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chuvack
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:38 AM
If you want to win the AO, don't win Sydney. If you want to win Wimby, don't win Eastbourne. And if you want to win the USO, don't win Newhaven. (FO hasn't historically had a major lead-up event held 1 week before)


On memory, I can recall only 2 times in the last 12 years when a lead-up winner went on to claim the following GS:

Venus Williams '00 USO
Justine Henin '04 AO.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:41 AM
All these 'dont win a tournament before a slam' statistics have been influenced mainly by 2 players. It doesn't necessarily apply to the rest imo.

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:45 AM
hmm i don't particularly agree. "professionals" come out after 1-2 days rest and play the exact same way and even better in some cases (that will also depend on fitness of that particular player-each player is individual). Also the experience in matches can only be a good thing i suppose:)

Gawain
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:47 AM
So if Kim doesn't win Sydney at least we know why.

chuvack
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:48 AM
All these 'dont win a tournament before a slam' statistics have been influenced mainly by 2 players. It doesn't necessarily apply to the rest imo.


Fair enough, that applies to Eastbourne since the Williams have never played it. But Serena has played Sydney a bunch of times without winning it.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:54 AM
Fair enough, that applies to Eastbourne since the Williams have never played it. But Serena has played Sydney a bunch of times without winning it.

Thats what I am saying, Serena has influenced this statistic (whether it be at AO or at Wimbly or at USO) quite heavily along with Venus (at Wimbledon). Just because they can win Grandslams without being 'in-form' during the build-up doesn't mean the rest can too. It also depends on your age, if you are young enough, your body and mind can manage to be at its best for a longer stretch of time.

Droolv
Jan 11th, 2011, 12:13 PM
If you want to do well at a Slam, win the lead-up event? :shrug:

Here are the Sydney winners from the last 20 years and in brackets, how they fared at the Australian Open.

With the exception of 4 winners, the rest all reached the quarterfinals or better.

2010 - Dementieva (Round 2)
2009 - Dementieva (Semifinal)
2008 - Henin (Quarterfinal)
2007 - Clijsters (Semifinal)
2006 - Henin (Final)
2005 - Molik (Quarterfinal)
2004 - Henin (Winner)
2003 - Clijsters (Semifinal)
2002 - Hingis (Final)
2001 - Hingis (Final)
2000 - Mauresmo (Round 2)
1999 - Davenport (Semifinal)
1998 - Sanchez Vicario (Quaterfinal)
1997 - Hingis (Winner)
1996 - Seles (Winner)
1995 - Sabatini (Round 1)
1994 - Date (Semifinal)
1993 - Capriati (Quaterfinal)
1992 - Sabatini (Semifinal)
1991 - Novotna (Final)
1990 - Zvereva (Round 2)

It's difficult to win back to back events, let alone 12 straight matches...

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jan 11th, 2011, 12:20 PM
Seles was unbeaten in all the Australian tournaments till 1998 :worship: Shame she never played in Sydney in her peak years.

jimbo mack
Jan 11th, 2011, 12:26 PM
Novotna won Eastbourne then Wimbledon in 1998....another example. She was pretty much unbeatable on grass that year

doooma6816
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Justine...won eastbourne 2 times and didn't win Wimbledon...

Uranium
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Venus did it twice, 2000 and 2001 US Open.

tennnisfannn
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:58 PM
You could also make a case that if you want to win slams don't win any other tournaments period! That stat applies to her majesty Serena who has 4 slams in her last 5 title haul, YEC being the exception.

Matt01
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:45 PM
If you want to win Wimby, don't win Eastbourne.


Tell that to Navratilova won 9 Wimbledon titles and 7 out of these 9 times, she won Eastbourne the week before.

AcesHigh
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:49 PM
A better thread would be that great form in lead-up tournaments does not necessarily coincide with championship form at the slam.
I believe there's such a thing as peaking too early.

In The Zone
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:18 PM
If you can remember 2000 USO, why not remember 2001 USO? :lol:

Plus, this stat is incredibly misleading given that Henin, Venus, and Serena have been the ones stacking up on all the slams and they rarely play the week before a slam (recently). Henin before Wimbledon is the only exception and we know how many slams she has there.

L'Enfant Sauvage
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:23 PM
If you are world number 81 and reach the final of a grandslam, you will win.