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thegreendestiny
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:46 AM
I like her and all but she has just been winning quite some lately out of default. :o

Kəv.
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:47 AM
Thats what used to happen with Serena.

flareon
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:47 AM
:weirdo:

claypova
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:49 AM
kinda ironic cos Caro was winning all the tournies late last year :shrug:

~{X}~
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:50 AM
She hasn't won yet? I don't see her holding a trophy. :shrug:

Vartan
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:51 AM
Li will snatch her wig.

Lachy
Jan 13th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Yes it annoys me.

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:08 AM
Yes, it annoys me that a mediocre baseliner like Kim is succeeding thanks to a weak era.

edificio
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:10 AM
I like her and all but she has just been winning quite some lately out of default. :o

Yeah, I somewhat feel that way, but maybe she won't make it to the final or she'll encounter someone interesting in the final (please do not let it be Woz!).

No guarantees. I'd like to see either Venus or someone new win. That's all I ask tennis gods.

thegreendestiny
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:13 AM
It's times like these when I'd rather see Justine dominating again ala 2007.

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:15 AM
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again. Clijsters wins because the competition for her is exceedingly weak and fresh faces refuse to step up to the plate and knock her off her undeserved podium. Clijsters doesn't win, her opponents more often than not lose. And it's even more embarassing because she doesn't play for months on end during the year and comes back and dominates, despite being rusty and her serve having the yips.

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:18 AM
Li will snatch her wig.

Na can hardly even handle the pressure of playing an inexperienced 19 year old in the Semi-finals. She will no doubt crumble under her nerves in the final and hand Kim the win. I would be very surprised if she won.

Sp!ffy
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:18 AM
It's threads like these that give Kim a negative image.

Really, the question should be rephrased. Who's not sick of the WTA failing to keep up with a once-retired mother of a 2 year old?

More credit to her. Seriously.

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:19 AM
It's threads like these that give Kim a negative image.

Really, the question should be rephrased. Who's not sick of the WTA failing to keep up with a once-retired mother of a 2 year old?

More credit to her. Seriously.

Yep, you could also say that :lol:

Sp!ffy
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:19 AM
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again. Clijsters wins because the competition for her is exceedingly weak and fresh faces refuse to step up to the plate and knock her off her undeserved podium. Clijsters doesn't win, her opponents more often than not lose. And it's even more embarassing because she doesn't play for months on end during the year and comes back and dominates, despite being rusty and her serve having the yips.

Then what can she do to "deserve" the podium? Obviously we'd love to see her have to actually fight to win all these accolades but maybe you should consider directing your frustration towards the players who actually are making it easier for her.

The Witch-king
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:20 AM
Don't complain, it makes you seem bitter.

GoofyDuck
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Sydney would of had been so much more enjoyable with Venus, Dementieva, Serena and Ivanovic...

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Then what can she do to "deserve" the podium? Obviously we'd love to see her have to actually fight to win all these accolades but maybe you should consider directing your frustration towards the players who actually are making it easier for her.

It's hard to direct it towards specific players because it's practically the whole tour. But I agree with your point.

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:21 AM
I'll say it once, and I'll say it again. Clijsters wins because the competition for her is exceedingly weak and fresh faces refuse to step up to the plate and knock her off her undeserved podium. Clijsters doesn't win, her opponents more often than not lose. And it's even more embarassing because she doesn't play for months on end during the year and comes back and dominates, despite being rusty and her serve having the yips.

You are the only sane poster on this forum. Every other clown is trying to parade Pushsters as a good player when she wouldn't be top 10 with the tennis she is displaying now a few years ago.

Pasta-Na
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:22 AM
jinxing thread :speakles:

Raiden
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:24 AM
I like her and all but she has just been winning quite some lately out of default.Fans of pure, unadulterated tennis can't have enough of Kim. Like for example the vast majority of the crowd in Sydney who've made their opinion loud and clear during the last couple of days. Win or lose Kim'll give ya pure tennis, with no distractions and antics.


Seriously, who's not sick of Kim winning tournamentsThe ones who're sick of the usual dumb WTA ballbashers and pushers
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Noctis
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:24 AM
just admit shes the best player on tour atm,while serena is injured

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:28 AM
Fans of pure unadulterated tennis can't have enough of Kim. Like for example the vast majority of the crowd in Sydney... etc etc.

The ones who're sick of the usual dumb WTA ballbashers and pushers.

