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tennis-insomniac
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:20 AM
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2011-01-14/6035.php

Vaxey
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:23 AM
:smash:
yeah, every player can be number one in ranking when the best players are injured. She'll not win a Grand Slam, but she'll win in Wozzy Sunshine Open. Our fantastic numbe one!

young_gunner913
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:26 AM
It's a great mentality for her to have but she does have a lot to prove reguardless.

Ldo95mf
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:26 AM
She's confidence in herself. Like that.

Noctis
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:27 AM
Silly Daughter.

You either prove your good or no good at number 1
now choose. She's getting more ridiculous with her interviews

Pops Maellard
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:30 AM
Actually Caro you have a lot to prove. :lol: You're not all that and a bag of chips girl.

Leo_DFP
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:33 AM
This is what every Slamess #1 has said, desperately, in interview after interview. Jelena, Dinara... this is just par for the course.

The more she has to field the question, the more the pressure inevitably builds. It's the cruelty of our world. It's why I seriously doubt Vera would even want to become #1 unless she bagged a Slam first. Why follow those footsteps?

cellophane
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:38 AM
Who is she trying to convince?

Mightymirza
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:43 AM
:lol: its same story every year.. JJ in 2008/09 and Dina in 2009/10.

duhcity
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:44 AM
This is what every Slamess #1 has said, desperately, in interview after interview. Jelena, Dinara... this is just par for the course.

The more she has to field the question, the more the pressure inevitably builds. It's the cruelty of our world. It's why I seriously doubt Vera would even want to become #1 unless she bagged a Slam first. Why follow those footsteps?

True. But Caroline is far stronger mentally than the other two. And if you've watched her press conferences, as opposed to Jelena and Dinara whom always sounded defensive, Caroline sounds assertive. Shame really. One of the stronger players mentally, with a lesser game

MB.
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:54 AM
Uhh... duh. People get mad at Caro for being #1 is ridiculous. Seriously, guys? She didn't ask for the ranking, she played and is ranked it by the computer.

If you disagree, take it up with the WTA.

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:58 AM
She is number 1 for a reason, and with consistent performances she proved that she deserved that spot (after serena). If she falls from 1st to 20th then she will have something to prove..although personally i am not happy with what i have seen from her so far this year, we can't really blame the racket...strings may make a minor difference but it doesn't automatically turn you from a very good player to an average one.:sad:

Lachy
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:59 AM
Keep telling yourself that Caro. You can do it! Win that slam! Win them all!

gmokb
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:08 AM
This brings back memories of Safina as #1.

Havok
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:51 AM
Clearly in denial.

Claycourter
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:31 AM
Way to go Caro! :rocker2:

Show these jealous haters! The losses and lack of slams mean nothing to the reigning world #1. She'll make a big push to win AO this year, I feel :smoke:

Ralph214
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:16 AM
Wozniacki: "I Don't Feel I Need to Prove Anything to Anybody" ... :bolt:

jefrilibra
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:31 AM
When someone makes this kind of statement, the opposite is most likely to be true!

VIKA?
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:34 AM
Well she's right.

empressionist
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:55 AM
JJ and Safina were saying the exact same thing...

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:12 AM
True. But Caroline is far stronger mentally than the other two. And if you've watched her press conferences, as opposed to Jelena and Dinara whom always sounded defensive, Caroline sounds assertive. Shame really. One of the stronger players mentally, with a lesser game

true

RND
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Love her. She's playing for herself, the money's hers, the fame's hers, not ours, not you haters. Great mindset to have. :yeah:

Apoleb
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

She's feeling the pressure.

Gawain
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Well said, Caro.
Especially not to the so-called tennis fans who keep bashing you (and most other players) out of frustration because they never achieved anything in their lives.
What do they know about tennis anyway. ;)

The Witch-king
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:37 AM
I like these quotes.

"The good thing is that I can play a mixed game. I don’t have to play aggressively. I can also play defensively because I know I can run a lot of balls down. I can mix it up."

"I feel like I had a good schedule last year. I don’t want to change it because I felt like I was feeling good physically and mentally. I like to play matches."

Keegan
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:50 AM
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8811/47238149.jpg

I think she has proved enough...



:devil:

LCS
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:52 AM
Serena Williams doesn't have anything to prove, Venus Williams doesn't have anything to prove, Maria Sharapova doesn't have anything to prove, now Caroline Wozniacki has everything to prove...

TennisFan66
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:58 AM
Well said, Caro.
Especially not to the so-called tennis fans who keep bashing you (and most other players) out of frustration because they never achieved anything in their lives.
What do they know about tennis anyway. ;)

Judging from comments I see in GM, I can safely answer: Precious little. My feeling is, a lot of people here get their tennis knowledge from playing games on their Vii, Xbox, PS.

Same posters know a lot about other stuff though. Such as running high as a kite on their emotions :lol:

JJ Expres
Jan 15th, 2011, 11:00 AM
what do you expect from her to say?i am loser because i don't have gs and I'm under pressure cause of that?
i dislike her but people here are bashing her for every single thing without any good reason...

Mistress of Evil
Jan 15th, 2011, 11:03 AM
She has a lot to prove and a lot to lose.

Helen Lawson
Jan 15th, 2011, 11:19 AM
It's really the press' fault, they build these players up just to tear them down. This gal has done nothing wrong, but the hype on her at the US Open was grating, it was like her winning was a foregone conclusion when the woman had one slam final to her credit, really ridiculous! I was thrilled when Cry Baby took her down, and I don't think I was alone. The press turned on JJ and Dinara quickly because they are not hot and in Dinara's case, have poor on court demeanors. Not so with this gal, I suspect the press will be shoving her down our throats for years to cone, which will make her all the more despised if she doesn't perform.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 11:50 AM
She is right. She certainly doesn't have anything to prove to losers who never achieved anything in their lives. She has #1 in the rankings by a mile and 12 titles on the tour. Only six other active players on the tour have more than her. That is a tremendous achievment in itself. There is nothing about it that has to be justified to anyone. She can be proud of achieving what was once a dream.

There's #1 and there's #1. Caro is the best player over the whole previous 12 months, she's won more tournaments than anyone else in that time. But she's not the best player in the sense of being the most likely to win a slam or tournamennt or defeat the big four or a top player playing at their peak. She doesn't have to prove or justify anything about that. Only strive to improve and try to achieve her own goals which includes winning a slam.

As for comparisons with JJ and Dinara as if they were failures. They too had nothing to prove. How many players have achieved #1? They did. Again - they will never be regarded in the same light as the very top players such as the big four. But what they achieved was huge even if - as is likely - they never win a slam.

Caro no more needs to prove or justify being #1 than the big four need to justify not playing enough and not being good enough to be the #1 in the rankings.

Hian
Jan 15th, 2011, 11:52 AM
We don't need you.

Smitten
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:02 PM
She is right. She certainly doesn't have anything to prove to losers who never achieved anything in their lives. She has #1 in the rankings by a mile and 12 titles on the tour. Only six other active players on the tour have more than her. That is a tremendous achievment in itself. There is nothing about it that has to be justified to anyone. She can be proud of achieving what was once a dream.

There's #1 and there's #1. Caro is the best player over the whole previous 12 months, she's won more tournaments than anyone else in that time. But she's not the best player in the sense of being the most likely to win a slam or tournamennt or defeat the big four or a top player playing at their peak. She doesn't have to prove or justify anything about that. Only strive to improve and try to achieve her own goals which includes winning a slam.

As for comparisons with JJ and Dinara as if they were failures. They too had nothing to prove. How many players have achieved #1? They did. Again - they will never be regarded in the same light as the very top players such as the big four. But what they achieved was huge even if - as is likely - they never win a slam.

Caro no more needs to prove or justify being #1 than the big four need to justify not playing enough and not being good enough to be the #1 in the rankings.

If you're #1. You have to prove it. That's why they all get hounded over and over until they produce results fitting of being #1.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:10 PM
If you're #1. You have to prove it. That's why they all get hounded over and over until they produce results fitting of being #1.

She has already proved it. She's got the points and more titles in the last 12 months She does not have to prove anything to you just because you say so.

Freshi
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:13 PM
good interview

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:29 PM
It's a great mentality for her to have but she does have a lot to prove reguardless.

That's so true.

Uhh... duh. People get mad at Caro for being #1 is ridiculous. Seriously, guys? She didn't ask for the ranking, she played and is ranked it by the computer.

If you disagree, take it up with the WTA.

I know right ? :o I will never understand why people are mad at her, she has an efficient game when it is on, it is not her fault if multiple Slam champions cannot get their act together, if there are so many slumping players, if most of good players are injured....

She is number 1 for a reason, and with consistent performances she proved that she deserved that spot (after serena). If she falls from 1st to 20th then she will have something to prove..although personally i am not happy with what i have seen from her so far this year, we can't really blame the racket...strings may make a minor difference but it doesn't automatically turn you from a very good player to an average one.:sad:

:worship:

Keep telling yourself that Caro. You can do it! Win that slam! Win them all!

:lol:
If she ever wins a Slam this year, TF would be very funny to read.

Smitten
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:32 PM
She has already proved it. She's got the points and more titles in the last 12 months She does not have to prove anything to you just because you say so.

Your own words below.

But she's not the best player in the sense of being the most likely to win a slam or tournamennt or defeat the big four or a top player playing at their peak.

Isn't being able to meet these criteria supposed to be synonymous with the #1 ranking and being at the top of the game?

Gawain
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Isn't being able to meet these criteria supposed to be synonymous with the #1 ranking and being at the top of the game?

No.
Because being WTA #1 does not mean you are the best player.
It means you have gathered the most points.

Critise the system if you don't like it.

Noctis
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:43 PM
She has already proved it. She's got the points and more titles in the last 12 months She does not have to prove anything to you just because you say so.

And what for that proof.
Those Titles weren't Slams
She only got there because Serena was injured
I mean it took her till Beijing after Serena hasn't play after Wim to get there
You ask why is she number 1 right now.

The impression she's giving me is ' I'll be number one for abit down, than I step down because I can't meet the expectations'

if she ain't going to prove why she should stay there
than she shouldn't. Simple

Gawain
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:50 PM
The impression she's giving me is ' I'll be number one for abit down, than I step down because I can't meet the expectations'


The only expectations one has to meet to remain #1 is to gather more points than your rivals.
Where and when doesn't matter.
The expectations of the masses matter even less.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:52 PM
She has already proved it. She's got the points and more titles in the last 12 months She does not have to prove anything to you just because you say so.
Caro reaching number 1 did not occur in a vacuum. There were circumstances all around it. Better players were injured or absent. Lets not act like there aren't any issues surrounding her reaching number 1.

Sean.
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:53 PM
The fact she's saying that means she actually does.

Gawain
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:56 PM
Better players were injured or absent.

Not Caro's fault.
If you want to be #1 don't get yourself injured or absent.
It's a quality like any other.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:58 PM
And what for that proof.
Those Titles weren't Slams
She only got there because Serena was injured
I mean it took her till Beijing after Serena hasn't play after Wim to get there
You ask why is she number 1 right now.

The impression she's giving me is ' I'll be number one for abit down, than I step down because I can't meet the expectations'

if she ain't going to prove why she should stay there
than she shouldn't. Simple

Irrelevant nonsense. She was the best player over the whole 12 months. Deal with it instead of excuses. I haven't created threads saying the big four have to prove that they can get to #1 now. Something which all greats used to manage to do.Win slams AND get to #1. If Caro is supposed to prove something - then they need to prove they can get and stay at #1 with the current system.

On another note - since slams are rated by so many people as the only thing that matters - it's time they had two official rankings. One as it is. The other just on the four slams the previous 12 months. This would achnowledge the existance of the #1 in the two distinct senses.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Not Caro's fault.
If you want to be #1 don't get yourself injured or absent.
It's a quality like any other.
So she inherited a title that she is not qualified for. People are going to talk about it and take issue with it.

Gawain
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:06 PM
So she inherited a title that she is not qualified for.

Says who?
Read this slowly and let it sink in:
You are qualified if you collect enough points to become #1.


All the rest are irrelevant opinions from people who want their 'in a perfect world'- fantasies to become true.

Root
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Way to go Caro! :rocker2:

Show these jealous haters! The losses and lack of slams mean nothing to the reigning world #1. She'll make a big push to win AO this year, I feel :smoke:

Wasn't it going to be a Masha and The Empress final?

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Not Caro's fault.
If you want to be #1 don't get yourself injured or absent.
It's a quality like any other.

Exactly - and if we go down the injury excuse - there's no end to it. As ridiculous as saying deduct all the slams the big four won in their career in which any of the big four were not playing and injured. Injuries is an excuse. The only thing to go on is achievements. In the case of the #1 player in the last 12 months - results in those last 12 months.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:12 PM
She earned the #1 spot. She finished the year with over 8000 points, everyone else was under 7000.

But the absolute elite are measured by slam wins. It's a given that the great players spend some time at #1.

So winning majors should be a goal for Caro.

But that's talking about great players.
For very good players, Caroline at 20 already has accomplished a lot, among them YE #1 for 2010.
To be considered one of the greats, she has to win some majors.
But she knows that, & we know it. So its not news.

Claycourter
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:13 PM
Wasn't it going to be a Masha and The Empress final?

I never said she'll make the final :cool:

She'll eventually fall to Masha's wrath in semi-finals, for she is not in a forgiving mood after Caro luckily beat her in '10 USO :(

Vikapower
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Not Caro's fault.
If you want to be #1 don't get yourself injured or absent.
It's a quality like any other.

Ha ha lol like as if Justine and co programmed their injuries ? This is something that occurs naturally in a sportsman's life just like it'll severely happen to the Dane one of these days if she keeps playing that much !

You Caro fans should stop denying that it's a complete weak arsed tour that allowed her all this (...) just like Janko, she has no talent to be said so maybe just than a good pair of wheels like her sibling and it's not with that you're going to prove something.

Kimmie has proven by A + B what a joke imposture that Dane is (...) the first when Kimmie was physically done and the second in a none official event but yet still important for the Dane to have a proof to herself that she can overpass one of the most talented player of the preceding generation (...) remember these/that same player(s) who were/was most and foremost absent middle-end 2010 allowing Caro Woz the glory. :lol:

Sunshine Caro knows she'll never ever win a major that's the reason why she makes all this dumb useless talk because she truly believes that with the little MMs she won back then she has accomplished something Nadalesque, a shame and she has absolutely nothing to proove anymore, poor Caro Woz wake up ! :lol:

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:33 PM
Says who?
Read this slowly and let it sink in:
You are qualified if you collect enough points to become #1.


All the rest are irrelevant opinions from people who want their 'in a perfect world'- fantasies to become true.
MF, you read slowly, if she has the number 1 ranking and she is not the best player in the world, then she is not qualified for the position.

To whom much is given, much is expected.

InsideOut.
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:33 PM
Keep telling yourself that and you might actually believe it, Caro. :tape:

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:41 PM
She earned the #1 spot. She finished the year with over 8000 points, everyone else was under 7000.

But the absolute elite are measured by slam wins. It's a given that the great players spend some time at #1.

So winning majors should be a goal for Caro.

But that's talking about great players.
For very good players, Caroline at 20 already has accomplished a lot, among them YE #1 for 2010.
To be considered one of the greats, she has to win some majors.
But she knows that, & we know it. So its not news.

I totally agree - but there's no denying that with the media there is a lot of pressure being thrown at Caro. She will constantly be asked about being #1 with no slam. People will constantly say she needs to prove herself. So:

She has earned the #1 ranking as you say. She doesn't have to prove it as you say.
.
Can she do what she says and strive for grand slams but not panic or feel pressure that she has to. In other words - regardless of whether she achieves her goals - not let the questions get to her but act like she says. This is the biggest issue.
.
In the case of JJ - I don't think the pressure was ever an issue. She had that disastrous bulking up experiment and with the possible exception of RG last year - has never been good enough to contend in any slam since 2008. She just hasn't yet anyway been good enough.
.
In the case of Dinara though - I definitely think that despite what she said and the unfairness of it all - she did crack and let the pressure get to her.She got to two slam finals. Amd it does make you think there was almost panic that she thought she had to win as opposed to an opportunity to do her best and that's all you can ask.
That is the real issue. Not that she has anything to prove which she doesn't. But how she copes with the pressure and the constant questioning of the legitimacy of her ranking. In other words - that her team and herself can keep her from getting distracted from her very good answer.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:42 PM
MF, you read slowly, if she has the number 1 ranking and she is not the best player in the world, then she is not qualified for the position.

To whom much is given, much is expected.She is one of the best players. She won Beijing, Tokyo, Canada, made the YEC final & USO SF.
And ranked #1. She is 20 & one of the best players.
Her results have been strong and are showing consistent improvement. Every year her results look as good or better than the previous years.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:43 PM
She earned the #1 spot. She finished the year with over 8000 points, everyone else was under 7000.

But the absolute elite are measured by slam wins. It's a given that the great players spend some time at #1.

So winning majors should be a goal for Caro.

But that's talking about great players.
For very good players, Caroline at 20 already has accomplished a lot, among them YE #1 for 2010.
To be considered one of the greats, she has to win some majors.
But she knows that, & we know it. So its not news.
In real life, many people earn positions, by being their when the qualified candidate departs. That does not mean that they are qualified to do the job. They are just the best option at the time.

You are absolutely correct, she earned it but she is not qualified for it. That may change, but as of right now, I don't think she is.

kaetchen
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:45 PM
Regardless the way she (and whoever else) feels about it, there is nothing different she can say. What would it be: "I was happy to get to No1" or "I won't consider myself a true No1 until I win a slam"?. Even if her reply sounds a little aggressive.
The defensive style of play remark is funny though. It's stupid to say she can play differently but just prefers to plays this way.

Gawain
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Maybe they should abolish the WTA raking system and just let the experts here on TF elect the #1. ;)

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Maybe they should abolish the WTA raking system and just let the experts here on TF elect the #1. ;)
Maybe you should stop trying to be sarcastic :rolleyes:and just understand that when someone achieves the pinacle of any profession, there are expections of performance that a person has to deal with. If they think otherwise, then they are fooling themselves.

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:56 PM
In real life, many people earn positions, by being their when the qualified candidate departs. That does not mean that they are qualified to do the job. They are just the best option at the time.

You are absolutely correct, she earned it but she is not qualified for it. That may change, but as of right now, I don't think she is.

Tennis =/= real life :tape:

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:58 PM
She earned #1, and she has most of her points after Wimbledon. So she is going to be #1 or close to it until at least this summer.

Before a major, the #1 is going to be asked about their chances of winning.
That's fair. A #1 should be a strong contender anywhere, & Caro is 3rd betting favorite.

Ryan
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Most of y'all here just wont be happy about anything. What do you want her to say, that she's not a REAL #1? Would Kim not be a REAL #1 if she reached it while Serena was injured? Of course Caroline needs to win a Slam to legitimize herself as the "top dog", but her mentality is the right one. If she came into interviews and said "I need to win a Slam, I have to"....she'd shoot herself in the foot.

Vikapower
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Maybe they should abolish the WTA raking system and just let the experts here on TF elect the #1. ;)

(...) or maybe the Dane should just stop her pushing tennis or stop happily claiming to be one so that in order to progress technically, strategically (...) tennis wise and put herself in better position to win a major because other from her one and unique final in New-York 2009 the little Dane's achievements in majors are pretty much unlike a #1 e.g. 0 GS finals in 2009.

tennis-insomniac
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:04 PM
She earned #1, and she has most of her points after Wimbledon. So she is going to be #1 or close to it until at least this summer.

Before a major, the #1 is going to be asked about their chances of winning.
That's fair. A #1 should be a strong contender anywhere, & Caro is 3rd betting favorite.

I would put Vera or even Schiavone before Caroline as betting favourite.

dynamoRockstarr
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:06 PM
Oh no she's playing face so bad right now. She's yet to win a GS, girl stop trying to prevent yourself from recognizing the truth. Still like you Wozzy!!!

Whitehead's Boy
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure what people expect her to say. I don't think you'll find many people who'll admit they need to prove they're worthy of the position they are currently in. The natural attitude is to assert you deserve to be where you are and don't need to prove anything.

Having said that, obviously she has to prove herself. Let's not be silly and argue that she doesn't have to prove herself because she has accomplished more than 99,99% of the world's population. The discussion is obviously not from that angle; we're talking about women's tennis and what it is we expect from the world number 1.

Ryan
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:13 PM
I would put Vera or even Schiavone before Caroline as betting favourite.



Putting Schiavone above her as a favorite just makes you crazy. :)

tennis-insomniac
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Putting Schiavone above her as a favorite just makes you crazy. :)

I am certain with my pick ;)

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:17 PM
Tennis =/= real life :tape:
I don't know what alternate universe you are living in, but tennis is part of the real world, and is a real life situation. :tape: Debby, this is actually happening.

Sammo
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:20 PM
Nooooo :lol:

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:21 PM
I don't know what alternate universe you are living in, but tennis is part of the real world, and is a real life situation. :tape: Debby, this is actually happening.

You know what I meant, I am talking about "normal" people who have to go to the office to work.
I think your comparaison of Caro with workers people is kinda wrong.

Lucemferre
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Yes you do, a lot.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by goldenlox http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18987813#post18987813)

She earned the #1 spot. She finished the year with over 8000 points, everyone else was under 7000.

But the absolute elite are measured by slam wins. It's a given that the great players spend some time at #1.

So winning majors should be a goal for Caro.

But that's talking about great players.
For very good players, Caroline at 20 already has accomplished a lot, among them YE #1 for 2010.
To be considered one of the greats, she has to win some majors.
But she knows that, & we know it. So its not news.

In real life, many people earn positions, by being their when the qualified candidate departs. That does not mean that they are qualified to do the job. They are just the best option at the time.


You are absolutely correct, she earned it but she is not qualified for it. That may change, but as of right now, I don't think she is.

Absolute nonsense as usual. Nowhere did goldenlox say she was not qualified. Caro is #1 as a result of her results and best player over the whole year. She qualified for it and earned it. Deal with it.

Matt01
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:48 PM
She's absolutely right here :shrug:

But of course I see that this interview is an excellent opportunity for the haters to bash her again :lol:

Hian
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Putting Schiavone above her as a favorite just makes you crazy. :)

Schiavone > Wozniacki

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:54 PM
Then bet on Fran. Most oddsmakers give you better odds than on Wozniacki.
I think Caroline is saying the right things. If you can get to #1, its a meaningful achievement.
Of course she will try to win majors also. But that's only 8 weeks a year.

Matt01
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Schiavone > Wozniacki


Maybe on clay. But on HC? :happy:

BepaMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:14 PM
This is just pure nonsense. Pushniacki still has a lot to prove. She still needs to prove that she is worthy of her no.1 ranking and that she has what it takes to win a slam. At the moment she is acting just like a bitch, which is only going to increase peoples' hate for her.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:19 PM
This is just pure nonsense. Pushniacki still has a lot to prove. ... which is only going to increase peoples' hate for her.If you mean haters in this forum, nothing she says will change their opinion.
But she is saying the right things. She is the World #1, and won 4 Premiers among other good results to get there

Freakan
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:22 PM
And she's right

mariavikafan
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Of course you do, idiot. And some ppl expect her to win a major:rolleyes:

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:28 PM
This is just pure nonsense. Pushniacki still has a lot to prove. She still needs to prove that she is worthy of her no.1 ranking and that she has what it takes to win a slam. At the moment she is acting just like a bitch, which is only going to increase peoples' hate for her.

She has nothing to prove and especially not for some anonymous cowardly poster calling her a bitch behind their PC.

BepaMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:28 PM
If you mean haters in this forum, nothing she says will change their opinion.
But she is saying the right things. She is the World #1, and won 4 Premiers among other good results to get there

I'm referring to both this forum and the international public.

And she won 4 premiers, all in which Venus, Serena and Justine did not play, some which Clijsters did not play as well. Having said that, she won all those premiers over a very weak field. If the Williams and Belgians had played all of those premiers, would she have won them? If Serena did not injure her foot, would Pushniacki have got to no.1? In summary, she has not proved that she can beat the elite players to be deserving of her no.1 ranking.

Matt01
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:30 PM
I'm referring to both this forum and the international public.

And she won 4 premiers, all in which Venus, Serena and Justine did not play, some which Clijsters did not play as well. Having said that, she won all those premiers over a very weak field. If the Williams and Belgians had played all of those premiers, would she have won them? If Serena did not injure her foot, would Pushniacki have got to no.1? In summary, she has not proved that she can beat the elite players to be deserving of her no.1 ranking.


Would have could have should have...that's all what the haters have :sad:

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:32 PM
I'm referring to both this forum and the international public.

And she won 4 premiers, all in which Venus, Serena and Justine did not play, some which Clijsters did not play as well. Having said that, she won all those premiers over a very weak field. If the Williams and Belgians had played all of those premiers, would she have won them? If Serena did not injure her foot, would Pushniacki have got to no.1? In summary, she has not proved that she can beat the elite players to be deserving of her no.1 ranking.

Ifs and excuses. What matters is results. She got the #1, she won the titles. Deal with it.

BepaMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Would have could have should have...that's all what the haters have :sad:

I'm not a hater:o. I'm just giving my neutral and objective view on the situation.

roelc
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:35 PM
she s absolutely right. she shouldnt care about what others say. in the end she is still no.1
no need to put extra pressure on yourself

mariavikafan
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:36 PM
I'm not a hater:o. I'm just giving my neutral and objective view on the situation.

This, we're not haters why do you want us to hate her she doesn't even have any majors under her belt she is not even a contender at any major, we're just saying the truth but obviously it hurts but it doesn't matter because truth always does.

BepaMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Ifs and excuses. What matters is results. She got the #1, she won the titles. Deal with it.

Safina and Ivanovic also won titles and reached no.1 but look at them right now. You should pray that Pushniacki does not follow in their footsteps. And fyi winning titles is not good enough. She needs to win GRAND SLAM titles to prove herself and right now she has none of them. Deal with it.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:38 PM
:tape:I'm not a hater:o. I'm just giving my neutral and objective view on the situation.

:haha:Neutral and objective? Like when you said she's acting like a bitch.:tape:

Matt01
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I'm not a hater:o. I'm just giving my neutral and objective view on the situation.

:bs:

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Safina and Ivanovic also won titles and reached no.1 but look at them right now. You should pray that Pushniacki does not follow in their footsteps. And fyi winning titles is not good enough. She needs to win GRAND SLAM titles to prove herself and right now she has none of them. Deal with it.

And they also deserved the #1 as the best players over the previous 12 months - not just a few tournaments. They had nothing to prove as far as their #1. No-one can take that achievment away from them and it was totally deserved. Sure they had more to aim for.But where they are now is about as relevant as saying where is Serena now? All players have things to strive for. They may or may not achieve them But what they earned - they earned and have nothing to prove about it.

BepaMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:52 PM
And they also deserved the #1 as the best players over the previous 12 months - not just a few tournaments. They had nothing to prove as far as their #1. No-one can take that away from them and it was totally deserved. Sure they had more to aim for.But where they are now is about as relevant as saying where is Serena now? All players have things to strive for. They may or may not achieve them But what they earned - they earned and have nothing to prove about it.

Yes Caroline has earned the no.1 ranking with her hard work and good performance in tournaments but part of it was also due to Serena being injured and missing 6 months off the tour. She just took advantage of the situation and undeservedly reached no.1. However, though she has reached no.1, her performance at the slams does not equate to her ranking. She has lost to middle tier players Li Na, Schiavone, Mugvitova and Bepa in the slams last year. That is why she still needs to prove to everybody that she is worthy of being the world no.1 by winning slams. Until then, Clijsters/Serena will be the real no.1 in everybody's eyes and Pushniacki can only change that by proving herself.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by terjwAbsolute nonsense as usual. Nowhere did goldenlox say she was not qualified. Caro is #1 as a result of her results and best player over the whole year. She qualified for it and earned it. Deal with it.
:lol::lol::lol::lol: You so quick to try and prove yourself a man on this message board by attacking me, but you fucked yourself up. Of course goldenlox did not say that. I did dumb ass!!!!!!! Reading skills is a must to participate in a message board. I agreed with him that Caro earned the number 1 ranking. *Pay attention here*I just don't think she is qualified for the position. Her results did not happen in a vacuum, there are circumstances surrounding her rise to the number 1 position. I only have issue with people thinking that those circumstances don't matter or did not play a role in her getting to the number 1 position. BTW, I actually enjoy these personal attacks.....they look like acts of desperation. Boy.....you'll be a man soon. Until then, kick rocks.:wavey:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Piotr must've forced her to say this, poor lass :sad:.

Whitehead's Boy
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:59 PM
The argument made here seems to be: Person A accomplished X, therefore she doesn't need to prove anything to justify X. In theory it is correct, in the sense that you cannot take away X from person A... But that's an awfully narrow way to look at the situation.

Sure, if a person becomes President of the United States for example, you can't take away that accomplishment, but once you get to a certain position, it's obvious you have to prove to people you deserve to be there.

IN THEORY, being number 1 is just about having the most points from the last 12 months, but come on, who in the tennis world would hold such a narrow view of the number 1 position. Number 1 also equates being the best. You have to prove that you are the best, if not your position is just a mathematical stat rather than having any meaning. To argue otherwise is just silly.

Derek.
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:02 PM
This will never end. :rolleyes:

Because even if she wins a slam, then she'll be called a one-slam wonder until she wins another. :o

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:03 PM
The argument made here seems to be: Person A accomplished X, therefore she doesn't need to prove anything to justify X. In theory it is correct, in the sense that you cannot take away X from person A... But that's an awfully narrow way to look at the situation.

Sure, if a person becomes President of the United States for example, you can't take away that accomplishment, but once you get to a certain position, it's obvious you have to prove to people you deserve to be there.

IN THEORY, being number 1 is just about having the most points from the last 12 months, but come on, who in the tennis world would hold such a narrow view of the number 1 position. Number 1 also equates being the best. You have to prove that you are the best, if not your position is just a mathematical stat rather than having any meaning. To argue otherwise is just silly.
Thank you!!!1!!!

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by terjw
:lol::lol::lol::lol: You so quick to try and prove yourself a man on this message board by attacking me, but you fucked yourself up. Of course goldenlox did not say that. I did dumb ass!!!!!!! Reading skills is a must to participate in a message board. I agreed with him that Caro earned the number 1 ranking. *Pay attention here*I just don't think she is qualified for the position. Her results did not happen in a vacuum, there are circumstances surrounding her rise to the number 1 position. I only have issue with people thinking that those circumstances don't matter or did not play a role in her getting to the number 1 position. BTW, I actually enjoy these personal attacks.....they look like acts of desperation. Boy.....you'll be a man soon. Until then, kick rocks.:wavey:

Firstly - where is there any personal attack. I just said your post was nonsense as usual. Your post. Not you.

Secondly. You are the one who needs to read your own posts. I was referring to when you said:


You are absolutely correct, she earned it but she is not qualified for it


goldenlox did not say she earned it but is not qualified for it.

Please polish those glasses and read the posts - both yours and mine.

mariavikafan
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:05 PM
Thank you!!!1!!!

+1

supergrunt
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:06 PM
I like that she says this :shrug: .

BepaMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:07 PM
This will never end. :rolleyes:

Because even if she wins a slam, then she'll be called a one-slam wonder until she wins another. :o

Yes but that would at the very least show that she is in some sort of rhythm and can go on to win more, which would somehow prove that she is still slightly deserving of the no.1 ranking.

Besides, by winning a slam, she would surpass Safina and Jankovic:lol:. I'm sure you look at reports and comments all the time and would realise that Ana receives less criticism than Safina and Jankovic, partly due to the fact that she has won a slam.

Onjanae.
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:07 PM
The argument made here seems to be: Person A accomplished X, therefore she doesn't need to prove anything to justify X. In theory it is correct, in the sense that you cannot take away X from person A... But that's an awfully narrow way to look at the situation.

Sure, if a person becomes President of the United States for example, you can't take away that accomplishment, but once you get to a certain position, it's obvious you have to prove to people you deserve to be there.

IN THEORY, being number 1 is just about having the most points from the last 12 months, but come on, who in the tennis world would hold such a narrow view of the number 1 position. Number 1 also equates being the best. You have to prove that you are the best, if not your position is just a mathematical stat rather than having any sense. To argue otherwise is just silly.

I agree with this in part, but you can't compare a tennis player ascending to number one, to a elected official. Caroline isn't Miss WTA 2011 and having to prove why she's number one, at best she can just try to hold on to the number one spot before someone else wrestles it away.

However, while I wouldn't say Caro herself has something to prove (she is just an individual trying her best) - looking at the WTA on a whole, as the current number one - she has to win some big titles soon. The number one player is the representative of the tour. And a representative who can't do what a number one is expected to be doing, highlights and shows the viewing world that the feild is in a poor way. Something is clearly wrong, and it is an embarrassment.

If Caroline doesn't win the AO and remains number one, you'll have to question how much the people supporting her reign on top actually care for the tour. I hope the sponsorship woes they were having have been sorted out.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Firstly - where is there any personal attack. I just said your post was nonsense as usual. Your post. Not you.

Secondly. You are the one who needs to read your own posts. I was referring to when you said:



goldenlox did not say she earned it but is not qualified for it.

Please polish those glasses and read the posts - both yours and mine.
OK..........if you say so. Have a nice day.:wavey:

Onjanae.
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:11 PM
I like that she says this :shrug: .

Well, it's not really the computer's fault. It's Kim and Justine's fault for retiring (facilitating the ascent of Safina, Jankovic and Wozniacki) then coming back without enough clout. Natural order was disrupted and the tour suffered for it.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:19 PM
The argument made here seems to be: Person A accomplished X, therefore she doesn't need to prove anything to justify X. In theory it is correct, in the sense that you cannot take away X from person A... But that's an awfully narrow way to look at the situation.

Sure, if a person becomes President of the United States for example, you can't take away that accomplishment, but once you get to a certain position, it's obvious you have to prove to people you deserve to be there.

IN THEORY, being number 1 is just about having the most points from the last 12 months, but come on, who in the tennis world would hold such a narrow view of the number 1 position. Number 1 also equates being the best. You have to prove that you are the best, if not your position is just a mathematical stat rather than having any meaning. To argue otherwise is just silly.

Well you have to constantly perform as the President of the United States whether you were just elected or have performed brilliantly well in that role in the past. You could say every tennis player from Serena down has to justify themselves because you are only as good as you were in the last year for being #1.

If you don't perform - you slip down the rankings. As simple as that. But it applies to Serena, Caro - everyone. And if the USA President was brilliant for 8 years and then is a complete disaster - he will be out just the same as someone in there for the first time.

What's earned in the past cannot be taken away and does not have to be proved or justified. If you don't improve or slip in the future - you don't get your slam or keep your #1 ranking. As simple as that for all players.

Getting to #1 is not an election where you now have a different job. It is what she's done.

Whitehead's Boy
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:34 PM
The point of the analogy is that when you reach a position, you have to prove at least once that you're worthy of that position. In the tennis world, it translated into winning important tournaments (ie, slams). If not whatever you accomplished is just a result of a math formula.

Being on the defensive and mentioning ad nauseam that she has accomplished X therefore she can just print the ranking and be happy is just a narrow view detached from the big picture. The tennis world is more than a math formula.

Last contribution as from now I feel this will turn into a "I want to bang my head on the wall" discussion going into circles.

Maza1987
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Silly Daughter.

You either prove your good or no good at number 1
now choose. She's getting more ridiculous with her interviews

I know. She's starting to get a little uppity. :lol:

Burisleif
Jan 15th, 2011, 04:55 PM
The point of the analogy is that when you reach a position, you have to prove at least once that you're worthy of that position. In the tennis world, it translated into winning important tournaments (ie, slams). If not whatever you accomplished is just a result of a math formula.

Being on the defensive and mentioning ad nauseam that she has accomplished X therefore she can just print the ranking and be happy is just a narrow view detached from the big picture. The tennis world is more than a math formula.

Last contribution as from now I feel this will turn into a "I want to bang my head on the wall" discussion going into circles.

The analogy was poor. She has proved that based on a sum of a max of 16 tournament scores in a 12 month period, each having points available weighted by entry size, and mandatory or not status, that she amassed the most points, moreover she finished the season having done so. Nothing More Nothing Less. You don't have to be in a cup winning team to be rightfully proud of winning the league, nor do you have to beat all the other teams in the league to win it, or for winning it to mean any more. That's not what a ranking system is for.

She needs to prove that she can handle the #1 position, otherwise she'll be another Safina/Jankovic

She will do that in her own time by amassing points over the season.

The original quote relates to the AO iirc, and as far as the AO goes she has nothing to prove beyond hopefully picking up points. Winning it is not mandatory, Its a desirable achievement, which based on its knockout structure requires a fair amount of luck, and form at the time its played.

Caro has stated clearly that she winning her first slam is her next goal. She also clear stated that be that in the next two weeks or two years dose not matter. Its an honour and accomplishment to win any tournament, and you can't just choose to win.

That's a pretty sane and correct attitude in my humble opinion, and shows that she is fully aware of what is expected of her by the media, but that she will not be drawn into the web the media wants to unjustly set for her.

If she wins great, if not then its on to the next tourney, enjoying every minute.

Juju Nostalgique
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Her psycho isn't doing a good job... :weirdo: She'd better prove that she can win something prestigious or she's done. :weirdo:

Burisleif
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Her psycho isn't doing a good job... :weirdo: She'd better prove that she can win something prestigious or she's done. :weirdo:

Why dose this sound like the kind of low quality motivation techniques that poor quality teachers use on 10 year old kids?

TennisFan66
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Yes Caroline has earned the no.1 ranking with her hard work and good performance in tournaments but part of it was also due to Serena being injured and missing 6 months off the tour. She just took advantage of the situation and undeservedly reached no.1. However, though she has reached no.1, her performance at the slams does not equate to her ranking. She has lost to middle tier players Li Na, Schiavone, Mugvitova and Bepa in the slams last year. That is why she still needs to prove to everybody that she is worthy of being the world no.1 by winning slams. Until then, Clijsters/Serena will be the real no.1 in everybody's eyes and Pushniacki can only change that by proving herself.

You're not by chance Vikapower with a new name? Coz your dribble sounds about the same.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:40 PM
She is #1 & she deserves that, based on 52 weeks.

To be considered an all time great she has to win multiple majors.

To make the HoF, she probably has to win at least 1 major.

But she is 20. Fran won a major at around 30.

Not having a major at 20 doesn't invalidate her ranking.

madmax
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:42 PM
nobody cares how many MM tournies Pushnicki is gonna win in the future - slams is the only indicator of players abilities, men or women. All the players try their best and prepare acocrdingly for those 4 prestigious tournaments, therefore winning at least one of them takes a lot of skill and willpower from any player. Most of the general public doesn't even know tennis exists outside of slams, so when they see a blonde player with very underwhelming game and notice Nr.1 ranking next to her name, they are obviously very confused and start questioning the legitimacy of WTA. Slams is tennis and tennis is slams - it's been this way for decades now and nothing is gonna change in the future.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:48 PM
... Slams is tennis and tennis is slams - it's been this way for decades now and nothing is gonna change in the future.Totally untrue. The best players used to turn pro & be barred from majors, which were shamateur sport. Amateurs, some paid under the table.

The WTA does not run the majors. There are millions & millions of dallars in WTA events.
Kim got to #1 before winning her 1st major. Caroline is 20. Save this hate, if she's slamless at 30

madmax
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Totally untrue. The best players used to turn pro & be barred from majors, which were shamateur sport. Amateurs, some paid under the table.

The WTA does not run the majors. There are millions & millions of dallars in WTA events.
Kim got to #1 before winning her 1st major. Caroline is 20. Save this hate, if she's slamless at 30

you are completely wrong regarding money argument - once again slams offer BY FAR the most money from all professional tournaments to all participants, just like they offer the most points and prestige winning it and imprinting your name in history books. And I don't hate any single player in the world - I'm just expressing my opinion, which differs from yours obviously. I've got better things to do than "hate" some tennis player i've never even met in real life:wavey:

TennisFan66
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:57 PM
you are completely wrong regarding money argument - once again slams offer BY FAR the most money from all professional tournaments to all participants, just like they offer the most points and prestige winning it and imprinting your name in history books. And I don't hate any single player in the world - I'm just expressing my opinion, which differs from yours obviously. I've got better things to do than "hate" some tennis player i've never even met in real life:wavey:

You do? Well, you certainly had me fooled there!

Spiritof42
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:25 PM
nobody cares how many MM tournies Pushnicki is gonna win in the future - slams is the only indicator of players abilities, men or women. All the players try their best and prepare acocrdingly for those 4 prestigious tournaments, therefore winning at least one of them takes a lot of skill and willpower from any player. Most of the general public doesn't even know tennis exists outside of slams, so when they see a blonde player with very underwhelming game and notice Nr.1 ranking next to her name, they are obviously very confused and start questioning the legitimacy of WTA. Slams is tennis and tennis is slams - it's been this way for decades now and nothing is gonna change in the future.
While it's true that the Grand Slams are by far the most high-profile tournaments and that mainstream media and casual viewers pay very little attention to what goes on during the rest of the year, dismissing every non-slam tournament as a meaningless "Mickey Mouse" event that no one cares about is going too far (especially in a forum mostly frequented by hardcore tennis fans ;)). It was easy enough to deride Wozniacki as a "Mickey Mouse Queen" earlier in her career, when she was mostly winning lower tier events, but that's not what got her to the #1 ranking.

GrandMartha
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Of course Wozniacki got alot to prove:
- She has to prove that she deserves to be number 1 in the world and that her talent got her there and not Serena's injury
- She has to prove that the last summer wasn't a fluke and she can keep continue playing at high level all year.
- She has to prove that she can compete with the best players at slams when they're healthy
- She has to prove that she can win slams
....
Serena, Venus, Maria, Justine and Kim are the players who don't need to prove anything because they are all multiple slam winners, proven champions. Wozniacki is miles away from entering their league. When you're not in their league, you have to prove alot.

sammy01
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:23 PM
of course she is going to say that, but you can be sure the sponsors, her camp, her dad, the press and us fans alike are piling on the pressure for her. she knows with each slam that passes and she comes up empty the pressure only grows and the questions only become more regular.

look at clijsters and momo once the press labeled them as chokers/not good enough/unworthy whichever you like, it took huge mental pressures then to prove people wrong.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:37 PM
It helps to win a major early, as a teen, just to get that over with.
But she is 20, & if she doesn't win a major this year, she will be 21 next AO.

So I dont see this pressure. I think there's more pressure on the older players, who have limited time.

TennisFan66
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Funny how its the same usual suspect members, who's always trolling Caro threads to post their turd comments, who's now also the ones seeing sooooooooo much pressure on her :lol:

Wishful thinking much? ..

sammy01
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:52 PM
It helps to win a major early, as a teen, just to get that over with.
But she is 20, & if she doesn't win a major this year, she will be 21 next AO.

So I dont see this pressure. I think there's more pressure on the older players, who have limited time.

i disagree, getting that slam when you are inform and making waves and young is a must. look at dementieva, safina and jj, who would have thought when lena d made 2 slam finals in a year she would never again reach a slam final. or that 3 time slam finalist safina would be looking at being ranked 120 in a couple of weeks time.

Burisleif
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:53 PM
Of course Wozniacki got alot to prove:
- She has to prove that she deserves to be number 1 in the world and that her talent got her there and not Serena's injury
- She has to prove that the last summer wasn't a fluke and she can keep continue playing at high level all year.
- She has to prove that she can compete with the best players at slams when they're healthy
- She has to prove that she can win slams
....
Serena, Venus, Maria, Justine and Kim are the players who don't need to prove anything because they are all multiple slam winners, proven champions. Wozniacki is miles away from entering their league. When you're not in their league, you have to prove alot.

The only thing that need to be concerned about is proving your ability to read and comprehend context related to a quote before jumping into a thread in your usual Caro hater mode.

FYI the Quote relates to the AO.


this won't even be a contest. Wozniacki will ease through in 2. Luckily we still have MSJM and Kim in her half :)

you're a Pushniacki hater :D welcome :wavey::p

Pushniacki and Henin will make the final with Pushniacki winning :sad:

I don't dislike any language but there are some that don't sound nice at all, for example Norwegian, Swedish, Danish...;)

Pushniacki can't beat her even in an exo match :spit:

Wozniacki was also arrogant and illusional in my opinion.How the hell could a player who had never even won a Tier I title claim that she was a "great player".

Her ugly tennis. And as everyone already pointed out: her fake personality.

I hope Wozniacki will fall down in the ranking :devil: and get trashed early in Slams of course :angel:



Where do you find the time?

Burisleif
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:03 PM
i disagree, getting that slam when you are inform and making waves and young is a must. look at dementieva, safina and jj, who would have thought when lena d made 2 slam finals in a year she would never again reach a slam final. or that 3 time slam finalist safina would be looking at being ranked 120 in a couple of weeks time.

Ranking number 1 at 20 makes plenty of waves.

There is no such thing as a must, tennis is still a voluntary occupation, and one that is better to enjoy doing than not. Wining a Slam is great but its definitely not everything... the actual play and process of getting there is far more entertaining. If one player were to win every single slam from now until 2015, where would the entertainment be in that?

Safina had a back injury as well you know.

Break My Rapture
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:09 PM
She has already proven herself as #1. As soon as she bumps into a competent, in-form player with heavy, penetrating shots she's no match. There was a serious lack of those players after the US Open, maybe even after Wimbledon.

sammy01
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:24 PM
Ranking number 1 at 20 makes plenty of waves.

There is no such thing as a must, tennis is still a voluntary occupation, and one that is better to enjoy doing than not. Wining a Slam is great but its definitely not everything... the actual play and process of getting there is far more entertaining. If one player were to win every single slam from now until 2015, where would the entertainment be in that?

Safina had a back injury as well you know.

your post not only has no relation to mine but also to the topic.

if tennis was just about enjoyment and not winning slams or doing the best you can do then why play professionally? as you say no one is forcing any of the girls to compete on the WTA tour so for most of them the reason is either money or accolades.

ask any slam champion if the process of hitting for hours on a practice court or holding up a slam trophy is more enjoyable, i know which my money is on.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:29 PM
..
ask any slam champion if the process of hitting for hours on a practice court or holding up a slam trophy is more enjoyable, i know which my money is on.You're spouting nonsense. Ask any tournament winner if winning is enjoyable, and they'll say yes.
You think every player who didn't win a slam is miserable, & every player who won a slam walks around in euphoric state?

And we are talking about a 20 year old.

sammy01
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:35 PM
You're spouting nonsense. Ask any tournament winner if winning is enjoyable, and they'll say yes.
You think every player who didn't win a slam is miserable, & every player who won a slam walks around in euphoric state?

And we are talking about a 20 year old.

thats not what i said but i don't expect you to understand.

you have to put a lot of hours and hard work in to be in the position caro, kim ect are at the top of womens tennis. the countless hours on the practice courts are to win slams or be the best they can be.

i didn't say the girls don't enjoy being tennis players, but when you get to this level it is about winning and you are foolish if you think otherwise.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:42 PM
Its about winning at every level, especially pro level.
You do your best, win what you can, then move on. No reason to worry about matches that are in the past.

Burisleif
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:42 PM
your post not only has no relation to mine but also to the topic.

if tennis was just about enjoyment and not winning slams or doing the best you can do then why play professionally? as you say no one is forcing any of the girls to compete on the WTA tour so for most of them the reason is either money or accolades.

ask any slam champion if the process of hitting for hours on a practice court or holding up a slam trophy is more enjoyable, i know which my money is on.

Erm, yes it dose. You said it was a must, and then selectively mentioned three individuals who chose there own path. There is no must, no one way to pursue a career. If you can lead your career your own way, then all the better for you. It may not amuse the masses of OCD, tell you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, types, but frankly, who cares.

Every individual is free to set there own goals and pursue them in the manner they chose, where that be to get payed for doing what you love, your way, or sit behind a computer and watch others doing it their own way. at no point is either obliged to the other... Its called a free society. That includes the choice as to wether you give a shit about winning at all costs (pressure) or revel in the process of participation and relish whatever comes your way.

Flavia P.
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Whatever, Caroline. Start talking tough AFTER you win a major.

sammy01
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Erm, yes it dose. You said it was a must, and then selectively mentioned three individuals who chose there own path. There is no must, no one way to pursue a career. If you can lead your career your own way, then all the better for you. It may not amuse the masses of OCD, tell you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, types, but frankly, who cares.

Every individual is free to set there own goals and pursue them in the manner they chose, where that be to get payed for doing what you love, your way, or sit behind a computer and watch others doing it their own way. at no point is either obliged to the other... Its called a free society. That includes the choice as to wether you give a shit about winning at all costs (pressure) or revel in the process of participation and relish whatever comes your way.

ok for you, who not only is annoying me but being a pedantic ****, must didn't mean they HAVE to, but that history and very recent history shows that slams aren't a given, and if players don't strike while the iron is hot then they may never get another chance to.

you are very annoying and odd.

young_gunner913
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:52 PM
You're spouting nonsense. Ask any tournament winner if winning is enjoyable, and they'll say yes.
You think every player who didn't win a slam is miserable, & every player who won a slam walks around in euphoric state?

And we are talking about a 20 year old.

Yes.

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:57 PM
You're spouting nonsense. Ask any tournament winner if winning is enjoyable, and they'll say yes.
You think every player who didn't win a slam is miserable, & every player who won a slam walks around in euphoric state?

And we are talking about a 20 year old.

It is getting really annoying that trend to want everybody to win a Slam in order to be considered as "relevant" ... especially that Caro is only 20, she has plenty of time ahead her, Schiavone won RG at 30/31 :rolleyes:

But don't expect that from Caro haters who are often gloryhunters.

See my sig under that post. I really love what Claycourter wrote in HHQ. So true.
That's why I supported Vaidisova so much despite her lack of success.

Burisleif
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:05 PM
ok for you, who not only is annoying me but being a pedantic ****, must didn't mean they HAVE to, but that history and very recent history shows that slams aren't a given, and if players don't strike while the iron is hot then they may never get another chance to.

you are very annoying and odd.

Must as a noun: A necessary or essential thing.

So now it's my fault you chose that word? :) trust me, your posts are more than sufficient to cause equal annoyance. :)

There may indeed be conventions based on history, but the outcome of a sports event, and or the randomness of possible choice by an individual, would negate that sport can have anything but prearranged convention in play, and likewise rankings, or career.

To say you "must" removes the sport.

TennisFan66
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:10 PM
How many different players have been YE#1? How many different players have won a slam?

Setsuna.
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:33 PM
Poor Caro.:haha:

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:40 PM
The point of the analogy is that when you reach a position, you have to prove at least once that you're worthy of that position. In the tennis world, it translated into winning important tournaments (ie, slams). If not whatever you accomplished is just a result of a math formula.

Being on the defensive and mentioning ad nauseam that she has accomplished X therefore she can just print the ranking and be happy is just a narrow view detached from the big picture. The tennis world is more than a math formula.

Last contribution as from now I feel this will turn into a "I want to bang my head on the wall" discussion going into circles.

I never said that she can just be happy about it and that's all. She has goals and one of them is to win a grand slam. But goals are there all the time whether she's #1 or not. Getting to #1 is an achievement in itself with the results she got and she can be proud of that period. She doesn't have to prove anything as a result of that to justify what she has achieved in any way to anyone.

However - she owes it to herself - as does any other tennis player - to strive to improve and try to accomplish her goals. If she doesn't but gives her all - that's all you can ask. And it's as simple as that. What is ridiculous is putting massive pressure on herself that just because she is #1 she has to win AO to prove something mythical when it's well against the odds and no expert is tipping her to win it anyway.

Setsuna.
Jan 15th, 2011, 09:46 PM
This is just pure nonsense. Pushniacki still has a lot to prove. She still needs to prove that she is worthy of her no.1 ranking and that she has what it takes to win a slam. At the moment she is acting just like a bitch, which is only going to increase peoples' hate for her.

+1

Aravanecaravan
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:07 PM
IMO she deserves the #1 ranking for her consistency. Is she the best player in the world now? Debatable. I don't think so, but it's subjective. The statement in the thread title is silly though, unless she's content with what she achieved and doesn't want anything else. It sounds like something somebody would say to take pressure off of themselves when people ask them when they are going to win a slam. Top players in any sport always have something to prove because the others are always trying to beat them and knock them off the top of the hill. She won't go down in history as a "great" without winning multiple majors, and spending awhile at #1.

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Why would a 20 year old be so concerned with where she is in history? She might play 10-15 more years.
Being the World#1 and being healthy is a good place to be. Might as well enjoy it.

oomph
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Hate to repeat things but it's the insane manner of reaching no. 1 that pisses people off. When you don't even reach a final and a SF is the best you've achieved in slams last year, people will rightfully question your ability.

Pops Maellard
Jan 15th, 2011, 10:35 PM
Hate to repeat things but it's the insane manner of reaching no. 1 that pisses people off. When you don't even reach a final and a SF is the best you've achieved in slams last year, people will rightfully question your ability.

+1 :bowdown:

Zero slam finals on your ranking for a world #1 is just laughable. Even Jankovic and Safina for all their faults, managed that. Caro became #1 mostly by the US Open series, where the sisters and Henin were out injured. She wouldn't even have a slam final to her name ever in the '09 USO draw hadn't allowed her to play Oudin and Wickmayer instead of good players. We could very well have been looking at a #1 who'd never reached a slam final in her whole career. :lol:

munaz
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:12 AM
Jankovic, Safina , Wozniacki..........:yawn:

This debate seems never ending. Non-slam winning number ones will continue to get shit forever or until:

1: one of the current active slam champions get the number ranking back (with the exception of perhaps Ivanovic or Schiavone who will probably still get shit unless they win more slams)
2: some new player actually is able to win slams and hold on to the top spot.

Since I don't see either happening anytime soon (older players to busy/injured/in a funk/lazy etc, and up-coming players just not being good enough), can we please give it a rest. It just gives ammunition to those who don't like the WTA and adds to the derision of the tour by the media/haters. It is what it is.

I say this as a person who agrees that the number one should prove themselves in slams. Ideally.

Wiggly
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Well, she kinda have to prove to her sponsors that she's worth the money.

scoobz
Jan 16th, 2011, 12:32 AM
Good for you sweetie.

We'll be the judge of that though :D

Matt01
Jan 16th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Good for you sweetie.

We'll be the judge of that though :D


What exactly does qualify YOU to be a judge? :p

Roookie
Jan 16th, 2011, 01:13 AM
True. But Caroline is far stronger mentally than the other two.

:bs:


And if you've watched her press conferences, as opposed to Jelena and Dinara whom always sounded defensive, Caroline sounds assertive. Shame really. One of the stronger players mentally, with a lesser game

:rolleyes: where's the strong mentality when it matters?


AO 2009 3-6 6-1 6-2 l. to Dokic
RG 2009 6-7 5-7 l. to Cirstea
WI 2009 4-6 4-6 l. to Lisicki
US 2009 5-7 3-6 l. to Clijsters
AO 2010 4-6 3-6 l. to Na Li
RG 2010 2-6 3-6 l. to Schiavone
WI 2010 2-6 0-6 l. to Kvitova
US 2O10 4-6 3-6 l. to Zvonareva

goldenlox
Jan 16th, 2011, 01:18 AM
If Kim or Vera have a great AO, she'll be #2.
But I expect her to get it back quickly & then 5 months before she has points to defend.
If Caro stays healthy, she should have a long run at #1.

MB.
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:01 AM
People have the right to question her as the "best" (I agree, she's not the best--at least, right now). However, they don't have the right to question her number one ranking.

The #1 ranking =/= the best player on the tour, it means the most points earned the past 365 days.

Le Tenisse
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:03 AM
you go girl!

Le Tenisse
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:08 AM
If people are so shocked because she didnt won a major, why dont the people in the ITF decrease the amount of points in GS or increase it in the WTA events that players like Wozniacki, Safina and JJ play/played so much, That way Kim, Rena and Venus should play a lot more. In the ATP, Roger could never take the luxuries that some women take for granted.

The Dawntreader
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:09 AM
A world number 1 ALWAYS has something to prove. A legitimate one anyway.

Melly Flew Us
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:15 AM
i can't understand why somebody as large as her can't hit the ball harder.

i wish she would hurry up and win a slam.

AcesHigh
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:09 AM
A world number 1 ALWAYS has something to prove. A legitimate one anyway.

No.. she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.

She's the #1. People can say all they want.

I like her thinking... Safina could have had a future but her mentally fragility led to her demise.. she paid too much attention to what people were saying about her.

tinabelz
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:15 AM
Shocked wit Caro's records in Slams.

Dominika23
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:15 AM
WHy is everybody so worry Caroline going get GS or not Like GOd she only 20 yr old the girl got plenty year in her to play tennis and get a grand slam. elena dementieva retire without a grandslam and she one best to do in woman tennis. Man I guess if all it take to be the best tennis is to win a grand slam if a player like Sania Mirza
Win the AO this Year I guess Everyone going be all on her lmao just like everyone think Francesca Schiavone so good now lol.

Dominika23
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:18 AM
Caroline right she dont have nothing to prove to know one the girl one 6 title last year more than anyone other female aint that enough prove lol

tinabelz
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:38 AM
She doesnt, but the media and all the tennis critics w0nt stop till she gets to win one while she's holding the #1 ranking. Thats the way it goes. Sad but true.

GrandMartha
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:28 AM
The only thing that need to be concerned about is proving your ability to read and comprehend context related to a quote before jumping into a thread in your usual Caro hater mode.

FYI the Quote relates to the AO.



Where do you find the time?

First, look at the number of your daily posts and compare it to mine. :tape: Where do you find the time?
Second, you questioned me where I found time to post in Wozniacki related threads, but you had also enough time to scent how many post I've made about her :spit:
Third, you accuse me of being unable to comprehend a text, did you even understand what I posted in this thread? You labelled me a hater, but I neither dissed her nor offended :shrug: I was just expressing my opinion on a topic that everyone is talking about :rolleyes:
Do you look stupid now? :weirdo:

oomph
Jan 16th, 2011, 02:56 PM
:bs:



:rolleyes: where's the strong mentality when it matters?

It was there....

She just isn't good enough.

She IS one of the most tough people on tour, mentally.

People have the right to question her as the "best" (I agree, she's not the best--at least, right now). However, they don't have the right to question her number one ranking.

The #1 ranking =/= the best player on the tour, it means the most points earned the past 365 days.

True this.

No.. she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone.

She's the #1. People can say all they want.

Oh shut up you maggot. :lol:

WHy is everybody so worry Caroline going get GS or not Like GOd she only 20 yr old the girl got plenty year in her to play tennis and get a grand slam. elena dementieva retire without a grandslam and she one best to do in woman tennis. Man I guess if all it take to be the best tennis is to win a grand slam if a player like Sania Mirza
Win the AO this Year I guess Everyone going be all on her lmao just like everyone think Francesca Schiavone so good now lol.

Everyone knows that Schiavone's win was a fluke. :lol:

And the age thing would matter if she had any game to speak of (like Azarenka) But she doesn't. Hence, the age thing doesn't really matter.

Graf~Dokic
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:15 PM
Of course Wozniacki has something to prove: That she's able to win a slam. :lol:

Ryan
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:24 PM
:bs:



:rolleyes: where's the strong mentality when it matters?


AO 2009 3-6 6-1 6-2 l. to Dokic
RG 2009 6-7 5-7 l. to Cirstea
WI 2009 4-6 4-6 l. to Lisicki
US 2009 5-7 3-6 l. to Clijsters
AO 2010 4-6 3-6 l. to Na Li
RG 2010 2-6 3-6 l. to Schiavone
WI 2010 2-6 0-6 l. to Kvitova
US 2O10 4-6 3-6 l. to Zvonareva



This is a good point - its a shame most people don't want to talk statistics. That is definitely Caro's weakness right now - not being able to mount a challenge in the Slams when she's being outplayed. In regular tour matches she is very strong mentally, but in Slams she definitely needs to work on winning matches she should (virtually every loss there except Kimmy and Vera) and regrouping when she's being blown apart.

I'm hoping this changes in 2011. She really has got to prove (I'm glad she doesn't say she needs to, but in reality she probably knows she does) she can consistently threaten in Slams. Even QF's would be good right now - she's young, and has plenty of time to win Slams - but winning those 4th rounds would be a nice step right now.

TennisFan66
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Shocked wit Caro's records in Slams.

Congratulations on coming out of the coma. How long were you away for?

tinabelz
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:31 PM
LoL. a year. Just started watching tennis towards the end of 2010. :)

DownInAHole
Jan 16th, 2011, 03:51 PM
This is a good point - its a shame most people don't want to talk statistics. That is definitely Caro's weakness right now - not being able to mount a challenge in the Slams when she's being outplayed. In regular tour matches she is very strong mentally, but in Slams she definitely needs to work on winning matches she should (virtually every loss there except Kimmy and Vera) and regrouping when she's being blown apart.

I'm hoping this changes in 2011. She really has got to prove (I'm glad she doesn't say she needs to, but in reality she probably knows she does) she can consistently threaten in Slams. Even QF's would be good right now - she's young, and has plenty of time to win Slams - but winning those 4th rounds would be a nice step right now.

I agree. I'm sure most people will consider anything other than a win in Melbourne a failure but I think it will be good enough if she makes the quarters which she has never done before. The same applies to Roland Garros and Wimbledon. If she does better than she did previously then I think that should be good enough. Of course by that logic she needs to win the US Open this year which will be difficult but she can and should be regularly making the quarters or better in all of the slams.

She absolutely does have to stop losing to the "lesser" players in the slams. I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of to lose to Kim or Vera but those other types of losses need to be avoided in the future.

franny
Jan 16th, 2011, 04:52 PM
You know, I feel like we've heard the same thing over and over again from all these girls who hit number 1 without really first having won a slam or even dominated at the non-majors. First it was Safina. Then it was Jankovic. And now Wozniacki -they all say the same thing, which is that they deserve their rankings and that they have nothing to prove. I wonder if it will be better for these girls to just openly admit that they do have something to prove and that they are hellbent on doing it instead of trying to portray to the world that they do not feel any pressure. I think that accepting and embracing the pressure is a lot better than trying to just shrug it off. Because you can try to shrug it off as much as you can, and you can try to convince yourself that there's no pressure on you, but at the end of the day, we all know that these girls are competitors who want to prove to the world that they are the best. So just stop saying shit like, "I don't need to prove anything" and start saying shit like, "you know what, I'm number 1 because I am the best. I know people think I need a slam to deserve my ranking, so you know what, a slam I will win!"

Vikapower
Jan 16th, 2011, 05:19 PM
In the ATP, Roger could never take the luxuries that some women take for granted.
:lol: The competitivity of the ATP and WTA aren't the same and Rodg can't permit to play lazy because he'd be fastly out of the game (...) In WTA there's no need to have crazy talent or plain talent to dominate the mental midgets and ballbashers of this world e.g. Woz.
i can't understand why somebody as large as her can't hit the ball harder.

i wish she would hurry up and win a slam.
This isn't a question of being large, Sunshine Caro has the crappiest technique and offensive footwork in whole of the WTA and it's certainly not with a junior's technique she's going to own the majors.

Pops Maellard
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:13 PM
I agree. I'm sure most people will consider anything other than a win in Melbourne a failure but I think it will be good enough if she makes the quarters which she has never done before. The same applies to Roland Garros and Wimbledon. If she does better than she did previously then I think that should be good enough. Of course by that logic she needs to win the US Open this year which will be difficult but she can and should be regularly making the quarters or better in all of the slams.

She absolutely does have to stop losing to the "lesser" players in the slams. I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of to lose to Kim or Vera but those other types of losses need to be avoided in the future.

You know we have a crisis on our hands when people are happy enough with the #1 player just making quarters at slams. :lol:

RenaSlam.
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:14 PM
:tape: :tape: :tape:

Not even God can help this girl.

TennisFan66
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:36 PM
This isn't a question of being large, Sunshine Caro has the crappiest technique and offensive footwork in whole of the WTA and it's certainly not with a junior's technique she's going to own the majors.

As Caro is WTA #1, what does that say about all the players ranked below her?

MaBaker
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:40 PM
As Caro is WTA #1, what does that say about all the players ranked below her?
That they don't play 346432 tournaments during one season.

TennisFan66
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:42 PM
That they don't play 346432 tournaments during one season.

Thats a high number. You think you got it right? ... and if its just a matter of playing a few tournaments more to get to WTA #1, if I was a WTA player, I think I would do that. But thats just me.

Jorn
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Playing 40+ tournaments like Sandra Z. don't matter when only the 16 Bests counts, Caro only has 22 in the rankings.


If she can prove she can be GS winner, she just need to prove she can win more... :o It never ends...

goldenlox
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Caro went 33-4 after Wimbledon in 2010. That's in about 4 months. Around 1 loss a month.
Until other players start to win a lot of matches, they're going to be below her in the rankings.

duhcity
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:50 PM
:bs:



:rolleyes: where's the strong mentality when it matters?


AO 2009 3-6 6-1 6-2 l. to Dokic
RG 2009 6-7 5-7 l. to Cirstea
WI 2009 4-6 4-6 l. to Lisicki
US 2009 5-7 3-6 l. to Clijsters
AO 2010 4-6 3-6 l. to Na Li
RG 2010 2-6 3-6 l. to Schiavone
WI 2010 2-6 0-6 l. to Kvitova
US 2O10 4-6 3-6 l. to Zvonareva

Strong Mentality doesn't mean a strong game. Feel like that was pretty clear :wavey::wavey::wavey:


The problem comes back to the fact that 3 of the top 5 women don't play enough. Kim and Serena had legitimate injuries. They were out for a substantial part of the year, and can't be the top player of the year if they were. Venus didn't play out of preservation, and if she doesn't play she shouldn't be #1. And even if these three were healthy, they play extremely abbreviated tour schedules.

On the ATP, to find any player who played fewer than 19 tournaments last year, you'd have to go to the world #73 Ivo Karlovic.

TennisFan66
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Playing 40+ tournaments like Sandra Z. don't matter when only the 16 Bests counts, Caro only has 22 in the rankings.


If she can prove she can be GS winner, she just need to prove she can win more... :o It never ends...

How much you wanna bet, when Caro wins her first Slam, this board will be full of 'one slam wonder' comments? :lol: All the way up to winning No 2. Then it'll be 'Oh but she doesnt have # like ZYX' .. Indeed, it will never end .. but the journey has been a great one so far!!!

Corswandt
Jan 16th, 2011, 06:58 PM
You know we have a crisis on our hands when people are happy enough with the #1 player just making quarters at slams. :lol:

Yeah, that. I hear this time and again. So listen up, Carotards: you can't claim your queen's #1 ranking is deserved, and then make excuses and dismiss the rest of us as WUMs and h8t0rz when we point out that she has failed to live up to her seeding at every GS played in 2010. If she's indeed the Undisputed World #1, then anything less than a title here at this very AO is A FAILURE. Get it?

TennisFan66
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:01 PM
^^ No, I dont get it... I only read on GM how poor, horrible, talentless, lucky, etc Caro is, so why would you expect her to to win anything? She must have lucked them 60+ match wins last year and there's probably something wrong with this computer, which randomly put her at #1 ..

goldenlox
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:04 PM
#1 is a ranking for 52 weeks, not a mandate to win a major.
Nadal wasn't #1 seed at how many FO's that he won? 4? It's a 52 week ranking.

It's not a failure to make the SF of a major, which Caroline did in the last major.

Corswandt
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:14 PM
And another thing.

Re: the interview posted in the OP, of course Sunshine has everything to prove.

This also highlights an issue specific to WTAW/TF. The "You can't argue against results" mantra so prevalent here leads to all kinds of fallacies being taken as fact, and to many obviously correct conclusions not being stated as often as they should.

Fallacies:

- the "improvements" that Wozniacki was/is supposed to bring to her drearily predictable, crudely one-dimensional and unwatchable game. Over the past year or so, I see fuck all improvement. Just a hard working, resilient athlete of limited abilities playing the same old shit to the very best of her abilities, and still coming up short when it really mattered.

- Wozniacki's mental strength. How many sets and matches has she failed to serve out in her career after not being broken even once up until then? How many times has her FH fallen apart in high stakes matches?

Obvious truths:

- Caroline Wozniacki is the least talented player - by far, and this includes #8-12 range talent Safina - to ever make it to world #1. Unless scheduling cleverly to avoid the elite players suddenly began being acknowledged as "talent".

- The woefully low entertainment value of Wozniacki's game. If you happen to be a fan, fine, but then you must own up to not giving a shit about the actual tennis being played and being satisfied with having your favourite player winning regardless of the quality of the matches.

AcesHigh
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:17 PM
How much you wanna bet, when Caro wins her first Slam, this board will be full of 'one slam wonder' comments? :lol: All the way up to winning No 2. Then it'll be 'Oh but she doesnt have # like ZYX' .. Indeed, it will never end .. but the journey has been a great one so far!!!

Exactly. She has a ton of people who just can't stand her and that won't change even if she wins a slam. If she does, it was because she's lucky.. if she wins 2.. it was this era sucks.

Corswandt
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:17 PM
#1 is a ranking for 52 weeks, not a mandate to win a major.

Fine.

Then let's stop using the rankings as a gauge of tennis players' actual skill levels. Let's use something else instead, like say Grand Slam wins.

goldenlox
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:19 PM
I like that style of play. It's much more interesting for me than watching players hit into the doubles alley for no reason, except they are trying to end the point.

And she is YE #1 forever. That's in the record books. How much it means, just like how much winning one major means, people can debate all they want.

TennisFan66
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:24 PM
If I had my tennis knowledge from Xbox, I too would prefer the ball bashers. Everyone knows you need to hit winnings left, right and center to win a game there!!

hablo
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:27 PM
How times have changed.

I still remember when Momo and Clijsters got dissed for not winning slams before they reached #1... I'm sure glad they did though!!! :tape:

Anyhow, who knew this would become a regular affair on the WTA?! :spit:

PLP
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:27 PM
I agree, Caroline has something to prove, but to HERSELF, not to us. :lol:

Only she knows what she is truly capable of, and trying to win a major to prove she is the real #1, for the sake of everyone else is never going to work, she seems to know this. She needs to keep improving her game, play as well as she can, and then the results will come.
I think she has a good attitude, and I think it is real.

Lucemferre
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:28 PM
Why is this thread still going on? It doesn't matter what she feels but Caro has a lot to prove. 'I have nothing to prove' is something Federer,Nadal,Serena can say not Caroline.

DownInAHole
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:34 PM
You know we have a crisis on our hands when people are happy enough with the #1 player just making quarters at slams. :lol:

I completely see your point. She is ranked number one and a quarterfinal would be disappointing but at the same time she has never made it past the fourth round in Australia. To go from the fourth round the year before to winning the next year is a pretty big jump. That doesn't mean that it can't be done but it's also expecting a lot. For me as a fan of Caroline if she is showing steady improvement that is enough for me. Of course ultimately I want to see her win some slams but I don't think that necessarily needs to happen in Melbourne or even this year. If she keeps improving and getting better results then eventually she will win a slam but if she never wins a slam I'll still be a fan.

The Dawntreader
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:39 PM
LOL at people saying she is beyond judgement now and the need to prove herself. Even if she had 12345 slams, she'd still be expected and scrutinised to the edge of her ability.

Becoming number 1 is just the tip of the iceberg. Do you think Seles or Graf ever felt no pressure at number 1? Of course not. The pressure and expectation from others should be fuelling the ambition even more.

But of course...... this is Wozniacki.

Matt01
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Yeah, that. I hear this time and again. So listen up, Carotards: you can't claim your queen's #1 ranking is deserved, and then make excuses and dismiss the rest of us as WUMs and h8t0rz when we point out that she has failed to live up to her seeding at every GS played in 2010. If she's indeed the Undisputed World #1, then anything less than a title here at this very AO is A FAILURE. Get it?


What kind of twisted logic is that :bs:

terjw
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:54 PM
Fine.

Then let's stop using the rankings as a gauge of tennis players' actual skill levels. Let's use something else instead, like say Grand Slam wins.

The rankings are a measure of ability. But a measure over a whole year - not just a couple of months. Other players are better than Caro going into a tournament or at their peak. But then they were not able to keep that level up, were not fit enough or got injured over a whole 12 months. It's like the difference betwwen the best marathon runner and the best 100m sprinter. Yes thr best 100m sprinter is the fastest person on the planet. But they wouldn't win a marathon.

A marthon winner isn't told they have to prove themselves by winning the 100 meters.That is basically your logic with Caro.

Not sure if we had rankings based just on Slams in the last 12 months does give you the best players anyway. Taking a ranking system which goes on slam wins, then finals, them semis etc gives a ranking list:

Serena
Kim
Fran
Vera
Sam
JustineIf they had such an official ranking - it needs to be in addition to the existing ranking. But there'd be arguments with that list so I don't think it would solve anything.

terjw
Jan 16th, 2011, 07:59 PM
I agree, Caroline has something to prove, but to HERSELF, not to us. :lol:

Only she knows what she is truly capable of, and trying to win a major to prove she is the real #1, for the sake of everyone else is never going to work, she seems to know this. She needs to keep improving her game, play as well as she can, and then the results will come.
I think she has a good attitude, and I think it is real.

Exactly.

Serena y Monica
Jan 16th, 2011, 10:00 PM
Denying the obvious doesn't lessen the pressure... I'd say it does the opposite. She should admit she likes her game at the moment and will take each match as it comes...much more honest.

Serena y Monica
Jan 16th, 2011, 10:06 PM
Exactly.


I think you are as silly as she is. She's not playing for herself...she is playing for glory and fame...only fans can give her that. I hate watching her play and pray Kim Venus Vika Vera hell even Justine will step up and put a end to this Caro madness.

terjw
Jan 16th, 2011, 10:50 PM
I think you are as silly as she is. She's not playing for herself...she is playing for glory and fame...only fans can give her that. I hate watching her play and pray Kim Venus Vika Vera hell even Justine will step up and put a end to this Caro madness.

And you known her personally to be an authority on what she thinks and that she's not playing for herself :lol::wavey:

AcesHigh
Jan 16th, 2011, 11:30 PM
I think you are as silly as she is. She's not playing for herself...she is playing for glory and fame...only fans can give her that. I hate watching her play and pray Kim Venus Vika Vera hell even Justine will step up and put a end to this Caro madness.

:lol: She is playing for herself. She plays it b/c hopefully she likes playing and she likes winning.

Personally, if I was Caro I'd be happy to make all of you people pissed.

sammy01
Jan 16th, 2011, 11:54 PM
The rankings are a measure of ability. But a measure over a whole year - not just a couple of months. Other players are better than Caro going into a tournament or at their peak. But then they were not able to keep that level up, were not fit enough or got injured over a whole 12 months. It's like the difference betwwen the best marathon runner and the best 100m sprinter. Yes thr best 100m sprinter is the fastest person on the planet. But they wouldn't win a marathon.

A marthon winner isn't told they have to prove themselves by winning the 100 meters.That is basically your logic with Caro.

Not sure if we had rankings based just on Slams in the last 12 months does give you the best players anyway. Taking a ranking system which goes on slam wins, then finals, them semis etc gives a ranking list:

Serena
Kim
Fran
Vera
Sam
JustineIf they had such an official ranking - it needs to be in addition to the existing ranking. But there'd be arguments with that list so I don't think it would solve anything.


not in a fair way. if you have a ranking system where kim plays 12 tournaments and caro plays 22 and it is divised the way it is then it isn't a fair way of judging ability.

slams is an even playing field and winning 7 matches in a row is the only way you can win one. you cant add extra tournaments, play more matches ect.

Thkmra
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:07 AM
I think you are as silly as she is. She's not playing for herself...she is playing for glory and fame...only fans can give her that. I hate watching her play and pray Kim Venus Vika Vera hell even Justine will step up and put a end to this Caro madness.

EXACTLY!!! Some people don't know whether they are coming, or going I tell ya!!:o

After all, this is A SPORT, she isn't playing for the love of it, she is playing for the 'Fame, and Glory' as you stated...else get off the tour, and play in your back yard for your family members,and stop embarrassing the tour!!:(

goldenlox
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:15 AM
She is 20 years old. Instead of being in college, she is ranked #1 and making tens of millions.
Of course she should enjoy it! She is still trying to improve & win, like everyone else.

Slutati
Jan 17th, 2011, 12:34 AM
She is absolutely right, she has nothing to prove. Especially not to a bunch of losers from TF :lol: Go girl, you'll get that slam!

tinabelz
Jan 17th, 2011, 02:26 PM
I agree with Franny's post. Embrace the challenge, its much m0re better to hear that than say u d0nt have to prove anything. all players who play in the tour wants to prove themselves, or else why would u be busting your ass up everyday.

Super Dave
Jan 17th, 2011, 02:38 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1649456 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1649456/numberone.html)

GoofyDuck
Jan 17th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Game, set and mats not fan of Caro..

you do have something to proof!!! :help:

tennisbum79
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:09 PM
This brings back memories of Safina as #1.
Exactly, it feels like groundhog day.
If I am not mistaken, even the quote could be identical.

If Caro had a goofy brother to lend her support during press conference.

Apoleb
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:17 PM
You know it's always funny when mediocre players reach #1 (Safina, JJ, Wozniacki) and start thinking they're the shit.. and then putting themselves under the pressure by justifying how they ended up there and how they deserve it. It ends up hurting them in the long run. It's much better for themselves if they just admit that the only way to really corroborate that #1 ranking is by winning a major.

tennisbum79
Jan 17th, 2011, 05:30 PM
I think you are as silly as she is. She's not playing for herself...she is playing for glory and fame...only fans can give her that. I hate watching her play and pray Kim Venus Vika Vera hell even Justine will step up and put a end to this Caro madness.
Agree. There is no professional athlete who play their sport for themselves or family only.
Regardless of the sport, pro-athletes have a ego and competiveness above your average individual.
Yes, it is true they play the sport because they like it and are good at it, but foremost, they would like to be regonized and respected by their peers and the fan for their achievments.

If they were satisfied just playing for themsleves, they could limit their participation to re-creation level with their family and friend... and not turn pro.

RenaSlam.
Jan 17th, 2011, 06:01 PM
You know it's always funny when mediocre players reach #1 (Safina, JJ, Wozniacki) and start thinking they're the shit.. and then putting themselves under the pressure by justifying how they ended up there and how they deserve it. It ends up hurting them in the long run. It's much better for themselves if they just admit that the only way to really corroborate that #1 ranking is by winning a major.

This. Brillant

Serena y Monica
Jan 17th, 2011, 08:51 PM
And you known her personally to be an authority on what she thinks and that she's not playing for herself :lol::wavey:


Don't need to know her personally. People are people... I know we like to think we are all unique but we are NOT... The brain is wired the same in all of us. She's a competitor. She is not playing for self...she is playing to win and winning means being the best...she is not the BEST...she knows this. So when she says she has nothing to prove then u can bet she is not being honest. She is simply trying to avoid the pressure. Denial is never healthy and unless she wins a slam...and I mean this year, she will unravel just like Dinara and Jelena. More so because at least Dinara had the game to beat any player as did/does Kim...Jelena and Caro...not so much.

goldenlox
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:01 PM
She is ranked #1 NOW. So that's how she answers. All the majors that have been, are in the past.
She is 20 with maybe dozens of majors to be played in her future.
Everyone has to prove they can win them. She's going to play in a lot more of them than the older players.

DownInAHole
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Don't need to know her personally. People are people... I know we like to think we are all unique but we are NOT... The brain is wired the same in all of us. She's a competitor. She is not playing for self...she is playing to win and winning means being the best...she is not the BEST...she knows this. So when she says she has nothing to prove then u can bet she is not being honest. She is simply trying to avoid the pressure but denial is never healthy and unless she wins a slam...and I mean this year she will unravel just like Dinara and Jelena. More so cause at least Dinara had the game to beat any player as did/does Kim...Jelena and Caro...not so much.

Maybe, but maybe not. There's absolutely no way you can know what will happen in the future. It seems very likely that someday there will be a player that reaches number one without a slam that does not crack under the pressure.

You don't think that Jelena has/had the game to beat anyone? Take a look at her head to head against the top players over the last five years. As long as that player's first name is not Justine Jelena can beat them.

Serena y Monica
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:10 PM
She is ranked #1 NOW. So that's how she answers. All the majors that have been, are in the past.
She is 20 with maybe dozens of majors to be played in her future.
Everyone has to prove they can win them. She's going to play in a lot more of them than the older players.

No one is denying this. But to say she has nothing to prove is beyond belief. She has everything to prove and despite my dislike of her game I hope she proves it. Who wants to see another Dinara...unfortunately for Caro her abilities are limited and she will need HELP to win a slam...Franny proves it can happen and maybe lightening does strike twice.

Serena y Monica
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Maybe, but maybe not. There's absolutely no way you can know what will happen in the future. It seems very likely that someday there will be a player that reaches number one without a slam that does not crack under the pressure.

You don't think that Jelena has/had the game to beat anyone? Take a look at her head to head against the top players over the last five years. As long as that player's first name is not Justine Jelena can beat them.

I have no way of knowing what's going to happen but I have every way of knowing the human psyche. I will put my money on the odds. Odds are that a pro athlete who reaches the pinnacle of their sport without feeling worthy will crack under the pressure of trying to prove it. Now I'm not saying that she will never win a slam...she may...but with the limits of her game...she knows she is not the best player on tour and that makes it even more likely she will feel pressure of trying to prove she is what she evidently is not...THE BEST...i.e #1. Call it a ranking all you want but the connotation of the ranking isn't gonna change.

bobcat
Jan 17th, 2011, 09:50 PM
I agree with others who say it would lessen the pressure on her if she would just admit she's not the best player now and that #1 ranking is almost meaningless when all the best players only play part time.

Burisleif
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:00 PM
Don't need to know her personally. People are people... I know we like to think we are all unique but we are NOT... The brain is wired the same in all of us.

The basic structure of the mind is mostly the same (not always) but to suggest all minds are the same is false, and couldn't be further from the truth. A quick scan of this thread alone demonstrates that quite clearly.

I have no way of knowing what's going to happen but I have every way of knowing the human psyche. I will put my money on the odds. Odds are that a pro athlete who reaches the pinnacle of their sport without feeling worthy will crack under the pressure of trying to prove it. Now I'm not saying that she will never win a slam...she may...but with the limits of her game...she knows she is not the best player on tour and that makes it even more likely she will feel pressure of trying to prove she is what she evidently is not...THE BEST...i.e #1. Call it a ranking all you want but the connotation of the ranking isn't gonna change.

Again you make huge assumptions about Caro. The very fact that i completely disagree with you illustrates amply that any assumptions you'r making are conjecture. Further, you make assumptions about her potential, and how she relates to it, understands it, and where it can go.

For somebody that claims to understand the human psyche, I'm confused by your replies, and at your ignoring the many other factors that shape what we become as individuals.

Dose she "have" to win the Australian open to justify amassing more points in 2010 than any other participating player?

Simple answer...

No.

Dose she think that holding the number one ranking means she is the best player in the world?

In her own words...

No.

Dose she know that her game style requires match time to click?

Yes.

Dose the fact that she plays smart tennis that frustrates her opponents with subtlety that many can't recognise, annoy and frustrate, a fair few fans of underachieving players on TF?

Absolutely.

goldenlox
Jan 17th, 2011, 11:13 PM
People are out of their minds with this negativity.
Caro and Vera are very happy with their ranking.
And they should be.