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MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:06 AM
For the players Is it harder to deal with injuries or mental blocks??
As a player(and i have dabbled in ATP satelite events) my problems are mental and i defintely feel like those are far more frustrating because you can always comeback from an injury but once something becomes mental(depending on your head) there may never be a solution! Plus the feeling of playing perfectly in practice only to do a 180 in the actual match has to be one of the most torturous and depressing things i personally have experienced!

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:08 AM
Physical problems are much worse. Most of the time when people say mental problems, the real reason for the loss is that their game has a weakness in it.
Physical problems, like Safina & Sharapova, they can screw over your whole career.

SELVEN
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:11 AM
The former,beacuse it will be never healed.

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Physical problems are much worse. Most of the time when people say mental problems, the real reason for the loss is that their game has a weakness in it.
Physical problems, like Safina & Sharapova, they can screw over your whole career.
Think carefully about what you said.....Maria no longer has a physical problem,its all mental. See her injury lead her to have mental problems but then injury went away and she is still left with the mental issues!!!

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:27 AM
I think that injury and the time off and the different service motions are all physical.
You can say Dinara's back isn't a problem now either, but that time off and all the problems it caused were physical.
They are not the same players anymore. I dont think Maria suddenly became a mental case. She went thru a lot just get back on the tour.

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:44 AM
I think that injury and the time off and the different service motions are all physical.
You can say Dinara's back isn't a problem now either, but that time off and all the problems it caused were physical.
They are not the same players anymore. I dont think Maria suddenly became a mental case. She went thru a lot just get back on the tour.
Dinara obviously still has issues with her back as even she herself has said it but Maria.....the lack of aggresion,the tenativeness,pushing and guiding the ball,the doubt she never used to have,the nervous double faults......that's all mental(minus some of the doubles) trust me, especially when in practice she excels!

duhcity
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:52 AM
Is the injury like a blister? Or a Dinara/Maria case?

If then, it's the physical injury. Because even if you do recover, it'll be there mentally.

Horizon
Jan 13th, 2011, 01:57 AM
Is the injury like a blister? Or a Dinara/Maria case?

If then, it's the physical injury. Because even if you do recover, it'll be there mentally.
Exactly... so surely mental problems are worse?


Take the Seles incident:
Physically, it took her a while for her body to recover; hospital, bandages etc.
But mentally, she was never quite the same. Isn't that what really hurt her?

Elisse
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:00 AM
Mental problems are far worse than injuries. Though injuries are frustrating, especially if you are prone to them...the mental aspect is more debilitating, always having in your mind the prospect of the next injury etc...

Also mental insecurities can be from all different parts of life, not just the tennis...yes worrying that you can't win a match, thinking that you are not good enough to play at the highest level, lack of confidence, worrying about retaining ranking points, plus the constant feeling that you need to play perfectly but also in private parts of life too...relationships, missing home and family, financial problems, pressure from Federations/sponsors can all contribute to mental weakness, and when you have those doubts about different aspects of life it all just builds up and can make the person feel totally out of control. If you have an injury...even a serious knee injury for example, you have the operation, you do the physio, you recover and you come back and play. Mental insecurities are far worse and often can't be solved until the person stops playing. (Dokic is a classic example of someone whose career has been effected due to psycology)

I think there are probably more players who have retired because of mental problems rather than injury...even if we don't know about it.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:04 AM
Both can destroy a career, but if I was a player and I was given the choice, I'd definitely prefer to have mental problems. I think once you have a serious physical problem you're usually never going to be 100% again, but you can be 100% again after dealing with mental problems. So that's the big difference for me. Injuries are often permanent, but mental problems are only temporary.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:07 AM
Think carefully about what you said.....Maria no longer has a physical problem,its all mental. See her injury lead her to have mental problems but then injury went away and she is still left with the mental issues!!!

I don't think that's true at all. I think Maria's problems are still more physical than mental. She's had a loss of confidence for sure, but it comes from the fact that she's no longer able to play the way she used to.

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:09 AM
Both can destroy a career, but if I was a player and I was given the choice, I'd definitely prefer to have mental problems. I think once you have a serious physical problem you're usually never going to be 100% again, but you can be 100% again after dealing with mental problems. So that's the big difference for me. Injuries are often permanent, but mental problems are only temporary.
I think it's 100% opposite. Injuries heal over time and with enough training and determination can be overcome....but mental problems in the head can never be healed. Put it this way tough injury/surgery can take 6-12 months to fully heal but a severe mental problem can be with you for years!!

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:12 AM
I don't think that's true at all. I think Maria's problems are still more physical than mental. She's had a loss of confidence for sure, but it comes from the fact that she's no longer able to play the way she used to.
That's not true at all, just look at her play last summer,specifically Cincinatti....she was blitzing in form players left and right and up until the rain delay in the final,she was looking to be the Maria of old. That fact alone proves that its all in her head!

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:13 AM
depends on the injury and the player....

physical can lead to mental even after the physical has healed....

some small injuries are just a wait it out and get back to normal...some mental things like elena/petrova seemingly can't be overcome

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:15 AM
Dinara obviously still has issues with her back as even she herself has said it but Maria.....the lack of aggresion,the tenativeness,pushing and guiding the ball,the doubt she never used to have,the nervous double faults......that's all mental(minus some of the doubles) trust me, especially when in practice she excels!

A lot of that comes from the fact that she's not as fast as she used to be. The double faults come from her having problems with decelerating her arm when she serves. And the doubt comes from not being able to play the way she used to play, and in particular not being able to rely on her serve as much. In other words, any mental issues she has are the result of the physical issues she's dealing with. There's nothing mentally wrong with her beyond what you would expect from any player dealing with physical injuries.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:17 AM
That's not true at all, just look at her play last summer,specifically Cincinatti....she was blitzing in form players left and right and up until the rain delay in the final,she was looking to be the Maria of old. That fact alone proves that its all in her head!

That's ridiculous. There was no sign of Maria having any mental issues after the rain delay. Clijsters just came back and starting playing much better than she had been.

gc-spurs
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:21 AM
Depends on the injury/injuries obviously. Take Yao Ming- physical injuries have killed his career. I'd want mental problems than his injuries any day.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:24 AM
I think it's 100% opposite. Injuries heal over time and with enough training and determination can be overcome....but mental problems in the head can never be healed. Put it this way tough injury/surgery can take 6-12 months to fully heal but a severe mental problem can be with you for years!!

You're completely wrong. I work in workers compensation so I deal with people with injuries every day. The bottom line is, once you have a serious physical injury you're almost never going to be 100% again. But mental problems are completely different (and this is something else I've had a lot of experience with.) They're not necessarily easier to cure, but with mental problems you know that if can get through them you definitely have a chance to get back to 100%. With serious physical injures that's often simply not possible.

Claycourter
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:24 AM
Physical injuries lead to mental problems. When you know your body is @ 100%, you can forget about it and concentrate on tactics and your game. When you have an injury, it's always in the back of your mind and prevents you from playing your normal game.

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:27 AM
That's ridiculous. There was no sign of Maria having any mental issues after the rain delay. Clijsters just came back and starting playing much better than she had been.
No no no no no,i said nothing of the like....i said HER PLAY especically up until that point,had been very good and like Maria of old.....therefore stating that she has gotten back to her old level since returning from injury! re read again next time sir(or ma'am)

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:31 AM
You're completely wrong. I work in workers compensation so I deal with people with injuries every day. The bottom line is, once you have a serious physical injury you're almost never going to be 100% again. But mental problems are completely different (and this is something else I've had a lot of experience with.) They're not necessarily easier to cure, but with mental problems you know that if can get through them you definitely have a chance to get back to 100%. With serious physical injures that's often simply not possible.
And i work in the psychology field(as well as being a minor tour player myself).......so your point is? As i have said,obviously seeing as i brought the question up, any smart person would take that as me looking for an answer. Your point is fine,i was simpily countering your previous points indicating that those specific instances weren't physical issues but mental. I never disagreed about physical injuries in general.

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:33 AM
No no no no no,i said nothing of the like....i said HER PLAY especically up until that point,had been very good and like Maria of old.....therefore stating that she has gotten back to her old level since returning from injury! re read again next time sir(or ma'am)I saw the SF with Nastia & that was nowhere near the old Maria.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:40 AM
Mental problems are far worse than injuries. Though injuries are frustrating, especially if you are prone to them...the mental aspect is more debilitating, always having in your mind the prospect of the next injury etc...

Also mental insecurities can be from all different parts of life, not just the tennis...yes worrying that you can't win a match, thinking that you are not good enough to play at the highest level, lack of confidence, worrying about retaining ranking points, plus the constant feeling that you need to play perfectly but also in private parts of life too...relationships, missing home and family, financial problems, pressure from Federations/sponsors can all contribute to mental weakness, and when you have those doubts about different aspects of life it all just builds up and can make the person feel totally out of control. If you have an injury...even a serious knee injury for example, you have the operation, you do the physio, you recover and you come back and play. Mental insecurities are far worse and often can't be solved until the person stops playing. (Dokic is a classic example of someone whose career has been effected due to psycology)

I think there are probably more players who have retired because of mental problems rather than injury...even if we don't know about it.

I don't agree with a single word of this. The last line, particular, is completely ridiculous. There are certainly players who retire for psychological reasons, but one would have to imagine that the overwhelming majority of players who retire due so because they can't keep up physically, either due to advancing age or injuries or a combination of the two.

And dealing with physical injuries is not as simple as having an operation and then coming back. You're never the same after that operation. From that point on, you'll never be 100% again and you often have to adjust the way you play to work within your new limitations.

With mental problems, at least you're dealing with something where you know, if you can successfully deal with it, that you can probably get back to 100% again. I'm sure if you asked all the players who have had serious injuries if they would have rather have had mental problems, they'd all say yes.

Petkorazzi
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:44 AM
Mental problems are much worse. Believe me, it does not do you any good when you have choked so many times that you pretty much are ready to choke again in a match.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:47 AM
No no no no no,i said nothing of the like....i said HER PLAY especically up until that point,had been very good and like Maria of old.....therefore stating that she has gotten back to her old level since returning from injury! re read again next time sir(or ma'am)

So what exactly are you are arguing? That she was fine mentally during that match but has started to have mental problems since then?

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:52 AM
Mental problems are much worse. Believe me, it does not do you any good when you have choked so many times that you pretty much are ready to choke again in a match.

No one is saying mental problems don't complicate being a successful tennis player, but with mental problems there's always hope of success. With physical problems there's often no hope.

Just look at Safina for example. She had some of the worst mental issues on the tour, but still got to #1 in the world and 3 slam finals. But once she had a serious injury, that, unlike the mental issues, destroyed her as a player.

goldenlox
Jan 13th, 2011, 02:55 AM
And dealing with physical injuries is not as simple as having an operation and then coming back. You're never the same after that operation. From that point on, you'll never be 100% again and you often have to adjust the way you play to work within your new limitations...We agree on this. I dont think Maria is the same player as the women who won the 2008 AO.
That's just opinion, but I think major injuries, like Dinara, Maria, of course Monica - they change the player. It's a different player a few years later, who had to overcome a lot just to get back on the tour, instead of having a reasonable career arc.

Orbis
Jan 13th, 2011, 03:03 AM
This is a difficult question because there are obviously mental components to physical injuries. Serious physical injuries are more debilitating to a player overall, at least if you have problems choking you can still play and win matches, you would obviously have trouble with big matches though.

If mental problems extend to the idea of motivation, however, that also brings up an interesting point. If you're just not into the game you won't find much purpose or excitement in playing anyway.

I think the worst problem would be a serious injury that constantly affects you and eventually causes you to retire/cuts your career short because you would always be wondering "what if?" for the rest of your life.

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 03:04 AM
We agree on this. I dont think Maria is the same player as the women who won the 2008 AO.
That's just opinion, but I think major injuries, like Dinara, Maria, of course Monica - they change the player. It's a different player a few years later, who had to overcome a lot just to get back on the tour, instead of having a reasonable career arc.

Well in Monica's case I do think it was mostly mental and not physical, but still, I'd rather be Monica Seles than Maureen Connolly.

Elisse
Jan 13th, 2011, 03:14 AM
I don't agree with a single word of this. The last line, particular, is completely ridiculous. There are certainly players who retire for psychological reasons, but one would have to imagine that the overwhelming majority of players who retire due so because they can't keep up physically, either due to advancing age or injuries or a combination of the two.


You don't agree with my post and I certainly don't agree with your post either...you are just guessing at what you think is right :o Do you actually know any pro players personally? (ATP or WTA) Well, if you did, and I don't just mean as 'Facebook friends'...then you would understand what a huge problem psycology and mental insecurity is amongst pro players...far worse than any injury.


With mental problems, at least you're dealing with something where you know, if you can successfully deal with it, that you can probably get back to 100% again.

Not true...for a start, before you can solve mental problems you need to acknowledge them in the first place...if you can't see it physically, you don't always realise it's there. Secondly, if you've has psycological problems, like any other injury...you will never be '100%' permanently even with successful treatment.....it's a far bigger problem amongst pro players than you realise...

AnomyBC
Jan 13th, 2011, 03:51 AM
You don't agree with my post and I certainly don't agree with your post either...you are just guessing at what you think is right :o Do you actually know any pro players personally? (ATP or WTA) Well, if you did, and I don't just mean as 'Facebook friends'...then you would understand what a huge problem psycology and mental insecurity is amongst pro players...far worse than any injury.

Not true...for a start, before you can solve mental problems you need to acknowledge them in the first place...if you can't see it physically, you don't always realise it's there. Secondly, if you've has psycological problems, like any other injury...you will never be '100%' permanently even with successful treatment.....it's a far bigger problem amongst pro players than you realise...

Obviously, I realize that psychological problems are a major issue in the WTA. Anyone who's watched women's tennis in recent years is aware of these issues. (I even started a thread last year about how I thought Safina or Zvonareva could have won slams if they had been on anti-depressants.) And I've dealt a lot with psychological issues in my own life as well (I've been hospitalized 3 times for severe depression.) But to suggest that mental issues are worse for a tennis player than injuries is absolutely, jaw-droppingly absurd. I can't imagine any reasonable, logical argument to defend that position.

TheBoiledEgg
Jan 13th, 2011, 04:55 AM
mental probs are definately much worse

even after injury has long healed, you sometimes are cautious hitting out fully, or dont go flat out for movement cos its in your head it might go again.

Potato
Jan 13th, 2011, 04:59 AM
Physical injuries lead to mental problems. When you know your body is @ 100%, you can forget about it and concentrate on tactics and your game. When you have an injury, it's always in the back of your mind and prevents you from playing your normal game.

Did you guys just ignore this post because it was from Claycourter? He does actually know a lot about tennis.

I agree with him 100%.

Many examples have been put in this thread. For example, Sharapova - if it weren't for that shoulder injury, she most likely wouldn't have most of the problems she has now. If JJ didn't roll her ankle during the first tournament of the hard court season, she most likely would still be in the top 5 and be a threat.

Only real champions are able to get through the injury and not let it effect them, like the Serena and Henin.

MakarovaFan
Jan 13th, 2011, 05:08 AM
I saw the SF with Nastia & that was nowhere near the old Maria.
Oh boy i swear people dont read.....i said the tournament as a whole.....especially the Bartoli,Aga Radwanska and Petkovic beatings

Juanes
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:26 AM
mental problem is kind of injury :shrug: :lol:

young_gunner913
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Injury problems.

Headcases can have very successful careers see: Safina & Zvonareva.

BartoliBabes
Jan 13th, 2011, 10:41 AM
injury obviously

Tezuka.
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:01 AM
Mental problems imo.Dementieva & Chakvetadze are good examples.:sad:

Prizeidiot
Jan 13th, 2011, 11:41 AM
I immediately thought mental problems when I saw this question, but as soon as I started typing and trying to justify my opinions, I realised the question was too broad for me to make an argument either way.

Main issuem with this debate is that injury problems almost always lead to mental problems (e.g. regaining confidence in your body, dealing with the fact that you were at a certain level and now you aren't, wondering if you can get back to where you were, etc). Plus it also depends on the type of physical injury. Are we talking about chronic injuries that affect a player their whole career, injuries that are just niggles that the person can play through, or injuries that put a player out of action for a while but then doesn't affect them thereafter?

goldenlox
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Sharapova's comments today show how closely physical problems & mental problems are. She lost some reaction time & focus from the time away from the tour.

"I think one of the things I lost by not playing for a while is the action/reaction in the game a little bit, almost like the hand eye coordination, letting things happen a little bit more by themselves and not worrying about things that happened maybe three points (http://www.tennisforum.com/#) ago or so on. I think that's the thing that takes most time."

A-Bond
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:42 PM
DEFINITELY Injury Problems I mean Sveta is a big choker and yet she won 2 slams :shrug: Players like Golovin would sell their soul for that. I mean ok Pova and Dinara are losing lots of matches now because they still have their injuries in their mind, but it's still better than not playing and doing nothing as both had to do. I mean still if you are a headcase you can have a good career. I mean Daniela and Nadia won big titles, made good GS-Results. There are players with lots of talent which can't achieve that because of injury-problems.

terjw
Jan 15th, 2011, 03:45 PM
I think if yopu asked any professional tennis player - it would be unanimous that the worst thing they experienced was being out long term with a physical injury - I can't reallly think of anything that is worse for them and I think they would all say that was the lowest point of their career

Craig.
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:06 PM
Mental problems after injury problems :sobbing:

skanky~skanketta
Jan 15th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Physical problems are worse IMO. For instance, Dementieva. Shehad a decent enough serve early on in her career, and then she had a shoulder injury and though it healed, her serve never recovered.

With injuries, there is a constant fear of aggravating the injury.