I'm sorry, but what is it that Kim does that is out of the ordinary, that makes her deserving of all the vomitious reverence she seems to have gained? She does nothing special. She has very little variety, she only slices when out of position and only moves forward when she is forced. She doesn't have a fantastic serve. She merely runs all day and tries to keep the ball in play until her unfit slash overweight opponents run out of energy.

Reptilia
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:28 AM
I'd much rather see someone like Kim dominate over Vera or Caro:zzz:

Sp!ffy
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Every other clown is trying to parade Pushsters as a good player when she wouldn't be top 10 with the tennis she is displaying now a few years ago.

:lol: Totally irrelevant. Justine Henin wouldn't be top 100 player with the tennis she displayed as a 12 year old. What does that have to do with anything? :lol:

young_gunner913
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:30 AM
Not really but I'm sick of the hype she's getting from it. We know she can beat all these scrubs, but until Serena, Venus and Justine are back and healthy, Kim doesn't really have anyone who is a worthy opponent. Sure, there will be the upset here and there, but that's about it.

Nikkiri
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:31 AM
Me. :shrug: she isn't my fave.. but she deserves what's she's achieving. You deal with it.

Raz0r
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Sydney would of had been so much more enjoyable with Venus, Dementieva, Serena and Ivanovic...

+1. Sydney had a weak field this year.

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:35 AM
:lol: Totally irrelevant. Justine Henin wouldn't be top 100 player with the tennis she displayed as a 12 year old. What does that have to do with anything? :lol:

Like I said before, Kim Clijsters is a great athelete, good mover, amazing defender, but she is no tennis player. All her shots look forced, she muscles the ball instead of creating effortless power. She lacks grace. She can't serve. Can't play at the net. Her slice sucks. Her volleys suck. She lacks plan B, because she is not talented enough to inject variety into her game when her plan A (retrieving) isn't working. She should thank her lucky stars everyone around her are such pathetic mugs that she can run around like a golden retriever all day and BS her way to easy wins because, I can barely type this without laughing, Kim Clijsters is actually mentally tough in this era.


PS Find it funny that a Sharapova fan, who was all out aggression in her peak, defending a pusher :zzz:

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:37 AM
Like I said before, Kim Clijsters is a great athelete, good mover, amazing defender, but she is no tennis player. All her shots look forced, she muscles the ball instead of creating effortless power. She lacks grace. She can't serve. Can't play at the net. Her slice sucks. Her volleys suck. She lacks plan B, because she is not talented enough to inject variety into her game when her plan A (retrieving) isn't working. She should thank her lucky stars everyone around her are such pathetic mugs that she can run around like a golden retriever all day and BS her way to easy wins because, I can barely type this without laughing, Kim Clijsters is actually mentally tough in this era.


PS Find it funny that a Sharapova fan, who was all out aggression in her peak, defending a pusher :zzz:

This. This is Funny. :happy:

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:40 AM
:lol: Totally irrelevant. Justine Henin wouldn't be top 100 player with the tennis she displayed as a 12 year old. What does that have to do with anything? :lol:

Pus it's relevant because, like it says in my signature, Pre retirement, Clijsters was playing superior tennis than she is now against a much stronger field, and she only had one slam. She comes back, playing worse tennis, and has better results :confused:

Lord Choc Ice
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:42 AM
I'm a bit conflicted on this issue. I think Kim rarely actually plays amazing tennis, and often gets away with playing awful tennis in fact. But I'd rather her at the top than a lot of others and she was super-nice to Ana during her slump so I can't be too hard on her. :angel:

Sp!ffy
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:43 AM
Like I said before, Kim Clijsters is a great athelete, good mover, amazing defender, but she is no tennis player. All her shots look forced, she muscles the ball instead of creating effortless power. She lacks grace. She can't serve. Can't play at the net. Her slice sucks. Her volleys suck. She lacks plan B, because she is not talented enough to inject variety into her game when her plan A (retrieving) isn't working. She should thank her lucky stars everyone around her are such pathetic mugs that she can run around like a golden retriever all day and BS her way to easy wins because, I can barely type this without laughing, Kim Clijsters is actually mentally tough in this era.


PS Find it funny that a Sharapova fan, who was all out aggression in her peak, defending a pusher :zzz:

I'm not defending Clijsters. :lol: I'm just defending the fact that it's really not her fault that she's winning. Obviously I don't want to see someone half-ass a tennis performance and still somehow win the match, which seems to be the case for Kim all the time. But really, I'm more disgusted with people like Alisa, Vika, Caro, etc. who seem to be sitting on their asses on their offseason instead of improving.

thegreendestiny
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:45 AM
Funny thing is, Kim's post-retirement career alone (less than 2 years of part-time playing) now outweighs the entire careers of the likes of Ivanovic, Safina, Jankovic and so many others. :happy:

What a joke. :happy: :o

fifiricci
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:45 AM
Like I said before, Kim Clijsters is a great athelete, good mover, amazing defender, but she is no tennis player. All her shots look forced, she muscles the ball instead of creating effortless power. She lacks grace. She can't serve. Can't play at the net. Her slice sucks. Her volleys suck. She lacks plan B, because she is not talented enough to inject variety into her game when her plan A (retrieving) isn't working. She should thank her lucky stars everyone around her are such pathetic mugs that she can run around like a golden retriever all day and BS her way to easy wins because, I can barely type this without laughing, Kim Clijsters is actually mentally tough in this era.


PS Find it funny that a Sharapova fan, who was all out aggression in her peak, defending a pusher :zzz:

And what is your suggested remedy to this problem? Abolish the tour until some players that you judge to be "tennis players" appear?
:weirdo:

To be fair, Kim can only play the players put in front of her. Having said that, I agree that the new crop are not made of the same stuff as the greats of old ............

ElusiveChanteuse
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:59 AM
Me. :shrug: she isn't my fave.. but she deserves what's she's achieving. You deal with it.

+1

madmax
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Like I said before, Kim Clijsters is a great athelete, good mover, amazing defender, but she is no tennis player. All her shots look forced, she muscles the ball instead of creating effortless power. She lacks grace. She can't serve. Can't play at the net. Her slice sucks. Her volleys suck. She lacks plan B, because she is not talented enough to inject variety into her game when her plan A (retrieving) isn't working. She should thank her lucky stars everyone around her are such pathetic mugs that she can run around like a golden retriever all day and BS her way to easy wins because, I can barely type this without laughing, Kim Clijsters is actually mentally tough in this era.


PS Find it funny that a Sharapova fan, who was all out aggression in her peak, defending a pusher :zzz:

funny that you are bashing Clijsters all the time, yet not applying the same standards to your own faves here - if she's just a "pusher" and retriever, then what do you consider someone like Pushnicki - an aggressive baseliner?:lol: You seem to be hyping her ass up all the time while she gets blown off the court by any competent ballstriker. And it doesn't matter if Kim is "muscling" the ball - she gets the job done at the end of the day. Nadull's tennis is ugly too, yet he has 9 GS's under his belt. The days of elegant and effortless power are leaving us anyway with today's racquets and slowniness of most courts.

hotviolin83
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:19 AM
I'm not:o However, I'm sick of some posters spreading rubbish in TF:rolleyes:

TennisFan66
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Kim deserves to win the tournaments, she does. If that makes you feel sick - GOOD!

Prizeidiot
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:22 AM
This is the sort of complete rubbish which is normally found in the mens tennis forums.

Like I said before, Kim Clijsters is a great athelete, good mover, amazing defender, but she is no tennis player. All her shots look forced, she muscles the ball instead of creating effortless power. She lacks grace. She can't serve. Can't play at the net. Her slice sucks. Her volleys suck. She lacks plan B, because she is not talented enough to inject variety into her game when her plan A (retrieving) isn't working. She should thank her lucky stars everyone around her are such pathetic mugs that she can run around like a golden retriever all day and BS her way to easy wins because, I can barely type this without laughing, Kim Clijsters is actually mentally tough in this era.


PS Find it funny that a Sharapova fan, who was all out aggression in her peak, defending a pusher :zzz:
Why can't a Sharapova fan be a Clijsters fan? Tennis isn't a game where everyone has to play a certain way, there are lots of different things you can admire in a player. Nadal is probably the ultimate example of someone who isn't effortless and often makes the game look hard, and he's on the greatest players of all time.

And I think Kim's style of play is pretty similar in that she is probably the best defender in the women's game, and although she isn't the biggest hitter, she's probably the most measured attacker. So she deserves her success.

Then what can she do to "deserve" the podium? Obviously we'd love to see her have to actually fight to win all these accolades but maybe you should consider directing your frustration towards the players who actually are making it easier for her.Agreed. Exact same argument as that for all those pissed off at Wozniacki being no. 1.

salvy41
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:23 AM
She won 5 tournaments last year. What the hell are you even talking about? I'd understand your gripe if she was winning 10+ (like Federer during his golden years). Stop moaning.

Mercredi
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Kim deserves to win the tournaments, she does. If that makes you feel sick - GOOD!

Well said, and at least we have a top player who takes her job seriously, every time she steps on the court she really tries, and she even came back strong after everyone wrote her off last year with her petrova match.
Go Kim, u r an inspiration

Stamp Paid
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:35 AM
Meh. As long as she doesnt start winning slams all over the place.

Gregorio87
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:43 AM
This is the sort of complete rubbish which is normally found in the mens tennis forums.

THIS!

"Undeserved podium", the best joke of the year already :lol:
She is a far better player than the current N.o. 1 and 2, she deserves the N.o. 1 spot currently. If Serena will come back finally it will change, but Kim has a good chance against even her at slams.
And these I find her game ugly, so she doesn't deserve to be ranked that high logic is always getting on my nerves...

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 12:55 PM
THIS!

"Undeserved podium", the best joke of the year already :lol:
She is a far better player than the current N.o. 1 and 2, she deserves the N.o. 1 spot currently. If Serena will come back finally it will change, but Kim has a good chance against even her at slams.
And these I find her game ugly, so she doesn't deserve to be ranked that high logic is always getting on my nerves...

Instead of just saying everyone is wrong, why don't you actually back up what you're saying with real reasons?

Miss Amor
Jan 13th, 2011, 12:57 PM
Well, the other option is Wozniacki, so I am not particularly unhappy about this scenario.

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Kim didn't have to fight like she did against Alisa. This is only a Tier II before a major.
She enjoys these battles. I saw that at the YEC. When Caro won set 2 in the final & was up a break in the final set, I thought Kim would be tired or frustrated. Happens to most players in a long match with long rallies at the end of a tiring week.
But she keeps fighting, and that's working for her.

Gawain
Jan 13th, 2011, 12:59 PM
You know you're doing well when your haters get cranky. :cheer:

Raiden
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:04 PM
I'm sorry, but what is it that Kim does that is out of the ordinary, that makes her deserving of all the vomitious reverence she seems to have gained? She does nothing special.Bullshit. You yourself keep saying that Kim is above everyone else who's too mediocre and inferior. Yet, simultaneously here you are contradicting yourself and saying that Kim is ordinary. Which one is it? Is she ordinary or better? Make up your mind kblade

She has very little varietyAgain, tell me who have more variety in their game than Kim. Who are the players who can mix it up better than Clijsters? Post the godddamn video of those players. So far everything you say is just empty, hollow rant of a resentful jelous person that has no basis in truth whatsoever.

she only slices when out of position and only moves forward when she is forced. She doesn't have a fantastic serve. She merely runs all day and tries to keep the ball in play until her unfit slash overweight opponents run out of energy.Hogwash.

Kim does things like coming to the net more often than ALL other players except Justine.

What you're talking about would have been called point-construction in yesteryears. That's what Kim is doing all the time. But I guess you're one of those people who've gotten so used to the lack of that aspect of tennis in modern women's game that you get almost upset when you witness it :lol:

Lapaco
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:07 PM
When somebody dominates like this, they are bound to have many haters :lol:

LoveFifteen
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:11 PM
Kim doesn't win, her opponents lose? Jesus, children, the bitterness here is a just pitiful. Don't be so hateful just because your fave is a mentally weak, pot-bellied mess from Eastern Europe with a bridesmaid complex! :hug:

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:34 PM
funny that you are bashing Clijsters all the time, yet not applying the same standards to your own faves here - if she's just a "pusher" and retriever, then what do you consider someone like Pushnicki - an aggressive baseliner?:lol: You seem to be hyping her ass up all the time while she gets blown off the court by any competent ballstriker. And it doesn't matter if Kim is "muscling" the ball - she gets the job done at the end of the day. Nadull's tennis is ugly too, yet he has 9 GS's under his belt. The days of elegant and effortless power are leaving us anyway with today's racquets and slowniness of most courts.

