blue one with the zipper keeps going up on her and she has to pull it down after every point. This one is just a mess. It just looks like something a high schooler put together.


Your opinion about the dress is valid. But no the design isn't bad...we just didn't like it...she did. I love the blue dress and just in case you haven't been watching much womens tennis...all form fitting dresses rise up during play...and all skirts float up.
Some people will never get it. Venus is secure enough to were what she wants...she doesn't let others place their fears on her...THIS is a good thing. You obviously, from what you wrote, derive your since of self from others. Therefore, others can tell you what to wear or or how to behave because you fear their ridicule or laughter behind your back. Don't worry it's not just you...most of us let fear hold us back...not so much Venus, in the fashion realm that is.

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:06 PM
What Vee has successfully done though is once again get everyone talking about her outfits;)can't


It was one of the top sports stories on sky news earlier :lol:

Beat
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Stupid is as stupid does. Seriously...fashion is about what you like not what others like.

oh really? silly me, thinking that venus would like other people to fancy and, you know, like, actually buy the dresses designed by her.

tonythetiger
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Venus should burn that dress, but believe me, she wasn't wearing it for us. She's a free spirit and marches to her own drummer.

pav
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:29 PM
Unfortunately,just a combination of bad dress sense and aging attention seeking:sad:

n1_and_uh_noone
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Don't care for the monstrosities she wears (she's done way worse recently, with all that misguided illusion nonsense), but what a nerve she has dragging Alice in Wonderland into it :mad:. Lost all respect for her after that vacuous comment. But then all fashion design is like that, I suppose.

Oh, the outfit is inspired by Alice in Wonderland. Yeah, don't laugh. But it's kind of about a surprise, because when Alice goes down the hole, the rabbit hole, she finds all these things that are so surprising.

This outfit is about having a surprise in tennis a dress, and kind of, you know, showing some skin and then just having a print. Prints don't happen that often in tennis. So it's called the Wonderland dress. It was fun.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:49 PM
At the end of the day people need to realize that this is Venus' tennis career. If she wants her legacy to be that she looked a hot mess on the court, then who are we to try and stop her.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:03 PM
The more I think about this, the more I think it is Lena's fault. Venus is obviously so distraught over Lena's retirement, she decided to create one dress as an homage to all of Lena's Yonex dresses .

Valanga
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:13 PM
Just as I thought the one in French Open was the worst :help: Thanks Venus for letting me know she would put on some dresses of the fugliest designs EVER

esquímaux
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:17 PM
I liked the dress :D *DEAD* @ "trellis" :rolls: What surprised me was her undergarments. I'm assuming/hoping those were flesh-colour tights. Otherwise she bentover and exposed her caboose for all the world to see :unsure: :drool:

esquímaux
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:18 PM
Just as I thought the one in French Open was the worst :help: Thanks Venus for letting me know she would put on some dresses of the fugliest designs EVER

Perhaps Venus is channeling her inner Gaga :p

tonybotz
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:23 PM
its bad - design wise if this was the fashion show, they would say "oh here go hell come.". it is not flattering at all and detracts from what's supposed to be important- the tennis.

I remember Monica Seles saying during the 90s and the rise of Anna K. that "so long as the fashion doesn't supplant the tennis" it was fine for the girls to be fashion minded. we've passed that point.

The Witch-king
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:54 PM
oh really? silly me, thinking that venus would like other people to fancy and, you know, like, actually buy the dresses designed by her.

Where is she selling that particular dress? :confused

And this is not directed at you, Beat, but I think these threads are just an excuse for all the slimy haters like bobbynorwich to come out of the woodworks and insult/say what they want about Venus. You never heard words like "whore" and "hooker" when Dementieva came out with those Yonex plastic bags.

Rui.
Jan 19th, 2011, 04:59 PM
I think we might need one of Meryl Streep's expressions from TDWP

Whitehead's Boy
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:20 PM
Hello, this is 2011, wearing ugly clothes is no longer a sign of free spirit, or whatever else some deluded folks are suggesting in this thread.

LDVTennis
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:24 PM
Hello, this is 2011, wearing ugly clothes is no longer a sign of free spirit, or whatever else some deluded folks are suggesting in this thread.

Yeah, it is just a sign of bad taste, really, really bad taste.

Gdsimmons
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:29 PM
I am still wondering why not a single person decided to sit her down and just tell her, girlfriend this dress is ugly and you probably should not wear it.

Ellery
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Her dress is amaze. I love it :cheer:

alfonsojose
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Pics anyone?

MaBaker
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM
That dress doesn't deserve to be talked about this much.

Calypso
Jan 19th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Oh dear, Venus! Harsh criticism from The Sun....

