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InsideOut.
Jan 18th, 2011, 02:21 PM
New start :)

gaviotabr
Jan 18th, 2011, 04:27 PM
Let's see what lies ahead..

Nena_xxx
Jan 18th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Title in Pattaya would be nice... :cheer:

Cp6uja
Jan 18th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Personally, after this R1 AO disaster I don't care too much about Ana's february results (in Asia).
Real Ivanovic priority in this upcoming period from my point of view: Ana should to back her aggressiveness, attacking style and power forehand from end of last season (or 2007-2008 if You more like).

If that's happen she has good chances to do something really big at Indian Wells premier mandatory which should to suits very well to her and be close to TOP10 comeback before start of clay season.

bruce goose
Jan 19th, 2011, 02:34 AM
Ana MIGHT struggle somewhat to find her rhythm this year but,unless she gets hit with a serious injury or some huge emotional trauma(e.g.,a family kidnapping),it's not gonna be like it was during the mega-slump.....She loves tennis again:),so Ana will fight her way back with the help of Marija and other faithful supporters

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:36 AM
More than in Pattaya, I want to see how Ana does in the tournaments that actually matter... the big ones.. she has been absolutely awful in them.So let's see how she does in Dubai.. but even more in IW and Miami.

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2011, 10:40 AM
Personally, after this R1 AO disaster I don't care too much about Ana's february results (in Asia).
Real Ivanovic priority in this upcoming period from my point of view: Ana should to back her aggressiveness, attacking style and power forehand from end of last season (or 2007-2008 if You more like).

If that's happen she has good chances to do something really big at Indian Wells premier mandatory which should to suits very well to her and be close to TOP10 comeback before start of clay season.

What would be a big result for you Cp6uja? QF? SF?

I don't think would be enough to get her close to top 10.. for now she will drop out of the top 20. Actually depressing.. Ana has no points this year.. so she lost 230 points from last year. And we thought that was a bad aussie season. :o

But yeah.. I guess we have to see how she plays.. This passive game will take her nowhere.

Cp6uja
Jan 19th, 2011, 02:56 PM
What would be a big result for you Cp6uja? QF? SF?

I don't think would be enough to get her close to top 10.. for now she will drop out of the top 20. Actually depressing.. Ana has no points this year.. so she lost 230 points from last year. And we thought that was a bad aussie season. :o

But yeah.. I guess we have to see how she plays.. This passive game will take her nowhere.Semifinal of course. This is tournament where she won title in 2008 and reach final in 2009, and she says couple times that Indian Wells like tournament perfectly suits to her. Also premier mandatory events is tournaments where Belgians and sisters most hate to compete seriously, so since 2009 New Roadmap BIG-4 won just one PM title (at IW sisters even not compete b/c boycott). Of course, defensive Ana has no problem to lose early against Sevastova-like opponents in 1st round like it happen last season, but we speculate here about Ana eventual results if she backs just where she finished 2010 season. In that case IW SF is not unrealistic projection, and even TOP10 comeback after Miami!

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Semifinal of course. This is tournament where she won title in 2008 and reach final in 2009, and she says couple times that Indian Wells like tournament perfectly suits to her. Also premier mandatory events is tournaments where Belgians and sisters most hate to compete seriously, so since 2009 New Roadmap BIG-4 won just one PM title (at IW sisters even not compete b/c boycott). Of course, defensive Ana has no problem to lose early against Sevastova-like opponents in 1st round like it happen last season, but we speculate here about Ana eventual results if she backs just where she finished 2010 season. In that case IW SF is not unrealistic projection, and even TOP10 comeback after Miami!

SF would definitely be a big time result. But I don't think it would get Ana anywhere close to the top 10, unless she has big results in february as well.

She has 2405 points now. With IW semi, it would be 2855. I think after AO top 10 will be around 3500 at the least. That would be around 600 points away.. a lot.

And yeah.. obviously she can only contend for such results if she goes back to playing an aggressive game. Pusher Ana is not top 50 player.

gaviotabr
Jan 19th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Entry list for Pattaya:

Vera Zvonareva RUS
Ana Ivanovic SRB
Maria Kirilenko RUS
Jie Zheng CHN
Daniela Hantuchova SVK
Roberta Vinci ITA
Yaroslava Shvedova KAZ
Sara Errani ITA
Kimiko Date-Krumm
Elena Baltacha GBR
Alla Kudryavtseva RUS
Tamarine Tanasugarn THA
Romina Oprandi ITA
Sybille Bammer AUT
Akgul Amanmuradova UZB
Shuai Peng CHN
Ayumi Morita JPN
Urszula Radwanska POL sr 75
Bojana Jovanovski SRB
Renata Voracova CZE
Tamira Paszek AUT
Shuai Zhang CHN
Alberta Brianti ITA
Jill Craybas USA

I have good news for all.. I will be traveling during the week of Pattaya. Since it's tradition for Ana to play well while I'm not watching, she might actually collect her first few points of the year here. :o

hellas719
Jan 20th, 2011, 02:23 AM
No Fed Cup? :(

InsideOut.
Jan 20th, 2011, 03:56 PM
I will be in Thailand during Pattaya. :hearts: But I'll be in Bangkok :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Jan 20th, 2011, 04:15 PM
I will be in Thailand during Pattaya. :hearts: But I'll be in Bangkok :rolleyes:

Oh! But maybe you can watch something on TV, right? I'm not sure about Pattaya's coverage.. I think it starts at QFs.

I'll be in the US, and I'm seriously considering not taking a laptop with me so I spend a whole week Ana-free.

SOA_MC
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Pattaya huh... Entering MM tournys a year late then she should have but that's our Ana :awww:

Do we know if Ana will play Memphis, Charleston, Ponte Verda?

tinabelz
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:07 PM
im supposed to go to pattaya my dream to see Ana life was planning it since last year but i didnt get to save my allowance ;( thailand is my only chance to see her less expensive than going to china ;( im so bummed i wont be able to go..

gaviotabr
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Pattaya huh... Entering MM tournys a year late then she should have but that's our Ana :awww:

Do we know if Ana will play Memphis, Charleston, Ponte Verda?

No.. And I think there is no Ponte Vedra anymore.

Ana will play: Pattaya, Dubai, Doha, IW, Miami, Rome, Madrid.

SOA_MC
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:22 PM
My mistake not keeping up the schedule and I think Memphis is the same week as Pattaya so that would be the epitome of dumb for Ana to play two tournaments in the same week :p

Is there no Stuttgart this year?

gaviotabr
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:27 PM
My mistake not keeping up the schedule and I think Memphis is the same week as Pattaya so that would be the epitome of dumb for Ana to play two tournaments in the same week :p

Is there no Stuttgart this year?

Stuttgart is the week of April 18th, but Ana doesn't have it in her schedule so far. They did say she might add tournaments later on.

If I were her though, I would add a MM and play 3 weeks in a row: Barcelona/Estoril, Madrid and Rome. That way she can have a few weeks to practice on clay before starting with tournaments. But I'm not sure what she will do.. I guess it also depends on if she decides to play Fed Cup in april or not.

SOA_MC
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:46 PM
I would prefer the bigger Stuttgart (even though it's indoors) over Barcelona/Estoril since it is red clay... red clay tournys are the best place for Ana to rack up a few top 30 wins and gain confidence.

I fully agree with Ana entering any and all HC MM's

gaviotabr
Jan 20th, 2011, 06:52 PM
I would prefer the bigger Stuttgart (even though it's indoors) over Barcelona/Estoril since it is red clay... red clay tournys are the best place for Ana to rack up a few top 30 wins and gain confidence.

I fully agree with Ana entering any and all HC MM's

I'm not sure red clay will be the best surface for this new pusher Ana. Fast hard courts (indoor and outdoor) are probably her best now. Ana was so good on clay before because her shots were heavy enough to be penetrating even on the slowest surface. Now her shots don't have all that much on it, so it's harder for her to hit a winner.

If she goes back to agressive Ana, then yeah.. maybe it would be better to play Stuttgart.. :shrug:

Celest
Jan 20th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Last year :

Stanford : 2R
San Diego : 1R
Cincinatti : SF
USO : 4R

Seoul : 1R
Beijing : 2R
Tokyo : QF
Linz : W

Doesn't bode well as far as as Pattaya is concerned :o

On the bright side, she should be close to her best in time for IW.

InsideOut.
Jan 21st, 2011, 05:19 AM
Seriously though, Izzy...if by your theory Ana plays well in your absence you should take a vacation during IW or Miami instead :p

The 2nd Law
Jan 21st, 2011, 07:03 AM
Seriously though, Izzy...if by your theory Ana plays well in your absence you should take a vacation during IW or Miami instead :p

:lol: and RG, Wimbly, USO, YEC ... :p

InsideOut.
Jan 21st, 2011, 10:35 AM
:lol: and RG, Wimbly, USO, YEC ... :p

...Madrid, Beijing...

gaviotabr
Jan 21st, 2011, 12:38 PM
Seriously though, Izzy...if by your theory Ana plays well in your absence you should take a vacation during IW or Miami instead :p

:lol: and RG, Wimbly, USO, YEC ... :p

...Madrid, Beijing...

Guys, believe me.. I would love to have so many holidays... I'd do it for Ana and for all sorts of reasons.. :spit:

Unfortunately, I don't have the money or the time. :sobbing:

I might.. be travelling the second week of Wimbledon. But would Ana even reach that far? :sobbing:

InsideOut.
Jan 21st, 2011, 03:52 PM
Guys, believe me.. I would love to have so many holidays... I'd do it for Ana and for all sorts of reasons.. :spit:

Unfortunately, I don't have the money or the time. :sobbing:

I might.. be travelling the second week of Wimbledon. But would Ana even reach that far? :sobbing:

:speakles: Promising. I'm sure it'll work out :drool:

Davodus
Jan 24th, 2011, 09:51 AM
Hopefully she does well here...good feelings in south east asia and everything :lol:

Pops Maellard
Jan 24th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Looking forward to Ana hopefully starting her season properly here. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Jan 24th, 2011, 12:41 PM
:speakles: Promising. I'm sure it'll work out :drool:

The issue is.. if everything works out and I indeed am able to travel on the second week of Wimbledon, I'll be going to London. Would I be too close to Ana for it to work out in her favor? :sobbing:

krystian
Jan 29th, 2011, 11:54 AM
so the next Ana's tournament is Pattaya? nothing changed about her plans?

I can see Ana will be 2 no. seeded there so should be quite interesting, seed. 1 is Zvonareva

InsideOut.
Jan 29th, 2011, 12:02 PM
Some potentially tricky first-round opponents :unsure: Kimiko, Shuai, Tammy, Akgul, Bojana, Tamira, etc. Hope Ana is ready.

gaviotabr
Jan 29th, 2011, 12:07 PM
Some potentially tricky first-round opponents :unsure: Kimiko, Shuai, Tammy, Akgul, Bojana, Tamira, etc. Hope Ana is ready.

Bojana withdrew as she is playing Fed Cup.

But yeah.. tricky 1st round opponents. Also Mirza should get through qualies and she played well against Henin at AO.

Let's see which Ana shows up.

gaviotabr
Jan 30th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Ana is supposed to arrive in Pattaya in the next few hours. I wonder if we'll get news from there before the start of the tournament.

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 6th, 2011, 08:08 AM
Wow... this forum has been comatose the past few days... :scared:

Anyway:

Ana has been drawn to face local wild Nudnida Luangnam in the first round of the PPT Pattaya Open, which begins in Thailand on Monday.

More soon.


Never heard of this girl, which means Ana hasn't either and will not have a game plan. :D :cheer:

Davodus
Feb 6th, 2011, 08:13 AM
Easy first round...she should thrash her. And if she doesn't then I'll be mad :p

Curtos07
Feb 6th, 2011, 09:09 AM
Here's the entire draw. That's a pretty easy draw I would say. One of the most favorable draws Ana has had in quite some time. Should at the very least make the semi's, probably the finals. Don't mess this up, Ana!

http://www.pentanglepromotions.com/pattaya-open/SinglesMainDraw_2011.html

Pops Maellard
Feb 6th, 2011, 09:11 AM
Ajde Ana! :rocker2: Can't wait. Don't crush our souls this time please. :p

InsideOut.
Feb 6th, 2011, 01:05 PM
I hate it when Ana plays randoms I've never heard of in my life :sobbing: Please beat her Ana :smash:

The Daviator
Feb 6th, 2011, 01:54 PM
What a great draw, only MK is a serious threat in her whole half. Should really make the final here.

InsideOut.
Feb 6th, 2011, 02:53 PM
I checked out this girl's stats, apparently it's the first time she's even played anyone in the top 100 :scared: But she did take our friend Julie Coin to 7-6(0) in the third in 2007 :unsure: Play well and beat her, Ana! :weirdo:

jelenacg
Feb 6th, 2011, 05:49 PM
I hate it when Ana plays randoms I've never heard of in my life :sobbing:

Same here :tape:
Ok draw but i don`t know what to expect :o

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 7th, 2011, 03:06 AM
What a great draw, only MK is a serious threat in her whole half. Should really make the final here.

Id like to see MK get through and meet Ana in the SF, could be interesting. They havent matched up since '07 LA.
Good luck Ana! Im with Jelena, no idea what to expect but the draw definitely looks good on paper.:)

InsideOut.
Feb 7th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Ana first up on Centre Court tomorrow:

http://www.pentanglepromotions.com/pattaya-open/results_draws/results_draws_07_02_2011/OP.jpg

Great :mad: One of two matches that I have absolutely no chance of following live because I'll be on the plane. :rolleyes:

Beat her, Ana! :smash:

Stevecw
Feb 7th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Never heard of her opponent, so surely Ana should win this easily. Hope she gets to sf at least and a match v Kirilenko.