Yep, you've described the problems of both WTA and ATP perfectly. Mental midgetry and inconsistency run rampant. The person who wins the most is the one who can keep the ball in court. The only thing going for ATP is great Roger Federer still giving out beatings to Fakervic and Nadull to keep these upstart kids honest and keep real fans of tennis watching the game. WTA is dire, though. With Justine still recovering from injury, Serena injured, we have this opportunist taking advantage and winning titles she'd never have won in her first career with the level of tennis she has demonstrated. That is what the most annoying. I hope Kimmie meets an aggressive ball striker in AO to expose her for what she is. The 6-0 6-1 beating last year at the hands of Petrova was an important result, which put her '09 USO win into context.

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:35 PM
I read that since Kim came back she won 7 QF's. She is 7-0 inSF's and 6-0 in finals heading into this final.
So she has become a good big match player, whenever she gets thru the early rounds.

Lapaco
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Yep, you've described the problems of both WTA and ATP perfectly. Mental midgetry and inconsistency run rampant. The person who wins the most is the one who can keep the ball in court. The only thing going for ATP is great Roger Federer still giving out beatings to Fakervic and Nadull to keep these upstart kids honest and keep real fans of tennis watching the game. WTA is dire, though. With Justine still recovering from injury, Serena injured, we have this opportunist taking advantage and winning titles she'd never have won in her first career with the level of tennis she has demonstrated. That is what the most annoying. I hope Kimmie meets an aggressive ball striker in AO to expose her for what she is. The 6-0 6-1 beating last year at the hands of Petrova was an important result, which put her '09 USO win into context.

Clijsters was beating Henin before the injury, and she also beat Serena to win the USO. :hug:

Lin Lin
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:46 PM
what do you mean?Shoudl Kim intentionally lose it?:unsure:Player work so hard out there:shrug:They deserve what they get:shrug:

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:48 PM
Clijsters was beating Henin before the injury, and she also beat Serena to win the USO. :hug:

That's not the point. She beat Henin plenty of times before she retired too. You claimed Pushsters was "dominating" in your previous post. But in reality the match is always on the other player's racquet. Aggressive, flat striking, good serve will always expose her game and she'll revert into retrieving mode and ultimately lose. That's exactly what Petrova did. That's exactly what Zvonareva did @ wimby in the last 2 sets. That's what Henin was doing before she got injured. A player who truly dominates plays aggressive tennis and certainly doesn't lose 0 and 1 in 4th round of grand slam :hug:

Serena_Williams_
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:50 PM
i'm not sick of her winning tournaments im just a bit sick of not beating top players in arow to win them

Lapaco
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:54 PM
That's not the point. She beat Henin plenty of times before she retired too. You claimed Pushsters was "dominating" in your previous post. But in reality the match is always on the other player's racquet. Aggressive, flat striking, good serve will always expose her game and she'll revert into retrieving mode and ultimately lose. That's exactly what Petrova did. That's exactly what Zvonareva did @ wimby in the last 2 sets. That's what Henin was doing before she got injured. A player who truly dominates plays aggressive tennis and certainly doesn't lose 0 and 1 in 4th round of grand slam :hug:
Zvonareva's aggressive, flat striking :rolls:

You are really amazing :lol:

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:55 PM
Bullshit. You yourself keep saying that Kim is above everyone else who's too mediocre and inferior. Yet, simultaneously here you are contradicting yourself and saying that Kim is ordinary. Which one is it? Is she ordinary or better? Make up your mind kblade

Again, tell me who have more variety in their game than Kim. Who are the players who can mix it up better than Clijsters? Post the godddamn video of those players. So far everything you say is just empty, hollow rant of a resentful jelous person that has no basis in truth whatsoever.

Hogwash.

Kim does things like coming to the net more often than ALL other players except Justine.
What you're talking about would have been called point-construction in yesteryears. That's what Kim is doing all the time. But I guess you're one of those people who've gotten so used to the lack of that aspect of tennis in modern women's game that you get almost upset when you witness it :lol:

She isn't special. She doesn't do anything exceptionally well except run and keep the ball in the court. Oh, and she also has her party trick of sliding on hard courts. She is ordinary, but at the moment, the rest of the tour is atrocius and lacking dominant players, and so she can play awful tennis and still win. Don't deny it, she played shit tennis at the US Open and YEC and still took home the silver ware. Like I have said once and I will say again, it proves what state the tour is when Clijsters can come back and have more success in a couple of years than she had in her enitre first career playing worse tennis.

Secondly, who has more variety than Clijsters?

Serena, Venus, Stosur, Schiavone, Henin, Radwanska, even Kleybanova, MJMS. The list goes on and on. Oh, and last time I checked, players who construct points don't sit on the baseline and just run from side to side until their opponent hits an error.

As for the bolded area. Are you freaking kidding me?

Stonerpova
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:55 PM
First of all, "Pushters" is a terrible attempt at a joke. First of all because "Push" and "Clijs" are not similar at all. Second of all because Clijsters is a pretty aggressive player. I think I'm going to start calling Henin "Bashin"

I'm not sick of Kim. I mean, she's super nice, great story, fun to watch, and she goes out there and wins matches. I wish she would play more, because then she would have better chances at other majors and would probably be #1. She's not my favorite, but she's good enough.

mariavikafan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Kim does things like coming to the net more often than ALL other players except Justine.

:lol::lol::lol: if we're talking about coming to the net, Sharapova and Venus are clearly ahead, stop being delusional.

To answer to the thread, it's not like she is winning every single major so I guess I can deal with that and it's way better to see Clijsters than Wozniacki. I always said I'm not really impressed by Kim's game she can't serve and players don't take advantage of that, her last match vs Sharapova was a joke Maria was hitting her second serves harder than Kim's first ones and was about to beat her 6263 before the rain delay Kim is a great defensive player but it's true she will never be able to beat offensive players if they're on, the match will always be on the other player's racquet but right now all her rivals sucks.

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:02 PM
That's not the point. She beat Henin plenty of times before she retired too. You claimed Pushsters was "dominating" in your previous post. But in reality the match is always on the other player's racquet. Aggressive, flat striking, good serve will always expose her game and she'll revert into retrieving mode and ultimately lose. That's exactly what Petrova did. That's exactly what Zvonareva did @ wimby in the last 2 sets. That's what Henin was doing before she got injured. A player who truly dominates plays aggressive tennis and certainly doesn't lose 0 and 1 in 4th round of grand slam :hug:

Actually I think Zvonareva won because she was the one playing the defence in that match, and Kim was forced to move out of her defensive mind set and actually had to play aggressively against a player with decent defensive skills. Needless to say, she hit too many errors and lost.

AcesHigh
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:03 PM
Not really but I'm sick of the hype she's getting from it. We know she can beat all these scrubs, but until Serena, Venus and Justine are back and healthy, Kim doesn't really have anyone who is a worthy opponent. Sure, there will be the upset here and there, but that's about it.

I don't get it... Serena was beating the same competition minus Henin before Kim started winning but she got no crap :shrug:

And Kim has a great record against Serena, Venus and Justine since her return.

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:04 PM
Zvonareva's aggressive, flat striking :rolls:

You are really amazing :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I hate Zvonareva, but she did play aggressive in the last 2 sets, attacked the net and served better than she normally does. Pushsters' game totally unravelled, her defending completely failed and underlined the reason why she never made Wimbledon final: On a fast surface, favoring the aggressor and server - mommy Kim is helpless - even against mental midget Zvonareva who has barely passable grass game.

AcesHigh
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:04 PM
:lol::lol::lol: if we're talking about coming to the net, Sharapova and Venus are clearly ahead, stop being delusional.

Sharapova... :spit: Wow you must never watch tennis. There's a reason Kim was a doubles #1

KBlade
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:05 PM
I don't get it... Serena was beating the same competition minus Henin before Kim started winning but she got no crap :shrug:

And Kim has a great record against Serena, Venus and Justine since her return.

Because Serena has proven she could win slams against notable competition and other greats. Clijster's has only beaten and aging Pierce in a slam final and two mental midgets.

As for her records, Serena was defaulted that match. She has only barely scraped through pretty much all matches against Justine and Venus upon her return.

mariavikafan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Sharapova... :spit: Wow you must never watch tennis. There's a reason Kim was a doubles #1

We're talking about coming to the net here, not volleying Maria and Venus aren't great volleyers but thanks to their big shots they often come to the net, more than Clijsters that's for sure.

AcesHigh
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Because Serena has proven she could win slams against notable competition and other greats. Clijster's has only beaten and aging Pierce in a slam final and two mental midgets.

As for her records, Serena was defaulted that match. She has only barely scraped through pretty much all matches against Justine and Venus upon her return.

She's beaten Henin 3 times in one year.. and she's beaten Venus several times in a row. At this point Kim is better than Henin and Venus. Just admit it.

As for Serena, she LOST. She was LOSING. Get over it.

AcesHigh
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:13 PM
We're talking about coming to the net here, not volleying Maria and Venus aren't great volleyers but thanks to their big shots they often come to the net, more than Clijsters that's for sure.

The only thing Sharapova is good at up there is coming in to finish off a weak shot with a swinging volley... and even that is often from midcourt.

I'd say Kim is much better at traditionally coming to net, putting the shot away with a punch volley, drop volley, or great angle.
Her decision making is also better.. approach shots are not just powerful shots from the baseline. They often take some skill and finesse.

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Remember, this is Kim after having a baby, being a mom now.
What she's doing is extremely difficult. We might never see a mom win multiple majors again.

mariavikafan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:21 PM
The only thing Sharapova is good at up there is coming in to finish off a weak shot with a swinging volley... and even that is often from midcourt.

I'd say Kim is much better at traditionally coming to net, putting the shot away with a punch volley, drop volley, or great angle.
Her decision making is also better.. approach shots are not just powerful shots from the baseline. They often take some skill and finesse.

Yes the job is basically done when she come to the net but we were talking about coming to the net and the fact is that Sharapova and Venus come more often than Clijsters.
And what do you mean when you say finish off a weak shot, as if it was easy to do the job from the baseline with power and precision don't even try to argue about angles because Maria's angles are way more interesting than Clijsters' ones, FH and BH side and power is there too.

Ciarán
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:22 PM
I'm not. She has a great game and is exciting to watch.

<Sven>
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:22 PM
I don't see how I could ever get tired of Kim winning tournament :bounce:
I feel bad for her haters right now... All they can cling on to is that 6-0; 6-1 loss against Petrova and pray to God that it will happen again.
She's just the best out there at the moment, but she sure isn't going to win every tournament she enters (although I'd be delighted), so you'll get your fun, be patient.
I just hope she manages to win this AO :p

pattyclijsters
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:23 PM
What do u want Kim to do? Lose on purpose? It's not her fault other players are worse when she plays them. :shrug:

pattyclijsters
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:27 PM
I don't get it... Serena was beating the same competition minus Henin before Kim started winning but she got no crap :shrug:



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ViceUltramontain
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Because Serena has proven she could win slams against notable competition and other greats. Clijster's has only beaten and aging Pierce in a slam final and two mental midgets.

As for her records, Serena was defaulted that match. She has only barely scraped through pretty much all matches against Justine and Venus upon her return.


She had a bye into the final each time ! Damn, I've missed that.

thrust
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:29 PM
Yes, it annoys me that a mediocre baseliner like Kim is succeeding thanks to a weak era.

To say that Kim is a medicore baseliner, is just plain silly! She was always a great athlete with a powerful game always capable of beating anyone. What she lacked in the past was the mentat toughness to win Slam finals, today, she has that mental toughness. She also seems as strong and fit as she ever was. I too am and avid Justine fan, but admire Kim's game, highly. The problem with most of the younger players today, is that they are not as good athletes with the determination of the: Williams, Henin, Kim, Davenport, Hingis or Capriatti.

SOA_MC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:43 PM
hmmm op upset because Kim is about to undisputedly pass Pova on the alltime players list.

John.
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:50 PM
I'm not sick of it. Hoping she'll be winning another 2 this month

fish_wilson
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:53 PM
kim annoys me.

AcesHigh
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:53 PM
It's funny b/c Kim is loved by every crowd she plays in front of. Only on TF have I seen her hated like this

jrm
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:59 PM
I don't get you, people!!!

when we have open field everyone is saying decline of female tennis

but when we have one player winning everything, that's not good either

make up your mind

Gregorio87
Jan 13th, 2011, 03:00 PM
Instead of just saying everyone is wrong, why don't you actually back up what you're saying with real reasons?

Not everyone, YOU are wrong :p
You can't really back up what you are saying, nor can't I my opinion, that's why I don't like these debates.
You don't like Kim so you try to create reasons why she isn't such a good player, but these reasons are completely irrelevant and subjective. So instead of countinue this endless conversation I will wait for Kim's results. If Kim will take the No. 1 spot after the AO I will come back to laugh in your face, if Kim will loose early you can do the same with me. :wavey: