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pov
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Assuming that the person can sing on key what is that you mean by "better vocalist" as opposed to a vocalist whose style you like more.

Wider range? Advanced technical abilities and vocal acrobatics? Soul(bringing emotion to a tune)? Timbre?

To me once a person has a decent range and feeling, there is no "better" there is only "preferred"

How do you see it?

mckyle.
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:57 PM
The one with the most charm (Gaga)

The Dawntreader
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Phrasing, diction, coloration. Decent vocal range pertaining to their voice type.

At the end of the day, the voice is a communicative tool. The one who can best express a clear mean of communication to an audience emotionally is the complete vocalist IMO.

Trills, 5 octave ranges are secondary.

skanky~skanketta
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Range + Vocal Acrobatics + Power

I love Whitney and Mariah.

While Sarah Mclachlan doesn't really have the three which I see as being a great vocalist, I love her too. And Tori Amos.

ElusiveChanteuse
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:26 PM
I think Rihanna, Britney, Miley, Taylor etc. are all vocalist. :cheer:

Root
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:58 PM
I think Rihanna, Britney, Miley, Taylor etc. are all vocalist. :cheer:

....?

All singers are vocalists whether they are solo or in a band, awful or not.

It's well said by The Dawntreader.

Sean.
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Technique. How they produce the note, where they hold it, resonance, etc.

Just because the note is in key & powerful doesn't necessarily make it a good note. A lot of vocalists damage their voice with poor technique.

aznunit2k5
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Better vocalist = Someone who can hit the right notes, has the range, and has a PLEASING voice.

Direwolf
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Better Vocalist

Vocalist=singer...

shouldn't be confused with

VOCALS

Mariah Whitney and Aguilera have amazing vocals
but Beyonce is a better Vocalist.

Dominic
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:21 PM
It means Celine Dion :worship:

HippityHop
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:06 PM
When you get to a certain level it's all about preference. It reminds me of the foolish debates that took place when I was in college among opera fans as to who was the better coloratura soprano: Beverly Sills or Joan Sutherland.

Stamp Paid
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Vocal performances should stir emotion.
The person who can best balance emotion and proper technique is the better vocalist to me. Whitney in her prime, Luther Vandross, etc.

aznunit2k5
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Beyonce is one of the worst vocalists.

BartoliBabes
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:00 PM
Mariah Carey.

Lord Choc Ice
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:36 AM
Assuming that the person can sing on key what is that you mean by "better vocalist" as opposed to a vocalist whose style you like more.

Wider range? Advanced technical abilities and vocal acrobatics? Soul(bringing emotion to a tune)? Timbre?

To me once a person has a decent range and feeling, there is no "better" there is only "preferred"

How do you see it?

I think it's most of these things as a combo, except for vocal acrobatics which is pretty much an optional (and often don't fit a song anyway).

I consider this to be 'great vocalist' personified. :hearts:

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The Dawntreader
Jan 16th, 2011, 01:14 AM
Technique. How they produce the note, where they hold it, resonance, etc.

Just because the note is in key & powerful doesn't necessarily make it a good note. A lot of vocalists damage their voice with poor technique.

You can damage it with good technique too. Depends on your fach, and what kind of songs you sing.

Apoleb
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:34 PM
For the sake of semantics, it would be useful to differential between the meaning of vocalist and a singer. Vocalist is pretty much the technical stuff: notes, range, belts, bla bla. Singing is more about communicating something.

Anyway, when it comes to singers, tone is the most important for me. You can belt as much as you want, but if you don't have a pretty tone (Christina), it would still suck. Or you can have a pretty and expressive tone (Madonna) which can make up for the technical deficits.

Second most important thing (or equally important) is phrasing. This is really where the bulk of creativity and the really artistic part go into singing. The best singers can take the tritest lyrics and make them expressive through their phrasing and subtle melodic changes. Or they can take the most expressive lyrics (for lack of better words: obnoxious. like "you are the love of my life") and give them justice. Mary J Blige is amazing at phrasing even though people might disagree on her tone (which I like anyway).

Lord Choc Ice
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:38 PM
For the sake of semantics, it would be useful to differential between the meaning of vocalist and a singer. Vocalist is pretty much the technical stuff: notes, range, belts, bla bla. Singing is more about communicating something.

Anyway, when it comes to singers, tone is the most important for me. You can belt as much as you want, but if you don't have a pretty tone (Christina), it would still suck. Or you can have a pretty and expressive tone (Madonna) which can make up for the technical deficits.

Second most important thing (or equally important) is phrasing. This is really where the bulk of creativity and the really artistic part go into singing. The best singers can take the tritest lyrics and make them expressive through their phrasing and subtle melodic changes. Or they can take the most expressive lyrics (for lack of better words: obnoxious. like "you are the love of my life") and give them justice. Mary J Blige is amazing at phrasing even though people might disagree on her tone (which I like anyway).

It was only from the Stripped era onwards she started to belt the shit out of everything. :lol:

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This is Christina with pretty tone.

Mrs. Dimitrova
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:59 PM
I like listening to people who have a unique voice, or accent. I can't even tell the difference between pop stars these days listening to them on the radio. :shrug:

Shvedbarilescu
Jan 16th, 2011, 10:12 PM
Assuming that the person can sing on key what is that you mean by "better vocalist" as opposed to a vocalist whose style you like more.

Wider range? Advanced technical abilities and vocal acrobatics? Soul(bringing emotion to a tune)? Timbre?

To me once a person has a decent range and feeling, there is no "better" there is only "preferred"

How do you see it?

I couldn't care less for "advanced techinical abilities" or "vocal acrobatics". Frankly that style of singing puts me right off. Heck, I don't even see singing in key as being an important element to being a great vocalist.

What do I look for then? Uniqueness. A voice that sounds like no one elses, a voice I could recognise in a second. Honesty. A voice that just is what it is and doesn't try to show off or impress. Expressiveness. A voice can convey real emotions like humour, joy and fragility. Quite often the most expressive voice is the least technically skilled. It is easy to hide behind technique. Someone like Daniel Johnston couldn't sing a series of notes on key if his life depended on it but when he sings you can feel the emotion and honesty is coming from somewhere real. I appreciate voices that I can believe, voices that I can connect to.

The beauty of human beings is not that they are perfect. What makes humans human is their imperfections. I find it so much easier to relate to a frail voice like that of Ray Davies or Neil Young or Lou Reed than a strong big technically proficient voice like Michael Bolton.

Alejandrawrrr
Jan 17th, 2011, 08:40 AM
I agree once you get to a certain level(Let's say, 3 octaves, good control&Vibrato) etc it comes down to preference. The thing that makes ME favor a vocalist is more intangible, it's their improvisational skills, flashiness and so on. My current favorite vocalist is Beyonce owed mainly to her runs and riffs that have at times been excessive, but are otherwise breathtaking, and basically the stamp on her songs - Well, live anyway. My alltime vocalist is of course Ms Whitney Houston - In her prime there was no mistaking her voice, she had power, range and the ability to do literally anything she wanted to with that instrument of her's. And she did, once she got going she was impossible to stop...

So Disrespectful
Jan 17th, 2011, 10:43 AM
Best vocalist for me has the broadest range, best dexterity, versatility and is capable of producing light and shade. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll be my favourite to listen to.

volume3d
Jan 17th, 2011, 03:49 PM
I like listening to people who have a unique voice, or accent. I can't even tell the difference between pop stars these days listening to them on the radio. :shrug:

Rihanna and Britney have very specific voices, I can always tell: 'This is rihanna' when i heard it on the radio...

my fave vocalist/singer is Leona Lewis...amazing voice!