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VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Rankings
Effective immediately, the rankings will now only reflect the best of 16 events played (plus tour championships). There will also be no limit on the amount of tournaments you can play per year. This will have a tremendous effect on the number of people entering events. So therefore, we have implemented the following draw sizes per events:

Grand Slams - unlimited main draw spots
Premier Mandatory - 64 main draw (48 direct entry; 8 qualifiers; 4 wild cards; 4 BYES)

Premier 5 - 64 main draw (44 direct entry; 8 qualifiers; 4 wild cards; 8 BYES)
Premier 600/700 - 32 main draw (25 direct entry; 4 qualifiers; 3 wild cards)
International - 16 main draw (12 direct entry; 2 qualifiers; 2 wild cards)
Challenger Events - unlimited main draw spots (cannot be in top 20 at time of entry)
Maximum qualifying entries at ANY event is 16 (13 direct entries; 3 wild cards)
Points to Send

With this assistance of adner, we have completely renovated the "points to send" option. Instead of rewarding experience, we are rewarding past successes.
Each player will start out with their base points of 105, 102, and 100 points
If you have ever won an event from 2000-2010, you win "forever" points on that surface.
Grand Slam/Olympics Gold = 1.5
Tier I/Premier 5/Premier Mandatory/Tour Championships/Olympics Silver = 1
Tier II/Premier 700 or 600/Olympics Bronze = 0.5
Tier III, IV, V/International/Challenger = 0
What about events won in 2011?
If you win an event in 2011, you will receive additional points on to your points to send.

Grand Slam = 7
Premier Mandatory/Premier 5 = 5
Premier 600/700 = 3
International or Challenger = 1These points will be dropped off at the end of 2011 and be converted to the "forever" points listed above for the 2012 season.

There is a cap of 115 points MAX per surface.


A list of points to send will be published before the Australian Open Draw is announced (sometime within the next 30 hours or so).

Savior
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:10 PM
I... LOVE this. Thank you guys for all of your hard work in setting this up AND keeping track of it moving forward. You guys are awesome and make this game fun. Thank you.

LightsOut!
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:19 PM
International titles = 0 points???????????????????????? :fiery:
I am not happy... and I do NOT agree with this...
Nthama might retire very soon!

LightsOut!
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:27 PM
You should DEFINITELY discuss this with everyone here and not decide it all by yourselves..!

claypova
Jan 15th, 2011, 11:54 PM
i think it is fair :shrug:

Mattographer
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:15 AM
International titles = 0 points???????????????????????? :fiery:
I am not happy... and I do NOT agree with this...
Nthama might retire very soon!
Bitch, nobody cares about you.

Singleniacki
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:21 AM
I was kinda warey of the idea, until i saw the 115 cap. Which sounds fair.

Carotastrophe
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:28 AM
sounds fair. :D

wongqks
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:52 AM
I know I probably not in a good position to comment on this since I may be a beneificay of this . But I have to say this is a well thought out system .

Nthama you should not be worry that it is not very fair , when the points come out you will probably realize the handicap of some established player is not very big . I think Jane will prob have advantag in clay but other than that not so much . Also nthama is on a rise and will win slams and big title soon , so you will benefit from t soon :)

I also like the idea that we can play unlimited tournaments and count 16 best result , it make the ranking more realistic .

Thanks so much

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:59 AM
Nthama does a lot to help out around her, so I don't appreciate you publicly calling her a bitch on this board.

When you see the points, you will realize that it is actually more fair than experience points as there is less of a range between veterans and new comers.

Singleniacki
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:02 AM
Nthama does a lot to help out around her, so I don't appreciate you publicly calling her a bitch on this board.

When you see the points, you will realize that it is actually more fair than experience points as there is less of a range between veterans and new comers.

But Bryanne Vittoria is only telling the truth, Nthama is a bitch. :rolls:

Geertvg
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:16 AM
I really like it. Good idea!

Kris
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:25 AM
Wow - much work for you guys - THANKS

Geoffry
Jan 16th, 2011, 09:16 AM
Oh, that explains Elise's 114 hardcourt points.

I like the new approach. I wonder if everyone will be playing every week from now on?

Great work! :bowdown:

King Aaron
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:20 PM
^Bitch. I won't want to play you anymore. :mad:

;)

Geoffry
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:34 PM
What's with all the foul language in this thread? :p
Behave, Ella! ;)

I've got a question concerning the 115 cap: does it only apply to the forever points? Or also to the seasonal points?

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jan 16th, 2011, 05:07 PM
What's with all the foul language in this thread? :p
Behave, Ella! ;)

I've got a question concerning the 115 cap: does it only apply to the forever points? Or also to the seasonal points?
Both - I would have had 126 points in doubles plus 1 additional point for winning Auckland to bump be up to 127. Once you get above 115 you really start to have an extreme advantage over players with 100.

LightsOut!
Jan 16th, 2011, 05:24 PM
I am just of the opinion that the "old" experience points were fair: They honoured a player for sticking with the tour for a long time, no matter his results. The new format only helps you, if you win the big events... players who are here for 10 years without being a big star but were always around, don't get anything.

Plus of course, I am pissed that players who win 1 Premier event/Grand Slam earn LOTS of extra points forever, while a player like Nthama who won 6 titles in one season, all at international events, does not get ANYTHING for that!

It's not a lot easier to win an international event, a title is something special and not easy to earn.

Also if you look at the new extra points format, the winner of the Australian Open, will be the winner of the year, because he receives 7 extra points for winning one tournament (almost twice the ones before), while international title points go down from 2 to 1... to same grade as challenger event :tape:

I am definitely not the littlest bit happy with this decision as it favors the top 5, helping them to stay the top 5 forever and pushes down the lower ranked players.
Looking at this, players should only play Premier events and bigger because the rest don't count nothing.

Plus a cap of 115 at the beginning of the season: very nice... that was 111 until now :help:

I don't know if I keep playing this fucking game if this will be used but i will 100% not spend so much time on extra work for FWTT. It was not hours, or days... in 2010 I spent weeks on this... at least 500 hours.

Håkon
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:52 PM
I don't like that Internationals are equal to Challengers, either. Last year we had ITFs with five players...hopefully it won't be this bad but they're really easy to win imo.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:58 PM
I don't like that Internationals are equal to Challengers, either. Last year we had ITFs with five players...hopefully it won't be this bad but they're really easy to win imo.
I think you all are right. That should probably be changing.

Joseosu19
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:58 AM
I am just of the opinion that the "old" experience points were fair: They honoured a player for sticking with the tour for a long time, no matter his results. The new format only helps you, if you win the big events... players who are here for 10 years without being a big star but were always around, don't get anything.

Plus of course, I am pissed that players who win 1 Premier event/Grand Slam earn LOTS of extra points forever, while a player like Nthama who won 6 titles in one season, all at international events, does not get ANYTHING for that!

It's not a lot easier to win an international event, a title is something special and not easy to earn.

Also if you look at the new extra points format, the winner of the Australian Open, will be the winner of the year, because he receives 7 extra points for winning one tournament (almost twice the ones before), while international title points go down from 2 to 1... to same grade as challenger event :tape:

I am definitely not the littlest bit happy with this decision as it favors the top 5, helping them to stay the top 5 forever and pushes down the lower ranked players.
Looking at this, players should only play Premier events and bigger because the rest don't count nothing.

Plus a cap of 115 at the beginning of the season: very nice... that was 111 until now :help:

I don't know if I keep playing this fucking game if this will be used but i will 100% not spend so much time on extra work for FWTT. It was not hours, or days... in 2010 I spent weeks on this... at least 500 hours.
First, I want to start by saying that I, for one, appreciate all you have brought to FWTT. You have done a wonderful job with all your tasks:worship:. I think that you'll find that the majority of players have similar appreciation for what you've done.

Now I sort of agree with you and am not a fan of the new rules/points. But I think that we owe it to Josh and FWTT in general to give it a shot. Everyone has put in a lot of work in this game and we may end up finding out that this is a great way to promote the game and make it even better. Even so, the game is still fun when you aren't always winning.

I do wish that it had been discussed as a group decision, but I also understand that decisions/discussions between everyone can take a long time, and you never are going to make everyone happy anyways.

But basically, I really hope that you don't quit the tour...it'd be a big loss.

Buitenzorg
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:05 AM
I think.....

If you win an event in 2011, you will receive additional points on to your points to send.

Grand Slam = 5

Premier Mandatory/Premier 5 = 3

Premier 600/700 = 2

International or Challenger = 1

Buitenzorg
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:06 AM
I am definitely not the littlest bit happy with this decision as it favors the top 5, helping them to stay the top 5 forever and pushes down the lower ranked players.
Looking at this, players should only play Premier events and bigger because the rest don't count nothing.



I agreed

Buitenzorg
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:08 AM
Plus a cap of 115 at the beginning of the season: very nice... that was 111 until now :help:



yeah, 115 is way too much at the beginning of the season, should be 110 max!

Buitenzorg
Jan 17th, 2011, 01:09 AM
I don't know if I keep playing this fucking game if this will be used but i will 100% not spend so much time on extra work for FWTT. It was not hours, or days... in 2010 I spent weeks on this... at least 500 hours.

Thanks for all of your hard works in the past until now, Ntha :hug: :kiss:

we will definitely see how this new rules would turn out or affecting anyone in FWTT very soon!!! :confused::tape::help:

adner
Jan 17th, 2011, 03:21 AM
I think.....

If you win an event in 2011, you will receive additional points on to your points to send.

Grand Slam = 5

Premier Mandatory/Premier 5 = 3

Premier 600/700 = 2

International or Challenger = 1

The thing is, International events are not supposed to be so important that winning two of them is same as winning lets say Sydney or Paris.

Let's not forget that someone having 110 points is not automatically bound to defeat someone with 100 points. It's not hard to see people having 100 points easily beating people with 110. In FWTT luck is the main factor(when it comes to winning tournaments) and having more points gives you just a slight advantage.

I am definitely not the littlest bit happy with this decision as it favors the top 5, helping them to stay the top 5 forever and pushes down the lower ranked players.
Looking at this, players should only play Premier events and bigger because the rest don't count nothing.
I agreed

How is that so? I think Cucumber_Conny should stop spreading this propaganda without any real reasoning as it doesn't help us at all. Comments and critical opinions are great for developing the game, but don't forget that criticism has to be constructive.
Being in Top 5 or anywhere else doesn't change your points total. You have to EARN the points first and then get to the top of rankings which is fine.
The system favors Top 25, as there are 25 direct entries into smallest draws of Premier tournaments. It's the equivalent of experience points as once you get to play all year long you will probably find yourself close or already in top 30.


The thing I agree with is that we might have to separate points awarded for International and Challenger events. If I was to propose the exact amount, the Challenger points would go down to 0,5.
I think we might give 2 exp points for International events, but only when there is no bigger event that week.