From STEVE BRENNER in Melbourne

Published: Today
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DON'T give up the day job Venus.

On a day of few surprises here, it was left to Venus Williams to brighten everyone's day with one of the worst dresses ever worn at a Grand Slam.

The American No4 seed designs her own frocks and owns her own fashion company, EleVen.

But the monstrosity she paraded in her three set win over Czech Sandra Zahlavova on the Rod Laver Court will have punters running for the hills.

Where do you start? Everyone here in the media room have had their say.

It looks like a cheese and onion pasty, said one.

It had a touch of the temporary plastic fencing you see at building sites, tweeted another.

Had someone who didn't like her gone at it with a pair of scissors? Is there a mirror in her hotel room?

From a distance it even resembled the shocking yellow Arsenal away kit of the 90's.

I won't even go into the skin-coloured pants and accompanying tie-dye skirt.

One member of the Brit press pack has already dubbed her the Lady GaGa of tennis.

Thing is, even the bonkers pop star wouldn't wear something as horrible and wacky?

Hmm, well then again...

Not her best dress, for sure:tape:.

Reptilia
Jan 19th, 2011, 06:55 PM
judmoo
It might look like she's bn sick on the skirt but....I like Venus's mesh n satin mix dress. She knows her fashion. V trendy + v different.

Judy Murray approves :tape:

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Hello, this is 2011, wearing ugly clothes is no longer a sign of free spirit, or whatever else some deluded folks are suggesting in this thread.

Do you have any explanation to back that statement up?

There was me thinking that this is 2011, where your choice of clothes can be a sign of whatever you intend it to be, despite what some deluded morons are suggesting in this thread.

Annie.
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Fashion is truly subjective. If Venus likes it and she's the one wearing it then that's all that matters.

TuxedoSlam
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Fashion isn't subjective at all. It's being dictated by designers. Venus clearly isn't one of them.



She actually looked fat in this outfit.
Imo Venus looked best in those hotpants she once wore for USO. THAT was hot!

Olórin
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:20 PM
Fashion isn't subjective at all. It's being dictated by designers.

Dictated is far too strong a word. Trends are set by designers - but people still have a choice to what extent they conform or not to this trend. That is what makes it subjective - you can choose the degree to which you conform. And in fact, sometimes the trends and styles are so wide - the consumers' powers of interpretation are massive.

Most students of fashion would like to say that clothing fashion is an art - well art is nothing if not subjective. That poster was dead on the money saying fashion is subjective - certainly on an individual level.

StephenUK
Jan 19th, 2011, 07:45 PM
I don't know what has happened to Venus's fashion sense. She used to look so graceful and elegant, especially at Wimbledon. But she lost the plot with those flesh coloured peek a boo shorts at Roland Garros and this is even uglier. She can still look very stylish off-court. Has she got a new (rubbish) stylist?

homogenius
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:13 PM
I suspect Oracene designed this one :o

Seriously, wrong choice from vee this time.

2Black
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:15 PM
It wasn't the dress for me but the fact that her abs aren't tight enough to adorn such creativity :-)

Bismarck.
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:17 PM
I still don't see any relation to Alice In Wonderland. :sobbing:

Princeza
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:20 PM
That's criminal.

L'Enfant Sauvage
Jan 19th, 2011, 08:26 PM
I hate to make this outfit fiasco last any longer, but I must say - All of my favorite Vee outfits have been(more often than not) her more... toned down looks. Refined, I should say. My favorite as far as I can remember is her 03 wimbledon dress, simple and sophisticated in the front, but with a creative flair in the back. All the while sexy but not... overly so. And her shorts were not nude colored. I also really liked some of her EleVen outfits circa 08, like her Wimb, Us Open, and 09 Yec dresses. Simple but they all stood out as the best.

But whatever, if she can win the AO in a potato sack or with a coconut bra I'll be happy. As long as her fashion doesn't hinder her playing.

IAM#1
Jan 19th, 2011, 09:01 PM
the top with a simple yellow bottom would have been cute and the bottom with the simple white or black top would have been nice.. just putting those two together hurt her.

Ryan
Jan 19th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Probably the ugliest looking thing I've ever seen on a tennis player. It looks like a dog threw up on a blanket then chewed holes in it.

RVD
Jan 19th, 2011, 09:30 PM
:lol: :lol:
OMG Venus!
You are a brilliant businesswoman!! :worship:

I have to say this about Venus...
She knows how to get your attention and KEEP IT!
I just had a good long look at her outfit and was left stunned.
But not in a bad way, mind you.
She's front page news everywhere I look.
She has succeeded in increasing interest in tennis with her just a "dress".
It didn't hurt that her naga-nagas where hanging out the back side either. :drool:

Venus...Stop channeling my girl Serena's outrageous fashion spirit.

Note:
Fashion can only truly be appreciated by the designer.
what looks detestable to some is Haute couture to others.
And yes, fashion is very very subjective.

In fact, this time around, her fashion design has been very entertaining.

TuxedoSlam
Jan 19th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Dictated is far too strong a word. Trends are set by designers - but people still have a choice to what extent they conform or not to this trend. That is what makes it subjective - you can choose the degree to which you conform. And in fact, sometimes the trends and styles are so wide - the consumers' powers of interpretation are massive.

Most students of fashion would like to say that clothing fashion is an art - well art is nothing if not subjective. That poster was dead on the money saying fashion is subjective - certainly on an individual level.

Cool post and I agree with you: 'dictated' was definitely wrong wording. (Off topic: art really isn't subjective. What we consider good/great/everlasting art is what we've learned from art galleries, museums, art buyers and art critics.)

Don't get me wrong. One of the reasons I love WS is for bringing a new sense of fashion to the tennis courts. But right now it's Stella McCartney > Venus Williams as far as designing goes.

Sharapovian
Jan 19th, 2011, 09:44 PM
If Anne had mentioned Venus' name then everyone would be saying she was rude. She might even be talking about more than one dress. :shrug:

I like Vee, but I don't like this particular dress.

bobbynorwich
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:00 PM
I still don't see any relation to Alice In Wonderland. :sobbing:

Well, the connection to Alice in Wonderland is clear in one regard: like the book, the dress was apparently created while someone was heavy into drugs.

Fox News weighs into the brohaha:

http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/what_the_hell_is_venus_williams_wearing/3993273

http://cdn.cosbysweaters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/venus-2.jpg

Ntosake
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:07 PM
I love me some Vee, but I hate the dress.

First thing I thought of was yellow pie crust.

tennisbum79
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:13 PM
She was NOT thintking.

Venus should start thinking about the transition from tennis palyer to business woman.
This kind of faux-pas is not helping that effort

Slutati
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:13 PM
It was so bad it's good. :lol:

RVD
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Cool post and I agree with you: 'dictated' was definitely wrong wording. (Off topic: art really isn't subjective. What we consider good/great/everlasting art is what we've learned from art galleries, museums, art buyers and art critics.)

Don't get me wrong. One of the reasons I love WS is for bringing a new sense of fashion to the tennis courts. But right now it's Stella McCartney > Venus Williams as far as designing goes.The good folks at Merriam-Webster would vehemently disagree.
If you apply the specific definition of "subjective", "fashion" fits this description perfectly.

"Fashion" and "subjective" are even used as such in one of Merriam-Webstar's sample sentence definitions; if you scan down and view the Examples Of SUBJECTIVE at mid-page:
But I won't argue the point, since it's entirely possible that this word may hold a different meaning outside the U.S. That said, art is also subjective, since fashion is a form of artistic expression.

PhilePhile
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:27 PM
oGbkrE9cROA

Vee Williams
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:32 PM
It gets you all talking, doesn't it?

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:33 PM
http://l.yimg.com/i/util/anysize/376,http%3A%2F%2Fa323.yahoofs.com%2Fymg%2Ftramline s%2Ftramlines-577962707-1295434381.jpg%3FymNaFbEDMg_yQ6Nw?v=2

Oh. My. GOODNESS!

JN
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Your opinion about the dress is valid. But no the design isn't bad...we just didn't like it...she did. I love the blue dress and just in case you haven't been watching much womens tennis...all form fitting dresses rise up during play...and all skirts float up.
Some people will never get it. Venus is secure enough to were what she wants...she doesn't let others place their fears on her...THIS is a good thing. You obviously, from what you wrote, derive your since of self from others. Therefore, others can tell you what to wear or or how to behave because you fear their ridicule or laughter behind your back. Don't worry it's not just you...most of us let fear hold us back...not so much Venus, in the fashion realm that is.

THIS.

Serenaluv
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:44 PM
Some newspaper wrote : Venus, wearing a carnevalistic dress, if she had lost her match today, she could have flown straight to Rio de Janeiro :haha:

Tennisstar86
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:48 PM
The sad thing is I saw a picture of just the top up today and had she actually been "bare" underneath instead of giving an illusion of bareness... It would have looked good. Int he pic I saw it literally looked like underneath the straps (which were tight against her you could see nothing but skin...and it actually looked kinda sexy....but instead we got what we got and Venus looked a mess..... It was very baggy kind of like the stuff Caro wore last year when she was running around looking like a potatoe sack...

Ryan
Jan 19th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Are people arguing about what is/isnt subjective just to say that Venus' dress ISNT fucking horrible? I'm sorry, no one cares if VENUS likes it - clearly she does - that doesn't make it less heinous/hideous/ugly/insert-adjective-here. Fans....give it up.

vixter
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:02 AM
http://l.yimg.com/i/util/anysize/376,http%3A%2F%2Fa323.yahoofs.com%2Fymg%2Ftramline s%2Ftramlines-577962707-1295434381.jpg%3FymNaFbEDMg_yQ6Nw?v=2

Oh. My. GOODNESS!

:haha::haha::haha:

Dominic
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:09 AM
It gets you all talking, doesn't it?

yah so what is your point? it's still godawful.

Serena y Monica
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:14 AM
oh really? silly me, thinking that venus would like other people to fancy and, you know, like, actually buy the dresses designed by her.

I know it's hard to imagine...but there are ppl out there whose opinions differ from yours and mine. Venus is not the only one who likes this dress. I would have liked it if it were more form fitting and the weave was not the entire body.

RVD
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Are people arguing about what is/isnt subjective just to say that Venus' dress ISNT fucking horrible? I'm sorry, no one cares if VENUS likes it - clearly she does - that doesn't make it less heinous/hideous/ugly/insert-adjective-here. Fans....give it up.:eek:
You want posters to stop having opinions...or to stop discussing on a discussion board?!

No Ryan!!!
PLEASE say it isn't so-o-o-o! :hysteric:

RVD
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:35 AM
I know it's hard to imagine...but there are ppl out there whose opinions differ from yours and mine. Venus is not the only one who likes this dress. I would have liked it if it were more form fitting and the weave was not the entire body.I agree.
If the huge meshing was smaller and tighter, the outfit would actually be quite fetching.

It's interesting how people who absolutely hate it can be so adamant as to completely shut off any attempt at discussing it's qualities and assume that EVERYONE should hate simply because they themselves do.
But then I have to keep remembering that this is how TennisForum.com operates.

Sportfan
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:51 AM
I guess she was under the impression that she was a grown woman who can wear what she wants and doesn't need to consult anyone for their approval. I personally would have liked the dress better if the trellis design was only on the back and the front was solid but I wasn't consulted. I don't get why people are acting like they should have a say in what someone else gets to wear when nobody is asking them to wear something they have made plain they don't like.

Ryan
Jan 20th, 2011, 01:07 AM
:eek:
You want posters to stop having opinions...or to stop discussing on a discussion board?!

No Ryan!!!
PLEASE say it isn't so-o-o-o! :hysteric:



LOL. Nah dude. I just think its pretty clear the only people expressing any kind of "support" for it are Venus fans, who must see it as some kind of defeat to say its ugly. ;)

RVD
Jan 20th, 2011, 02:01 AM
LOL. Nah dude. I just think its pretty clear the only people expressing any kind of "support" for it are Venus fans, who must see it as some kind of defeat to say its ugly. ;)Nice to see your sense of humor shine through. :yeah:

At certain angles the outfit is hideous.
I mean the wide trellis portions makes her appear wider in the middle than she actually is. And the colors clash like a nightmare.
My overall take is different in that she wore this assemble to grab attention for the sport, which is why I posted from a business P.O.V.

But truthfully, looking from the bottom up, that outfit is a glorious sight to behold. ;)

vswfan
Jan 20th, 2011, 02:59 AM
I cant say that wonderland dress is trashy... its kind of interesting.
I have never imagined this kind of dress can be seen on tennis court. at some points Venus is creative. LOL
But yeah I was seriously shocked when I saw the dress. I thought it was brown grids so I was shocked when I finally realized that it was her skin. I guess Im still in shock...

http://pic.pimg.tw/sunnysocute/49f6b2023c531.jpg

Mrs. Peel
Jan 20th, 2011, 04:23 AM
Well, Venus has always given a middle finger to the Tennis Establishment, always, along with her sister, turning things upside down. She is giving another middle finger again, doing and wearing what she damn well pleases without backing down. We can dissect, eviscerate, be horrified, amused, etc. but Venus doesn't hear it nor does she care. I really admire that quality. Bravo Venus!:worship:

Dazza01
Jan 20th, 2011, 04:36 AM
She was being creative, and different. I applaud that.

But most agree (including me) that the combination of the top & skirt was just not good.

But the worst bit about this, is that the top with a simple yellow/white skirt or the print skirt with a simple, one-toned, white or aubergine top would have looked really good.

Venus is never far away, just never on the mark.

PLP
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:06 AM
Actually, I do kind of like it, and not because I am a Venus fan. It's just quite interesting.

That said, I don't know that it would be comfortable to play a match in, but that's Venus. :lol:

I really liked the Blue from rd 1.

Whitehead's Boy
Jan 20th, 2011, 08:39 AM
Do you have any explanation to back that statement up?

There was me thinking that this is 2011, where your choice of clothes can be a sign of whatever you intend it to be, despite what some deluded morons are suggesting in this thread.

Yes, I do have an explanation.

In 2011, wearing stupid/ugly clothes is nothing more than a ploy to attract attention, to compensate for the lack of talent and/or imagination. Venus is going down the Gaga path instead of using her talent. If often DOES attract attention, but so what? Wearing a garbage bag would attract attention too. Bottom line, I'm going to assume a person like Venus wants to be known for her talent, and not merely for being a businesswoman who attracts attention.

Raiden
Jan 20th, 2011, 09:15 AM
She knows how to get your attention and KEEP IT!
I just had a good long look at her outfit and was left stunned.
But not in a bad way, mind you.
She's front page news everywhere I look.
She has succeeded in increasing interest in tennis with her just a "dress".
It didn't hurt that her naga-nagas where hanging out the back side either.Had Venus been doing this for the same reasons as Bethanie MattekSands, i.e. for the purpose of being just tongue-in-cheek and without taking herself seriously, then there wouldn't have been anything wrong with it and indeed you could just regarded it as Venus channeling Gaga.

However Venus gives the impression that she's serious about fashion and design. Then I'm afraid criticism is inevitable. Only after being a well established designer can one get away with making such outrageous stuff and keep a straight face while coming up with some pseudo-meaning and then flog the damn thing as Haute Couture.

RVD
Jan 20th, 2011, 09:46 AM
Had Venus been doing this for the same reasons as Bethanie MattekSands, i.e. for the purpose of being just tongue-in-cheek and without taking herself seriously, then there wouldn't have been anything wrong with it and indeed you could just regarded it as Venus channeling Gaga.

However the impression that she's serious about fashion and design. Then I'm afraid criticism is inevitable. Only after being a well established designer can one get away with making such outrageous stuff and keep a straight face while coming up with some pseudo-meaning and then flog the damn thing as Haute Couture.But Venus has already established herself as a designer. And wouldn't you think that criticism in her line of work would be welcomed?
She already has/had clothing contracts. One well known brand where I live was with Wilson's Leather. And She's created far more than just leather designs that sold well.
She also runs an Interior Design business (V*STARR), so I'm pretty sure that she isn't new to criticism.
She's already had some hits & misses, and she'll likely have more.
I like that she puts her creations out there for criticism. A person with good business sense will do that.
We should remember that a successful designer pushes the envelop, and builds interest and clientele through often outlandish creations.
I think it's all about creativity and taking chances to determine what works and what flops.
And Venus isn't shy about taking chances, as we've seen in the past as well as presently.

Serena_Williams_
Jan 20th, 2011, 10:01 AM
But Venus has already established herself as a designer. And wouldn't you think that criticism in her line of work would be welcomed?
She already has/had clothing contracts. One well known brand where I live was with Wilson's Leather. And She's created far more than just leather designs that sold well.
She also runs an Interior Design business (V*STARR), so I'm pretty sure that she isn't new to criticism.
She's already had some hits & misses, and she'll likely have more.
I like that she puts her creations out there for criticism. A person with good business sense will do that.
We should remember that a successful designer pushes the envelop, and builds interest and clientele through often outlandish creations.
I think it's all about creativity and taking chances to determine what works and what flops.
And Venus isn't shy about taking chances, as we've seen in the past as well as presently.

agree

TennisFan66
Jan 20th, 2011, 10:46 AM
'Discombobulated' .. Now there's a word you dont see used often. :)

JN
Jan 20th, 2011, 11:21 AM
Nice to see your sense of humor shine through. :yeah:

At certain angles the outfit is hideous.
I mean the wide trellis portions makes her appear wider in the middle than she actually is. And the colors clash like a nightmare.
My overall take is different in that she wore this assemble to grab attention for the sport, which is why I posted from a business P.O.V.

But truthfully, looking from the bottom up, that outfit is a glorious sight to behold. ;)

Yes Lawd!!! http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/38.gif

Matt01
Jan 20th, 2011, 11:38 AM
Well, Venus has always given a middle finger to the Tennis Establishment, always, along with her sister, turning things upside down. She is giving another middle finger again, doing and wearing what she damn well pleases without backing down. We can dissect, eviscerate, be horrified, amused, etc. but Venus doesn't hear it nor does she care. I really admire that quality. Bravo Venus!:worship:


Bravo Venus.

And with that attitude, posters here are wondering why she and her sister don't get much support from the crowd...

it-girl
Jan 20th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Well, Venus has always given a middle finger to the Tennis Establishment, always, along with her sister, turning things upside down. She is giving another middle finger again, doing and wearing what she damn well pleases without backing down. We can dissect, eviscerate, be horrified, amused, etc. but Venus doesn't hear it nor does she care. I really admire that quality. Bravo Venus!:worship:So true:lol:

She was being creative, and different. I applaud that.

But most agree (including me) that the combination of the top & skirt was just not good.

But the worst bit about this, is that the top with a simple yellow/white skirt or the print skirt with a simple, one-toned, white or aubergine top would have looked really good.

Venus is never far away, just never on the mark.Yeah she did miss the mark with this one but I really do like the yellow top part.

JN
Jan 20th, 2011, 11:41 AM
Yes, I do have an explanation.

In 2011, wearing stupid/ugly clothes is nothing more than a ploy to attract attention, to compensate for the lack of talent and/or imagination. Venus is going down the Gaga path instead of using her talent. If often DOES attract attention, but so what? Wearing a garbage bag would attract attention too. Bottom line, I'm going to assume a person like Venus wants to be known for her talent, and not merely for being a businesswoman who attracts attention.

It's January 20th and you've already decided, for us, what 2011 is all about? :rolleyes:

The dress Venus wore is no more "stupid/ugly" than what you see on the runways of NYC and Paris. Most of those outfits aren't meant to be worn as is, but rather to inspire. And Venus' dress has done just that, which is obvious from the many posts in these threads saying how it could be changed or improved.

No matter what Venus does from this point forward, she's already cemented in our psyches as one of the best the game of tennis has ever seen, whether you like it or not. And if she keeps bringing this same fearlessness and dedication to her design work, she'll continue to succeed there, as well.

VishaalMaria
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:01 PM
Bravo Venus.

And with that attitude, posters here are wondering why she and her sister don't get much support from the crowd...

Venus isn't a player that NEEDS support from the crowd.

jrm
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:38 PM
Is this from Bob 'Tacky' Mackie collection?

Serena y Monica
Jan 20th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Are people arguing about what is/isnt subjective just to say that Venus' dress ISNT fucking horrible? I'm sorry, no one cares if VENUS likes it - clearly she does - that doesn't make it less heinous/hideous/ugly/insert-adjective-here. Fans....give it up.

There is opinion and there is fact. I you and most don't like this dress. heinous/hideous/ugly...all opinions...yours. I don't think it's any of those things just that it's not well made and over done...my opinion. FACT: regardless of what others think she obviously likes it and her opinion is no less worthy than yours.

oomph
Jan 20th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Stupid is as stupid does. Seriously...fashion is about what you like not what others like. While i didn't like this dress she obviously wanted to push the envelope and she did...she is not nor never has been a conformist...CHILD.

Do you even know what conformism means? Having a shitty fashion sense doesn't make you a non-conformist, it makes you fashion victim. :rolleyes:

oomph
Jan 20th, 2011, 02:26 PM
There is opinion and there is fact. I you and most don't like this dress. heinous/hideous/ugly...all opinions...yours. I don't think it's any of those things just that it's not well made and over done...my opinion. FACT: regardless of what others think she obviously likes it and her opinion is no less worthy than yours.

Bullshit. People need to quit the retarded "it's subjective, durr hurr" crap. It's not. He dress is, objectively speaking, BAD.


http://api.ning.com/files/wHlDoj7n-YXzJVY4qNaDFgrNvh6cyZYkKuF2VXLgDbuibUmCIKLgX1nHwi0 FYf3sE5fOTKo7FQs6j8JgKdbVxGNWzvKo1-s3/quasimodo20whipped20closeup.jpg

Lemme guess, this guy is only subjectively ugly. :lol:

JN
Jan 20th, 2011, 04:38 PM
Bullshit. People need to quit the retarded "it's subjective, durr hurr" crap. It's not. He dress is, objectively speaking, BAD.


http://api.ning.com/files/wHlDoj7n-YXzJVY4qNaDFgrNvh6cyZYkKuF2VXLgDbuibUmCIKLgX1nHwi0 FYf3sE5fOTKo7FQs6j8JgKdbVxGNWzvKo1-s3/quasimodo20whipped20closeup.jpg

Lemme guess, this guy is only subjectively ugly. :lol:

Ask his momz.

Serena y Monica
Jan 20th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Do you even know what conformism means? Having a shitty fashion sense doesn't make you a non-conformist, it makes you fashion victim. :rolleyes:
No...it makes you an individual...and well...non conformist. Feeling the need to be like dress like act like others...makes U...(and I don't mean the collective u)...I mean literally U...a judgemental jackwad who actually believes he gets to define others whose fashion sense doesn't fit his/her own.

Oh and p.s.

Objectively speaking...your understanding of conformism is well...BAD. As is your understanding of Objectively. It's impossible to speak objectively about about anothers fashion sense...Y..u ask...we are full circle again...FACT vs OPINION...lol. Think about it....

Mrs. Peel
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Bravo Venus.

And with that attitude, posters here are wondering why she and her sister don't get much support from the crowd...

Obviously they could give a f&*^ about support from the crowd. They have won without it for a loooong time. You think they want the approval of idiotic detractors like yourself? LOL

If their actions upset the likes of YOU, Bravo Venus! Bravo!

Matt01 you are such a wiener. LOL Remove that huge self-righteous stick out of your ass. I'm afraid though it may be too late, you will be a jerk for many more years to come.

LoveFifteen
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:03 PM
http://l.yimg.com/i/util/anysize/376,http%3A%2F%2Fa323.yahoofs.com%2Fymg%2Ftramline s%2Ftramlines-577962707-1295434381.jpg%3FymNaFbEDMg_yQ6Nw?v=2

Oh. My. GOODNESS!

This is what happens when you study design at a Florida community college. :tape:

AcesHigh
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Wait... if support from the crowd doesn't matter.. why do fans always bitch about it?

AcesHigh
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:04 PM
This is what happens when you study design at a Florida community college. :tape:

:sobbing: Leave Vee alone

Mrs. Peel
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Wait... if support from the crowd doesn't matter.. why do fans always bitch about it?

Because this is a message board and people have a right to their opinions. LOL I can't speak for everyone on here. :rolleyes: I am speaking MY opinion. I know that you think Williams fans are some large monolith without opinions of their own.

AcesHigh
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:15 PM
Because this is a message board and people have a right to their opinions. LOL I can't speak for everyone on here. :rolleyes: I am speaking MY opinion. I know that you think Williams fans are some large monolith without opinions of their own.

So does matt01
and it seems you missed the point of his post completely.

Stamp Paid
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:17 PM
This is what happens when you study design at a Florida community college. :tape:http://i52.tinypic.com/206zyoz.gif

Bismarck.
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:19 PM
This is what happens when you study design at a Florida community college. :tape:

:haha:

JN
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Obviously they could give a f&*^ about support from the crowd. They have won without it for a loooong time. You think they want the approval of idiotic detractors like yourself? LOL

If their actions upset the likes of YOU, Bravo Venus! Bravo!

Matt01 you are such a wiener. LOL Remove that huge self-righteous stick out of your ass. I'm afraid though it may be too late, you will be a jerk for many more years to come.

You've gotta hand it to Matt01 for finding an avatar that so fully encompasses all the traits I've bolded in your quote above. I feel for anyone he shares breathing space with.

RVD
Jan 20th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Bullshit. People need to quit the retarded "it's subjective, durr hurr" crap. It's not. He dress is, objectively speaking, BAD.


http://api.ning.com/files/wHlDoj7n-YXzJVY4qNaDFgrNvh6cyZYkKuF2VXLgDbuibUmCIKLgX1nHwi0 FYf3sE5fOTKo7FQs6j8JgKdbVxGNWzvKo1-s3/quasimodo20whipped20closeup.jpg

Lemme guess, this guy is only subjectively ugly. :lol:Oh my goodness...!
You're still in grammar school right?
The poster who used non-conformist actually did use the term correctly.
You just made yourself look as ugly (and ignorant) as the image you posted. :help:

RVD
Jan 20th, 2011, 08:17 PM
This is what happens when you study design at a Florida community college. :tape:And THIS is what happens when you succeed at it:


http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/startracks/041227/swilliams.jpg


I swear, some of you posters are beyond pathetic.

LDVTennis
Jan 20th, 2011, 08:50 PM
This is what happens when you study design at a Florida community college. :tape:

You left out the best part. The college was located in a strip mall. --- :lol:

JN
Jan 20th, 2011, 08:56 PM
You left out the best part. The college was located in a strip mall. --- :lol:

That she now owns! --- http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/64.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/64.gifhttp://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/64.gif

Stamp Paid
Jan 20th, 2011, 09:00 PM
You left out the best part. The college was located in a strip mall. --- :lol:Why lie? The joke was funny enough on its own. The Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale is not in a strip mall :lol:

Matt01
Jan 20th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Obviously they could give a f&*^ about support from the crowd. They have won without it for a loooong time. You think they want the approval of idiotic detractors like yourself? LOL

If their actions upset the likes of YOU, Bravo Venus! Bravo!

Matt01 you are such a wiener. LOL Remove that huge self-righteous stick out of your ass. I'm afraid though it may be too late, you will be a jerk for many more years to come.


:lol:

I couldn't care less about Venus' actions. What is getting on my nerves are the complaints from people like you about the cold reactions she and and her sisters are getting from the crowds all around the world. You are knowing and giving the reasons for it yourself but apparently don't want to face the reality and instead are wondering and complaining and whining about those reactions.

But of course you are free to go on with it, I find it rather amusing tbh.


So does matt01
and it seems you missed the point of his post completely.


:wavey:

SV_Fan
Jan 20th, 2011, 10:40 PM
Personally, I think had she just made the back of the top solid, the dress would be alright, or if she wanted to be different then she could of have just made the back lattice....that would have been fine...

oomph
Jan 20th, 2011, 10:44 PM
Oh my goodness...!
You're still in grammar school right?
The poster who used non-conformist actually did use the term correctly.
You just made yourself look as ugly (and ignorant) as the image you posted. :help:

He said "she has never been a conformist" despite the fact that nobody asked her to be. People just commented on how terrible it looked. Which it did.

:wavey:

Rocketta
Jan 21st, 2011, 12:10 AM
who cares Venus' dress is ugly ..... why does it bother people so? I'm not letting Wozniacki's hideous dress bother me..... get over it people. :lol:

sorceress
Jan 21st, 2011, 12:56 AM
It looks like a tea kettle warmer.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jan 21st, 2011, 01:06 AM
Can't wait to see what she's wearing tonight. I think Venus has us all fooled and is purposely getting people to talk about her bad outfits. Look what it did for Lady Gaga's career :tape:

LoveFifteen
Jan 21st, 2011, 02:16 AM
It's not a community college either :confused:

Click here (http://www.child-you-are-tragic.com)to download a sense of humor.

RVD
Jan 21st, 2011, 07:12 AM
He said "she has never been a conformist" despite the fact that nobody asked her to be. People just commented on how terrible it looked. Which it did.

:wavey:Just so long as you understand that he posted an opinion, just like everyone else, then it's all good.
Yeah, the outfit is different to some, and a failure to others.
If you say it's terrible, then who am I to argue. Some have even called it a monstrocity.
Opinions differ in much respect.
I still think it was a great advertising/business decision.
She's drawing viewership and massive worldwide media coverage all from wearing that "terrible monstrosity".
I personally believe that she succeeded in what she set out to do. ;)

VeeJJ
Jan 21st, 2011, 09:36 AM
lets stay on topic and not hate.

It's clear she was thinking about some waffles while designing this dress. LE GO MY EGO

JN
Jan 21st, 2011, 02:52 PM
lets stay on topic and not hate.

It's clear she was thinking about some waffles while designing this dress. LE GO MY EGO

It's actually "Eggo." Freudian slip? :tape:

Moveyourfeet
Jan 21st, 2011, 02:57 PM
The dress was fugly. We don't have to worry about seeing it again this fortnight. Next.

Melly Flew Us
Jan 23rd, 2011, 10:14 PM
the dress and the knickers have achieved what they were designed to do; but i cringed when i first saw them in tandem.

klever58
Jan 23rd, 2011, 10:35 PM
leave Vinas alone :bigcry:

hablo
Jan 23rd, 2011, 10:36 PM
:lol: @ love15's community college comment. :haha::tape:

I think it's the underpants that wreck the outfit: Venus should choose a different colour.

nevermind: I didn't realize she's worn quite a few outfits. Have to check them all out first. :o

mykarma
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:08 AM
No...it makes you an individual...and well...non conformist. Feeling the need to be like dress like act like others...makes U...(and I don't mean the collective u)...I mean literally U...a judgemental jackwad who actually believes he gets to define others whose fashion sense doesn't fit his/her own.

Oh and p.s.

Objectively speaking...your understanding of conformism is well...BAD. As is your understanding of Objectively. It's impossible to speak objectively about about anothers fashion sense...Y..u ask...we are full circle again...FACT vs OPINION...lol. Think about it....
:spit: You trying to take Mrs. Peel's rap?

Wait... if support from the crowd doesn't matter.. why do fans always bitch about it?
Because we can.
]And THIS is what happens when you succeed at it:[/B]


http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/startracks/041227/swilliams.jpg


I swear, some of you posters are beyond pathetic.
Here here.

DeliriousPotato
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:21 AM
Keothavong is a sneaky little kitty.
Oh, why am I complaining, I'm a religious follower of the Brits' tweets. They are amazing :lol: