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Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:45 AM
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Q. Do you sympathize at all with Wozniacki and maybe Safina coming to the No. 1 ranking without a Grand Slam and all the questions that they face?

JUSTINE HENIN: It's not that easy. Of course we wish that to be No. 1 you have to win Grand Slams. I think ‑ as I was thinking about that in the last few days ‑ if I have to remember something, it wasn't really that I was the best player in the world, but it's all the Grand Slams I won. That's what gives really the emotions.

So of course they have been very consistent, not injured, so they could play. Wozniacki is still very young. Safina has been in trouble. Jankovic I think played a lot and also has been tired from that at a certain time of her career.

But I wish them to win Grand Slams because they will feel the difference. When I became No. 1, I was so happy because it was in 2003. I did win the French, US Open that year, and I think it was big accomplishment, the dream of a little girl to be the best in the world.

But the feelings you get at the second you win a Grand Slam, yeah, winning a Grand Slam, it's seven matches, two weeks, it's the hardest, I think. Serena proved that many times as she, you know, didn't play a lot, but in the big moments she was there. And I think it's the most important

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2011-01-17/201101171295264196657.html

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I think it puts into perspective some of the comments that Wozniacki made about being #1 without a Slam.

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:50 AM
LOL @ Justine talking about Serena although she is not even here nor mentioned by the journalist. :rolls:
Juju&Sarin = BFFs.

Anyway, she is spot on, nothing really new here :shrug: I am sure Wozniacki agrees. At least Henin didn't badmouth Wozniacki, and said she was still very young.

And she knows what she is talking about, she misses that special feeling... she regrets not to have enjoyed it more in the past, now she doesn't win Slams as often as she used to do.

thegreendestiny
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:50 AM
Well, No. Caroline is not bothered at all.

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Shut up Christine, Caro has nothing to prove to you. :ras::lol:

Mightymirza
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:56 AM
Juju is really obsessed with Sarin :lol: She always says nice things abt her in every interview and still Rena fans dont like her :sad: Anyways I am sure WozWoz also wanted to be no 1 by winning slams but it dint happen that way.. Shes still number one though!

joão.
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:57 AM
So of course they have been very consistent, not injured, so they could play. :lol:

TennisFan66
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:58 AM
There isn't anything controversial in what Justine is saying. Despite the OP's attempt with his 'pick out the words and put them back in order as I want to' head line.

Craving for attention much?

Mightymirza
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:59 AM
There isn't anything controversial in what Justine is saying. Despite the OP's attempt with his 'pick out the words and put them back in order as I want to' head line.

:lol: :yeah: The Serena comment seems to be the main motivation for the thread :lol:

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:01 AM
Juju is really obsessed with Sarin :lol: She always says nice things abt her in every interview and still Rena fans dont like her :sad: Anyways I am sure WozWoz also wanted to be no 1 by winning slams but it dint happen that way.. Shes still number one though!

I know right ! :lol:
She often says Serena is one of the best ever or something :tape:

Nice try Reetard.

Daniel K
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:01 AM
I love how thread-starters make up quotes for their titles on this forum :lol:

Serenus Christ
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:02 AM
justine gives so much love to serena..
if only serena gave it back

(insert 'i'm not justine' gif)

Dazza01
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:03 AM
I blame media for the slow demise of these slamless No. 1's.

They realise this particular topic has a detrimental effect on these young women's... and Jankovic's... psyche, but they refuse to back away from the topic.

I wish players would just shut down the issue on the journalists.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:04 AM
Juju is really obsessed with Sarin :lol: She always says nice things abt her in every interview and still Rena fans dont like her :sad: Anyways I am sure WozWoz also wanted to be no 1 by winning slams but it dint happen that way.. Shes still number one though!
This is all lip service.....we know what is in her cold black heart.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:06 AM
There isn't anything controversial in what Justine is saying.

Did I say anything about it being controversial or hateful anywhere?

As far as I know 'General Messages' is for any interesting player-related news aimed towards more than just one particular fanbase.

Betten
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:10 AM
This is all lip service.....we know what is in her cold black heart.

Cold Cold Heart

I've tried so hard my dear to show
That you're my every dream
Yet you're afraid each thing I do
Is just some evil scheme

A memory from your lonesome past
Keeps us so far apart
Why can't I free your doubtful mind
And melt your cold cold heart

Justine :tears:

TennisFan66
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:12 AM
:lol: :yeah: The Serena comment seems to be the main motivation for the thread :lol:

Yeah, you may be right. Maybe he can fake another headline :lol:

athake
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:13 AM
eek u changed the title for more attention and catfight, if not works again maybe u should change it to "Henin on Wozniacki : unless u win a slam u cant be a real number 1"

if not works too then "Henin on Wozniacki : caro is shit, being a slamless number 1 is shit as hell"

miserable, how old r u?

danieln1
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:13 AM
She should just shut up Caroline didnt choose to be number 1 without the slam, its all the rankings failure...

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:16 AM
eek u changed the title for more attention and catfight, if not works again maybe u should change it to "Henin on Wozniacki : unless u win a slam u cant be a real number 1"

if not works too then "Henin on Wozniacki : caro is shit, being a slamless number 1 is shit as hell"

miserable, how old r u?

Justine said 'Of course we wish that to be No. 1 you have to win Grand Slams'

Thats the title, nothing 'made up'.

Mynarco
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Justine and Sarin are BFF :eek:? WHAT?

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:17 AM
She should just shut up Caroline didnt choose to be number 1 without the slam, its all the rankings failure...

:weirdo:
Have you even read the interview?
She even said Caro was very young and that she wishes her to win one someday.

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Justine said 'Of course we wish that to be No. 1 you have to win Grand Slams'

Thats the title, nothing 'made up'.

You forgot that "we wish" which makes a HUGE difference.

homogenius
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:18 AM
:yawn:

Safe-From-Harm
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:19 AM
If those big players with GS continue to talk about this, I'll become a Wozniacki fan.
We just need to hear Federer once more and his judging and then I can die in peace.
But journalist are fault for everything. :lol:

Kworb
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:19 AM
Amazing insight by Justine.

mariavikafan
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Where is she talking about Serena, what did she say?

TennisFan66
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:20 AM
You forgot that "we wish" which makes a HUGE difference.

Agree and so will anyone with just a basic grasp of the English language. But maybe reetards first language isn't English, so we should make excuses for him.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:21 AM
I cannot fit that entire interview in the title now, can I?

But maybe reetards first language isn't English, so we should make excuses for him.

As a Wozniacki fan you should be good at that :yeah:

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Where is she talking about Serena, what did she say?

(...)

But the feelings you get at the second you win a Grand Slam, yeah, winning a Grand Slam, it's seven matches, two weeks, it's the hardest, I think. Serena proved that many times as she, you know, didn't play a lot, but in the big moments she was there. And I think it's the most important


^^

young_gunner913
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Justine obviously wants Schiavone to be #1. :worship:

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:23 AM
I cannot fit that entire interview in the title now, can I?



As a Wozniacki fan you should be good at that :yeah:

You have changed the thread title, the older one was better.

BepaMaria
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:25 AM
Justine is absolutely right.

Vikapower
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Justine is right on Caro and very wrong on Serena (...) it's an obsession for players to give Serena all qualities, all talents (...) for nothing. :help: It's not because you say Serena is the best ever that she'll forgive you on the courts !? :lol: Futhermore Justine before you greet a rival that so beautifully please watch her play more that'd prevent humiliation.

vejh
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:26 AM
I blame media for the slow demise of these slamless No. 1's.

They realise this particular topic has a detrimental effect on these young women's... and Jankovic's... psyche, but they refuse to back away from the topic.

I wish players would just shut down the issue on the journalists.

I agree whole-heartedly!! The media build up these up and comers and so cruelly eat away at them. I do wish players like Ju and all those that are asked this question just realize this and refrain from commenting.

mariavikafan
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:28 AM
^^

Ok thanks.

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Justine is right on Caro and very wrong on Serena (...) it's an obsession for players to give Serena all qualities, all talents (...) for nothing. :help: It's not because you say Serena is the best ever that she'll forgive you on the courts !? :lol: Futhermore Justine before you greet a rival that so beautifully please watch her play more that'd prevent humiliation.

Errrr, Justine is one of Serena's greatest rivals. :lol: It is not a one-sided rivalry for Serena, so it is okay.

And why do you say that (the bolded part) ? :lol:

mariavikafan
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:31 AM
Justine is right on Caro and very wrong on Serena (...) it's an obsession for players to give Serena all qualities, all talents (...) for nothing. :help: It's not because you say Serena is the best ever that she'll forgive you on the courts !? :lol: Futhermore Justine before you greet a rival that so beautifully please watch her play more that'd prevent humiliation.

Oh please, players know that! even Maria says good things about Serena(who clearly hates her) but on courts, that's not going to change they have to bring the fierce attitude, plus they said many times Serena is a great fighter so obviously they know what to expect against her on court.

Noctis
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:35 AM
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Bitch' I am Serena's BBFl

Vikapower
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:42 AM
Errrr, Justine is one of Serena's greatest rivals. :lol: It is not a one-sided rivalry for Serena, so it is okay.

And why do you say that (the bolded part) ? :lol:
It's obvious, no ? :lol:

Oh please, players know that! even Maria says good things about Serena(who clearly hates her) but on courts, that's not going to change they have to bring the fierce attitude, plus they said many times Serena is a great fighter so obviously they know what to expect against her on court.

It's exactly what I'm saying : for nothing they always lick Serena left and right for somekind of love but she hate them all (...) a shame - for instance you'll never hear Serena say anything good about any players e.g. Justine than herself. :lol:

Mightymirza
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:47 AM
It's obvious, no ? :lol:



It's exactly what I'm saying : for nothing they always lick Serena left and right for somekind of love but she hate them all (...) a shame - for instance you'll never hear Serena say anything good about any players e.g. Justine than herself. :lol:

Serena always says good things about Justine in her interviews.. But only when asked though.. :tape: Juju is bit over the top with Serena adulation :lol:

Mary Cherry.
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Henin on Wozniacki: Ah who gives a shit what I say, TF will just twist it so their faves look good anyway.

Alejandrawrrr
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:54 AM
I don't even see why there's any discussion. Henin was asked the question and said what most people are thinking. And it's not like she said "That little b**** is #1 without any slams, but we all know who the real #1 is >:o" She said that she hopes Woz wins in the future, or something along those lines. And obviously she mentioned Rena only because Rena is considered by most(If not all) To be the GOAT of this Era. When a slamless #1 is brought up, people almost always bring up Serena as the more deserving player. She wouldn't have mentioned her if she were tied with Justine at 7, for example.

¤CharlDa¤
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:58 AM
It's not like Caro asked to be number 1 without a GS. It happened, and Henin is right in saying that being number 1 and winning a GS is a total different thing nowadays.

No Caro bitching at all.

Claycourter
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:00 PM
Shut up Christine, Caro has nothing to prove to you. :ras::lol:

Maybe you should show some respect you clueless fanboy. Justine has far more knowledge and experience than some armchair tennis analyst posting on forums. :zzz:

Ellery
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:02 PM
Juju :inlove: Beautifully said.

дalex
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:03 PM
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brickhousesupporter
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:03 PM
It's obvious, no ? :lol:



It's exactly what I'm saying : for nothing they always lick Serena left and right for somekind of love but she hate them all (...) a shame - for instance you'll never hear Serena say anything good about any players e.g. Justine than herself. :lol:
You hate it that players recognize the greatness of Serena. The greatness that you are too blind to see.:lol:

Noctis
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:05 PM
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Dont get involve Empress. You cant afford to

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Maybe you should show some respect you clueless fanboy. Justine has far more knowledge and experience than some armchair tennis analyst posting on forums. :zzz:

He was joking.

Geertvg
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:08 PM
What she said is right.

AnywhereButHome
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:10 PM
Great interview!!! Justine is a classy woman ;) !!! :yeah:

adam_ads_n
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:16 PM
This is what I call the misleading thread title!

mariavikafan
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:16 PM
It's exactly what I'm saying : for nothing they always lick Serena left and right for somekind of love but she hate them all (...) a shame - for instance you'll never hear Serena say anything good about any players e.g. Justine than herself. :lol:

Agree but I meant they don't expect Serena to say nice things about them, it's Serena they know her.:lol:

brickhousesupporter
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:17 PM
You forgot that "we wish" which makes a HUGE difference.
No difference whatsoever......
.wish


–verb (used with object) 1. to want; desire; long for (usually fol. by an infinitive or a clause): I wish to travel. I wish that it were morning.

2. to desire (a person or thing) to be (as specified): to wish the problem settled.

So lets substiture want and desire for wish, shall we......

Of course we want that to be No. 1 you have to win Grand Slams.

Of course we desire that to be No. 1 you have to win Grand Slams.

Justine is saying that is the way it should be, but it is not.

дalex
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:22 PM
I think that with Caroline, it's not so much about being slamless, it's the quality of her tennis. I mean, no one seriously doubts Jelena's tennis skills. When she was a contender she had to play all the greats and sometimes she was even close to winning some of those great matches, but she obviously lacked champion's mentality. The other issue is that last season all the other big names were either in a slump or injured for great portion of the season (Serena, Justine, Venus, Jelena, Ana, Dinara, Sveta...). Caroline did well to emerge as a #1, but her unattractive tennis combined with her inability to win against the big names of the sport is what brings out this criticism. Hardly her fault though, so all this bitching from the media is quite useless and maybe even unfair IMO.

shap_half
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:29 PM
It's not like Caro asked to be number 1 without a GS. It happened, and Henin is right in saying that being number 1 and winning a GS is a total different thing nowadays.

No Caro bitching at all.

THat's what I reckon is the point of what she said. She mainly touched on the emotions she felt when she achieved both getting to number 1 and winning a slam.

Betten
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:32 PM
No difference whatsoever... (...) Justine is saying that is the way it should be, but it is not.

I think she meant 'wish' in the sense of: ideally, the world number one player would also win slams. That's not the case right now, but she wishes that they would win GS because, from her own experience, winning a GS is a very different, more fulfilling experience than getting a different number next to your name on a list. She's just saying winning a GS is fantastic and hopes that the slamless number ones will win one, one day.

silverwhite
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:37 PM
I don't think the thread title is that misleading, actually. If you read Justine's full response, that's what she means even though she might not have said it explicitly and worded like that.

TuxedoSlam
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Straight forward answer from Justine without being negative towards Caroline. Well said.

hablo
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:42 PM
I don't think the thread title is that misleading, actually. If you read Justine's full response, that's what she means even though she might not have said it explicitly and worded like that.

Exactly.

Serenita
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:42 PM
Just saying what everyone is thinking :shrug:

Mistress of Evil
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:46 PM
Henin :hearts:

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:56 PM
I think that with Caroline, it's not so much about being slamless, it's the quality of her tennis. I mean, no one seriously doubts Jelena's tennis skills. When she was a contender she had to play all the greats and sometimes she was even close to winning some of those great matches, but she obviously lacked champion's mentality. The other issue is that last season all the other big names were either in a slump or injured for great portion of the season (Serena, Justine, Venus, Jelena, Ana, Dinara, Sveta...). Caroline did well to emerge as a #1, but her unattractive tennis combined with her inability to win against the big names of the sport is what brings out this criticism. Hardly her fault though, so all this bitching from the media is quite useless and maybe even unfair IMO.

Justine said late 2007 that she was sure Jaja would win Slams because she was so talented :awww: That's why she is disappointed to see she has not won some yet. And she is right, JaJa has the talent and the game to win one Slam at least.

And the thread is misleading in a way where we could think Justine is bashing Caro because of her lack of Slam, but if we read the whole text, we read that she doesn't bash her at all, but thinks winning Slams is something really above #1 spot and wishes Caro to live that experience.

TheHangover
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:02 PM
she HAD to say something after seeing wozniacki trying to hit a decent volley in yesterday's exhibition, she was atrocious, the linesman played better, worst number one EVER

Claycourter
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:07 PM
she HAD to say something after seeing wozniacki trying to hit a decent volley in yesterday's exhibition, she was atrocious, the linesman played better, worst number one EVER

Caro will prove herself yet :rocker2:

As soon as Masha and Lady Jaja retire, she'll go on a slam winning spree.

new-york
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:09 PM
Of course, we all wish.

They all do.

Spring Pools
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:15 PM
LOL @ Justine talking about Serena although she is not even here nor mentioned by the journalist. :rolls:
Juju&Sarin = BFFs.

Anyway, she is spot on, nothing really new here :shrug: I am sure Wozniacki agrees. At least Henin didn't badmouth Wozniacki, and said she was still very young.

And she knows what she is talking about, she misses that special feeling... she regrets not to have enjoyed it more in the past, now she doesn't win Slams as often as she used to do.

I think it's nice that Juju is saying nice things about Serena. It shows how much respect she has for Serena. Is it me, or is she interviewing better now? I don't think the Justine of old would have been as courteous to Woz and the others.

Claycourter
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:28 PM
I think it's nice that Juju is saying nice things about Serena. It shows how much respect she has for Serena. Is it me, or is she interviewing better now? I don't think the Justine of old would have been as courteous to Woz and the others.

That's actually bad. I loved the feisty Justine who didn't respect anyone. She was such a cutie :hearts:

Apoleb
Jan 17th, 2011, 02:03 PM
Yes Justine, mop the floor with her. :hearts:

RenaSlam.
Jan 17th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Love it, JuJu.

n1_and_uh_noone
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:12 PM
:haha: at the original title. Read in the context of the entire interview, Justine says that players wish to win Slams and get to no. 1, but they can end up doing so based on strong season-long play. She also says they have time, and hopes they do win Slams. Seriously, I am taken aback (in a pleasant way) at Justine saying such a thing, very nicely put :yeah: !

I am reminded of this time when I read a review of a godawful movie, with statements like "I would be lying if I said I like it", and some media blurb used the quote "I LIKE it!" with the critic's name :lol:

pov
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:12 PM
http://i54.tinypic.com/2zr47f4.jpg

But the feelings you get at the second you win a Grand Slam, yeah, winning a Grand Slam, it's seven matches, two weeks, it's the hardest, I think. Serena proved that many times as she, you know, didn't play a lot, but in the big moments she was there. And I think it's the most important



Ridiculous. 5 matches in 5 days is a lot harder than 7 matches in 14 days. At least Nadal knows and speaks of that. The majors have the prestige which many players get unnerved by.

AcesHigh
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:18 PM
So suddenly justine isnt a liar and cheat anymore? :lol:

brickhousesupporter
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:19 PM
Ridiculous. 5 matches in 5 days is a lot harder than 7 matches in 14 days. At least Nadal knows and speaks of that. The majors have the prestige which many players get unnerved by.
When people continue to speak they sometimes cancell themselves out. If they unnerve themselves, then it is harder to win a slam. :lol:
If it was easier everyone would win them.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:21 PM
So suddenly justine isnt a liar and cheat anymore? :lol:
Thanks for your non contribution........

I remain steady with my opinions about Henin. See my above posts. The two are not mutually exclusive. Someone can be a liar and a cheater and speak the truth sometimes. You kow that but you just wanted to contribute your nonsense to the thread.

AcesHigh
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Thanks for your non contribution........

I remain steady with my opinions about Henin. See my above posts. The two are not mutually exclusive. Someone can be a liar and a cheater and speak the truth sometimes. You kow that but you just wanted to contribute your nonsense to the thread.

Well there's definitely enough nonsense here. Not much constructive going on

n1_and_uh_noone
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:23 PM
So suddenly justine isnt a liar and cheat anymore? :lol:

IKR? Obviously the forum is feasting on this and glorifying Justine simply to bash Caro still further, while some Caro fans diss Justine for saying something she never did in the first place. What's new? :rolleyes:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:24 PM
Thanks for your non contribution........

I remain steady with my opinions about Henin. See my above posts. The two are not mutually exclusive. Someone can be a liar and a cheater and speak the truth sometimes. You kow that but you just wanted to contribute your nonsense to the thread.

ooo snatched!

it-girl
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:26 PM
Sadly the ranking system is designed for quantity not quality but most people do not associate the #1 player as being the best tennis player because she still has much to prove. Serena Williams is the only player worthy of the #1 spot to give it true meaning as the best player in the world.

miffedmax
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:27 PM
Whatever. Everyone knows the Olympics are more important than slams anyway.

Meanwhile, am I the only one who sees a certain irony in the woman whose "retirement" opened the door for this whole parade of faux number ones sitting around kvetching about a slamless #1?

tennisbum79
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:34 PM
I agree with Justine.

There is only so many times you can spin the "she is consistent, so she deserves the No 1".
After awhile, is the player in question does not win a GS, the agrument looses its bite.

Nicolás89
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:46 PM
So much hatred in this thread. How these people even make it through the day with all the hate? Poor souls.

Temperenka
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:52 PM
It would be so cool if Caroline beat her in the quarters.

Smitten
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:53 PM
She feels that the validity and act of winning a slam is "most important" and it is the thing she remembers most.

VikingTennisFan
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Isn't this whole abberation of players becoming no 1 without grand slams largely caused by the fact that the supposed no 1 can't be asked to play for half the year?
So, ok, right now she is injured which makes it worse, but still.

An automated ranking system that involves no human judgement is surely the only fair way of doing this. And grand slams are already worth twice as much as the next tournament down. Even though grand slams are the big tournaments everyone cares about, you can't devalue the rest of the tour too much. Grand slams can't be on their own, you need a main tour as well for lots of very obvious reasons.

So sure, it would be nice if no 1's won grand slams, but can anyone suggest a fair system that required that to be the case?

(and I'm not trying to knock Serena, I love her)

tennisbum79
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:04 PM
So suddenly justine isnt a liar and cheat anymore? :lol:
Nobody ever said she cheats and lies in everything she says.

You must admit she is not the only one thinking this way.

Federer said something along the same line, there have been several thread about this topic throughout the years dating back to Hingis final years.
So this is not something new.

And by Justine quote, there does not seem to be any malice intended.
She is puting herself in wozniacki's shoes and feels some sympathy because winning a GS while No 1 is a wish for anybody holding the number 1 ranking.

Apoleb
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:08 PM
Isn't this whole abberation of players becoming no 1 without grand slams largely caused by the fact that the supposed no 1 can't be asked to play for half the year?
So, ok, right now she is injured which makes it worse, but still.

An automated ranking system that involves no human judgement is surely the only fair way of doing this. And grand slams are already worth twice as much as the next tournament down. Even though grand slams are the big tournaments everyone cares about, you can't devalue the rest of the tour too much. Grand slams can't be on their own, you need a main tour as well for lots of very obvious reasons.

So sure, it would be nice if no 1's won grand slams, but can anyone suggest a fair system that required that to be the case?

(and I'm not trying to knock Serena, I love her)

Good points, but let's not forget that the only reason Pushniacki is here is because Serena is injured.. And she plays a ton amount of tournaments. It's true, the entire tour is responsible for this situation.. so the lack of a "credible" #1 player reflects on everyone. And it's also true that without a slam, and not even a slam final within the last year...


Wozniacki is pretty much an impostor there and easily the worst #1 in history. She knows it and everyone knows it.

The Dawntreader
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:17 PM
There's gradually an awakening happening amongst the rest of Wozniacki's peers. I don't think they realised how farcical the situation was until now, and presumably they've all stopped treating it so lightly.

With Safina, Jankovic reaching the latter stages of Slams, justifying their elevated positions with elite wins, the threat was a valid one. I don't think any player be it Serena, Justine, Venus, Clijsters etc, views Wozniacki as any kind of opposition at all.

ocarena
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:19 PM
meh Wozniacki only has to prove herself here. Unlike Safina and Jankovic who were clearly overranked Caro is still young and can prove herself worthy of the #1 ranking. She has to do that here though. She can't crash out of the AO and somehow still hold the #1 ranking.

matty
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:24 PM
There isn't anything controversial in what Justine is saying. Despite the OP's attempt with his 'pick out the words and put them back in order as I want to' head line.

Craving for attention much?

I agree with Justine--I would rather win a slam or 2. I think it's harder to make that 7 match run and peak at a slam. No discredit to Woz, Safina and JJ, but players are remembered for their slams--just ask Hingis.

AcesHigh
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Good points, but let's not forget that the only reason Pushniacki is here is because Serena is injured.. And she plays a ton amount of tournaments. It's true, the entire tour is responsible for this situation.. so the lack of a "credible" #1 player reflects on everyone. And it's also true that without a slam, and not even a slam final within the last year...


Wozniacki is pretty much an impostor there and easily the worst #1 in history. She knows it and everyone knows it.

I don't think so. Caro earned her spot... she wasn't gifted it like Ivanovic and Jankovic.

Secondly, Caro isn't there because Serena is injured. Caro is there b/c no one else in the last 52 weeks has done anything to earn the #1 position.
I'm curious.. when did Caro take a lead in the race last year?

homogenius
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:28 PM
I agree with Justine--I would rather win a slam or 2. I think it's harder to make that 7 match run and peak at a slam. No discredit to Woz, Safina and JJ, but players are remembered for their slams--just ask Hingis.

In the same time, many (multiple)slam winners are barely remembered or discussed at all.

AcesHigh
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:36 PM
In the same time, many (multiple)slam winners are barely remembered or discussed at all.

And Lindsay Davenport despite only 3 slams will be remembered for all her other accomplishments. Same for Hingis. She isn't remembered for her slams mostly but her dominance in all facets of the game.

harloo
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:45 PM
It would be so cool if Caroline beat her in the quarters.
If Caroline defeated Justine in the qtrs and continued on to win the title everyone would stop questioning her. The ranking system is indeed corrupt and rewards quantity over quality which is why we've had so many slamless #1 players.

As much as I like Caroline the elephant in the room will NEVER go away until she hoists a Grand Slam Trophy over her head. SHE HAS TO WIN A SLAM as the #1 player otherwise people will continue to see her as a joke.

She's a really good player and her mental fortitude is awesome but game wise she needs to improve drastically. What I hate about the current ranking system is that it gives younger players a false sense of confidence. Instead of rewarding the amount of tournaments these girls play give them extra points for beating top contenders.

In other words, BRING BACK QUALITY POINTS and we'll see who's worthy of being in the top 10.

justineheninfan
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:47 PM
The various times Henin was ranked #1 she was winning slams and legitimately the best player in the World. Unlike Wozniacki who cant win slams and who nobody believes is currently the best player in the World.

homogenius
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:48 PM
And Lindsay Davenport despite only 3 slams will be remembered for all her other accomplishments. Same for Hingis. She isn't remembered for her slams mostly but her dominance in all facets of the game.

Yes and I had in mind someone like Goolagong (7 slams ?), barely mentionned in any discussion or Mandlikova who is remembered for the beauty of her game more than for her 4 slams etc...
Same goes on the men side : tennis fans remember Mecir, Rios, Leconte (and Nalbandian will fall in this category too)cause of their game/personality despite the lack of a slam win.On the other hand, a lot of slam winners have been forgotten.
Winning a slam (or several ones)is great but it's not the end of all things imo.

Roookie
Jan 17th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Preach it Justine!....getting to number one is worthless when you have no slam under your belt. Players know it...It doesn't matter how hard some TF posters try to think otherwise.

treufreund
Jan 17th, 2011, 06:10 PM
When asked about Caroline in another interview, Justine said that Caroline is a very smart player. Now in this interview, she says she wished to see Caroline, Dinara and Jelena win a slam because it's a great feeling. She is complimentary towards Serena. Yeah I can see how this makes her just an awful person. :rolleyes:

It's hard for me to be shocked by any level of childishness or stupidity on this board but this really takes the cake. It's incomprehensible!

terjw
Jan 17th, 2011, 06:24 PM
meh Wozniacki only has to prove herself here. Unlike Safina and Jankovic who were clearly overranked Caro is still young and can prove herself worthy of the #1 ranking. She has to do that here though. She can't crash out of the AO and somehow still hold the #1 ranking.

There was nothing wrong or undeserved about Dinara or JJ getting the #1 ranking. They were all worthy of the #1 by getting to #1. Hopefully Caro will win a slam but whatever Caro does in the future - she was worthy of it.

Anyway Justine said she wishes them to get a slam. Nothing about them not being worthy without a slam.

Vikapower
Jan 17th, 2011, 06:57 PM
meh Wozniacki only has to prove herself here. Unlike Safina and Jankovic who were clearly overranked Caro is still young and can prove herself worthy of the #1 ranking. She has to do that here though. She can't crash out of the AO and somehow still hold the #1 ranking.

Yes, the only thing that works for Caro Woz is her age but as she keeps glorifying herself as a pusher, an ultimate pusher then her game doesn't progress and she satisfies in her superior passivity (...)

Now when her game'll start sucking and by the time she realizes what she needs to do, girls who already have game will have taken big steps in between (mental, physical...) and Sunshine Caro will be late and still the talentless pusher or ballbasher e.g. USO 2009 vs. Vera we see or have seen (...) she just doesn't have these natural tennis skills.

In other words Caro isn't/willn't be able to proove something not only because of her enormous limitations and the big 4 but also because of the young natural talents out there who still haven't made their statements yet.

LightWarrior
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:12 PM
And Lindsay Davenport despite only 3 slams will be remembered for all her other accomplishments. Same for Hingis. She isn't remembered for her slams mostly but her dominance in all facets of the game.

About Lindsay, what other "accomplishments" ? She's mostly considered as an underachiever who should have won at least 3 more slams.
As for Hingis, she won 5 slams from 1997 through 1999 and thus truly deserved to be #1.
You sound almost as if winning slams is irrelevant if you have talent, which is really stupid. Do you really believe Hingis would be remembered had she not won slams ? :help:

BlameSerena
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Well someone has to make a stir in Sarin's absence. I suppose JH will do :lol:. I really don't care what she has to say. She has a right to her opinion, which I think most people think the #1 should have a slam :shrug:. JH probably needs to worry more about her next opponent than Woz's ranking though..just saying.

moby
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:30 PM
Justine is obviously throwing shade on CockroachKim being the first slamless #1 ever. :hearts:

Apoleb
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:39 PM
I don't think so. Caro earned her spot... she wasn't gifted it like Ivanovic and Jankovic.



:spit:

She reached #1 at the end of a year where she didn't reach a single slam final. Forget about winning slams.. she wasn't even in contention - if I want to stretch it, she probably threatened at the USO. If that isn't pitiful, I don't know what is.

And I don't think slams are "everything", but surely they weigh enough to make the current #1 status completely incredible.

vixter
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:44 PM
About Lindsay, what other "accomplishments" ? She's mostly considered as an underachiever who should have won at least 3 more slams.
As for Hingis, she won 5 slams from 1997 through 1999 and thus truly deserved to be #1.
You sound almost as if winning slams is irrelevant if you have talent, which is really stupid. Do you really believe Hingis would be remembered had she not won slams ? :help:

Lindsay was number 1 in the world in singles and doubles at the same time. She won over 50 WTA singles titles. Everyone will remember her for the timing she had in her clean, effortless strokes.
With Hingis she was number 1 for the whole of 2001 without being a contender for slams anymore. That created some talk about ranking system.

A player can be remembered for more things than just slams is the only point being made, I think.

Apoleb
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:46 PM
How many non-slam winners are remembered for their tennis? Hell, even Kournikova will still be remembered. People are fooling themselves.

vixter
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Well someone has to make a stir in Sarin's absence. I suppose JH will do :lol:. I really don't care what she has to say. She has a right to her opinion, which I think most people think the #1 should have a slam :shrug:. JH probably needs to worry more about her next opponent than Woz's ranking though..just saying.

I think it's concluded that there was no stir to begin with. Don't think she worries about anyone's ranking. :shrug:

BlameSerena
Jan 17th, 2011, 07:52 PM
^^8 pages is a stir. Whatever she said, people are talking about it and the commies.

debby
Jan 17th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Ridiculous. 5 matches in 5 days is a lot harder than 7 matches in 14 days. At least Nadal knows and speaks of that. The majors have the prestige which many players get unnerved by.

Lol what ? Since when Sydney is more valuable than the Australian Open? You are joking, right ? Players just don't play the same in Slams, that's why it is wayy harder to win a Slam. :weirdo: And you have to remain focused for 14 days, which is long.

Sadly the ranking system is designed for quantity not quality but most people do not associate the #1 player as being the best tennis player because she still has much to prove. Serena Williams is the only player worthy of the #1 spot to give it true meaning as the best player in the world.

Kim Clijsters as well.

Nobody ever said she cheats and lies in everything she says.

You must admit she is not the only thinking this way.

Federer said something along the same line, there have been sever thread about this topic throught the years dating back from Hingis final years.
So this is not something new.

And by Justine quote, there does not seem to be any malice intended.
She is puting herself in wozniacki's shoes and feels some sympathy because winning a GS while No 1 is a wish for anybody holding the number 1 ranking.

Spot on !

Good points, but let's not forget that the only reason Pushniacki is here is because Serena is injured.. And she plays a ton amount of tournaments. It's true, the entire tour is responsible for this situation.. so the lack of a "credible" #1 player reflects on everyone. And it's also true that without a slam, and not even a slam final within the last year...


Wozniacki is pretty much an impostor there and easily the worst #1 in history. She knows it and everyone knows it.

No, not everyone knows it, nor her. She is only 20 for god's sake ! It will be funny to show that quote again in 3 years if she has won 5 slams by that time.

Yes and I had in mind someone like Goolagong (7 slams ?), barely mentionned in any discussion or Mandlikova who is remembered for the beauty of her game more than for her 4 slams etc...
Same goes on the men side : tennis fans remember Mecir, Rios, Leconte (and Nalbandian will fall in this category too)cause of their game/personality despite the lack of a slam win.On the other hand, a lot of slam winners have been forgotten.
Winning a slam (or several ones)is great but it's not the end of all things imo.

True, but it is the ultimate goal of all players. It was Schiavone's lifetime dream in tennis for instance.
Elena would have loved to get a Slam.

Well someone has to make a stir in Sarin's absence. I suppose JH will do :lol:. I really don't care what she has to say. She has a right to her opinion, which I think most people think the #1 should have a slam :shrug:. JH probably needs to worry more about her next opponent than Woz's ranking though..just saying.

Erm.... she was asked about Wozniacki, you know.

Serena y Monica
Jan 17th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Justine obviously wants Schiavone to be #1. :worship:
Better Schiavonne than Wozniacki...a slamless #1 is just plain sad. Not her fault but still...sad.

TheHangover
Jan 17th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Why you compare schiavone and wozniacki, schiavone is not number one and will never be, but she is a slam winner may be a lucky slam winner, but nobody can take her title away, the fact that wozniacki is number one without a slam demostrate that she isn't the strongest player in the world because only in slams there are ALL the best players in the world (except ijured) and only in gs they give 100%, look at serena, she doesn't even care of non slam events, i know it's not caroline's fault but that's the way things are

Matt01
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Juju is really obsessed with Sarin :lol: She always says nice things abt her in every interview and still Rena fans dont like her :sad:


I'm sure she really cares about the opinions of the reetards :lol:

Matt01
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:39 PM
Wozniacki is pretty much an impostor there and easily the worst #1 in history. She knows it and everyone knows it.


Worse than Jankovic and/or Safina? I really don't think that she and "everyone" think so....

Craig.
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Worse than Jankovic and/or Safina? I really don't think that she and "everyone" think so....

Yes? :shrug: :lol:

Matt01
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:44 PM
Yes? :shrug: :lol:


At least she's better than Pova as proved at last years US OPen :drool:

Craig.
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:46 PM
At least she's better than Pova as proved at last years US OPen :drool:

God, you're such a fucking troll :rolls:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:47 PM
At least she's better than Pova as proved at last years US OPen :drool:

Beating Pova isnt exactly a great feat anymore, even Greta Arn has managed to do it.

Njalle
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:48 PM
God, you're such a fucking troll :rolls:

Right back at you :wavey:

Craig.
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:49 PM
Right back at you :wavey:

And you... are?

Apoleb
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:58 PM
Worse than Jankovic and/or Safina? I really don't think that she and "everyone" think so....

Easily worse than Safina. Jankovic might give her a run for her money. But at least she made a slam final and 2 semis in the year she reached #1. Wozniacki has a SF only. Again, if this isn't a mockery of her as a #1 player, it certainly is a mockery of the #1 ranking. Because if people with her record keep getting there, then it's pretty much meaningless. People mention that she hasn't won a slam. But that's only half the problem.

Njalle
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:01 PM
And you... are?

The guy who tells the truth. Deal with it.

Here's one truth for you: Dinara Safina was the worst #1.

The Dawntreader
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:03 PM
The guy who tells the truth. Deal with it.

Here's one truth for you: Dinara Safina was the worst #1.

Truth, or 'Wozniacki Regina' propaganda?

Njalle
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:07 PM
Truth, or 'Wozniacki Regina' propaganda?

Truth.

Craig.
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:09 PM
The guy who tells the truth. Deal with it.

Here's one truth for you: Dinara Safina was the worst #1.

I have a different opinion than you and that makes me a troll? :confused:

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:10 PM
Maybe you should show some respect you clueless fanboy. Justine has far more knowledge and experience than some armchair tennis analyst posting on forums. :zzz:

I was joking. :o I agree with Justine wholeheartedly.

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:11 PM
The guy who tells the truth. Deal with it.

Here's one truth for you: Dinara Safina was the worst #1.

Dinara had slam finals on her #1 ranking...Caro only once made a SF. :lol:

Nicolás89
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Dinara had slam finals on her #1 ranking...Caro only once made a SF. :lol:

:spit: Stop trying so hard!

madmax
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:15 PM
The guy who tells the truth. Deal with it.

Here's one truth for you: Dinara Safina was the worst #1.

Safina had a capability to dominate and dictate her matches against ANY opponent. Pushnicki hopes and prays that her opponents self-destruct and start spraying errors. Now you tell me which player seems to be a "true" Nr.1:wavey:

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:17 PM
:spit: Stop trying so hard!

That's not trying hard. That's cold hard facts. :tape:

Njalle
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:17 PM
I have a different opinion than you and that makes me a troll? :confused:

Well, no less than Matt01 is a troll. You started the name-calling.

Matt01
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Safina had a capability to dominate and dictate her matches against ANY opponent. Pushnicki hopes and prays that her opponents self-destruct and start spraying errors. Now you tell me which player seems to be a "true" Nr.1:wavey:


Uh, you don't know a thing about tennis so please stop analyzing their gamestyles. It can't turn out well...

Njalle
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:19 PM
Safina had a capability to dominate and dictate her matches against ANY opponent. Pushnicki hopes and prays that her opponents self-destruct and start spraying errors. Now you tell me which player seems to be a "true" Nr.1:wavey:

Hopes and prays. Yeah. Right.

>Implying her skills have no saying in this.:help:

Nicolás89
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:22 PM
That's not trying hard. That's cold hard facts. :tape:

Yes, because "almost winning a slam" is so much better than "almost winning a slam". :tape:

madmax
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:24 PM
Uh, you don't know a thing about tennis so please stop analyzing their gamestyles. It can't turn out well...

you don't need to be an expert of tennis to see the pattern all of Wozniacki's matches go - she pushes and hopes that the other player will miss and choke. When this plan fails, she loses badly. These are just cold hard facts.

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:26 PM
Yes, because "almost winning a slam" is so much better than "almost winning a slam". :tape:

Caro didn't come close to winning a slam. The only time she did was when she got to face Oudin and Wickmayer.

Matt01
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:28 PM
you don't need to be an expert of tennis to see the pattern all of Wozniacki's matches go - she pushes and hopes that the other player will miss and choke.


There's absolute no way hell that you can get to #1 with that kind of game.

justineheninfan
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Safina had a capability to dominate and dictate her matches against ANY opponent.

Yeah sure against everyone except Serena, Venus, Henin, Cljisters, Mauresmo, Sharapova, Davenport, Kuznetsova, Ivanovic, Dementieva, and most of the rest of the top 30. :lol:

Nicolás89
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Caro didn't come close to winning a slam. The only time she did was when she got to face Oudin and Wickmayer.

Well, that's YOUR opinion. Not so much of a fact. :sad:

Njalle
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:31 PM
you don't need to be an expert of tennis to see the pattern all of Wozniacki's matches go - she pushes and hopes that the other player will miss and choke. When this plan fails, she loses badly. These are just cold hard facts.

So butthurt :lol:

justineheninfan
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:33 PM
I agree Safina is the worst #1 ever, but Wozniacki at this point is 2nd worst. Jankovic and Ivanovic as flakey and unremarkable as both are were better #1s than her at this point. Given her youth though it is to be expected Wozniacki will easily end up being th best of those 4 in time though.

madmax
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:35 PM
There's absolute no way hell that you can get to #1 with that kind of game.

unfortunately you can these days with all injured and out of form elite players not giving a damn about tourneys outside of slams. You just have to dedicate yourself and start grinding (or pushing)

@Merlin@
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:51 PM
It's quite funny that when it comes to Caroline, Dinara & Jelena.
All forget that Kim and Amélie also was No. 1 without a grand slam.
Kim in 2 years and Amelie in 2 years also. So time will tell.

AcesHigh
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:51 PM
I agree Safina is the worst #1 ever, but Wozniacki at this point is 2nd worst. Jankovic and Ivanovic as flakey and unremarkable as both are were better #1s than her at this point. Given her youth though it is to be expected Wozniacki will easily end up being th best of those 4 in time though.

safina is not the worse #1 ever... she actually had some pretty good numbers.

Ivanovic was definitely the worst #1 ever.. her record as #1 is atrocious

Martian KC
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:53 PM
:lol: :yeah: The Serena comment seems to be the main motivation for the thread :lol:

IKR?:lol:

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:54 PM
Well, that's YOUR opinion. Not so much of a fact. :sad:

OK, if you think that if all her GS losses in '10 being in straight sets before the final indicates her almost winning a slam then I guess you're beyond help. :ignore:

Craig.
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:02 PM
Well, no less than Matt01 is a troll. You started the name-calling.

So what, you had to jump in and defend him? :confused:

His reply was completely outta line (yet expected), which is why I reacted that way :shrug:

Whatever.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:10 PM
So what, you had to jump in and defend him? :confused:

His reply was completely outta line (yet expected), which is why I reacted that way :shrug:

Whatever.
That is Matts little lapdog. :confused: Or maybe they are trying to get noticed. So they thought that being an e-gangster and siding with Matt would get them some street cred.:confused:

justineheninfan
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:16 PM
safina is not the worse #1 ever... she actually had some pretty good numbers.

Ivanovic was definitely the worst #1 ever.. her record as #1 is atrocious

I am not looking at just while they were #1 though but their overall career. I guess if you look at just what they did while #1 you are right. However Ana is the only one of Safina, Woz, Jankovic, to actually win a slam. And she reached 3 slam finals. Safina also reached 3 finals too but was embarassing in 2 of the 3 and lost all 3 in straight sets. Jankovic reached 1 slam final, and Woz so far has reached 1.

What Ana did in the 13 months prior to reaching #1 was quite impressive. She then just couldnt handle the pressure at all once she got there.

AcesHigh
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:22 PM
I am not looking at just while they were #1 though but their overall career. I guess if you look at just what they did while #1 you are right. However Ana is the only one of Safina, Woz, Jankovic, to actually win a slam. And she reached 3 slam finals. Safina also reached 3 finals too but was embarassing in 2 of the 3 and lost all 3 in straight sets. Jankovic reached 1 slam final, and Woz so far has reached 1.

What Ana did in the 13 months prior to reaching #1 was quite impressive. She then just couldnt handle the pressure at all once she got there.

Right, but when you say who was the better #1... I think that implies we're talking about how they performed as #1.
IMO, Wozniacki has the best mentality to handle the pressure. Ivanovic imploded... Safina fought hard but crumbled as well and JJ wasn't too bad.

The thing about Ivanovic as well is that she was gifted #1. If we just leave Henin's points in there, I dont think Ana would have become #1. Also, with Henin's departure right before RG, her win seems a little off to me as well. That whole year was a mess.

Pops Maellard
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:24 PM
Right, but when you say who was the better #1... I think that implies we're talking about how they performed as #1.
IMO, Wozniacki has the best mentality to handle the pressure. Ivanovic imploded... Safina fought hard but crumbled as well and JJ wasn't too bad.

The thing about Ivanovic as well is that she was gifted #1. If we just leave Henin's points in there, I dont think Ana would have become #1. Also, with Henin's departure right before RG, her win seems a little off to me as well. That whole year was a mess.

She had to reach the RG final to become #1. Hardly a walk in the park...

justineheninfan
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Right, but when you say who was the better #1... I think that implies we're talking about how they performed as #1.
IMO, Wozniacki has the best mentality to handle the pressure. Ivanovic imploded... Safina fought hard but crumbled as well and JJ wasn't too bad.

The thing about Ivanovic as well is that she was gifted #1. If we just leave Henin's points in there, I dont think Ana would have become #1. Also, with Henin's departure right before RG, her win seems a little off to me as well. That whole year was a mess.

Yeah I see what you are saying about Ana. She handled the situation and pressure of being #1 the worst of all of them. Safina began decently once she reached #1, but after falling apart in the FO final it was all downhill. Jankovic was moderately good but didnt win the big title.

Although who knows if Henin would have won RG that year or not. She was playing her worst tennis since 2000 in the early part of the year, heck even last year she played better in the first half of the year than 2008 probably. Ana might have still won RG. I still found it strange Henin asked for her name to be removed from the rankings, she had worked hard for any extra weeks she had at #1 even retired by kicking ass so thoroughly in 2007 IMHO. And it is not like there was anyone worthy to step in, well until Serena finally began taking back over late that year. The year was a mess but order was restored in the second half of the year when the Williams reasserted themselves as the top players by jointly dominating at Wimbledon, U.S Open, and WTA Championships.

Loungy
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:29 PM
In the same time, many (multiple)slam winners are barely remembered or discussed at all.
Yup. I think that to be remembered and discussed for a long time after retirement for sure, you either have to a) have great personality, b) have a sob/controversial story, c) get 5 slams or more. Five slams seem to be the magical mark.

justineheninfan
Jan 18th, 2011, 12:04 AM
Yeah I think 5 is the cut off point. You talk about Hingis, Goolagong, Bueno, some today but not really about Sanchez Vicario, Wade, Jones, Mandlikova. Davenport is only still talked about since she is recent, despite being the best 3 slammer in history she will fade into relative obscurity in time probably. Capriati has her "story" which is why she will be remembered, and Sharapova will be since she is like the Kournikova who could play singles tennis and win. Austin is remembered for her personality, being a top 5 teen phenom, and for staying in the public eye through commentary for many years.

AcesHigh
Jan 18th, 2011, 12:08 AM
Yeah I think 5 is the cut off point. You talk about Hingis, Goolagong, Bueno, some today but not really about Sanchez Vicario, Wade, Jones, Mandlikova. Davenport is only still talked about since she is recent, despite being the best 3 slammer in history she will fade into relative obscurity in time probably. Capriati has her "story" which is why she will be remembered, and Sharapova will be since she is like the Kournikova who could play singles tennis and win. Austin is remembered for her personality, being a top 5 teen phenom, and for staying in the public eye through commentary for many years.

I don't think Davenport will.. just b/c the sheer amount of titles, weeks at #1, years at #1, and just that she has some of the best strokes ever.

But b/c of her other accomplishments, her name is in the record books of top players. Same with Hingis.

matty
Jan 18th, 2011, 12:46 AM
That is Matts little lapdog. :confused: Or maybe they are trying to get noticed. So they thought that being an e-gangster and siding with Matt would get them some street cred.:confused:

:lol: good one!

Renalicious
Jan 18th, 2011, 12:55 AM
That Serena comment. :worship:

Roookie
Jan 18th, 2011, 01:09 AM
This only heats up the potential 4rd clash :drool:. Please tennis Gods, let it happen.

Njalle
Jan 18th, 2011, 06:35 AM
So what, you had to jump in and defend him? :confused:

His reply was completely outta line (yet expected), which is why I reacted that way :shrug:

Whatever.

Defend him? Nah, the thing is that your comment was just as ridiculous and calling him a troll while throwing in a comment like that only minutes before was just :lol:

That is Matts little lapdog. :confused: Or maybe they are trying to get noticed. So they thought that being an e-gangster and siding with Matt would get them some street cred.:confused:

Good good, let the butthurt flow through you :drool: