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Tech1
Jan 14th, 2011, 07:39 AM
Winner, sleeper and early exit:

http://espn.go.com/sports/tennis/picks

mariavikafan
Jan 14th, 2011, 07:44 AM
Clijsters:worship: but now you have to win the title:devil:

Lin Lin
Jan 14th, 2011, 07:46 AM
"Expert"?It's an overrated name.:shrug:

Dani12
Jan 14th, 2011, 08:30 AM
Wow....safe picks much. Why is Justine a sleeper? :lol:

Freshi
Jan 14th, 2011, 08:34 AM
there is definitely a Belgian final

matthias
Jan 14th, 2011, 08:36 AM
wickmayer as sleeper? she will be a early exit

Polikarpov
Jan 14th, 2011, 08:42 AM
Kamakshi Tandon...expert.:spit::happy:

Kvitova's picture looks creepy in that chart. But Juicetine and Sexlana are just :drool:

ZODIAC
Jan 14th, 2011, 09:20 AM
well their favorite looks like the pressure of being favored is getting to her.I think they have jinxed Kim..

Mary Cherry.
Jan 14th, 2011, 09:22 AM
For a brief second I thought that picture of Ferrer was Michael Jackson.

ElusiveChanteuse
Jan 14th, 2011, 09:27 AM
Picking Venus to lose early.:spit: :p even Bepa.:rolls:

Potato
Jan 14th, 2011, 09:31 AM
JJ's mugshot :scared:

doooma6816
Jan 14th, 2011, 12:35 PM
Wow. Everybody picked Clijsters....

Frontin
Jan 14th, 2011, 12:45 PM
Yay. Nole has the same amount of votes as Roger and Rafa.

And Henin a sleeper? Isn't she 2nd favorite with the bookies... lol

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 14th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Venus won't lose early! Schiavone hmm 50/50, but i think she should make it till the 4th round. Bepa?? maybe the person who voted for her didn't see her draw:lol: unless they think she will lose to bojo, but experience should see vera prevail in that match.

Uranium
Jan 14th, 2011, 01:14 PM
This was before the draw, just to let everyone know;)

pedropt
Jan 14th, 2011, 01:23 PM
WTF Justine a sleeper :rolls:

So Disrespectful
Jan 14th, 2011, 01:29 PM
How boring. I'd rather them each have 5 picks.

Mightymirza
Jan 14th, 2011, 01:53 PM
Kamakshi Tandon...expert.:spit::happy:

Kvitova's picture looks creepy in that chart. But Juicetine and Sexlana are just :drool:

I know.. :o but Wilansky's choices are evn more :smash: WTF :lol:

justineheninfan
Jan 14th, 2011, 02:15 PM
Venus often loses early at the Australian Open. And she is now 30 and hasnt played much since the U.S Open. Add to that she potentially has Sharapova in the round of 16. And some of you are so surprised some are picking her to lose early as if it is an absurd prediction, LOL!

ZODIAC
Jan 14th, 2011, 03:56 PM
Venus often loses early at the Australian Open. And she is now 30 and hasnt played much since the U.S Open. Add to that she potentially has Sharapova in the round of 16. And some of you are so surprised some are picking her to lose early as if it is an absurd prediction, LOL!so Justine who is in Venus age group and has not played in a long time has a better chance than the american:rolleyes:what has 30yrs got to do with anything remember she did a lot better than a lot of young folk by reaching the semis of USA Open.Sharapova is slower than Venus and who knows she might lose before 4th rd,she has already lost to a 31yr old just recently:p

FaceyFacem
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:01 PM
the espn picks "rules" are that sleeper just has to be outside the top 10, so justine fits

HCGHolland
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Sharapova is a sleeper,
for the first time in years she is not mentioned by an expert..

Uranium
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Venus often loses early at the Australian Open. And she is now 30 and hasnt played much since the U.S Open. Add to that she potentially has Sharapova in the round of 16. And some of you are so surprised some are picking her to lose early as if it is an absurd prediction, LOL!

4/11 is not often. And the 4th round loss in 2005 wasn't a bad loss because it was to Molik who was playing great within the past year.

justineheninfan
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:14 PM
4/11 is not often. And the 4th round loss in 2005 wasn't a bad loss because it was to Molik who was playing great within the past year.

Since 2003 though:

2004- loses to Raymond 3rd round (early loss and bad loss)

2005- loses 4th round to Molik

2006- loses 1st round to Pironkova (early loss and bad loss)

2008- loses to Ivanovic in quarters

2009- loses 2nd or 3rd round to Saurez Navarro I think it was (early loss and bad loss)

2010- loses to Li Na in quarters

So atleast 3 of the last 6 years (so minimum half of the last 7-8 years time span) she played are losses in the first 3 rounds and very bad losses. Molik is somewhere in between I guess. Li Na was not an early loss but a bit of a bad loss. In fact even Ivanovic is sort of a bad loss for Venus on hard courts and the Australian Open is probably the only place it would happen.

So change my statement to since 2003 and it would be factually correct. Obviously 99-2003 was a whole different phase of her career and an extremely long time ago.

justineheninfan
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:25 PM
so Justine who is in Venus age group and has not played in a long time has a better chance than the american:rolleyes:

Of course Justine has a better chance at this particular slam. Hello, Justine was the runner up last year, losing to Serena in 3 sets. :rolleyes: And since Venus's last time even past the quarters here (way back in 2003) Justine has been to the finals 3 times and won the title here. Yes I wonder who has the better chance of the two, only a fan of Justine could ever think it is her, LOL! Check out their respective odds with the bookies while you are it.

what has 30yrs got to do with anything

Do you want me to post a list of the # of 30+ slam winners of the last 20 years, never mind the ones who have never won a particular slam.

remember she did a lot better than a lot of young folk by reaching the semis of USA Open.

Venus at the U.S Open is totally different than the Australian Open.

Sharapova is slower than Venus and who knows she might lose before 4th rd,she has already lost to a 31yr old just recently:p

First off I did not say Venus had no chance this year, especialy with how wide open it is (though her winning the title would be a big surprise still). However the idea it is a ridiculous or extremely strange prediction for her to lose early as some seem to think I find :lol: . Fact is atleast half of the last 8 years when she has played the Australian Open (6 times) are early losses to quite weak opponents, and in fact arguably none of her showings here since 2003 are respectable efforts for a player of her caliber given who she lost to, or at most 1 or 2. Yet as she is advancing in age, has a draw that pits her against Sharapova potentially in the round of 16, and people think it is ridiculous some experts are picking her to lose early. I find that funny. It seems natural some will reach that conclusion.

As for Sharapova I agree she is no sure bet either. In fact she too I could easily see losing before the round of 16. And if that match happens on a hard court, especialy in Australia which is not Venus's court over the years, pretty much anything could happen. However Maria's head to head with Venus on hard courts over the year is in Maria's favor (Venus has walloped her on grass), so definitely a very tough match for Venus if it happens, especialy at an event that hasnt been her favorite.

tennnisfannn
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:32 PM
Venus is not surprising at all, she loses to some of the most random players. That being said let's not lose sight of the fact that she did not play a single match from wimbledon till the USO and had Kim on the ropes and if she had held her nerve for that tie break who knows. This is not a what if comment, but her s/f at the uso surprised me. So between wimby and now she has only played one tournament, is that enough???
Being 30 does not mean anything, just last year, schavone on the eve of her 30th birthday won the FO- need I say more?
justine should be a co-fav for the title.

justineheninfan
Jan 14th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Venus definitely should have beaten Kim at the U.S Open last year. That match was so frusterating to watch.

Wiggly
Jan 14th, 2011, 05:09 PM
It tells a lot that everybody picked Clijsters. Everybody.
Also, only one man was appears twice as a sleeper.

Aeroboy
Jan 14th, 2011, 07:50 PM
SI's "Expert" Picks:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/tennis/01/13/australian.open.womens.picks/index.html

At least some of them didn't go with Clijsters, lol.

Brave souls.

Aeroboy
Jan 14th, 2011, 07:59 PM
also: how much more hilarious are the pics on SI?!?!

Redic.

ZODIAC
Jan 14th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Venus will have the last laugh

Pops Maellard
Jan 14th, 2011, 11:38 PM
They're all writing Vee off. :tears:

Roookie
Jan 14th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Everybody is counting Venus out :eek:...To me she has a better shot at winning than Wozniacki.

dany.p
Jan 14th, 2011, 11:57 PM
justine and venus both flying under the rader. watch one of these 2 win.

Jarl_02
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:04 AM
I don't know why but I feel Clijsters won't win this AO

Cakeisgood
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Maria is gonna win. Obvs.

Tech1
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:15 AM
Bodo's Quarterfinal Picks:

Women's Draw:

First Eighth: Top-seed and world No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki will get a first-round test administered by veteran Gisela Dulko, but if she survives that she'll probably end up clashing with Yanina Wickmayer in the fourth round—provided Wickmayer gets by tricky Marion Bartoli. I'm going with Caro.

Second Eighth: Former Aussie champ and world No. 1 Justine Henin, seeded 11th, could play her first two rounds against qualifiers, but if veteran Svetlana Kuznetsova shows up for their prospective third-round match, Henin may not even make it to a fourth-round date with reigning French Open champion Francesca Schiavone. Every tournament needs one big surprise, though, and I'm going to pencil in Bethanie Mattek-Sands of the USA as a surprise quarterfinalist.

Third Eighth: How does a fourth-round clash between Venus Williams and Maria Sharapova sound to you? It could happen, although Andrea Petkovic could make Venus' life difficult, and No. 20 seed Kaia Kanepi will see a great opportunity in still-struggling Sharapova. I still like No. 4 Venus to beat Sharapova out for the quarters, although it's not apt to be pretty.

Fourth Eighth: Two of the most explosive players in draw are stationed here, No. 8 Victoria Azarenka and No. 17 Aravane Rezai. But the calm force in the quarter is Li Na, who just became the first Chinese player to win a WTA Premier-level event (Sydney, over Clijsters).

Fifth Eighth: Are we about to see a Jelena Jankovic renaissance? Nah. I can see her going out in the second round to surprise quarterfinalist Peng Shuai of China.

Sixth Eighth: Three players who consistently crop up on the WTA "damaged goods" list are in this quarter: headcase Nadia Petrova, in-recovery Ana Ivanovic, and former world No. 1 and injury plagued Dinara Safina, who will open her tournament going up against the No. 3 seed, Clijsters. I'm calling for the shocking first-round upset, and Ivanovic to tip-toe through the wreckage to the quarters.

Seventh Eighth: Sam Stosur, seeded fifth, is in the driver's seat in this quarter; the next highest seed is Shahar Peer, No. 10. But as the home favorit Stosur will be under a good deal of pressure, and in her only warm-up event she was bounced in the second round by countrywoman Jarmila Groth. I like Petra Kvitova, No. 25, to serve-and-volley her way to the quarters.

Eighth Eighth: No. 2 seed Vera Zvonareva has an interesting first-round challenge in the shape of Sybille Bammer, the woman who launched the current Golden Girls theme in the WTA. The next highest seed is Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova. For Melanie Oudin watchers, she's on track to play Zvonareva in round two, but despite Oudin's history as a Russian slayer, I think Zvonareva will slice-and-dice her way through.

So the women's quarters: Wozniacki, Mattek-Sands, Williams, Li, Shuai, Ivanovic, Kvitova and Zvonareva.

http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/01/tk-.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tennisworld-bodo+%28Peter+Bodo%27s+TennisWorld%29

justineheninfan
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:17 AM
Bodo's picks were good for a laugh as always. Just like his so called credentials as a qualified expert on the game. He could be called the Don Cherry of tennis.

Claycourter
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:27 AM
Terrible predictions. The fact that all 9 picking Pushsters and 3 picking Fakervic tells me these "experts" have as much credibility as your average politician.

Cp6uja
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:02 AM
Winner, sleeper and early exit:

http://espn.go.com/sports/tennis/picksWhy almost everybody pick Clijsters as winner and Henin as "SLEEPER" :haha:... but when everybody pick Nadal as winner, nobody called Federer "SLEEPER" :rolleyes:

The Witch-king
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:21 AM
I think Justine will win, TBH.

Loungy
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:16 AM
Why almost everybody pick Clijsters as winner and Henin as "SLEEPER" :haha:... but when everybody pick Nadal as winner, nobody called Federer "SLEEPER" :rolleyes:
No, seriously, I don't understand - what's up with that? How is Justine a sleeper? She's a MAIN CONTENDER and last year's finalist wtf.

LOL at the SI guys who picked Caro to win, but especially at that poor man who picked Sammy.

TAKE YOUR MEDS, SON.

tennnisfannn
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:41 AM
Sixth Eighth: Three players who consistently crop up on the WTA "damaged goods" list are in this quarter: headcase Nadia Petrova, in-recovery Ana Ivanovic, and former world No. 1 and injury plagued Dinara Safina, who will open her tournament going up against the No. 3 seed, Clijsters. I'm calling for the shocking first-round upset, and Ivanovic to tip-toe through the wreckage to the quarters.

Wow, this sounds like one who spends alot of time on TF, no belgians in the quarters, what is he smoking?

Protoss
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:07 AM
Why almost everybody pick Clijsters as winner and Henin as "SLEEPER" :haha:... but when everybody pick Nadal as winner, nobody called Federer "SLEEPER" :rolleyes:
For Espn's list a sleeper is someone outside the top 10. :shrug:

Smitten
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Bodo's picks. :lol: Basically bandwagoning the form players.

flareon
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:36 PM
They all picked Kim :bounce:
Venus please go deep !

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:48 PM
No, seriously, I don't understand - what's up with that? How is Justine a sleeper? She's a MAIN CONTENDER and last year's finalist wtf.

LOL at the SI guys who picked Caro to win, but especially at that poor man who picked Sammy.

TAKE YOUR MEDS, SON.


I know :rolls:
Venus and Justine being written off :happy: We will have a Henin-Venus SF which will be the true final.

Experts... my ass :lol:

justineheninfan
Jan 15th, 2011, 12:53 PM
A Venus-Henin semi (if it ever happened) would be the true final if Clijsters was still around? When Kim has won her last what, 100 matches against the two combined (ok I know an exagerration but still).

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:02 PM
A Venus-Henin semi (if it ever happened) would be the true final if Clijsters was still around? When Kim has won her last what, 100 matches against the two combined (ok I know an exagerration but still).

Don't ever say that again.

Venus-Justine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overrated Kim

Kim is an opportunist. I doubt she would be able to beat Henin or Venus at their peak, like in that video :

I mean, just watch it :

AWESOME HENIN-VENUS MATCH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r48_-il0QWc&feature=related)

They have a great match up, they are pushing each to other at their best... I love their matchs.


So yeah, I would take Henin-Venus SF as the true final over an overrated Henin-Clijsters final snorefest which will end on a big choke from Clijsters and a W for Henin.

goat
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Atleast Vozniacki is learning her place

The 2nd Law
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:06 PM
Bodo just gave Ana the kiss of death then :(

Claycourter
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:09 PM
Don't ever say that again.

Venus-Justine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overrated Kim

Kim is an opportunist. I doubt she would be able to beat Henin or Venus at their peak, like in that video :

I mean, just watch it :

AWESOME HENIN-VENUS MATCH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r48_-il0QWc&feature=related)

They have a great match up, they are pushing each to other at their best... I love their matchs.


So yeah, I would take Henin-Venus SF as the true final over an overrated Henin-Clijsters final snorefest which will end on a big choke from Clijsters and a W for Henin.

:yeah:

People are on the Pushsters bandwagon like crazy :o

She is now AO fav among idiot "sports analysts" even when she got 6-0 6-1'd by Petrova last year and straight setted by Li after being 5-0 in the first set. It only takes one flat hitter with some guts to expose Kim's limited game and her overrated mental strength. Can't wait for excuses when Princess Fiona suffers another early exit in AO.

gorre
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:22 PM
What is that two clowns who predicts nearly exit for David Ferrer? :rolleyes: A few hours ago I saw him in Auckland's final and he played very well against Nalbandian and he won 6-3 6-2!!

btw: Ferrer vs J.Nieminen in R1, Russell/Ebden in R2 and probably Nalbandian(again) or Hewitt in R3

Cahill, Shriver - tennis analyst :lol: :lol: :lol:

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:27 PM
Bodo's Quarterfinal Picks:

Women's Draw:

First Eighth: Top-seed and world No. 1 Caroline Wozniacki will get a first-round test administered by veteran Gisela Dulko, but if she survives that she'll probably end up clashing with Yanina Wickmayer in the fourth round—provided Wickmayer gets by tricky Marion Bartoli. I'm going with Caro.

Second Eighth: Former Aussie champ and world No. 1 Justine Henin, seeded 11th, could play her first two rounds against qualifiers, but if veteran Svetlana Kuznetsova shows up for their prospective third-round match, Henin may not even make it to a fourth-round date with reigning French Open champion Francesca Schiavone. Every tournament needs one big surprise, though, and I'm going to pencil in Bethanie Mattek-Sands of the USA as a surprise quarterfinalist.

Third Eighth: How does a fourth-round clash between Venus Williams and Maria Sharapova sound to you? It could happen, although Andrea Petkovic could make Venus' life difficult, and No. 20 seed Kaia Kanepi will see a great opportunity in still-struggling Sharapova. I still like No. 4 Venus to beat Sharapova out for the quarters, although it's not apt to be pretty.

Fourth Eighth: Two of the most explosive players in draw are stationed here, No. 8 Victoria Azarenka and No. 17 Aravane Rezai. But the calm force in the quarter is Li Na, who just became the first Chinese player to win a WTA Premier-level event (Sydney, over Clijsters).

Fifth Eighth: Are we about to see a Jelena Jankovic renaissance? Nah. I can see her going out in the second round to surprise quarterfinalist Peng Shuai of China.

Sixth Eighth: Three players who consistently crop up on the WTA "damaged goods" list are in this quarter: headcase Nadia Petrova, in-recovery Ana Ivanovic, and former world No. 1 and injury plagued Dinara Safina, who will open her tournament going up against the No. 3 seed, Clijsters. I'm calling for the shocking first-round upset, and Ivanovic to tip-toe through the wreckage to the quarters.

Seventh Eighth: Sam Stosur, seeded fifth, is in the driver's seat in this quarter; the next highest seed is Shahar Peer, No. 10. But as the home favorit Stosur will be under a good deal of pressure, and in her only warm-up event she was bounced in the second round by countrywoman Jarmila Groth. I like Petra Kvitova, No. 25, to serve-and-volley her way to the quarters.

Eighth Eighth: No. 2 seed Vera Zvonareva has an interesting first-round challenge in the shape of Sybille Bammer, the woman who launched the current Golden Girls theme in the WTA. The next highest seed is Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova. For Melanie Oudin watchers, she's on track to play Zvonareva in round two, but despite Oudin's history as a Russian slayer, I think Zvonareva will slice-and-dice her way through.

So the women's quarters: Wozniacki, Mattek-Sands, Williams, Li, Shuai, Ivanovic, Kvitova and Zvonareva.

http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/01/tk-.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tennisworld-bodo+%28Peter+Bodo%27s+TennisWorld%29

In red : :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

Soliloque
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:29 PM
:yeah:

People are on the Pushsters bandwagon like crazy :o

She is now AO fav among idiot "sports analysts" even when she got 6-0 6-1'd by Petrova last year and straight setted by Li after being 5-0 in the first set. It only takes one flat hitter with some guts to expose Kim's limited game and her overrated mental strength. Can't wait for excuses when Princess Fiona suffers another early exit in AO.

Which Clijsters bandwagon ? The only thing I see on TF these days is a Clijsters-hating bandwagon.

Kim is the favourite for one obvious reason : the last 8 GS titles have been won by 4 players and only three of them are in the draw : Schiavone, Kuznetsova and Kim.
She's the only top player in the draw who have been able to win GS lately. And talking about mental strenght, who has shown a better mental strenght than her lately except Serena ? Right, nobody.

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:33 PM
Which Clijsters bandwagon ? The only thing I see on TF these days is a Clijsters-hating bandwagon.

Kim is the favourite for one obvious reason : the last 8 GS titles have been won by 4 players and only three of them are in the draw : Schiavone, Kuznetsova and Kim.
She's the only top player in the draw who have been able to win GS lately. And talking about mental strenght, who has shown a better mental strenght than her lately except Serena ? Right, nobody.

LMFAO ! Does Kim have a good mental strenght ?
That's why she lost to freaking Nadia Petrova 1 & 0.

She is the favourite, that's true but not that by a wide margin. Serena is the OVERWHELMING favourite when she enters a Slam, that's normal.
But I don't see Kim as an overwhelming favourite, I am sorry but Henin is also a favourite to win it. And everyone forgets Venus but I am sure she can do very well.

Vikapower
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:41 PM
Could people just stop with Venus ? :help: The young lady is certainly the most overrated player of the last 6-7 years (at least the only trophy she has won without having that much to battle for :rolleyes:) and she hasn't done something in Australia since the event has turned from grass to plexi to rebound ace so very good choice the experts Vee isn't making the second week maybe even neither the 4th rounded.

I'm happy they wrote off Vika very good choice ! :) Kimmie the heavy favourite but you can smell the shocker coming. :lol:

Soliloque
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:42 PM
LMFAO ! Does Kim have a good mental strenght ?
That's why she lost to freaking Nadia Petrova 1 & 0.

She is the favourite, that's true but not that by a wide margin. Serena is the OVERWHELMING favourite when she enters a Slam, that's normal.
But I don't see Kim as an overwhelming favourite, I am sorry but Henin is also a favourite to win it. And everyone forgets Venus but I am sure she can do very well.

I've never said that she was the only favourite. I actually think she's the first one but I agree with you, if Henin reaches the quarters and find some form, she'll be the favourite.
And stop using that Petrova match for argument, it was the first time Nadia won a set against Kim and Kim has not suffered any shocking loss after that, winning the USO while Petrova was doing nothing. Kim has always been a threat in Melbourne except for last year.
And Kim has a good mental strenght, she has won all her last matches against Henin, Venus and Serena. she has won two GS since her come back and she now win matches that she would have lost before (Brisbane final, Cincinatti final, USO semi...).

The Witch-king
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:45 PM
Noone writing of Justine :confused:

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 01:48 PM
Could people just stop with Venus ? :help: The young lady is certainly the most overrated player of the last 6-7 years (at least the only trophy she has won without having that much to battle for :rolleyes:) and she hasn't done something in Australia since the event has turned from grass to plexi to rebound ace so very good choice the experts Vee isn't making the second week maybe even neither the 4th rounded.

I'm happy they wrote off Vika very good choice ! :)

She reached the QF last year. :tape:

@Dama do Bling : on SI's predictions, they did ^^

@Kieferfan : well, to be honest, she seems to have improved her mental strenght because the tour is weaker nowadays, before she used to play with Davenport, the WS, Henin, peak Sharapova.... Kim used to lose only to them. Now, Serena is often injured, Venus is not the same player anymore, Henin is injured (Wimbledon), Sharapova is in bad form.... Kim deserves all her success, but I am not sure we can say she drastically improved her mental strenght. Beware of that ;)
But she is the favourite, I don't question that at all.

justineheninfan
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Serena is the OVERWHELMING favourite when she enters a Slam, that's normal.

So Serena is the overwhelming favorite for Roland Garros which she hasnt been in the semis in since 2003. That is funny. :lol:

The only slam Serena is the overwhelming favorite for arguably is the Australian but by next year at 30 even that might not be the case. Wimbledon she isnt the overwhelming favorite because there is a certain Venus Williams there too. At the U.S Open she isnt the overwhelming favorite when Clijsters, Henin, and Venus are all multiple winners there too.

Vikapower
Jan 15th, 2011, 02:19 PM
She reached the QF last year. :tape:

(...) and hail the queen :tape: but I always tend to forget that Vee has done so little in slams outside of grass that a simple little 1/4 is considered like she has won back to back RG, Wim and USO (...)

Which confirms indeed the good choice of the experts (...) Vee is not going deep on rebound ace.

cellophane
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Don't ever say that again.

Venus-Justine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overrated Kim

Kim is an opportunist. I doubt she would be able to beat Henin or Venus at their peak, like in that video :

Yeah, sure, I guess Kim is an opportunist like Justine was in 2003-2004 beating a choking Kim (not at her peak) and winning in a WS-free field? :lol: Or like Serena was when she was beating up on scrubs & Safina in 2009? How convenient.

Last I checked overrated Kim who hasn't improved mentally at all won all of their matches with Justine, Venus and Serena since her comeback... I really don't want to hear about how injured Justine was at Wimbledon... she was injured and still managed to win the first set? Bottom line Kim won those matches fair and square... frankly Miami nor Brisbane shouldn't have gone 3 sets in the first place...she should have won in 2.






AWESOME HENIN-VENUS MATCH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r48_-il0QWc&feature=related)

They have a great match up, they are pushing each to other at their best... I love their matchs.


So yeah, I would take Henin-Venus SF as the true final over an overrated Henin-Clijsters final snorefest which will end on a big choke from Clijsters and a W for Henin.

Overrated match IMO.

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Yeah, sure, I guess Kim is an opportunist like Justine was in 2003-2004 beating a choking Kim (not at her peak) and winning in a WS-free field? :lol: Or like Serena was when she was beating up on scrubs & Safina in 2009? How convenient.

Please, Kim was playing at a very high level, she was only losing to the WS, Davenport, peak Sharapova and Justine.... she was much more steadier than she is nowadays. Not Justine's fault if Kim is crappy enough to lose in straights to Justine who had to fight 3 hours + against Capriati the day before and had to go to the hospital straight after. :lol:
And Serena is an opportunist as well. But that does not mean they don't deserve at all their slams, I never said that. I am only saying that the field is much weaker so they are doing better than before because they are too good for current youngsters who are not at the same level at the ones from 2003... Facts are facts.

Last I checked overrated Kim who hasn't improved mentally at all won all of their matches with Justine, Venus and Serena since her comeback... I really don't want to hear about how injured Justine was at Wimbledon... she was injured and still managed to win the first set? Bottom line Kim won those matches fair and square... frankly Miami nor Brisbane shouldn't have gone 3 sets in the first place...she should have won in 2.

I think Kim is overrated because everyone is acting like she is invincible but she clearly is not. Heck, all these so called experts picks think no one will be able to stop her. :lol:
And I am sorry but Justine GOT INJURED during her match, I don't even understand how you can deny that. :eek::eek: It was so clear that her injury was getting worse and worse during the match, at the beginning, you usually don't feel the effects... minutes later, it is getting worse.... Justine didn't play for SIX MONTHS. SIX. And she was dominating Kim.
Justine is a much better grass player than Kim, so I don't think I am wrong when I say Justine could have won this one if she didn't subtain an injury.
Kim has not really improved mentally because I see she is still choking to some players, but Henin has been more fragile as well, Venus is a mess nowadays, Serena didn't even have to defend matchpoints (and we all know how she is scary on mp down), it has really nothing to do with the previous era. Kim has not improved but has not regressed at all.

Overrated match IMO.

Can you quote some better (for you) match in STRAIGHTS ?

They played so well... That point at 5-5 ... that point in the tie breaker.... that lob from Justine.... that defense towards the end....

cellophane
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:03 PM
Please, Kim was playing at a very high level, she was only losing to the WS, Davenport, peak Sharapova and Justine.... she was much more steadier than she is nowadays. Not Justine's fault if Kim is crappy enough to lose in straights to Justine who had to fight 3 hours + against Capriati the day before and had to go to the hospital straight after.:lol:

High level or not, according to your line of reasoning, we could also make the argument Justine was also an opportunist who never faced WS in 2003-2004 and faced a choking Kim in the finals. Kim's play in the '03 FO and UO finals wasn't exactly high level.

Kim was never losing to Davenport in 2003. Nor was she losing to Sharapova in 2003.

She lost to Davenport in 2005 (with only FO 2005 being a bad loss). Kim 2005 >>>> Kim 2003.



And Serena is an opportunist as well. But that does not mean they don't deserve at all their slams, I never said that. I am only saying that the field is much weaker so they are doing better than before because they are too good for current youngsters who are not at the same level at the ones from 2003... Facts are facts. No, you called Kim an opportunist, saying she beat WS & Henin who are not at their best... when, according to your line of reasoning same applies to Henin or Serena or whoever, since you could say the field was also weaker when Justine won or Serena won and Kim was equally not at her peak yet :shrug:.


I think Kim is overrated because everyone is acting like she is invincible but she clearly is not. Heck, all these so called experts picks think no one will be able to stop her. :lol:Please. Who is "everyone" acting like she is invincible???? Who are you talking about? Show me.


And I am sorry but Justine GOT INJURED during her match, I don't even understand how you can deny that. :eek::eek: It was so clear that her injury was getting worse and worse during the match, at the beginning, you usually don't feel the effects... minutes later, it is getting worse.... Justine didn't play for SIX MONTHS. SIX. And she was dominating Kim.I am not debating about her injury, but it was not clear *at all* that that was the cause of her loss. She played well in the first set after the timeout, but got outplayed in the next 2. That's all. :shrug: You say injury, I say she got outplayed. :shrug: And what does it matter anyways... Justine still lost the previous 2 times.

Justine is a much better grass player than Kim, so I don't think I am wrong when I say Justine could have won this one if she didn't subtain an injury. That's your conjecture. Justine is a better grass court player... but Kim IMO is a def. better hardcourt player who at her best should overpower Justine like in Brisbane in the first 2 sets...

Kim has not really improved mentally because I see she is still choking to some playersWho? She has patches of really bad play... I wouldn't call it choking... inconsistency is not choking.

Serena didn't even have to defend matchpoints (and we all know how she is scary on mp down)Oh, so now because Serena didn't have to defend matchpoints, that win automatically means nothing? Fact is Serena was outplayed in that match. I'm sorry that she decided to act like a brat, but it really has no bearing on the result.

Can you quote some better (for you) match in STRAIGHTS ?
I'll have to think about it...But the Venus-Justine match isn't amazing IMO :shrug:

VishaalMaria
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:22 PM
They've certainly discounted Venus. But on this occasion I can understand why. She hasn't played competitively since the US Open. If she has a wobble at ANY point, and a player can take advantage then it's going to be tough.

silverwhite
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:28 PM
Wow....safe picks much. Why is Justine a sleeper? :lol:

Exactly

http://a.espncdn.com/i/tennis/profiles/players/65x90/398.jpg

silverwhite
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:29 PM
Picking Venus to lose early.:spit: :p even Bepa.:rolls:

Why not? Remember Pironkova? Suarez Navarro? :o

volta
Jan 15th, 2011, 06:40 PM
(...) and hail the queen :tape: but I always tend to forget that Vee has done so little in slams outside of grass that a simple little 1/4 is considered like she has won back to back RG, Wim and USO (...)

Which confirms indeed the good choice of the experts (...) Vee is not going deep on rebound ace.

None of the players in the draw will...

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:02 PM
High level or not, according to your line of reasoning, we could also make the argument Justine was also an opportunist who never faced WS in 2003-2004 and faced a choking Kim in the finals. Kim's play in the '03 FO and UO finals wasn't exactly high level.

Justine is in another league than Kim. They have nothing to do with each other. Justine didn't play that well during these finals IMO, she was only superior to Kim. And you are wrong, she beat red hot Serena Williams at RG 2003, she had just won 4 slams in a row and was aiming for a 5th Slam in a row....
And we all know Justine has regressed since 2007, she was at her peak in 2007, so even if the field is weaker, Justine is wayyy worse than before... yet she is #12 with only half season played... with only a final at the AO noticeable... enough said about the quality of the tour :tape:
Don't tell me Kim has improved drastically, that's plain wrong, she beats more players because they all play the same game and don't have a clue when the other doesn't do tons of UE's.

Kim was never losing to Davenport in 2003. Nor was she losing to Sharapova in 2003.

I am talking about 2003-2006 era, and Sharapova used to beat her in 2006.

She lost to Davenport in 2005 (with only FO 2005 being a bad loss). Kim 2005 >>>> Kim 2003.

But she was a slam wonder. :shrug: Kim 2005 >>>>> Kim 2009-2010 easily.

No, you called Kim an opportunist, saying she beat WS & Henin who are not at their best... when, according to your line of reasoning same applies to Henin or Serena or whoever, since you could say the field was also weaker when Justine won or Serena won and Kim was equally not at her peak yet :shrug:

First of all : Kim came back fresh physically and mentally at the US Open 2009, she deserved to win it, but she was an opportunist :lol: she came back at the good moment.
Secondly : Serena is not an opportunist because she proved she could win, no matter what is the field. She won when the Belgians were at their peak, when Capriati/Davenport/Seles/some others were still around... she can win now (but let's be honest, Serena 2002 would crush Serena 2010 at the AO for instance).

Please. Who is "everyone" acting like she is invincible???? Who are you talking about? Show me.

Go check the odds.
http://espn.go.com/sports/tennis/picks => these experts as well

I am not debating about her injury, but it was not clear *at all* that that was the cause of her loss. She played well in the first set after the timeout, but got outplayed in the next 2. That's all. :shrug: You say injury, I say she got outplayed. :shrug: And what does it matter anyways... Justine still lost the previous 2 times.

Because she got injured at 4-1 first set, if I recall well, she could finish the first set. Then it got worse and worse. Simple as that. She really played awful in the next two sets, Kim is a mug on grass.

That's your conjecture. Justine is a better grass court player... but Kim IMO is a def. better hardcourt player who at her best should overpower Justine like in Brisbane in the first 2 sets...

Justine at her best can beat her anyway. But generally, Kim is better on HC, that's true.

Who? She has patches of really bad play... I wouldn't call it choking... inconsistency is not choking.

5-0 lead against Na Li. :tape:

Oh, so now because Serena didn't have to defend matchpoints, that win automatically means nothing? Fact is Serena was outplayed in that match. I'm sorry that she decided to act like a brat, but it really has no bearing on the result.

I don't say that win meant nothing, I am saying that Kim didn't beat an amazing Serena Williams, she was not even serving that well, she didn't defend mps.... IMO that win is overrated, I mean, some Kim fans use that match as a proof to show Kim has improved, but IMO I don't think so. She was solid, she played well, but she impressed me more in the past.

That's my point : she didn't improve a lot, she is performing better than before because the field is weaker, and she is right to do so, and deserves all her success.

I'll have to think about it...But the Venus-Justine match isn't amazing IMO :shrug:

Why?

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Why not? Remember Pironkova? Suarez Navarro? :o

I want to do my predictions draw for my friends (betting stuff :o the loser will pay a drink :lol: )
I wonder if Petkovic could beat Venus... what do you think?

justineheninfan
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:39 PM
If Kim is so superior to Henin on hard courts why has Henin won both hard court slams while Kim hasnt, and why up until 4 months ago did Henin have more hard court slams than Kim Clijsters. Of course that is the only surface you can even compare them. On clay Henin is chasms better than Kim or any other current WTA player (including Serena), and on grass Henin is clearly superior to Clijsters. Even indoors Henin has the better record I am pretty sure.

debby
Jan 15th, 2011, 07:41 PM
If Kim is so superior to Henin on hard courts why has Henin won both hard court slams while Kim hasnt, and why up until 4 months ago did Henin have more hard court slams than Kim Clijsters. Of course that is the only surface you can even compare them. On clay Henin is chasms better than Kim or any other current WTA player (including Serena), and on grass Henin is clearly superior to Clijsters. Even indoors Henin has the better record I am pretty sure.

Clijsters has much more HC titles and leads their H2H on HC.

That's because Justine is by far more superior than Kim in slams. :worship: She knows how to win at the right moment.

cellophane
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Justine is in another league than Kim.

Another league in what?

They have nothing to do with each other. Justine didn't play that well during these finals IMO, she was only superior to Kim. And you are wrong, she beat red hot Serena Williams at RG 2003, she had just won 4 slams in a row and was aiming for a 5th Slam in a row.... Yah, she beat Serena on clay... not at the US Open or Wimbledon or Aussie where Serena was absent. :shrug:

And we all know Justine has regressed since 2007, she was at her peak in 2007, so even if the field is weakerUm... and how is it weaker than 2007? As far as I remember Chakvetadze vs Kuznetsova was a SF in 2007 :tape:

Justine is wayyy worse than before... yet she is #12 with only half season played... with only a final at the AO noticeable... enough said about the quality of the tour :tape:So?

Don't tell me Kim has improved drastically, that's plain wrong, she beats more players because they all play the same game and don't have a clue whe the other doesn't do tons of UE's. Yes, she has improved. She is a more aggressive player than she used to be... she used to rely more on defense.

I am talking about 2003-2006 era, and Sharapova used to beat her in 2006.Yah, Sharapova beat a pre-retirement Kim... and ? :shrug: I'm not sure what your argument is.


First of all : Kim came back fresh physically and mentally at the US Open 2009, she deserved to win it, but she was an opportunist :lol: she came back at the good moment.:lol: So coming back to win after 3 tournaments is now easy? I don't really know many other people (bar Serena) who can come back after playing 3 tournaments an win a slam?


Secondly : Serena is not an opportunist because she proved she could win, no matter what is the field. She won when the Belgians were at their peakAnd Kim hasn't? Again Kim beat Venus & Sharapova in 2005 to win her slams... and she has beaten Serena in 2009 while outplaying her... she has shown she has the game to beat GS champs. :shrug:


Go check the odds.
http://espn.go.com/sports/tennis/picks => these experts as wellAnd how does that mean she is overrated/ who is saying she is invincible? She is the favorite based on results, so they are picking her... If Justine had won the US Open / YEC last year, they would have picked her. :shrug: Would that mean she is overrated?

Because she got injured at 4-1 first set, if I recall well, she could finish the first set. Then it got worse and worse. Simple as that. She really played awful in the next two sets, Kim is a mug on grass.Sorry, but there is nothing really to indicate that the injury was responsible for her play. :shrug: I guess it's very bad then that Justine got beaten by MugKim on grass. :tape:

5-0 lead against Na Li. :tape:Not really a choke...I mean seriously why would Kim choke against Li? Playing like crap after leading 5:0 doesn't equal choke. More like patch of crappy play.


I don't say that win meant nothing, I am saying that Kim didn't beat an amazing Serena Williams, she was not even serving that well, she didn't defend mps.... IMO that win is overrated, I mean, some Kim fans use that match as a proof to show Kim has improved, but IMO I don't think so. She was solid, she played well, but she impressed me more in the past.

No, Serena wasn't serving that well... but Kim outplayed her from the baseline that day, period....That match isn't proof that she improved on its own... Kieferfan already brought up Brisbane/Cincy/ or Miami matches that she would have lost in the past

That's my point : she didn't improve a lot, she is performing better than before because the field is weaker, and she is right to do so, and deserves all her successShe has improved mentally...otherwise she would have lost all these 3 setters against Justine. And she is a more aggressive player than before. Again, the weaker field argument doesn't work because it can be applied to every player (Justine/Serena) when they won some of their slams. Kim has shown her game can beat the best :shrug: You are acting like she has to rely on others to play shit to win

cellophane
Jan 15th, 2011, 08:15 PM
If Kim is so superior to Henin on hard courts why has Henin won both hard court slams while Kim hasnt, and why up until 4 months ago did Henin have more hard court slams than Kim Clijsters. Of course that is the only surface you can even compare them. On clay Henin is chasms better than Kim or any other current WTA player (including Serena), and on grass Henin is clearly superior to Clijsters. Even indoors Henin has the better record I am pretty sure.

Kim won her first slam in 2005 and just came back last year? She has only played 3 HC slams post retirement and won 2.

justineheninfan
Jan 18th, 2011, 11:18 AM
Sixth Eighth: Three players who consistently crop up on the WTA "damaged goods" list are in this quarter: headcase Nadia Petrova, in-recovery Ana Ivanovic, and former world No. 1 and injury plagued Dinara Safina, who will open her tournament going up against the No. 3 seed, Clijsters. I'm calling for the shocking first-round upset, and Ivanovic to tip-toe through the wreckage to the quarters.


http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/01/tk-.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tennisworld-bodo+%28Peter+Bodo%27s+TennisWorld%29

Yeah good job as usual with the predictions Peter Bozo. :lol:

debby
Jan 18th, 2011, 11:26 AM
Bodo's Quarterfinal Picks:

Second Eighth: Former Aussie champ and world No. 1 Justine Henin, seeded 11th, could play her first two rounds against qualifiers, but if veteran Svetlana Kuznetsova shows up for their prospective third-round match, Henin may not even make it to a fourth-round date with reigning French Open champion Francesca Schiavone. Every tournament needs one big surprise, though, and I'm going to pencil in Bethanie Mattek-Sands of the USA as a surprise quarterfinalist.

Sixth Eighth: Three players who consistently crop up on the WTA "damaged goods" list are in this quarter: headcase Nadia Petrova, in-recovery Ana Ivanovic, and former world No. 1 and injury plagued Dinara Safina, who will open her tournament going up against the No. 3 seed, Clijsters. I'm calling for the shocking first-round upset, and Ivanovic to tip-toe through the wreckage to the quarters.

So the women's quarters: Wozniacki, Mattek-Sands, Williams, Li, Shuai, Ivanovic, Kvitova and Zvonareva.

http://blogs.tennis.com/tennisworld/2011/01/tk-.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tennisworld-bodo+%28Peter+Bodo%27s+TennisWorld%29

lol already epic fail on 2 out of 8 QF and we have not even started the R2 meetings

justineheninfan
Jan 18th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Kim won her first slam in 2005 and just came back last year? She has only played 3 HC slams post retirement and won 2.

So what is your point? It took years on tour for so called far superior HC player Clijsters to even catch up to Henin in HC slams. When Clijsters retired in early 2007 she trailed Henin in HC slams 2-1. Henin herself retired about a year later, now up 3-1.

Since you ask the question for Kim, how many HC slams would Henin have now if she had never retired. She was just as strong or more a contender than Henin in the years preceding their first retirements after all.

Yes good for Clijsters to have the good fortune to now be peaking at the height of WTA suckiness which allowed her to finally shed the 1 slam wonder label she carried so long.

ZODIAC
Jan 18th, 2011, 03:50 PM
I am very certain that Kim will lose in the qtrs to Jankovic and then JJ will lose to Stosur in the semis.I think the winner of this event will be Stosur or Caro..