Cp6uja
Feb 7th, 2011, 05:55 PM
So many pics, vids and reports from Pattaya, but all without Antonio van Grichen :bounce::bounce::bounce:

So Ana will play hers aggressive game and win whole thing :woohoo:

jelenacg
Feb 7th, 2011, 06:38 PM
:lol:

Sorry to disappoint you but Antonio is there with Ana

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2854/18000915263715478954310.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3900/18000915263715145621010.jpg

Sharapovian
Feb 7th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Good Luck Ana! :cheer:

bruce goose
Feb 7th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Ana,this is a tremendous opportunity to recapture that attack mode that enables you to be your best,and you showed last year that you're more than capable of overcoming obstacles that used to cripple you...it's up to you to decide how far you're willing to go to strengthen your mental game....Just hit out tomorrow like you do in title-winning mode:cool:;do NOT go into Pusher Mode unless nothing else is working and,even so,don't hang out for long in that 'neighborhood'.

Great chance to gain a worthy title by making it to the final and meeting Vera there,and you KNOW that you know how to beat her:).....AJDE,Ana!!!:bounce:

Edited down due to 'slightly' excessive rudeness(wink,wink)

Cp6uja
Feb 7th, 2011, 10:38 PM
:lol:

Sorry to disappoint you but Antonio is there with Ana

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2854/18000915263715478954310.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3900/18000915263715145621010.jpg:mad:

I hope there will be livestream from this MM event.
I don't care about result, only about game style how Ana will play there.
If that will be same pusher/passive tactics which she use against Makarova, and not be similar with way how she played between Cincinnati and Bali last season, I know who to blame again. If he not learn from that AO disaster and still insist on his "system" Pattaya should to be his last tournament with Ana.

doni1212
Feb 8th, 2011, 02:49 AM
Question: Do you guys think Ana's serve was more stable at the end of last year because she got to play indoors and thus, was more comfortable tossing the ball and getting some pop on it?

hellas719
Feb 8th, 2011, 03:07 AM
Kick ass, Ana! :rocker:

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 8th, 2011, 03:32 AM
:mad:

I hope there will be livestream from this MM event.
I don't care about result, only about game style how Ana will play there.
If that will be same pusher/passive tactics which she use against Makarova, and not be similar with way how she played between Cincinnati and Bali last season, I know who to blame again. If he not learn from that AO disaster and still insist on his "system" Pattaya should to be his last tournament with Ana.

i dont know about this year, but for the last two years there was only video from the sfs onward.

kimgurl
Feb 8th, 2011, 03:42 AM
ajah ana!!!:bounce:

InsideOut.
Feb 8th, 2011, 04:26 AM
Question: Do you guys think Ana's serve was more stable at the end of last year because she got to play indoors and thus, was more comfortable tossing the ball and getting some pop on it?

No, I think it goes up and down with her confidence. ;)

Davodus
Feb 8th, 2011, 04:30 AM
No, I think it goes up and down with her confidence. ;)

Me too, because she served quite well in the US, and it can be quite windy there too.

bruce goose
Feb 8th, 2011, 05:33 AM
Don't care one bit about getting mocked by others for a prediction that misses by a mile;in this case,I only care as it pertains to Sweet Ana's results.I really believe that Ana is ready to show us something good.The only caveat to that is if AVG is inadvertently messing with Ana's head by giving her bad advice.I'm NOT saying that he's doing that...have no idea,tbh...it's just that wrongheaded strategy is the most likely factor to derail Ana,IMO(not counting a major injury:eek:).As long as AVG isn't confusing Ana or having her focus incorrectly,then this upcoming stretch could be the point where we see her demonstrate the benefits of having gone through such tribulation in her slump...and then bursting back to significance at last year's end:cool:.

Ana did some new stuff last season that I feel/hope/pray were signs of even better things to come.On the surface,they don't look so noteworthy but,for ANA,I think they were important steps.....Beating a top 10 player after losing the 1st set;Coming back strongly following an inopportune injury;Hanging in there and winning after getting a bad line call that went against her in a close match(there were other impressive feats,too:))...these are all circumstances that wiped out Ana in the past,yet she displayed improved inner strength that we hadn't seen previously.There's still lots of work to do if Ana seeks to be an elite--and not merely a talented--tennis player,but let's find out if she's on the right track:drive:.....AJDE,Ana!:bounce::bounce::bounce: Don't make me look insane...for YOUR sake,not for mine:p

Mountain Ana
Feb 8th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Is there a stream for the match?

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2011, 07:33 AM
No stream. :(

kimgurl
Feb 8th, 2011, 07:49 AM
No stream. :(

:sad:

Curtos07
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:31 AM
Easy win for Ana. But totally expected. I can't believe some people thought this would even be competitive.

jelenacg
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:33 AM
^^
That`s bc with Ana you just never know :lol:

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:34 AM
lol, the poll. :lol:

Anyway serve was crap by the looks. But hopefully she's a bit more practiced now after this glorified practice session. ;)

Davodus
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:50 AM
she won about 17 return points in a row :lol: hilarious, but an appropriate scoreline given the player

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:58 AM
:cheer:

Sharapovian
Feb 8th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Yay :D

InsideOut.
Feb 8th, 2011, 12:05 PM
Thank God she won! :sobbing: I was so nervous on the plane. Had a chance to catch the beginning of the match on live scores while I was still in Bangkok airport, but the stupid free wi-fi didn't work and some dumb kid was hogging the fixed Internet. :o

bruce goose
Feb 8th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Well,I have a LENGTHY response to those Ana-bashers who complain that her 1st-Round foe was too easy:

1.Ana had a very difficult test in Makarova,post-injury,in the 1st Round of the AO
and
2.ANA WON!!So get over it,you asswipes!:nerner::nerner::nerner:

If anyone speaks Thai,then perhaps we should incorporate Bastante,Puta!('bitch please!')in that language:cool:

Stevecw
Feb 8th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Good start, gets a bit tougher next but still very winnable.

jelenacg
Feb 8th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Ana this week ended the trial period of coach Antonio van Grichen.

Playing her first match since parting company with the Portuguese, Ana beat Nudnida Luangnam of Thailand 6-0, 6-2 on Tuesday in the first round of the PTT Pattaya Open.

I have nothing ... :shrug:
Not a big fan of Antonio but how many coaches she has to change
I want Heinz back :bigcry:

Curtos07
Feb 8th, 2011, 07:24 PM
I don't get it. I wasn't exactly into Antonio either, but she needs stability. Another coaching change doesn't help. Weird time to break up too. Something had to happened.

nestor_bgd
Feb 8th, 2011, 07:27 PM
OMG, I don't get it. :lol:
And to think he was with her in Pattaya few days ago collecting balls as usual. http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6587/hugs.gif

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:06 PM
Wtf!? :weirdo:
I don't really like the dude, but breaking up in the middle of a tournament? :help:

Wonder who she'll end up next. Who would be available right now? :scratch:

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:15 PM
OMG, I don't get it. :lol:
And to think he was with her in Pattaya few days ago collecting balls as usual. http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6587/hugs.gif

:lol:
From the sounds of it they must have ended the trial before Ana's win, so he might want to just leave this 'job' off his resume. Otherwise what can he say? "Coached Ana Ivanovic to an 0-1 record in 2011"

Cp6uja
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:27 PM
Coaching update:

http://uputstva.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/clipart/vatromet.jpg

jelenacg
Feb 8th, 2011, 08:40 PM
TennisReporters Matt Cronin
Ana was hurt in Australia so loss didnt really count. What I do know is that he though Ana had lost too much weight...


TennisReporters Matt Cronin
wanted her to put some muscle back on to help power game & maybe trainer/friend didnt totally agree


Interesting ,maybe this had something to do with firing Antonio

blueskye
Feb 8th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Glad she won..but yet another coaching break-up..? Seriously :o I hope she and her team are able to determine what doesnt work, so that next time they will be able to find a coach that does work! Stability in your proffession is an important aspect that you can't overlook in sports..

Cp6uja
Feb 8th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Interesting ,maybe this had something to do with firing AntonioI don't agree with Cronin that Ana is powerless against Makarova because she lost too much weight - she is simple powerless thanks to brainless Van Grichen "be patient" tactics when she barely tried to attack. With same this weight just two weeks before AO Ana when playing with Novak in mixed doubles at Hopman Cup is able in some points to overpower even former ATP#1 and GS champion Layton Hewitt! Also don't forget when Ana last time is so slim like now - she won Roland Garros 2008 and don't have any problem with her power at all. Believe me, with current weight Ana more gets for her better movement than she lose in terms of power.

azdaja
Feb 8th, 2011, 10:46 PM
dayum, another coach change :unsure: when you look at it, it would have been better to have heinz as a part-time coach than this.

Cp6uja
Feb 8th, 2011, 11:00 PM
dayum, another coach change :unsure: when you look at it, it would have been better to have heinz as a part-time coach than this.Actually right now everything is better than Antonio van Grichen IMO. This will be for me best news about Ivanovic this week even If Ana wins Pattaya beating current WTA#3 Zvonareva in final!

AK-DH Fan
Feb 8th, 2011, 11:05 PM
Glad she won... Goodluck against Craybas. This should be easy, but I'm kinda nervous 4 some reason

Davodus
Feb 8th, 2011, 11:58 PM
Oh god, it doesn't take Ana long to drop coaches.

Pops Maellard
Feb 9th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Another coaching change. :help: Didn't know that till I came here just now.

ezone
Feb 9th, 2011, 04:01 AM
Interesting ,maybe this had something to do with firing Antonio

If he did feel that I don't think there's anything wrong except he made his feeling public and questioning the team's decision to a reporter will get you fired.

And, the questions becomes, what is more important to her game--power or quickness. If anything her defensive skills and quicker movement on the court are very extremely important. Of course, the other area is her mental toughness something a great sports psychologist like Jim Loeher can help.

There are places to measure muscle tissue etc to see just how much muscle was lost. On the other side, added muscle hurt JJ.

Didn't Ana win two tournaments at the end of last year without a coach? The great ones can think for themselves.

bruce goose
Feb 9th, 2011, 04:40 AM
dayum, another coach change :unsure: when you look at it, it would have been better to have heinz as a part-time coach than this.Yeah,agree with this big-time....Ideally,would like to see Ana reach the stage that "e-zone" refers to where she doesn't even need a coach...yet don't expect Ana to reach such a pinnacle of mental strength at the snap of her fingers.........This AVG situation makes me even more interested than normal in how Ana fares;another title right now,even though it's an MM,would be a nice accomplishment in my view

ezone
Feb 9th, 2011, 04:42 AM
How much weight did she lose ? Is losing more than 15 pounds in one month a good thing for an athlete ? I'm impressed she dropped the weight. I remember hearing Emilio Sanchez say that Ana trained a lot with them the year she won the French Open. Anybody know anything about that. He felt she had gotten away from the Spanish method of training during her slump. Sanchez may not have been her no. 1 coach they were training her.

She can return to Spain and train there while taking one of their coaches with her on the tour.

Curtos07
Feb 9th, 2011, 06:06 AM
How much weight did she lose ? Is losing more than 15 pounds in one month a good thing for an athlete ? I'm impressed she dropped the weight. I remember hearing Emilio Sanchez say that Ana trained a lot with them the year she won the French Open. Anybody know anything about that. He felt she had gotten away from the Spanish method of training during her slump. Sanchez may not have been her no. 1 coach they were training her.

She can return to Spain and train there while taking one of their coaches with her on the tour.

She lost 5 pounds, not 15. If she had lost 15, yeah, that would be pretty bad imo. Losing 5 pounds, I think is good. Just needs to work on those muscles and get some power back in her shots.

InsideOut.
Feb 9th, 2011, 06:45 AM
Coaching change :cheer: Au revoir Antonio! See, I don't think it's a bad decision even if that bit about him wanting her to put on muscle is true, because he simply doesn't understand the game well enough. If you'd listened to his on-court coaching sessions with Azarenka when they were still together, he gives the most useless advice ever; then you had his ill-fated coaching relationship with Zvonareva who dropped him quicker than a hot saucepan. Vera is actually a smart girl who knows what's best for her (i.e. hot former Abercrombie model who can satisfy her needs) so I'd think Ana probably made the right choice following in her footsteps.

kimgurl
Feb 9th, 2011, 06:52 AM
If she had lost 15, yeah, that would be pretty bad imo. Losing 5 pounds, I think is good. Just needs to work on those muscles and get some power back in her shots.

i agree..she is actually very thin right now, and i think her form is the best she had so far..

InsideOut.
Feb 9th, 2011, 01:19 PM
Bad match, but at least she managed to fight through and win it from a set down. :yeah:

Good luck against Vinci :unsure: She's going to need it.

jelenacg
Feb 9th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Well that was quick :lol: Ana only needed 3h to beat 35 years old woman :o

soul
Feb 9th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Is it true no more AVG?I was sensing it and it isthe right decision;Get Heinz Back''''''''''' No matter he travels only22 weeks.Ana is used not to have a full tımecoach

Davodus
Feb 9th, 2011, 01:27 PM
Well well well...isn't Ana in good form.

InsideOut.
Feb 9th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Well well well...isn't Ana in good form.

:shrug: Craybas is a fantastic player though. :hearts: She's won 3 matches in actual tournaments this year, more than Ana can claim! :inlove::tape:

soul
Feb 9th, 2011, 02:06 PM
Well well well...isn't Ana in good form.

I agree but can it be due to AVG bad choices that ade Ana confuse?

Cp6uja
Feb 9th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Today is perfect opportunity for Ana to tank match and escape from this MM and go to Dubai premier-5, and give her best next week.
But she chose to win... in that case she should to play Pattaya seriously till end of tournament and any eventual Pattaya lose before final will be real disaster.

Hers QF opponent will be Vinci and SF opponent probably Errani (both from Italy), and Ana career h2h against Italian players so far is amazing 18-0 (4-0 vs Vinci, 2-0 vs Errani) :devil::devil::devil:

InsideOut.
Feb 9th, 2011, 02:31 PM
I wouldn't be too confident though. Ana's matches against Vinci haven't been exactly cakewalks, she was at least pushed to a 7-5 set in all but the first meeting, and had to save match points in their third meeting (6-7 7-5 6-1). Her record against Errani is also misleading: Errani served for the first set both at RG and Wimby, and Ana was playing quite well back then.

ezone
Feb 9th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Ana never gives up nor will she hire her old coach Heinz. It was something she should have considered before. If she does Heinz would probably say no since he probably already lined up other work. She would have to pay him with money upfront.

ezone
Feb 9th, 2011, 02:56 PM
And to fire a coach during the week of a tournament ! There will definitely be a red flag regarding any coach she approaches. It wasn't cool what she did as many other coaches would be afraid to voice objections to things she might be doing like the amount of time she puts in on the practice court etc.

azdaja
Feb 9th, 2011, 04:42 PM
she won :shrug: and it was only her 3rd official match this year.

InsideOut.
Feb 9th, 2011, 04:55 PM
OOP is out for tomorrow and Ana isn't on it - extra day to work on her game before the QF :yeah:

bruce goose
Feb 9th, 2011, 07:44 PM
Would rather have Ana require 3 hours to beat Craybas instead of spending that same amount of time only to LOSE:lol:....Admittedly,this isn't the most encouraging sign right now,but I like the next matchup....NOT because of Ana's perfect W/L record vs. Vinci(Ana USED to have a flawless mark in the 1st Round of Slams;))...it's b/c Vinci is a scrapper--much better than Craybas,IMO--who won't give the match away,she'll force Ana to EARN the victory...let's see if she's up to the challenge:drive:

Stevecw
Feb 9th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Great comeback to pull this one back! Was following livescore in work and left it with her losing. Came back from meeting to see she had won 7-5, I wanted to run around & celebrate but had to hold it in!!

InsideOut.
Feb 9th, 2011, 11:45 PM
From the official site:

Ana edged past American Jill Craybas 4-6, 6-1, 7-5 in the second round of the PTT Pattaya Open in Thailand.

Ana started indifferently. She was hitting the ball cleaning from the baseline, but served four double faults and was broken following a marathon game. Craybas, on the other hand, was a model of consistency. She held to lead 2-0 and had a break point for 3-0 that Ana saved.

With the American leading 2-1 a most unusual interruption occurred when the floodlights failed. There was a power cut that hit the entire resort at which the tournament is being held, and an intermission of some 25 minutes ensued.

Eventually power was restored and the players returned for a 5-minute warm-up. Ana looked markedly more assured and she broke back to level at 3-3. She had a break point to lead 5-3 but spurned it, and the momentum again shifted, this time in favour of Craybas.

The 36-year-old veteran exploited Ana's misfiring groundstrokes and clinched the first set 6-4.

As Ana slipped to 15-40 in the opening game of the second set, things were looking bleak for the No.2 seed and the vast majority of the near-capacity crowd, who offered Ana their vociferous support.

However, the 23-year-old saved both break points, the second with a forehand sledgehammer. She began to play very aggressively and Craybas had no answer to her piercing groundstrokes. Ana raced into a 5-0 lead.

The second set outcome was inevitable. Craybas regrouped at the beginning of the final set and the match became very competitive once more.

Ana moved a break ahead at 3-2, at which point she required courtside treatment for a shoulder complaint. When she returned to the court she was broken, but she continued to fight and her forehand caused more problems for Craybas.

The match was very much up for grabs at 5-5 when a close line call went in favour of Ana. Craybas was incensed, but she kept her cool and competed gamely. But she could not resist Ana's attacking play and the former world No.1 sealed what proved to be a match-winning break in the 11th game.

Ana served the match out with the minimum of fuss, in stark contrast to the two hours and 25 minutes that had gone before.

"Saving those break points at the start of the second set was crucial," said Ana.

"It was a really strange match, full of ups and downs, and the lights going out!"

Furthermore, several 'lets' had to be played, as balls from the neighbouring court occassionally interrupting rallies.

Ana added: "The conditions this evening were very different to yesterday afternoon, so I am happy that I was able to adapt and to come through this test. Jill played a very good match and she didn't really deserve to lose. I'm just happy to be through."

Ana will take on fifth seed Roberta Vinci of Italy in the quarter-finals on Friday.

:unsure: at the bolded part.

Davodus
Feb 10th, 2011, 12:01 AM
I think it's very strange that an official tournament would play 2 courts next to eachother without even a fence in between. It's so distracting :o

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 10th, 2011, 04:24 AM
Craybas is a fantastic player though.

:unsure:
Tbh, ive only ever seen Jill a couple times, so ill take your word for it.:)
I dont know what kind of funds we have in the vaults of Anapolis, but we really need some petty cash to get Ben or Dexter, or whoever is closest to this place there pronto with a video camera, in case there isnt video of the quarters.:crying2:

bruce goose
Feb 10th, 2011, 04:25 AM
I think it's very strange that an official tournament would play 2 courts next to eachother without even a fence in between. It's so distracting :oYes,and you could even call it amateurish...it kind of epitomizes Mickey Mouse to me,but I won't care about the petty quality if Ana wins it

HowardH
Feb 10th, 2011, 04:29 AM
Admittedly they do have quite a wide space between the courts, so at least it's not as bad as playing two matches side by side at most tennis centres. It is a little unusual though. Must be something to do with whatever major structures are in place there. Not the way I would plan it. I won't be reading much into Ana's h2h with Roberta etc. You just never know with Ana. After all, there is always a first time for everything. If Ana plays like she did yesterday, she'll probably lose. So she needs to play better. Much better. Vinci, I'm sure, is hungry to get her first win over Ana, and the scoreline Ana produced today against the "fantastic" journeywoman Jill today probably has her salivating at the prospect of a career first Italian victory over Ana.

The shoulder thing is rather concerning too. Don't tell me she's going to aggravate her shoulder in this tournament and end up reducing her chances in the upcoming ones.

bruce goose
Feb 10th, 2011, 06:05 AM
Admittedly they do have quite a wide space between the courts, so at least it's not as bad as playing two matches side by side at most tennis centres. It is a little unusual though. Must be something to do with whatever major structures are in place there. Not the way I would plan it. I won't be reading much into Ana's h2h with Roberta etc. You just never know with Ana. After all, there is always a first time for everything. If Ana plays like she did yesterday, she'll probably lose. So she needs to play better. Much better. Vinci, I'm sure, is hungry to get her first win over Ana, and the scoreline Ana produced today against the "fantastic" journeywoman Jill today probably has her salivating at the prospect of a career first Italian victory over Ana.

The shoulder thing is rather concerning too. Don't tell me she's going to aggravate her shoulder in this tournament and end up reducing her chances in the upcoming ones.Agree with everything but the first part;even with a "wide space between the courts",it's still Bush League....Maybe we could have a tournament with an old grandma holding an abacus on her lap to keep score of the matches at THAT rate

....And yeah,I'd rather have Ana lose due to lousy play instead of defaulting b/c of injury.I know that Marija is a good trainer and faithful friend,but I don't think she's a doc,per se,and I can't ever totally get from my mind the shitty performance of Ana's medical team in the 2008 hard-court season....Let's hope there are wiser minds in place now

Pops Maellard
Feb 10th, 2011, 06:07 AM
Vinci next? Oh good. Ana doesn't lose to Italians. :hearts:

InsideOut.
Feb 10th, 2011, 02:48 PM
Ana is up second tomorrow on Court 1, after Vera's match against Shuai :) Good luck! :inlove:

jelenacg
Feb 10th, 2011, 04:31 PM
Good luck Ana and please play better

hellas719
Feb 11th, 2011, 01:06 AM
GL Ana! :bounce:

AK-DH Fan
Feb 11th, 2011, 01:43 AM
GL Ana!!!

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:09 AM
lol.

Bring on Dubai! :cheer:

InsideOut.
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Who cares about this stupid MM? :rolleyes: Bring on Dubai!

Curtos07
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:33 AM
:banghead:

Not surprised. Match went exactly the way I envisioned it going. Her serve is a mess right now and without having a coach, I am very worried about where she is headed. I think it's crucial she puts up a couple good results in the next couple of weeks or else things could go spiraling out of control again. Not looking good atm. Wishing she now had stayed with Heinz, even on a part time basis.

Sharapovian
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:44 AM
Bring on Dubai!

McPie
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Doviđenja :awww:


damn, my chance to meet her flew away :haha:

<Majmun>
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:55 AM
Vinci next? Oh good. Ana doesn't lose to Italians. :hearts:

:rain:

McPie
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:55 AM
or maybe because I just ate Pizza, and it affects her :haha:

<Majmun>
Feb 11th, 2011, 12:06 PM
or maybe because I just ate Pizza, and it affects her :haha:

Out of all foods it had to be pizza and while she was playing?

She got pizzad on the court.

HowardH
Feb 11th, 2011, 12:07 PM
Well, the first loss to an Italian finally comes. It did seem likely that today would be the day. Roberta is no pushover, and on her day her unusual game with volleys, slices, net attacks, dropshots and the odd big forehand can upset quite a few players.

Since we don't know to what extent Ana's shoulder is bothering her, I reserve judgment on this result till the next few tournaments are over. But at the moment it's looking like a bad run is coming, and Ana needs to turn things around. I think there are a few things Ana needs to get in order off court, coaching arrangements etc, so that she can remain focused on court. After the last couple of matches, I think a lot of potential opponents won't be seeing an early round match up with Ana as necessarily a bad thing at all.

Andreas
Feb 11th, 2011, 12:49 PM
Ana fucks up everything we have left to hold on to :crying2: First she lost in the 1st round of a Grand Slam and now this Italian thing.
Oh well, we still have a slam...

Hopefully this tournament was just seen as some kind of practice, and Ana will play somewhere near her best again in Dubai.

bruce goose
Feb 11th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Well, the first loss to an Italian finally comes. It did seem likely that today would be the day. Roberta is no pushover, and on her day her unusual game with volleys, slices, net attacks, dropshots and the odd big forehand can upset quite a few players.

Since we don't know to what extent Ana's shoulder is bothering her, I reserve judgment on this result till the next few tournaments are over. But at the moment it's looking like a bad run is coming, and Ana needs to turn things around. I think there are a few things Ana needs to get in order off court, coaching arrangements etc, so that she can remain focused on court. After the last couple of matches, I think a lot of potential opponents won't be seeing an early round match up with Ana as necessarily a bad thing at all.Yeah,I don't believe in jinxes,but I could almost smell that one coming after folks posted that 'never lost to an Italian' stuff:lol:.Another awful tennis prediction from me b/c I'd thought that Nole's AO success might inspire Ana somewhat...yet I tend to agree with you that the off-court uncertainty could be throwing her off,if ever so slightly.I still suspect that Ana believed she could talk Heinz into staying and wasn't well prepared for that coaching transition;overall,it was lousy planning by Ana and her team.

As you've said,Howard,let's see how Ana's shoulder is doing in the upcoming tourneys...and if she can stabilize her coaching set-up.I disagree with Curtis' fear that she'll 'spiral out of control' b/c Ana is MUCH more in touch with reality than she was in the heart of her slump.It might take a couple months,but Ana is gonna do some positive things this year...barring severe injury:eek:

Pops Maellard
Feb 11th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Ah, fuck! :mad:

Pops Maellard
Feb 11th, 2011, 07:59 PM
2010 was better than 2011 so far. :rolleyes:

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 11th, 2011, 11:38 PM
Id like to see MK get through and meet Ana in the SF, could be interesting. )

And if not them, then Vinci vs Errani might also be interesting.:o

Better luck in Dubai, Ana:hug:

The 2nd Law
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:35 AM
All good things come to an end (Italian winning streak :p)


Unsure about Dubai now.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Feb 12th, 2011, 07:55 AM
Looks like another bad tournament.
16 DF's in 3 matches. Even against Luangnam she lost too many points on her serve.
Almost lost to Craybas and couldn't win a set against Vinci.
If you ask me her serve and toss would probably all over the place and she played defensive.
I can't believe how she fell back this soon again.
75 points so far, that's not even the half of last year.
Dubai is next but she doesn't give us much hope.
Change that Ana!

Pops Maellard
Feb 12th, 2011, 08:54 AM
And whaddya know? Vinci crashes out in two sets to Errani. :haha:

Kabomba
Feb 12th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Does anyone else think that AVG fucked Ana's serve again? I remember Heinz was telling her not to think when she tosses the ball,and her serve and toss were significantly better at the end of 2010. And then we saw in some pictures from offseason that AVG was making Ana work on the toss,and that way made her think about it again. I don't think it was a good idea,because her toss and serve are back to being crap.

InsideOut.
Feb 12th, 2011, 02:52 PM
So Ana gets Patty in Dubai :o I hope Ana manages to beat her, she seems to have a thing for losing to players she beat at Linz last year :unsure:

Davodus
Feb 12th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Patty was pretty hopeless in Australia (in singles, she did well in doubles) but we'll see. She can always be tricky.

bruce goose
Feb 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Does anyone else think that AVG fucked Ana's serve again? I remember Heinz was telling her not to think when she tosses the ball,and her serve and toss were significantly better at the end of 2010. And then we saw in some pictures from offseason that AVG was making Ana work on the toss,and that way made her think about it again. I don't think it was a good idea,because her toss and serve are back to being crap.^^Yeah,I think that's a good theory...and maybe,hopefully,that was Ana's reasoning in firing him

On a bright spot,even some of Schnyder's fans suspect that her biological clock is ticking...that she'd rather imitate MAMA Clijsters than WTA-player-Clijsters...I'd like to think that Ana can handle this match-up

hellas719
Feb 13th, 2011, 03:40 AM
GL in Dubai! :bounce:

Cp6uja
Feb 13th, 2011, 02:02 PM
Let's hope Ana watched Kvitova-Clijsters Paris final, and realize how "brainless" and "one-dimensional" game is actually very effective when is used from tall and powerful player.

jonnyroyale_13
Feb 14th, 2011, 05:52 AM
Let's hope Ana watched Kvitova-Clijsters Paris final, and realize how "brainless" and "one-dimensional" game is actually very effective when is used from tall and powerful player.

Good news is Dubai has hawkeye(unlike Pattaya), so if self-coached Ana chooses, she can utilize all aspects of her most simple and effective play in her playbook this week-

Serve the ball
Eye the return
Run over to it
Bash the hell out of it with the forehand
If its called out, challenge the call. If not....
Ajde with some variation of fistpump

AKA: Plan A:cool:

Antoshka
Feb 14th, 2011, 05:42 PM
:cool:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7005/87343278.png

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 14th, 2011, 06:21 PM
Patty is gonna tie the h2h! :cheer:

doni1212
Feb 15th, 2011, 04:07 PM
When I say Ana shouldn't have lost this match, I'm not just saying that. It was in her hands. She was playing really well off the ground and up at net for almost 2 sets. I really don't understand how she keeps losing matches after being up in the 2nd. She was up 3-1 I believe today and before that she had 5 BPs in the first game of the 2nd set so she could've been up 4-0. I guess it goes back to her serve (13 DFs today) and her mind. Not to mention when she loses sets, it takes her a while to get started in the next set b/c she's so disappointed. Bounce back! Don't give away the first 3 games because you're mad at yourself. Start over again! I remember she did that against the Pusher last year and it pissed me off just like today.

InsideOut.
Feb 15th, 2011, 04:11 PM
I'm really upset about this loss. :sobbing: Though I like Patty, I never thought Ana would lose to her again, especially wasting a healthy lead and a lot of my time. :( The serve was so inconsistent and what's with all the DF-ing on break points? :rolleyes: There were three breaks in the match that she gave away with consecutive DFs if I remember correctly.

2-3 for the year :wavey:

Nena_xxx
Feb 15th, 2011, 04:13 PM
Scary. Unless she makes some big changes, her big comeback won't come... :bigcry:

Linguae^
Feb 15th, 2011, 04:47 PM
Awful match, but it doesn't anything to Ana's game nowadays - she is able to play good tournament, and then she just falls down.
She needs to work on her MIND. She is totally lost when the result goes down. We can see a wish in her, but she is absolutely disappointed in herself.

Vladiricky
Feb 15th, 2011, 05:06 PM
Her head is a mess. I guess this has been said many times but she really needs professional help, but she must be willing to accept help. If she doesn't truly believe she needs it then therapy is useless. In that moment person is vulnerable, she's just not ready yet.

bruce goose
Feb 15th, 2011, 05:09 PM
Schnyder USED to be a player at the fringe of the top level,but not anymore;Ana dominated Patty at Linz last year,and now Ana seems to have heavily regressed on a mental level.If I had to guess,I'd say that her comeback's success convinced her that her psychological problems weren't that serious,so she doesn't realize how absolutely CRUCIAL it is for her to have the right mindset...evidently,she's only paying lip service to the truth with her press comments,as she did in 2009.

I still don't think that this is gonna get as bad as it did before b/c Ana has a trusted friend in Marija who can be blunt with her,so Ana won't be almost completely separated from Reality as she was at her lowest point.Nevertheless,Marija can only help to a limited extent with the actual tennis performance,so Ana must consolidate her team with either a full-time reliable coach or a part-time Heinz

Sharapovian
Feb 15th, 2011, 05:09 PM
At the end of last year, she was playing great and now I hope it doesn't go back to square 1 :tears:

She did have Heinz at that point though.

Curtos07
Feb 15th, 2011, 05:37 PM
What a disaster this year is turning out to be. :sobbing:

Stevecw
Feb 15th, 2011, 05:41 PM
This is turning into a big worry. Keeps getting worse, no matter what changes she makes. Where to next I wonder except for more horrible results :sobbing:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Feb 15th, 2011, 06:41 PM
I don't know how she could drop down so easily again. In the end of last year it all seemed better. Cincinnati, some good matches at the USO and won even 2 tournaments.

Now the serve is such a big mess again. Ball toss is hopeless. 13 DF's (stats say 12 though) is way too much.
Now and then she showed great tennis today. Some awesome points and volley's. But most of the time it was just very weak. She's as fit as ever, but had to run even more than Schnyder. Too many UE's and also many weak shots so Schnyder could take the iniative.
The difference between her up and her down is unheard of.
I really don't understand this girl. Even in a loss like this you can see her talent, but you can also see how much she waste it. I don't know what the hell she's thinking or how it can go better cause this leads no where. She must see that as well.

76 points in 3 tournaments. That's even less than last year. It's not that she faced a good opponent yet. I thought we suffered enough as fans, but maybe we aren't even halfway.

SOA_MC
Feb 15th, 2011, 06:51 PM
She fired another coach :haha: somebody should invent a new ballbreaker nickname for Ana based on all her staff firings of recent :p

Maybe Ana will turn out like Vera... who reached top 10 relativity young, who then became a ordinary player because of head issues, who now at age 27 just had the best season of her career.
It's my only hope :sad:

Pops Maellard
Feb 15th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Fucking shit Ana. :sad: I'm sick of this shit. Man up or go home.

gaviotabr
Feb 15th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Uff.. just got home.

I honestly can't even believe all I'm reading.. I guess all I have to say is that I wish Ana the best of luck in her life/career as a tennis journeywoman.

One can't have so many completely idiotic decisions in life/career and still expect to do well.

Nena_xxx
Feb 15th, 2011, 08:24 PM
I still hope that she is going to hire Heinz at least to help her sometimes. It's not like her schedule is so busy that she plays every week.

gloria7
Feb 15th, 2011, 08:29 PM
I've lost my hope last week,when i saw her last interview in Pattaya. A journalist asked her: "Did you got any tip from Novak,how to build up your confidence and get back to the top?"-and Ana said: "I didn't had chance to talk much to him, you know, it's a little bit tough question and very personal to ask". I knew she fired AVG,and that she's not looking for a new coach.So i just lost all my hope. She had a whole month to talk about any problem she has with her best friend, to ask him for a help or just for an advice, i don't know, anything - and he would answer.If she can't talk about tennis with her closest friend, who is, also,one of the best players,a guy who had similar problems in the last two years,then i don't know who can help her.She can't ask her coach what to do,she doesn't want to ask Nole for a help, she doesn't know how to solve problems on her own. She had so many chances in the past to work with very good coaches and i can't believe that neither of them was good enough for her.Every fan,journalist,blogger,even hater knows what is her problem,tennis-wise, and how she should solve it,but she is so stubborn... It was painful today to watch how much her level dropped since Linz..Meh...I am a fan of a Victoria's Secret angel and i need time to accept that.

Tweedle
Feb 15th, 2011, 09:49 PM
^^^Well, to be fair it wasn't really clear that she was slumping again until Pattaya and Dubai.A lot of people( and probably herself) put a large part of the AO loss down to lack of practice and rustiness due to injury.And at Hopman Cup while she mightn't have been playing amazing she was still winning most of those matches,in straights(bar Henin) so I doubt she was too worried about her form at that stage to feel the need to ask him anything(and that was probably the most ideal week)At the Australian Open,like she said "he was busy winning", needing to concentrate on what have been two very important matches in his career so far.I mean she probably felt that the AO was about him and whenever she might have seen him around semis and finals,she probably didn't want to ask him a kind of depressing question about mental problems,with him having either a big match to prepare for or just having won a big match(i.e the Fed semi).Anyway she said she'll talk with him about it in the future (when it's a more relaxed time for both in terms of tournaments and matches I guess) and I'm sure Novak would be happy to give her any advice he had because he's very fond of her but whether it would be of much help to her we'll have to see.Players and their mentalities are different so it's not like it's going to have an amazing impact or something but still it's always helpful to hear a different outlook.
Also Ana looks at Nole as a friend and equal, so she might find it a bit embarrassing to ask him for advice in sort of an idolish way.But she said she would talk with him and I'm sure she will when it's a better timing for both and not stressful situations like the final rounds of Slams

Cp6uja
Feb 15th, 2011, 10:15 PM
At 6-4 3-1* Ana simple stops to play competitive match and start to play some bizarre training session... that is how I see today's match.

She has way too much UE's since start, but even that is not so big problem when she is aggressive and focused: in first set Ana have 16UE and Schnyder just 4UE, but Ana won that opening set 6-4.
She has way too much DF's since start, but even that is not so big problem when she is aggressive and focused: in first set Ana have 6DF (0 aces) and Schnyder just 1DF (2 aces), but Ana won that opening set 6-4.

After 6-4 3-1* Ana is simple not there anymore like competitive WTA player. Forget about UE's or DF's, real story of this match is fact that till 6-4 3-1* Ana Ivanovic won 25 out of 55 points on Patty Schnyder serve (not impressive, but good enough to broke Patty 3 times in 7 serve games), but after that point Ana won just 7 out of 44 points (about 15%:help:, 4 out of 8 PS serve games lose with love) on Schnyder serve!!! At slow-HC surface, since middle of 2nd set, one of weakest servers on tour won against Ivanovic about 90% pts on 1st serve and about 80% on hers 2nd serve till end of the match :eek:

Ana is ghost since 6-4 3-1*... she is simple not there. Patty is hopeless all the time when Ana's 1st serve or some risky 2nd serve is IN, and even ghost-Ana easy finished this points. But thanks to DF's and all points longer than 3-4 rallies which she lose so often on cheep way (since 6-4 3-1) Ana is not sure on her own serve also since that point.

bruce goose
Feb 16th, 2011, 04:50 AM
Hate to oversimplify things,but maybe Ana found another scummy loser bf who's filling her head with crap.She SORT of hid the last one for about 6 months although there were suspicions abounding....Anyway,Ana began slumping even in 2008 but she was still largely competitive;it wasn't until she attended that cursed event for the Rolex child pornographers that she began resembling an acid-tripping ITF player who was out-of-touch with Reality...and when she dumped the swishy,3rd-rate golf manure,she showed almost immediate improvement(Rome)...though it took a couple months for Heinz & Marija to clean up 2 years' worth of mess...and now Ana is demonstrating the same nonsense as before.COINCIDENCE??....What bothers me the most is that we can agree with near unanimity that Ana displayed a newfound love for tennis last year as she put her lowest points behind her.Is she such an unfaithful whore--FIGURATIVELY speaking--that her love disappears THAT soon after overcoming heavy adversity??:eek:If that's true,then Izzy's concerns about a wasted career are quite reasonable

krystian
Feb 16th, 2011, 08:27 AM
just seeing her current results it looks like the end of her career..

The 2nd Law
Feb 16th, 2011, 09:15 AM
I'm kinda over this now. You guys are great, but this forum is just filled with dreadful people. It shouldn't be a surprise to me, it can't be healthy to spend your days obsessing over an internet tennis forum, but many of them do.
I'll always support Ana but right now I don't feel like following her at all. I will probably change my mind tomorrow though :weirdo:

Pops Maellard
Feb 16th, 2011, 09:21 AM
I'm kinda over this now. You guys are great, but this forum is just filled with dreadful people. It shouldn't be a surprise to me, it can't be healthy to spend your days obsessing over an internet tennis forum, but many of them do.
I'll always support Ana but right now I don't feel like following her at all. I will probably change my mind tomorrow though :weirdo:
Totally know what you mean. :tears:

Vladiricky
Feb 16th, 2011, 09:29 AM
Totally know what you mean. :tears:

I'm kinda over this now. You guys are great, but this forum is just filled with dreadful people. It shouldn't be a surprise to me, it can't be healthy to spend your days obsessing over an internet tennis forum, but many of them do.
I'll always support Ana but right now I don't feel like following her at all. I will probably change my mind tomorrow though :weirdo:

Don't go! I've just got here. :D

Pops Maellard
Feb 16th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Don't go! I've just got here. :D

I'm not going anywhere, don't worry. :)

Davodus
Feb 16th, 2011, 10:13 AM
The loss was bad, but I actually thought Patty was playing relatively well. And when she does play well, she isn't exactly easy to beat. I'm gonna wait until Ana loses to some real nobodies before I start screaming new slump.

The 2nd Law
Feb 16th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Don't go! I've just got here. :D

This place is toxic! Since I made that post I havn't been off and I even posted in GM :lol: Spend too much time here but I just can't stop :tape:

Vladiricky
Feb 16th, 2011, 01:22 PM
This place is toxic! Since I made that post I havn't been off and I even posted in GM :lol: Spend too much time here but I just can't stop :tape:

:lol: I know, and it's all Ana's fault! :drink:

Cp6uja
Feb 16th, 2011, 01:38 PM
The loss was bad, but I actually thought Patty was playing relatively well. And when she does play well, she isn't exactly easy to beat. I'm gonna wait until Ana loses to some real nobodies before I start screaming new slump.No matter how she played yesterday, Patty Schnyder after 6-4 3-1 AI lead for sure not start to serve like Ivo Karlovic winning even on 2nd serve over 80% points and winning 4 out of hers last 8 serve-games with love (plus won all 5 own serve pts in TB). So there is no excuses for Ana HOW she lose. I swear if this is some MM event I will just laugh about yesterdays result totally sure that Ana tank that match. But it is premier-5 event, she played on CC injury free and after pathetic start of season desperately needs some good result - so no words to explain whats happen since 6-4 3-1 :shrug:

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 02:42 PM
I'm kinda over this now. You guys are great, but this forum is just filled with dreadful people. It shouldn't be a surprise to me, it can't be healthy to spend your days obsessing over an internet tennis forum, but many of them do.
I'll always support Ana but right now I don't feel like following her at all. I will probably change my mind tomorrow though :weirdo:

You shouldn't go to GM. I only read this forum..

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 02:43 PM
No matter how she played yesterday, Patty Schnyder after 6-4 3-1 AI lead for sure not start to serve like Ivo Karlovic winning even on 2nd serve over 80% points and winning 4 out of hers last 8 serve-games with love (plus won all 5 own serve pts in TB). So there is no excuses for Ana HOW she lose. I swear if this is some MM event I will just laugh about yesterdays result totally sure that Ana tank that match. But it is premier-5 event, she played on CC injury free and after pathetic start of season desperately needs some good result - so no words to explain whats happen since 6-4 3-1 :shrug:

Yeah yeah.. no excuses. Also no excuses for how Ana can't hit a proper forehand anymore. It's like forgetting how to ride a bike.

How could she remember by american summer of 2010 and forget again now?

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 02:44 PM
Hate to oversimplify things,but maybe Ana found another scummy loser bf who's filling her head with crap.She SORT of hid the last one for about 6 months although there were suspicions abounding....Anyway,Ana began slumping even in 2008 but she was still largely competitive;it wasn't until she attended that cursed event for the Rolex child pornographers that she began resembling an acid-tripping ITF player who was out-of-touch with Reality...and when she dumped the swishy,3rd-rate golf manure,she showed almost immediate improvement(Rome)...though it took a couple months for Heinz & Marija to clean up 2 years' worth of mess...and now Ana is demonstrating the same nonsense as before.COINCIDENCE??....What bothers me the most is that we can agree with near unanimity that Ana displayed a newfound love for tennis last year as she put her lowest points behind her.Is she such an unfaithful whore--FIGURATIVELY speaking--that her love disappears THAT soon after overcoming heavy adversity??:eek:If that's true,then Izzy's concerns about a wasted career are quite reasonable

Nothing would surprise me honestly.

All this sounds so much like when she fired Kardon. End of 2009 all over again.

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 02:46 PM
The loss was bad, but I actually thought Patty was playing relatively well. And when she does play well, she isn't exactly easy to beat. I'm gonna wait until Ana loses to some real nobodies before I start screaming new slump.

Ana has the ability of making anyone look like GOAT when she isn't playing well. She made Peer look like Karlovic last year.

Barely beating Craybas is the most worrying result though. And then losing to slumping Vinci.

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Ana had such a huge chance of moving up the first couple of months of the year. Yet she managed to lose points and move down. Luckily (or not...) she only has Rome points to defend until august, so she should stay in the top 30 or so until then. It's not looking likely that she will defend any points at all. :tape:

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Ana just withdrew from Doha.

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Ana has been forced to withdraw from next week's Qatar Ladies Open 2011 in Doha with a recurrence of the abdominal muscle injury she sustained in Australia last month.

"It's very frustrating, because I am so motivated to train and to get more matches under my belt," said Ana.

"But with this injury I am restricted, especially on the serve, so I just have to rest and then kind of restart my season. I'm sorry to be missing Doha but I'm sure I will be back there in the future."

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Puff... I knew the ab injury thing was very worrisome. But all this smells like something else as well. :tape:

Adrian1092
Feb 16th, 2011, 03:59 PM
Why did she play so :confused: I agree with you Izzy, maybe something else is going on. Why does her tennis career have to be so drama-filled :rolleyes:

Marilyn Monheaux
Feb 16th, 2011, 04:01 PM
I'm so over all these stupid injuries. :o

Sharapovian
Feb 16th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Just isn't getting any better :sad:

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Why did she play so :confused: I agree with you Izzy, maybe something else is going on. Why does her tennis career have to be so drama-filled :rolleyes:

Bad decisions, bad decisions.. I definitely think this is much more than a recurrence from an injury, even though I was always aware this injury was a nasty one that could pretty much kill any momentum she had.

I hope Bruce isn't right..

Nena_xxx
Feb 16th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Agree with you guys. Think something else is going on with Ana. And no matter what's that, lets hope she can fix her problems soon.

azdaja
Feb 16th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Ana just withdrew from Doha.
ok, then, somebody set up an alarm clock to wake me up in time in order to start caring again :o

Cp6uja
Feb 16th, 2011, 10:32 PM
(from Dubai R1 postmatch Interview)
Q. So your stomach injury has healed, but it's more or less building up your fitness?
ANA IVANOVIC: Yeah, it is. Because, I mean, you do lose a lot. After my match in Melbourne, I still couldn't practice for a few days. I had to take time off because it wasn't healed enough. So, yeah, it is always going to hard. Like I said, you have to take off a little bit before the matches. So it's tough with the tournaments around, but then yet I need matches, you know. I think I do play well enough to get through the tournaments, so, yeah.Old stomach injury seems to me more like excuse for Doha withdraws than real reason. But now I start to thinking that Ana also "withdrew" from Dubai also (I guess from same mysterious reason)! I have no idea what is reason for that, but her game after 6-4 3-1 lead vs Schnyder more and more looks to me like training session, not competitive match :shrug: But on other hand, what can force player which so desperately needs results and competition to give up from two back-to-back premier events just like that!?

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Old stomach injury seems to me more like excuse for Doha withdraws than real reason. But now I start to thinking that Ana also "withdrew" from Dubai also (I guess from same mysterious reason)! I have no idea what is reason for that, but her game after 6-4 3-1 lead vs Schnyder more and more looks to me like training session, not competitive match :shrug: But on other hand, what can force player which so desperately needs results and competition to give up from two back-to-back premier events just like that!?

Exactly. I'm with you on that one. What is the real reason? Maybe she just doesn't want to be playing tennis right now.. for some reason... she has done that in the past.. back then it was to go golfing.. what now?

Cp6uja
Feb 16th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Exactly. I'm with you on that one. What is the real reason? Maybe she just doesn't want to be playing tennis right now.. for some reason... she has done that in the past.. back then it was to go golfing.. what now?Bizarre detail about everything is fact that on videos from Ana off-court activities since start of 2011 season (Australia, Thailand, Middle East) she probably looks more happier than ever!

Last season in this time of year I watched Ana during FED CUP vs Russia. She played so awful... but also You can feel such painful and intense frustration and unhappiness. But not now: her 2011 season AO-Pattaya-Dubai start is also very awful, but she looks so relaxed and happy :scratch::scratch::scratch:

To be honest, last things which I want to see from Ana is pain and tears. "Think positive" and "always smiling" maybe looks even like dumb reaction from her right now (if there is not some secret reason for that), but for me is everything better than to see something like for example that obvious panic-attack during 2010 FED CUP doubles match and her attempts at pressers at 2010 season beginning to mask/hide obvious fear, shakiness and confusion.

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 11:51 PM
Bizarre detail about everything is fact that on videos from Ana off-court activities since start of 2011 season (Australia, Thailand, Middle East) she probably looks more happier than ever!

Last season in this time of year I watched Ana during FED CUP vs Russia. She played so awful... but also You can feel such painful and intense frustration and unhappiness. But not now: her 2011 season AO-Pattaya-Dubai start is also very awful, but she looks so relaxed and happy :scratch::scratch::scratch:

To be honest, last things which I want to see from Ana is pain and tears. "Think positive" and "always smiling" maybe looks even like dumb reaction from her right now (if there is not some secret reason for that), but for me is everything better than to see something like for example that obvious panic-attack during 2010 FED CUP doubles match and her attempts at pressers at 2010 season beginning to mask/hide obvious fear, shakiness and confusion.

Maybe she just doesn't really care anymore. If that's it, then it's really over.

Her interviews these past 2 weeks have been shockingly awful. I was especially happy at the end of last year how she seemed very lucid in her interviews. Even at Hopman Cup. Now it's back to incredibly idiotic. Even worse than end of 2009. Something must have happened or else I can't explain. Saying her serve was good? That she is happy with her game? WTF???

And I'm pretty sure this withdrawal is much more related to not wanting to play than to the injury. Sure, abs injury are nasty and can flare up at any time.. but that's not why Ana was playing that bad. And I very much doubt it was reason enough to prevent her from playing Doha. She had 3 weeks to rest, recover and prepare after losing at AO, yet came back playing like crap. These "I need to rest and then I'll have to restart my season" only seems like an excuse to avoid another embarrassing loss. And before people start acusing me of acusing Ana of making up an injury.. I'm not saying that. She has the injury, and I was the first one to be scared to death of its consequences while everyone was positive it would be nothing. Abdominal injuries suck for the player. But I'm sure there is much more into it than just the injury. And this much more might explain how come Ana looks like she forgot how to play tennis all over again.

gaviotabr
Feb 16th, 2011, 11:56 PM
I think the worst signs here are not even the Doha withdrawal and the Patty loss, but her narrow win over Craybas and the last few interviews which have been completely facepalm worthy. Ana is completely confused and has no idea what she is doing or how to adress her own game.

I wouldn't be surprised if she loses in the first round of the next few tournaments. And people shouldn't blame the injury for that.

Langers
Feb 17th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Is Ana EVER not injured? :o

bruce goose
Feb 17th, 2011, 02:44 AM
Bad decisions, bad decisions.. I definitely think this is much more than a recurrence from an injury, even though I was always aware this injury was a nasty one that could pretty much kill any momentum she had.

I hope Bruce isn't right..Yeah,I really hope so,too...I was dead on the mark--100%--when I saw those beach photos with the scumbag in Jan. 2009 and then saw how crappily she played combined with her lousy fitness...but then I TOTALLY missed when predicting/hoping that she'd show something good when her injury healed up some.I just couldn't imagine that Ana,after what she went through,could so easily...and so QUICKLY...lose her motivation again.

Is it a scummy bf once more?...did Ana meet an ex-tennis burnout who's found happiness away from the sport?...did Ana get some kind of epiphany that she'd rather spend her life helping disadvantaged Serbian kids???....I won't deny how perplexed I am over these recent developments

bruce goose
Feb 17th, 2011, 04:35 AM
Another possibility that just hit me a little while ago....In light of Ana's placid,happy appearance,maybe the reason her head's out of whack is because NOLE said something to her during their time together.Yeah,yeah,yeah...supposedly there's nothing romantic between them...and maybe that's absolutely true,but I can't help noticing that some of the posters who dismiss the possibility are the very same ones who insisted that her so-called relationship with the putt-putt golfing shitbag was a GOOD thing that was leading Ana to grow and mature as a person...that it was a healthy union that would actually strengthen Ana:rolleyes:...all these claims despite the enormous tidal wave of evidence to the exact contrary.....

So perhaps there really is nothing at all between Ana and Nole,but the fact that some of the 2009-10 WAGging apologists are the ones claiming that makes me LESS inclined to believe it.At the very least,both AI and ND ponder the other from time to time...of THAT I have no doubt.Would they be happy together as mates?That's mere speculation at this point,but it'd be light years away from the most bizarre occurrence if one of them came out and confessed in a couple months...it's certainly nowhere near impossible...and aye SERIOUSLY doubt that Ana would react negatively if Nole told her during the AO that the time he spent with her was the best of his life...I could see that making her distracted,dizzy and happy all at once.

....Anyhow,I'll unequivocally confess that this is speculation,but it was the best scenario I could picture to justify Ana's crappy play...and her seeming numbness to it:shrug:

Pops Maellard
Feb 17th, 2011, 05:25 AM
Along that thought ^ if Ana and Nole really are seeing each other on the down low then Nole would be cheating on his GF who I'm pretty sure he's still officially 'with'. Perhaps Ana would have that on her conscience.

The 2nd Law
Feb 17th, 2011, 11:18 AM
It's interesting to ponder what may be in her private life, but we have no idea until something actually comes to light :lol:
I really hope Izzy, Cp6uja and Bruce are wrong though, as I'm sure they are hoping too. If Ana is no longer motivated it really is the end. Look at Vaidisova :help:

Tweedle
Feb 17th, 2011, 11:27 AM
Another possibility that just hit me a little while ago....In light of Ana's placid,happy appearance,maybe the reason her head's out of whack is because NOLE said something to her during their time together.Yeah,yeah,yeah...supposedly there's nothing romantic between them...and maybe that's absolutely true,but I can't help noticing that some of the posters who dismiss the possibility are the very same ones who insisted that her so-called relationship with the putt-putt golfing shitbag was a GOOD thing that was leading Ana to grow and mature as a person...that it was a healthy union that would actually strengthen Ana:rolleyes:...all these claims despite the enormous tidal wave of evidence to the exact contrary.....

So perhaps there really is nothing at all between Ana and Nole,but the fact that some of the 2009-10 WAGging apologists are the ones claiming that makes me LESS inclined to believe it.At the very least,both AI and ND ponder the other from time to time...of THAT I have no doubt.Would they be happy together as mates?That's mere speculation at this point,but it'd be light years away from the most bizarre occurrence if one of them came out and confessed in a couple months...it's certainly nowhere near impossible...and aye SERIOUSLY doubt that Ana would react negatively if Nole told her during the AO that the time he spent with her was the best of his life...I could see that making her distracted,dizzy and happy all at once.

....Anyhow,I'll unequivocally confess that this is speculation,but it was the best scenario I could picture to justify Ana's crappy play...and her seeming numbness to it:shrug:

Seriously,they are actually just friends, nothing's gone on.Nole is still very much with his GF atm.He mentioned her in some press conference in AO,can't remember what the question was and then in the speech after the final(when Ana was obviously in the stands),"dedicating the title to his family,his brothers,his girl Jelena...." There's also been pics of them together since he came back from AO. They've been together 5 years now and seem pretty solid

Cp6uja
Feb 17th, 2011, 12:07 PM
If Ana is no longer motivated it really is the end. Look at Vaidisova :help:Ana is so obviously not motivated (and not excited:p) to play tennis and compete at tournaments THIS MONTH. But to make catastrophic bold statements about future career of 23yo young player (even of this 2011 season which just started actually) is way too early and not even serious. Last season hers 1st half of season was simple terrible, but in Rome she reach SF beating such opponents like Dementieva, Azarenka, Petrova. After RG/Wimbledon back to back major disasters and fall from TOP50 things really looks so bad, but suddenly since August till end of 2010 she start to play TOP10 level tennis. I'm really shocked and confused how on Earth someone who finished 2010 season on that way can start next 2011 season such badly, but I'm not hopeless about Ana that current nightmare necessarily means total disaster about Ana Ivanovic near future. I see that something is deeply wrong with Ana on court, but I have no idea what is real reasons for that, so its way too early for anybody to make some "Nicole Vaidisova" bold predictions and statements.

The 2nd Law
Feb 17th, 2011, 12:17 PM
Ana is so obviously not motivated (and not excited:p) to play tennis and compete at tournaments THIS MONTH. But to make catastrophic bold statements about future career of 23yo young player (even of this 2011 season which just started actually) is way too early and not even serious. Last season hers 1st half of season was simple terrible, but in Rome she reach SF beating such opponents like Dementieva, Azarenka, Petrova. After RG/Wimbledon back to back major disasters and fall from TOP50 things really looks so bad, but suddenly since August till end of 2010 she start to play TOP10 level tennis. I'm really shocked and confused how on Earth someone who finished 2010 season on that way can start next 2011 season such badly, but I'm not hopeless about Ana that current nightmare necessarily means total disaster about Ana Ivanovic near future. I see that something is deeply wrong with Ana on court, but I have no idea what is real reasons for that, so its way too early for anybody to make some "Nicole Vaidisova" bold predictions and statements.

I think you misunderstood me, I was just pointing out what happens to players when they have that attitude towards their career. Not predicting anything like that for Ana - but if she keeps this stuff up then it starts to look like that kind of thing.

gaviotabr
Feb 17th, 2011, 02:41 PM
It's interesting to ponder what may be in her private life, but we have no idea until something actually comes to light :lol:
I really hope Izzy, Cp6uja and Bruce are wrong though, as I'm sure they are hoping too. If Ana is no longer motivated it really is the end. Look at Vaidisova :help:

What I think is that Ana won't handle another big slumping phase. Let's have our feet on the ground. She said herself that this time last year she seriously thought about retiring. And that was the first time she was going through such tough situation. Who honestly believes she can endure it twice?

Some people were all over here and on twitter saying Ana would never even think about quitting.. well, she said herself she did. Another moment like that one might just be too much, because it carries acumulated weight. This is not the first time.. it's another time, and as that it's only more serious and worrisome.

So people will say.. I won't worry about Ana until august, when she has points to defend. This is so missing the point. Forget about last year, this is a new year. And the worst beginning of the year she has ever head.. surpasses 2009/2010 in lows by far. So if she keeps this going until august, it will come to bite her at some point, doesn't matter if she has nothing to defend and isn't going to drop out of the top 30. And then, even if she does get better and defend her points (tall order), she will, at best, keep herself in the top 30. And that is very poor by Ana's standards.. it would be another bad year, bad season, third in a row, making the very same mistakes.. would she be happy with that? I doubt it. And if she indeed is happy with that, then all she will end up being is a journeywoman. Doesn't she want to be a top player again? Don't her so-called fans want her to be a top player again? Don't they want Ana to show her true talent (that's been hidden somewhere)? Then Ana and fans should be worried and should be ready to do the right things in order to achieve that, and should see how wrong and confused she is right now.

Maybe I should try harder to understand people... because most are fans due to her personality or to her beauty. So for them.. they will support every obviously stupid decision and every interview and everything and keep faith, because all it really matters is for her to stay nice and pretty. Unfortunately (or fortunately.. who knows?), I've never been a fan because of that. I'm a fan of her tennis, and that is non existent right now. So I'll watch her matches and root for her like crazy and get pissed off if she plays like crap.. because it's all about tennis to me. And I've always hated people who let their god given talents go to waste with stupidity and sttuborness.

Ana is not 20.. she will be 24 this year.. and a 24 that carries a very heavy load. Tennis time is very short. She is letting this happen to herself a second time.. and oh so quickly.

Pops Maellard
Feb 17th, 2011, 08:25 PM
*Sigh* Awful tennis time for me ATM.

I guess you've also heard what happened with Nando the last couple of weeks. :rolleyes:

Now Ana's career on the verge of another nuclear fallout. :bigcry:

Cp6uja
Feb 17th, 2011, 10:39 PM
I think nobody mentioned so far fact that Svetlana Kuznetsova, Alisa Kleybanova and Flavia Pennetta overtake Ana this week, so she going out of TOP20 once again since monday.

gaviotabr
Feb 17th, 2011, 10:49 PM
I think nobody mentioned so far fact that Svetlana Kuznetsova, Alisa Kleybanova and Flavia Pennetta overtake Ana this week, so she going out of TOP20 once again since monday.

And she will keep falling. Hard to believe such a wasted chance.. Ana barely had points to defend in january/february and still managed to lose them.

Ana actually has 500 points to defend during clay season. That's a lot for her current play. :tape:

Ivanovic2008
Feb 18th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Come on ana win in Doha!

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 12:30 AM
Come on ana win in Doha!

She withdrew from Doha.

Pops Maellard
Feb 18th, 2011, 12:36 AM
Come on ana win in Doha!
She withdrew. :sad:

bruce goose
Feb 18th, 2011, 02:10 AM
Seriously,they are actually just friends, nothing's gone on.Nole is still very much with his GF atm.He mentioned her in some press conference in AO,can't remember what the question was and then in the speech after the final(when Ana was obviously in the stands),"dedicating the title to his family,his brothers,his girl Jelena...." There's also been pics of them together since he came back from AO. They've been together 5 years now and seem pretty solidDon't mean this in a disrespectful way...but you don't have the first clue how 'solid' Nole's relationship is with Jelena.You might be 100% right...or completely off base.What aye CAN say is that Ana and Nole are both modern Europeans--who tend to have a VERY cavalier attitude in re fidelity...in fact,both Ana and Nole have already displayed such an attitude on multiple other occasions.That being the case,Nole wouldn't have to break up with Jelena to have a fling with Ana...nor would Ana demand such a commitment,IMO.

I'll admit that I don't have any concrete evidence for this,but if you look at Ana's past you can see a clear line of demarcation even between her earlier 2008 slump period and when she had an influential,scummy guy in her life(Nando doesn't rank as influential,obviously).She's showing the EXACT same signs now as she did during the 'Golf Douchebag Era',so we can't help but wonder if the same dynamic is taking place.The only difference is that Ana outwardly seems happier now than she was back then...when her extremely-brief golf course smiles faded and depression strongly surfaced...so that makes me suspect that she has a half-decent guy instead of a lousy one....

Of course,there were lots of shit-brained reporters who couldn't see beyond the outer layer and would blurt the 'Ana seems happy' line back when she was WAGging...and maybe it's the same deal right now.We know that Ana is capable of turning on her dazzling smile in almost an instant...even when life ain't so great...so her current smiles might be more of the same....If it's NOT a guy,then there's SOMEthing else powerful,of a personal nature,that suddenly killed Ana's recently re-discovered love for tennis

Tweedle
Feb 18th, 2011, 02:53 AM
Don't mean this in a disrespectful way...but you don't have the first clue how 'solid' Nole's relationship is with Jelena.You might be 100% right...or completely off base.What aye CAN say is that Ana and Nole are both modern Europeans--who tend to have a VERY cavalier attitude in re fidelity...in fact,both Ana and Nole have already displayed such an attitude on multiple other occasions.That being the case,Nole wouldn't have to break up with Jelena to have a fling with Ana...nor would Ana demand such a commitment,IMO.

I'll admit that I don't have any concrete evidence for this,but if you look at Ana's past you can see a clear line of demarcation even between her earlier 2008 slump period and when she had an influential,scummy guy in her life(Nando doesn't rank as influential,obviously).She's showing the EXACT same signs now as she did during the 'Golf Douchebag Era',so we can't help but wonder if the same dynamic is taking place.The only difference is that Ana outwardly seems happier now than she was back then...when her extremely-brief golf course smiles faded and depression strongly surfaced...so that makes me suspect that she has a half-decent guy instead of a lousy one....

Of course,there were lots of shit-brained reporters who couldn't see beyond the outer layer and would blurt the 'Ana seems happy' line back when she was WAGging...and maybe it's the same deal right now.We know that Ana is capable of turning on her dazzling smile in almost an instant...even when life ain't so great...so her current smiles might be more of the same....If it's NOT a guy,then there's SOMEthing else powerful,of a personal nature,that suddenly killed Ana's recently re-discovered love for tennis

Oh yeah? Give an example of these supposed "multiple" occasions.Haven't the slightest idea what you're referring to

Caralenko
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:33 AM
They have been friends since they were like 4. Move on, it's not going to happen.

And I can't believe Bruce goose wrote all these essays saying Ana is a cheap Euro trash slut. :happy:

bruce goose
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:39 AM
Oh yeah? Give an example of these supposed "multiple" occasions.Haven't the slightest idea what you're referring toWell,according to a Serb poster who actually likes Nole(and I do,too,usually),he had a weekend fling a while back with a Serbian pop singer and it was commonly believed that he had an affair with that woman...the circumstances didn't offer any reasonable excuses for Nole,apparently...nor do I believe that he had a platonic relationship with Sharapova in 2008...she just isn't the type who makes "friends" with guys.I'm not saying that Big Masha is a slut,but the 'just friends' explanation is absurd in that case

Yet Nole hasn't done this as much as Ana...who has no qualms about spending intimate moments alone with married men or guys who've had steady gfs...and she went scoping for other men while she was still involved with Nando.Her first encounter with Jailhouse Bitch Adam Scott happened weeks before she announced her breakup with Verdasco....I don't feel too sorry for Nando cuz he's had a history as a sleazy playboy...but facts are facts:shrug:.I'm not saying that Ana is a whore,either;she's just a by-product of modern European,libertine culture where people use their feelings to justify pursuit of (sexual and/or relationship)satisfaction...and her parents were nothing but ice-cream purchasers for Ana,so she didn't learn any concrete values or life lessons from THEM....All things considered,we're lucky that she turned out as sweet as she did....Though,tbh,it's gonna be hard to support her tennis career if she keeps showing such disregard for her future in the sport:help:

bruce goose
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:50 AM
Forgot to add this point--though I shared it a couple times a long while ago:We've seen how impulsively and immaturely Ana handles her professional relationships with coaches...so I find it extremely hard to believe that she just magically transforms into a paradigm of integrity and common sense in her personal relationships...the likelihood of that is approximately microscopic

Tweedle
Feb 18th, 2011, 04:39 AM
Well,according to a Serb poster who actually likes Nole(and I do,too,usually),he had a weekend fling a while back with a Serbian pop singer and it was commonly believed that he had an affair with that woman...the circumstances didn't offer any reasonable excuses for Nole,apparently...nor do I believe that he had a platonic relationship with Sharapova in 2008...she just isn't the type who makes "friends" with guys.I'm not saying that Big Masha is a slut,but the 'just friends' explanation is absurd in that case

Yet Nole hasn't done this as much as Ana...who has no qualms about spending intimate moments alone with married men or guys who've had steady gfs...and she went scoping for other men while she was still involved with Nando.Her first encounter with Jailhouse Bitch Adam Scott happened weeks before she announced her breakup with Verdasco....I don't feel too sorry for Nando cuz he's had a history as a sleazy playboy...but facts are facts:shrug:.I'm not saying that Ana is a whore,either;she's just a by-product of modern European,libertine culture where people use their feelings to justify pursuit of (sexual and/or relationship)satisfaction...and her parents were nothing but ice-cream purchasers for Ana,so she didn't learn any concrete values or life lessons from THEM....All things considered,we're lucky that she turned out as sweet as she did....Though,tbh,it's gonna be hard to support her tennis career if she keeps showing such disregard for her future in the sport:help:

Just lol,I really don't know where to start with this post but I'll start with the bit in bold.You have the cheek to tell me that I know nothing about the reality of Nole's relationship with his GF but you apparantely know what values/morals Ana's parents did/did not instill in her.Am I missing something because this logic is ludicrous?

Yeah I've well heard that sh*t about the Serbian pop singer re-hashed time and time again in some of the trashiest tabloids in Serbia(and there's plenty of Serbian posters who I have spoken with who know it for what it is;rubbish).Funny, these papers never produced even one slightly incriminating picture of them,either doing anything or going anywhere,for this amazing affair that they were apparantely in the know about.They specialise in fabrication.Her husband was a famous waterpolo player and injured himself in a motorbike accident which ended his career.Novak offered some help or assistence or something at the time he was in hospital cos he was a pretty big athlete in Serbia and that's how he first knew Natasa Bekvalac and of course the media jumped on it cos they were both famous i.e let's sell some papers.FYI she's ten years older than him and married with a young kid.After Davis Cup Semi finals another singer, sang at the after-party and apparantely the very next day,they were both in love.Not Nenad or Janko or Viktor,no,even though they were all there.The frabicated story is always about Novak because he is the one that will sell the papers.Anyway basically this singer(Radmila) laughed her ass off at the suggestions in the paper saying she had barely met Novak that night.The latest big smoke from the Serbian tabloid shelves was after D.Cup finals.They noticed Jelena wasn't at the finals and immediately thought what can we make up now? They said, that according to sources very close to Nole,their relationship had been in serious trouble for some time and they had broken up a while ago,hence the no-show at D.Cup.Real version of events?She was studying for her masters and was unable to go because of that.Less than a few days after this story they were seen holidaying in Dubai leaving the tabloids blushing at their fabrication and quoting of imaginery sources lol.

Sharapova and Nole?? You think if she was having a secret fling with him(that she was going to deny) she would turn up in his box at that USO 07 final?Whatevs, she'd have kept it on the downlow but she didn't care cos there was nothing to it.She answered it best when asked."Not everything is like When Harry Met Sally(film) there is a such thing as a guy/girl friendship and trust me ,me and Novak are certainly nothing more than friends".

When asked about tabloid rumours,Novak said that the Serbian media is such that if you meet and greet anyone at whatever event and that person is famous too,suddenly there is a story about it.Said it doesn't upset him anymore and now he just laughs,said he knows the people he believes in.

Tweedle
Feb 18th, 2011, 04:46 AM
As for Ana,intimate moments with married men?? Who are you talking about?Also she broke up with Nando before she dated Adam Scott so how does this prove your point that she is pro-affairs?

Sorry to other posters for having gone ludicrously off-topic :o

bruce goose
Feb 18th, 2011, 05:44 AM
As for Ana,intimate moments with married men?? Who are you talking about?Also she broke up with Nando before she dated Adam Scott so how does this prove your point that she is pro-affairs?

Sorry to other posters for having gone ludicrously off-topic :oUmmm...no,she didn't break up with Nando before the cursed Rolex event in Dec.2008;you're simply factually wrong there...and you conveniently ignore Ana's immaturity in her professional relationships:p when desperately clinging to your beliefs like an obedient,blind Catholic would when he sees the priest alone with a very young boy.

You seem awfully defensive for someone who pretends to be sure of his theories;I openly admitted that I couldn't prove Ana and Nole were having an affair...but it's pretty stupid for you to assert as FACT that an affair would be impossible.I can accept your explanation that Nole might not have had a fling with the Serbian gal,but responsible folk manage to keep themselves above reproach....To give you a simple analogy,no newspaper would waste their time spreading a rumor that Dementieva was having an affair with Verdasco...cuz no one would swallow that...yet Nole has been implicated twice in questionable situations....yeah,maybe he's only guilty of bad timing and poor judgment,but it's the epitome of asinine for you to make a FACTUAL reality out of Masha and Nole's denials...as if those denials were proven,scientific truths:haha::haha:

The rest is pure,simple common sense:Sweet Ana has consistently shown awful judgment and a lack of wisdom,so what other conclusions should anyone draw about her no-account parents?I'm sure they love Ana a lot,but their parenting methods speak for themselves with Ana's behavior.....Let me repeat once again...and you MUST be intelligent enough to grasp this: Ana has surprisingly veered off course in neglecting her tennis even though she rediscovered it only a few months ago.YES,MAYBE NOLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT...but it's a bizarre mystery so what else can we do besides look at Ana's PREVIOUS patterns of conduct--when she went through this before--for clues???Would love to see Ana break out of this and render any speculation irrelevant

Curtos07
Feb 18th, 2011, 06:28 AM
Bruce, seriously. You have issues.

Davodus
Feb 18th, 2011, 06:59 AM
They have been friends since they were like 4. Move on, it's not going to happen.
And I can't believe Bruce goose wrote all these essays saying Ana is a cheap Euro trash slut. :happy:

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Davodus
Feb 18th, 2011, 07:13 AM
Yeah,but in a GOOD way,Curtis:angel:.You've surely noticed that I've never gotten angry with you when you disagreed with me:hug:...even when your criticism was strong.....and at least I'm more well-adjusted than Davodus who sent me a PM in which he cried like a little baby(Or weepy Federer:p) and begged me to stop teasing him...and then,when I consented to that,repaid my courtesy by trying to instigate another forum fight:lol:......Oh well,at least he likes Ana:angel: and Kim:angel: so he's not a complete,100%,limp-wristed numbnuts:)...which wouldn't be good traits for the future leader of the Aussie nation;)

When did I try to start another forum fight? I haven't even posted here for days :lol: Whatever Arnoldo.

Also, I have nothing to do with this, I don't really give a shit what Ana does in her private life. So please leave me out of it :lol:

bruce goose
Feb 18th, 2011, 07:26 AM
When did I try to start another forum fight? I haven't even posted here for days :lol: Whatever Arnoldo.

Also, I have nothing to do with this, I don't really give a shit what Ana does in her private life. So please leave me out of it :lol:You have nothing to do with it??Then why did you insert your post in the middle of it on the other page,Einstein??:haha:BOY,do I feel sorry for Australia's future intellectual climate with the current barren harvest....At least you're not weeping on your mommy's shoulder again...for NOW,at least:p,and you gave me a good laugh before I went to bed,so:hug::wavey:

Davodus
Feb 18th, 2011, 07:28 AM
You have nothing to do with it??Then why did you insert your post in the middle of it on the other page,Einstein??:haha:BOY,do I feel sorry for Australia's future intellectual climate with the current barren harvest....At least you're not weeping on your mommy's shoulder again...for NOW,at least:p,and you gave me a good laugh before I went to bed,so:hug::wavey:

She asked me to quote her post so you could see how crazy you are twice :bigwave: And I'm agreeing with her that it's ridiculous to speculate. And yet, you still didn't answer my question about when I started a 'forum fight' because that seems to be just you.

Caralenko
Feb 18th, 2011, 07:31 AM
She asked me to quote her post so you could see how crazy you are twice :bigwave: And I'm agreeing with her that it's ridiculous to speculate. And yet, you still didn't answer my question about when I started a 'forum fight' because that seems to be just you.

Keep me out of it :sobbing: but yes it was crazy.

The 2nd Law
Feb 18th, 2011, 08:43 AM
What I think is that Ana won't handle another big slumping phase. Let's have our feet on the ground. She said herself that this time last year she seriously thought about retiring. And that was the first time she was going through such tough situation. Who honestly believes she can endure it twice?

Some people were all over here and on twitter saying Ana would never even think about quitting.. well, she said herself she did. Another moment like that one might just be too much, because it carries acumulated weight. This is not the first time.. it's another time, and as that it's only more serious and worrisome.

So people will say.. I won't worry about Ana until august, when she has points to defend. This is so missing the point. Forget about last year, this is a new year. And the worst beginning of the year she has ever head.. surpasses 2009/2010 in lows by far. So if she keeps this going until august, it will come to bite her at some point, doesn't matter if she has nothing to defend and isn't going to drop out of the top 30. And then, even if she does get better and defend her points (tall order), she will, at best, keep herself in the top 30. And that is very poor by Ana's standards.. it would be another bad year, bad season, third in a row, making the very same mistakes.. would she be happy with that? I doubt it. And if she indeed is happy with that, then all she will end up being is a journeywoman. Doesn't she want to be a top player again? Don't her so-called fans want her to be a top player again? Don't they want Ana to show her true talent (that's been hidden somewhere)? Then Ana and fans should be worried and should be ready to do the right things in order to achieve that, and should see how wrong and confused she is right now.

Maybe I should try harder to understand people... because most are fans due to her personality or to her beauty. So for them.. they will support every obviously stupid decision and every interview and everything and keep faith, because all it really matters is for her to stay nice and pretty. Unfortunately (or fortunately.. who knows?), I've never been a fan because of that. I'm a fan of her tennis, and that is non existent right now. So I'll watch her matches and root for her like crazy and get pissed off if she plays like crap.. because it's all about tennis to me. And I've always hated people who let their god given talents go to waste with stupidity and sttuborness.

Ana is not 20.. she will be 24 this year.. and a 24 that carries a very heavy load. Tennis time is very short. She is letting this happen to herself a second time.. and oh so quickly.

Izzy I mostly agree with all of this, but you weren't directing that fan stuff at me were you? I don not just like Ana for her looks.

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Izzy I mostly agree with all of this, but you weren't directing that fan stuff at me were you? I don not just like Ana for her looks.

No, don't worry. I was just thinking out loud about stuff I've read around. There are things that baffle me honestly..

The 2nd Law
Feb 18th, 2011, 09:57 AM
No, don't worry. I was just thinking out loud about stuff I've read around. There are things that baffle me honestly..

Oh ok :lol:

Like what things though? I'm noticing a lot of tension in here lately?

Nikkiri
Feb 18th, 2011, 12:20 PM
Oh look Bruce forgot to take his meds again. Seriously what the fuck are you talking about and what gives you the fucking right to come in here and insult Ana, insult her fans. Why don't you piss off to some other attractive players forum and make up some more stories that involve spanking. I don't post here much but I am sick of reading such bullshit.

Tweedle
Feb 18th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Ummm...no,she didn't break up with Nando before the cursed Rolex event in Dec.2008;you're simply factually wrong there...and you conveniently ignore Ana's immaturity in her professional relationships:p when desperately clinging to your beliefs like an obedient,blind Catholic would when he sees the priest alone with a very young boy.

You seem awfully defensive for someone who pretends to be sure of his theories;I openly admitted that I couldn't prove Ana and Nole were having an affair...but it's pretty stupid for you to assert as FACT that an affair would be impossible.I can accept your explanation that Nole might not have had a fling with the Serbian gal,but responsible folk manage to keep themselves above reproach....To give you a simple analogy,no newspaper would waste their time spreading a rumor that Dementieva was having an affair with Verdasco...cuz no one would swallow that...yet Nole has been implicated twice in questionable situations....yeah,maybe he's only guilty of bad timing and poor judgment,but it's the epitome of asinine for you to make a FACTUAL reality out of Masha and Nole's denials...as if those denials were proven,scientific truths:haha::haha:

The rest is pure,simple common sense:Sweet Ana has consistently shown awful judgment and a lack of wisdom,so what other conclusions should anyone draw about her no-account parents?I'm sure they love Ana a lot,but their parenting methods speak for themselves with Ana's behavior.....Let me repeat once again...and you MUST be intelligent enough to grasp this: Ana has surprisingly veered off course in neglecting her tennis even though she rediscovered it only a few months ago.YES,MAYBE NOLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT...but it's a bizarre mystery so what else can we do besides look at Ana's PREVIOUS patterns of conduct--when she went through this before--for clues???Would love to see Ana break out of this and render any speculation irrelevant

Oh and you're sure she started dating Scott at that point in time? Cos if not,it's not an affair.I was under the impression it started in January but whatevs.Of course nobody would make a story about Verdasco and Dementieva,because it's completely idiotic,no-one would buy it.Would they make up a story about Verdasco and some model/singer? Yes of course cos it is the more traditional and plausible type of tabloid story.Would they make a story about Dementieva? No, to them,she's too boring to want to bother making up shit about.At least in British/American media etc. they get some photos.What has been so laughable about this Bekvalac story is the lack of any photos.Last Summer,Nole was on his yacht on the Montenegrin coast and "they" claimed Natasa was spotted on the yacht and they were all lovey dovey(AMAZINGLY STILL NO PHOTO THOUGH).At the same time some dude posted a video on Youtube of Nole on a Montenegrin beach playing volleyball with his brothers and GF.What with this and the breakup claims at the end of last year,it's safe to state as fact, yeah, they're just making up shit.

With regards Masha, I never said I was stating anything as fact.When you said "Masha isn't the type that just makes friends with guys" you left out an "imo" so I think you're guilty of what you are accusing me of.It is my own strong belief, that Sharapova has never fancied Nole in that way.She might have found him a bit of a laugh at the time but he's a bit dorky sometimes and from her own reactions and anything she's said,it really sounds to me that the thoughts of him and her in that way is laughable to her.I don't think he rates high enough on the looks bar for her( and no I'm not saying I can read her mind but it was a strong vibe I got off her anytime she talked about it back then)

Wozniacki talks to every guy on tour but I don't see you accusing her of sleeping with them all,or is it because her form isn't as dismal as Ana's? Or maybe you have over at her forum or maybe her parents are better and she's therfore a classier girl :shrug:

Oh by the way, for one who insults everyone else's intelligence here, the word is "I", not "Aye". "Aye" is a Scottish slang word for "Yeah"

Tweedle
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:02 PM
Just saw this bit now,coaching relationships have nothing to do with personal ones.You're looking for completely different things from them.Just cos somebody goes through a lot of coaches does not automatically assume that they would be unable to have a long term personal relationship.There isn't all that many girls on the WTA(in comparison to ATP) who have long-term relationships anyway,maybe they get more stressed and consumed by the tennis than the guys to the point of it affecting their private lives.You also conveniently ignored my question about what married men she was having intimate moments with?

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Oh ok :lol:

Like what things though? I'm noticing a lot of tension in here lately?

Like.. everything is just fine.. Ana is just fine... people who worry are crazy.. fans hating on her.. bla bla bla..

Lot's of :bs:

Anyone can go through a bad patch.. what has been happenning with Ana is long past that phase. She has sucked for more time than she was actually a good player. The end of last year was good, but how she let herself go into a funk again so easily and so fast only shows how fragile she is and how she didn't really snap out of the slump, only went through a short phase of decent play.

And what is worse.. she also went through a very short phase of lucidity but is now back to being in a complete state of confusion. Yet people are loving her latest deluded interviews. I can't understand how these people can't see that's actually bad for Ana and won't bring her any good whatsoever.

I wish I was wrong about her more often.. unfortunately, I can't recall ever being. :o Unless for negative reasons.. I actually thought Ana would get back into the top 10 this year... very difficult to happen now.. almost out of reach. Sad unfounded optimism. :sad:

I'm actually very down regarding Ana right now.. very disappointed at her. Not because of the bad play itself, but seeing her return to the bad attitude so fast. Didn't expect that.. and to know she is not doing all in her powers to actually get out of this.. it's so obvious she has no control over her emotions and until she does she won't leave that fragile state.. yet she refuses that so strongly. Like running away from it. I'm down.. just disappointed.. one can't make so many repeated bad choices and still expect respect and to do well.

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 03:29 PM
It seems Ana is in London... spending some time with Milos maybe?

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Vladiricky
Feb 18th, 2011, 06:01 PM
It seems Ana is in London... spending some time with Milos maybe?

Yes, probably. Using this time to recover :rolleyes: though I really hope she's recovering well and that her passion for tennis is not dead. But if she continues this way .... :help:

Vladiricky
Feb 18th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Like.. everything is just fine.. Ana is just fine... people who worry are crazy.. fans hating on her.. bla bla bla..

Lot's of :bs:

Anyone can go through a bad patch.. what has been happenning with Ana is long past that phase. She has sucked for more time than she was actually a good player. The end of last year was good, but how she let herself go into a funk again so easily and so fast only shows how fragile she is and how she didn't really snap out of the slump, only went through a short phase of decent play.

And what is worse.. she also went through a very short phase of lucidity but is now back to being in a complete state of confusion. Yet people are loving her latest deluded interviews. I can't understand how these people can't see that's actually bad for Ana and won't bring her any good whatsoever.

I wish I was wrong about her more often.. unfortunately, I can't recall ever being. :o Unless for negative reasons.. I actually thought Ana would get back into the top 10 this year... very difficult to happen now.. almost out of reach. Sad unfounded optimism. :sad:

I'm actually very down regarding Ana right now.. very disappointed at her. Not because of the bad play itself, but seeing her return to the bad attitude so fast. Didn't expect that.. and to know she is not doing all in her powers to actually get out of this.. it's so obvious she has no control over her emotions and until she does she won't leave that fragile state.. yet she refuses that so strongly. Like running away from it. I'm down.. just disappointed.. one can't make so many repeated bad choices and still expect respect and to do well.

That's what has been bothering me also and how can't she understand... nothing has changed. The same players (not many newcomers, and they are nothing special), the same courts. Her stubbornness is quite worring. Aggressive players need to be confidante and her attitude is so bad.

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 06:35 PM
That's what has been bothering me also and how can't she understand... nothing has changed. The same players (not many newcomers, and they are nothing special), the same courts. Her stubbornness is quite worring. Aggressive players need to be confidante and her attitude is so bad.

Exactly.. Her attitude is back into being awful. It's so frustrating to see how Ana let's herself fall into such trap so easily, after all the fight late last year. So disappointing.

I guess her first round loss at AO this year had the same effect her first round loss at USO 2009. It just made her want to push tennis away. The disappointing thing is her letting that happen one more time.. she's been through it, she should know how to avoid it. I already didn't like how she reacted to the loss in her post match presser, but her recent play and interviews only show the bad attitude is back stronger than ever. It's all in the head for Ana, and she lets it go very fast and easy, at the first opportunity. Falling like this once again is a very bad sign for the future.

I hope I'm wrong and these weeks off until IW turn something on in her head.

Edit: I want to make it clear that I'm talking strictly tennis wise.

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Yes, probably. Using this time to recover :rolleyes: though I really hope she's recovering well and that her passion for tennis is not dead. But if she continues this way .... :help:

Yeah.. yeah..

I wonder what she did after losing at AO that she came back in even worse shape, physically and mentally. Didn't she do any recovery whatsoever? She had 3 whole weeks.

Maybe she will just spend these weeks shopping.. :rolleyes:

GoofyDuck
Feb 18th, 2011, 08:42 PM
I just want her to get a great coach that can boost her mentally.. as in my opinion that is where the problems lie.

gaviotabr
Feb 18th, 2011, 08:47 PM
I just want her to get a great coach that can boost her mentally.. as in my opinion that is where the problems lie.

Yeah, it is.. but she doesn't want a coach. :tape:

Pops Maellard
Feb 18th, 2011, 08:52 PM
So sad. It was all so positive at the end of last year now it's all doom & gloom again. :sobbing:

The 2nd Law
Feb 19th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Vladiricky was just slaying in this thread :cheer:

Izzy, I can't speak for others, but it's not really in my nature to doubt those for whom I have respect, that's just not me :lol: Amazingly, I still respect Ana, and maybe I always will - even when there are times that she definately does not deserve it. I'm not saying you don't, btw. I wish I could be as perceptive as you, but I suspect a major contributing factor to my weakness in this area is my gender :p

EDIT: So when Ana says all that positive garbage in her interviews, when I am alone to interpret it I mostly accpet it :lol: I can't help this. At least I'm honest enough to admit it as a major fault of mine.

Things are dismal right now and I realise that, but despite all of the terrible signs right now I find it hard to just expect that she can't turn it around again.
It's insanely annoying though :hysteric:

Davodus
Feb 19th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Vladiricky was just slaying in this thread :cheer:

Izzy, I can't speak for others, but it's not really in my nature to doubt those for whom I have respect, that's just not me :lol: Amazingly, I still respect Ana, and maybe I always will - even when there are times that she definately does not deserve it. I'm not saying you don't, btw. I wish I could be as perceptive as you, but I suspect a major contributing factor to my weakness in this area is my gender :p

EDIT: So when Ana says all that positive garbage in her interviews, when I am alone to interpret it I mostly accpet it :lol: I can't help this. At least I'm honest enough to admit it as a major fault of mine.

Things are dismal right now and I realise that, but despite all of the terrible signs right now I find it hard to just expect that she can't turn it around again.
It's insanely annoying though :hysteric:

I think it might be, because I feel the exact same way :lol: I can't help but expect that she'll come out next tournament and play really well, even though it's like 99% likely that she won't :sad:.

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Vladiricky was just slaying in this thread :cheer:

Izzy, I can't speak for others, but it's not really in my nature to doubt those for whom I have respect, that's just not me :lol: Amazingly, I still respect Ana, and maybe I always will - even when there are times that she definately does not deserve it. I'm not saying you don't, btw. I wish I could be as perceptive as you, but I suspect a major contributing factor to my weakness in this area is my gender :p

EDIT: So when Ana says all that positive garbage in her interviews, when I am alone to interpret it I mostly accpet it :lol: I can't help this. At least I'm honest enough to admit it as a major fault of mine.

Things are dismal right now and I realise that, but despite all of the terrible signs right now I find it hard to just expect that she can't turn it around again.
It's insanely annoying though :hysteric:

She can turn it around.. and I sincerely hope she will at some point.. it's the hope that she someday wakes up and decides she really wants to be a good player again and will do whatever it takes to be one, work on her own mentality, get her eyes on the prize. It's the hope to see her play to her abilities someday that actually keeps me here. My heart hopes, even though my brain tells me it's unlikely for a real and solid transformation to happen.

But it's the fact that she let this happen again, that she fell so easily and so fast again, that she is making mistakes she has made in the past and that lead her to huge failures, that she is back into bad attitude and big funk due to the first little adversity that crossed her path, after all the fight and effort of last year, that we are going through something painful we've already been through in the past.. it's all that that have me so discouraged and disappointed. It's like going back to the scratch, having to do it all again.. and if the first little adversity is enough for her to behave like this, I can't imagine what a serious one would do. She just doesn't have the spirit or the mind of a real champion, because it's on these moments that they show themselves. And that's very frustrating and disappointing and discouraging for me, a fan of her tennis first and foremost.

Besides.. a second recovery is always harder and the fact that she showed herself so fragile might mean she will never fully make it anyway. It's so clear she needs to learn how to control her mind and emotions in order to actually become a good player again, but she runs away from it like a rat from a cat. At any adversity, and in tennis there are many all the time, she will just crumble or push it away. It's sad. :sad:

Vladiricky
Feb 19th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Vladiricky was just slaying in this thread :cheer:

Izzy, I can't speak for others, but it's not really in my nature to doubt those for whom I have respect, that's just not me :lol: Amazingly, I still respect Ana, and maybe I always will - even when there are times that she definately does not deserve it. I'm not saying you don't, btw. I wish I could be as perceptive as you, but I suspect a major contributing factor to my weakness in this area is my gender :p

EDIT: So when Ana says all that positive garbage in her interviews, when I am alone to interpret it I mostly accpet it :lol: I can't help this. At least I'm honest enough to admit it as a major fault of mine.

Things are dismal right now and I realise that, but despite all of the terrible signs right now I find it hard to just expect that she can't turn it around again.
It's insanely annoying though :hysteric:

:D

But seriously, I don't think I've been to hard on her here. It's just frustrating because it's the same pattern. She's doing the same thing all over again, as Izzy said (hope she doesn't mind me using her name since I'm new here. Could be too personal).
I also like her interviews at first and I think, oh my, she really wants to be back at the top. But then, there are no results to support her claims. And what's bothering me is how she allows herself that. I wonder what she's thinking.

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2011, 11:38 AM
:D

But seriously, I don't think I've been to hard on her here. It's just frustrating because it's the same pattern. She's doing the same thing all over again, as Izzy said (hope she doesn't mind me using her name since I'm new here. Could be too personal).
I also like her interviews at first and I think, oh my, she really wants to be back at the top. But then, there are no results to support her claims. And what's bothering me is how she allows herself that. I wonder what she's thinking.

I liked to be called Izzy! ;)

GoofyDuck
Feb 19th, 2011, 03:50 PM
So, is she gonna get a coach now or not?

Vladiricky
Feb 19th, 2011, 09:28 PM
So, is she gonna get a coach now or not?

No, she waits to hit a new low.

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2011, 09:39 PM
No, she waits to hit a new low.

Maybe she is waiting to lose in the first round of the next 4 tournaments. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2011, 09:40 PM
From Matt Cronin:

TennisReporters Matt Cronin
Ivanovic withdraws from Doha with 'continuation of abdominal prob from Australia" Not totally buying it. Update later
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

I'm with him.. let's see what he manages to find out.

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Just saw this other post:

TennisReporters Matt Cronin
@
@JagoanAdhit @SangMaitre Ana says she reinjured her ab muscle (from hopman cup). Maybe, but I think she needed mental break
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Needing a mental break this early in the season and after only 5 matches played.. awesome.. not. I hope he is not right there.. :o

jelenacg
Feb 19th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Everything i was afraid of happened .:o Some people said we are over reacting when she fired Heinz and that she won`t forget to play tennis .... well she did forget how to play tennis , again :rolleyes:
Anyway i`m so blah with all this situation ,frankly i have no intentions of going through all off this again only bc Ana and her team are such idiots

Mental break :happy:

gaviotabr
Feb 19th, 2011, 10:40 PM
Everything i was afraid of happened .:o Some people said we are over reacting when she fired Heinz and that she won`t forget to play tennis .... well she did forget how to play tennis , again :rolleyes:
Anyway i`m so blah with all this situation ,frankly i have no intentions of going through all off this again only bc Ana and her team are such idiots

Mental break :happy:

Exactly. So frustrating though.. I can't believe she is letting it all happen again so easily and so fast. :o

Tweedle
Feb 20th, 2011, 02:37 AM
Just saw this other post:



Needing a mental break this early in the season and after only 5 matches played.. awesome.. not. I hope he is not right there.. :o

He also posted this later:

"Just heard Ivanovic is getting daily treatment 4 injury. I still think she needed mental break though. Been on road almost 8 weeks"

Pops Maellard
Feb 20th, 2011, 03:20 AM
She said herself that this time last year she seriously thought about retiring.


I didn't know that. :scared:

gaviotabr
Feb 20th, 2011, 12:34 PM
He also posted this later:

"Just heard Ivanovic is getting daily treatment 4 injury. I still think she needed mental break though. Been on road almost 8 weeks"

Yes, just saw the posts now:

Matt Cronin
TennisReporters Matt Cronin

@Curtos07 Just heard Ivanovic is getting daily treatment 4 injury. I still think she needed mental break though. Been on road almost 8 weeks
12 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

TennisReporters Matt Cronin

@Curtos07 Ana should be OK by Indian Wells. Will head to the US to train on the West Coast first
12 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply


I'm sure she has the injury.. but I still think the pull out has much more into it. And I hope it's not mental burn.. even if she was on the road for 8 weeks, she only played 5 matches.. then again, the way she let's herself fall once again so easily makes you think it might be it.

I do wonder what kind of treatment she received in the 3 weeks off she had after AO that she came back in Pattaya, supposedly healthy, but playing like crap. Or maybe her drop in level of play simply has nothing to do with the injury and everything with her mentality.

I guess she will train in San Diego before going to IW once again.

gaviotabr
Feb 20th, 2011, 12:36 PM
I didn't know that. :scared:

It was in a series of articles that came out just before AO. She said after AO/Fed Cup 2010 she seriously considered dropping tennis and turning her focus into studying. I don't think she can take another moment like that and persist on tennis, honestly.

gaviotabr
Feb 20th, 2011, 11:04 PM
Ana is on the entry list for Stuttgart. If she indeed plays, she would have only 3 weeks off from IW to Wimbledon. But that's all hypothetical.. she can always pull out, like this week.

Vladiricky
Feb 21st, 2011, 10:28 AM
Ana is on the entry list for Stuttgart. If she indeed plays, she would have only 3 weeks off from IW to Wimbledon. But that's all hypothetical.. she can always pull out, like this week.

Sure, but she hasn't played much and who knows what is going to happen in Rome. Is Stuttgart added? I think it wasn't in her schedule.

gaviotabr
Feb 21st, 2011, 11:22 AM
Sure, but she hasn't played much and who knows what is going to happen in Rome. Is Stuttgart added? I think it wasn't in her schedule.

It hasn't been added. There is a list of players in the Stuttgart website and Ana is in it. But nothing from Ana's camp yet.

http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/web/english-current_players

Ana actually has a lot of points to defend during the clay season: 500 points.

Ivanovic2008
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:52 PM
Please Ana win some matches!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ivanovic2008
Feb 25th, 2011, 04:54 PM
So much points to defend! She barely had any to defend in january and febuary and she still didn't :sad: