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Lin Lin
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:31 AM
:confused::confused::confused:

Amalgamate
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:36 AM
Kim :sad:

SELVEN
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:38 AM
Go GO Go Kim

Ralph214
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:40 AM
Hard to say, both are in such a mess right now :lol:

Caralenko
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:44 AM
Hard to say, both are in such a mess right now :lol:

:confused: Kim is hardly a mess. She only lost one match since Montreal.

VIKA?
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:54 AM
Kim:lol:

Rafito.
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Kim probably 63 64, but prove me wrong Vika please!

Lin Lin
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:11 AM
#1 and #2 are already gone:lol:whether #3 will survive?:lol:

sammy01
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:21 AM
Hard to say, both are in such a mess right now :lol:

QTR, QTR, W, QTR, W, W, QTR (at least) her last 7 tournaments - yep such a mess clijsters :lol:


kim in 2 sets 1 easy, 1 hard

Pasta-Na
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:22 AM
kim in 2 :p

Frontin
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:29 AM
This should be the final.

Silly draw

Smitten
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:35 AM
Kim without fuss.

KBlade
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:54 AM
I think the winner will come from this match. The level of play this week from the top players has been so disappointing, Clijsters seems to be breezing through without even trying.

Freshi
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:06 AM
Kim in 2 sets

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 11th, 2011, 09:11 AM
Kim should be able to win this one.

Daniel
Jan 11th, 2011, 10:14 AM
Kim in straight sets.

Vikapower
Jan 11th, 2011, 10:52 AM
I voted for Vika by obligation but Kim apparently has a better rhythm and level early on so I hope Vika raises hers to win this thing in 2.

Mistress of Evil
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:34 AM
Kimberly :cheer:

Mightymirza
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:47 AM
kim will but I hope Vika can pull off an upset :)

ElusiveChanteuse
Jan 11th, 2011, 12:56 PM
Kim will win after Vika retired from 6-3, 5-4 40-15 up due to heat.:o :p

Miss Amor
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:01 PM
Kim will win after Vika retired from 6-3, 5-4 40-15 up due to heat.:o :p

The 'Vika retiring' part could be true, she did collapse for over a minute during her match against Makarova.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leu3d4ojH31qdtrjvo1_500.jpg

justineheninfan
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Why wouldnt Kim win easily.

VishaalMaria
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:26 PM
Kim.

Vika's game just suites Kim so much!

LUVMIRZA
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Vika will win this:cheer::cheer:

Claycourter
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:48 PM
The lesser of 2 evils.... Vika.

Lord Choc Ice
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:48 PM
St. Pud's the fave but I actually think Vika will win...

Sp!ffy
Jan 11th, 2011, 01:56 PM
This reminds me of pre-Wimbledon:

Kim had a long break, Kim comes back, Kim dominates Wickmayer and Safarova (nobodies), Kim faces a decent opponent (Azarenka), Kim loses in straights.


Especially seeing that Kim hit 30 UE against Barbie, I expect Vika to win in straights or 3.

Ferg
Jan 11th, 2011, 02:03 PM
This could so easily have been the final after seeing how all the other seeds went.

AnDrEi.b
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:08 PM
I hope Vika, but i think Kim will win this

Break My Rapture
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:16 PM
The 'Vika retiring' part could be true, she did collapse for over a minute during her match against Makarova.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leu3d4ojH31qdtrjvo1_500.jpg
She just tripped and fell (thankfully without injuring herself). :lol:

Keegan
Jan 11th, 2011, 06:30 PM
I'm going to say Vika in 3, just for the sake of it!

danieln1
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Hopefully Victoria in 2... but she´s such a bomb, she can blow up at any minute... If she plays well she can win this, but if she starts to do her usual stuff, she can lose this easily...

AcesHigh
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:55 PM
This reminds me of pre-Wimbledon:

Kim had a long break, Kim comes back, Kim dominates Wickmayer and Safarova (nobodies), Kim faces a decent opponent (Azarenka), Kim loses in straights.


Especially seeing that Kim hit 30 UE against Barbie, I expect Vika to win in straights or 3.

Lmao at Vika being a decent opponent :lol:

is1531
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:02 PM
The winner is Kim Clijsters.

LUVMIRZA
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Lmao at Vika being a decent opponent :lol:

yeah rite...she is more than a decent opponent;)

Break My Rapture
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Lmao at Vika being a decent opponent :lol:
Uhm, what?

it-girl
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Let's go Vika!!!!!

cn ireland
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:38 PM
Kim in 2.

AnaRGChampion
Jan 11th, 2011, 11:21 PM
Go Kim :lick:

hurricanejeanne
Jan 12th, 2011, 12:38 AM
Saint Kim will win in straights.

claypova
Jan 12th, 2011, 01:52 AM
please win this Vika :rocker2:

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 12th, 2011, 02:07 AM
Saint Kim will win in straights.

unfortunately. ugh. :rolleyes:

Jajaloo
Jan 12th, 2011, 02:14 AM
If Vika isn't carried off in a stretcher after the first 5 games, I think she can win this :cheer:

Roookie
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:19 AM
I can see Kim playing this in second gear. She doesn't need more matches after this one IMO.

Kəv.
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:21 AM
She just tripped and fell (thankfully without injuring herself). :lol:

In the Stosur-Kuznetsova match Kuznetsova tripped, I so wish she had retired though :o .

Clijsters easily..

KBlade
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:22 AM
Some-one needs to stop Clijsters on her title rampages. She has continued to make the tour look like a joke ever since she returned. I'm so over how easily she wins titles, it's like she doesn't even have to try because it's just one poor quality opponent after the other, and even if Clijster's still plays shit, she somehow manages to win because her opponents most of the time are chokers. Some of these girls on tour actually need to get out there and prove that they can play tennis, hold it together mentally, and knock Clijsters off. Fark, everyone does it against Venus. Rant over :lol:

V's a star
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:34 AM
Some-one needs to stop Clijsters on her title rampages. She has continued to make the tour look like a joke ever since she returned. I'm so over how easily she wins titles, it's like she doesn't even have to try because it's just one poor quality opponent after the other, and even if Clijster's still plays shit, she somehow manages to win because her opponents most of the time are chokers. Some of these girls on tour actually need to get out there and prove that they can play tennis, hold it together mentally, and knock Clijsters off. Fark, everyone does it against Venus. Rant over :lol:

I couldnt agree more!!! So over it!

cellophane
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:38 AM
and even if Clijster's still plays shit, she somehow manages to win because her opponents most of the time are chokers. Some of these girls on tour actually need to get out there and prove that they can play tennis, hold it together mentally, and knock Clijsters off

She is just a better player than anyone from the new generation :wavey: Deal please.

AcesHigh
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:57 AM
Some-one needs to stop Clijsters on her title rampages. She has continued to make the tour look like a joke ever since she returned. I'm so over how easily she wins titles, it's like she doesn't even have to try because it's just one poor quality opponent after the other, and even if Clijster's still plays shit, she somehow manages to win because her opponents most of the time are chokers. Some of these girls on tour actually need to get out there and prove that they can play tennis, hold it together mentally, and knock Clijsters off. Fark, everyone does it against Venus. Rant over :lol:

Wait.. so when Serena or Henin does it.. it's okay.. but when Kim does it.. everyone seems to get pissed.

KBlade
Jan 12th, 2011, 08:10 AM
Wait.. so when Serena or Henin does it.. it's okay.. but when Kim does it.. everyone seems to get pissed.

No, it's because when Kim does it, her opponents choke, no matter how bad Kim is playing, let's look at Clijsters results for 2010;

Brisbane International; Clijsters leads Henin 6-3 4-0, chokes away 6 straight games, Henin has two match points, chokes them, Clijsters wins.

Miami; Clijsters defeats a cripple/Venus in the final. Basically only has to keep the ball in the court.

Cincinnati; Clijsters being whooped by Sharapova, Rain Delay Saves Clijsters, Maria chokes 3 Championship points, Clijsters wins in Three

US Open; Stosur chokes hard, fails to hold serve practically all match, Kim survives barely, Out of form Venus chokes a set lead and double faults twice to hand Clijsters the set and then crumbles mentally to hand Clijsters the match on a silver platter. Clijsters defeats mental midget Vera in the final

YEC; Clijsters chokes away a set and a break, allows Pushniacki to level, eventually wins in a mediocre quality match.

V's a star
Jan 12th, 2011, 08:13 AM
is the match going to be on the eurosport feed soon?

AcesHigh
Jan 12th, 2011, 08:19 AM
No, it's because when Kim does it, her opponents choke, no matter how bad Kim is playing, let's look at Clijsters results for 2010;

Brisbane International; Clijsters leads Henin 6-3 4-0, chokes away 6 straight games, Henin has two match points, chokes them, Clijsters wins.

Miami; Clijsters defeats a cripple/Venus in the final. Basically only has to keep the ball in the court.

Cincinnati; Clijsters being whooped by Sharapova, Rain Delay Saves Clijsters, Maria chokes 3 Championship points, Clijsters wins in Three

US Open; Stosur chokes hard, fails to hold serve practically all match, Kim survives barely, Out of form Venus chokes a set lead and double faults twice to hand Clijsters the set and then crumbles mentally to hand Clijsters the match on a silver platter. Clijsters defeats mental midget Vera in the final

YEC; Clijsters chokes away a set and a break, allows Pushniacki to level, eventually wins in a mediocre quality match.

:rolls: You can make excuses like that for every player.
Seems you have some kind of axe to grind.

mariavikafan
Jan 12th, 2011, 09:12 AM
Azarenka's serve sucks:sad:

benbest
Jan 12th, 2011, 09:28 AM
Vika is too weak, she needs to do some euro-training with Terry Crews

http://yinnyang.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/TerryCrews_Euro_Training.jpg

The Witch-king
Jan 12th, 2011, 09:33 AM
No, it's because when Kim does it, her opponents choke, no matter how bad Kim is playing, let's look at Clijsters results for 2010;

Brisbane International; Clijsters leads Henin 6-3 4-0, chokes away 6 straight games, Henin has two match points, chokes them, Clijsters wins.

Miami; Clijsters defeats a cripple/Venus in the final. Basically only has to keep the ball in the court.

Cincinnati; Clijsters being whooped by Sharapova, Rain Delay Saves Clijsters, Maria chokes 3 Championship points, Clijsters wins in Three

US Open; Stosur chokes hard, fails to hold serve practically all match, Kim survives barely, Out of form Venus chokes a set lead and double faults twice to hand Clijsters the set and then crumbles mentally to hand Clijsters the match on a silver platter. Clijsters defeats mental midget Vera in the final

YEC; Clijsters chokes away a set and a break, allows Pushniacki to level, eventually wins in a mediocre quality match.

:rolls: You can make excuses like that for every player.
Seems you have some kind of axe to grind.

It's true, you must be blind if you cant see it! But good on her for taking advantage. :shrug:

mariavikafan
Jan 12th, 2011, 09:58 AM
It's true, you must be blind if you cant see it! But good on her for taking advantage. :shrug:

AcesHigh only see what he wants to see. That's what haters do.:shrug:

Betten
Jan 12th, 2011, 10:53 AM
AcesHigh only see what he wants to see. That's what haters do.:shrug:

What's with the AcesHigh hate? :confused:

Actually I think he or she has a point. If a 'hater' would view Serena's AO comeback wins through the same lens you view Clijsters through, then you'd get something like this:

2003 - in the first round Loit wins the first set, is a break up in the final set, but chokes those opportunities away. In the semis, Clijsters wastes a 5-1 lead and two match points in the final set to gift Serena the final against Venus, a player whom Serena hasn't lost a set to since 2001.

2005 - Sharapova wastes three match points against Serena in the semis. Davenport steamrolls through the first set in the final, but inexplicably loses form and basically gifts Serena the win.

2007 - Recovers from a 1-6 loss in the first set to beat Petrova in the third round. Peer has a chance to serve Serena out of the tournament in the quarters but her lack of experience shows while Serena shows she has plenty.

2009 - Azarenka wins the first set against Williams and the match looks competitive enough, but she's forced to retire in the second. Serena escapes again in the next when Kuznetsova wins the first set before the roof is closed. With the latters rhythm upset and Serena being given time to regain hers, she takes it in three. Faces mental midget Safina in the finals.

It all depends on your POV.

KBlade
Jan 12th, 2011, 11:36 AM
What's with the AcesHigh hate? :confused:

Actually I think he or she has a point. If a 'hater' would view Serena's AO comeback wins through the same lens you view Clijsters through, then you'd get something like this:

2003 - in the first round Loit wins the first set, is a break up in the final set, but chokes those opportunities away. In the semis, Clijsters wastes a 5-1 lead and two match points in the final set to gift Serena the final against Venus, a player whom Serena hasn't lost a set to since 2001.

2005 - Sharapova wastes three match points against Serena in the semis. Davenport steamrolls through the first set in the final, but inexplicably loses form and basically gifts Serena the win.

2007 - Recovers from a 1-6 loss in the first set to beat Petrova in the third round. Peer has a chance to serve Serena out of the tournament in the quarters but her lack of experience shows while Serena shows she has plenty.

2009 - Azarenka wins the first set against Williams and the match looks competitive enough, but she's forced to retire in the second. Serena escapes again in the next when Kuznetsova wins the first set before the roof is closed. With the latters rhythm upset and Serena being given time to regain hers, she takes it in three. Faces mental midget Safina in the finals.

It all depends on your POV.

The difference is, usually in these matches, Serena's opponents play out of their minds and instead of choking, Serena simply takes her game to a whole another level that cannot be matched and outright wins the match.

2003; Clijster's played at an incredibly high level. Choked slightly, but many opponents would've accepted defeat, and Serena raised her game a notch because she simply had no pressure at 5-1 down

2005; Sharapova once again in top notch form, incredibly high quality match, but if you watch the two match points, Serena won them outright. She didn't even give Sharapova a chance to choke.

2007; Once again, Serena takes her game up to a gear that Petrova cannot match, simply because she is down and out and has no pressure. Serena played an inconsistent match against Peer, but remember, Peer wasn't totally inexperienced, she was brimming with confidence and had taken out Top 5 seed Kuznetsova in the previous round. The defeat of an out of form, unseeded Serena Williams was still well within her grasp. She was a mere two points away from the match, However, Serena refused to lose.
Most of the time in Clijster's case, her comebacks aren't her winning, it's her opponent losing and Clijsters simply keeping the ball in play.

And you'll find against Kuznetsova, the roof was closed between the first and second sets.Even After the roof was closed, Kuznetsova still led 7-5 5-3, before Serena's game clicked, and she started serving lights out. So it wasn't as a result of the roof being closed that Serena was able to regain her rhythm, because she had already been playing under the roof for eight games before her game started working.

Raiden
Jan 12th, 2011, 11:48 AM
What's with the AcesHigh hate? :confused:

Actually I think he or she has a point. If a 'hater' would view Serena's AO comeback wins through the same lens you view Clijsters through, then you'd get something like this:

2003 - in the first round Loit wins the first set, is a break up in the final set, but chokes those opportunities away. In the semis, Clijsters wastes a 5-1 lead and two match points in the final set to gift Serena the final against Venus, a player whom Serena hasn't lost a set to since 2001.

2005 - Sharapova wastes three match points against Serena in the semis. Davenport steamrolls through the first set in the final, but inexplicably loses form and basically gifts Serena the win.

2007 - Recovers from a 1-6 loss in the first set to beat Petrova in the third round. Peer has a chance to serve Serena out of the tournament in the quarters but her lack of experience shows while Serena shows she has plenty.

2009 - Azarenka wins the first set against Williams and the match looks competitive enough, but she's forced to retire in the second. Serena escapes again in the next when Kuznetsova wins the first set before the roof is closed. With the latters rhythm upset and Serena being given time to regain hers, she takes it in three. Faces mental midget Safina in the finals.

It all depends on your POV.Excellent rebuttal.

KBlade is of curse being ludicrous. The fact that Clijsters is winning in multiple ways (by breezing through as well as by what you called choking but what actually is just momentarily playing with less intensity) is only an indication that she has an edge.
Some-one needs to stop Clijsters on her title rampages. She has continued to make the tour look like a joke ever since she returned. I'm so over how easily she wins titles, it's like she doesn't even have to try because it's just one poor quality opponent after the other, and even if Clijster's still plays shit, she somehow manages to win because her opponents most of the time are chokers. Some of these girls on tour actually need to get out there and prove that they can play tennis, hold it together mentally, and knock Clijsters off. Fark, everyone does it against Venus. Rant over Amazing how (of all people) Venus and Serena fanatics are now indulging in wishful thinking that the tour should become lightweight and crappy (as if it isn't already), so that dearly beloved Venus can finally be able to win something big. They have come down to being more convinced than anyone that she's washed up already.

Oh ye of little faith? I guess "Veelieve" applies to anyone but Venustards themselves :lol:

KBlade
Jan 12th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Excellent rebuttal.

KBlade is of curse being ludicrous. The fact that Clijsters is winning in multiple ways (by breezing through as well as by what you called choking but what actually is just momentarily playing with less intensity) is only an indication that she has an edge.
Amazing how (of all people) Venus fanatics are now indulging in wishful thinking that the tour should become lightweight and crappy (as if it isn't already), so that dearly beloved Venus can finally be able to win something big. They have come down to being more convinced than her that she's washed up already.

Oh ye of little faith? I guess "Veelieve" applies to anyone but Venustards themselves :lol:

No. I'm not a Venustard. If she doesn't pick up her mental act, then she's not winning anything. It might be entertaining for Clijsters fans to watch Kim continue to sweep away poor quality competition and chokers every week, but I think the rest of us would like to see some young and up and coming players playing some quality matches and actually challenging the top players, rather than Clijsters, a part time tour player dominating inferior ball bashing opponents that lack variation and taking every second title despite her iffy serve. But maybe that's just me?

Raiden
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:01 PM
No. I'm not a Venustard. If she doesn't pick up her mental act, then she's not winning anything. It might be entertaining for Clijsters fans to watch Kim continue to sweep away poor quality competition and chokers every week, but I think the rest of us would like to see some young and up and coming players playing some quality matches and actually challenging the top players, rather than Clijsters, a part time tour player dominating inferior ball bashing opponents that lack variation and taking every second title despite her iffy serve. But maybe that's just me?It's indeed just you (and obviously your fellow tards who've recently began to resent Kim only because she's no longer a pushover (mommy Kim being a champion that's yet undefeated by ALL three of her long standing/perennial rivals that are still on the tour)

Anyway I'm curious which players exactly are you referring to that are supposedly/allegedly full-time top players rather than "part time Clijsters"?

Anyway, I say the youngsters would actually learn more by watching Kim play and (if they're lucky) having the opportunity to face her than by facing the rest of mostly (if not overwhelmingly) dumb ballbashers who can only teach youngsters how to squeal and snivel and fistpump. That's why already, many of the youngsters like Sally Peers and Sloan Stevens are looking up to Kim. They know and recognize tennis when they see one.

justineheninfan
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:12 PM
The only one of the last decade who undisputably dominated tough competition was Serena in 2002-2003 and perhaps Henin/Mauresmo jointly in 2006 (but neither individually dominated). The rest you could all make the same arguments you make for Clijsters now, and Clijsters isnt even really dominating yet:

Hingis 1997-early 1998: Graf, Seles, and Sanchez all either injured (Graf), out of shape (Seles), or burnt out (Sanchez). Davenport and Venus not established slam winning threats yet.

2000-2001 Venus: Hingis and Davenport on the way down, Graf and Novotna retired, Seles in her twilight years, up and comers not very good yet.

2003-early 2004 Henin: Williams both going down with injuries, Clijsers a choker, Davenport and Capriati past their primes

2007 Henin: Williams back in good form but not great yet, Sharapova AWOL most of the year, Mauresmo done as a big threat, Clijsters retired, Davenport retired.

2008-2009 Serena: Henin retired, Venus past her prime, Clijsters retired, everyone else gone.

I am not saying all this is true and of course on purpose it is a bit of a negative exaggeration perhaps, I am just saying you could easily make the same arguments you are making for Clijsters now.

Lapaco
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:15 PM
The only one of the last decade who undisputably dominated tough competition was Serena in 2002-2003 and perhaps Henin/Mauresmo jointly in 2006 (but neither individually dominated). The rest you could all make the same arguments you make for Clijsters now, and Clijsters isnt even really dominating yet:

Hingis 1997-early 1998: Graf, Seles, and Sanchez all either injured (Graf), out of shape (Seles), or burnt out (Sanchez). Davenport and Venus not established slam winning threats yet.

2000-2001 Venus: Hingis and Davenport on the way down, Graf and Novotna retired, Seles in her twilight years, up and comers not very good yet.

2003-early 2004 Henin: Williams both going down with injuries, Clijsers a choker, Davenport and Capriati past their primes

2007 Henin: Williams back in good form but not great yet, Sharapova AWOL most of the year, Mauresmo done as a big threat, Clijsters retired, Davenport retired.

2008-2009 Serena: Henin retired, Venus past her prime, Clijsters retired, everyone else gone.

I am not saying all this is true and of course on purpose it is a bit of a negative exaggeration perhaps, I am just saying you could easily make the same arguments you are making for Clijsters now.

Your credibility ends there.

justineheninfan
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:18 PM
The difference is, usually in these matches, Serena's opponents play out of their minds and instead of choking, Serena simply takes her game to a whole another level that cannot be matched and outright wins the match.

2003; Clijster's played at an incredibly high level. Choked slightly, but many opponents would've accepted defeat, and Serena raised her game a notch because she simply had no pressure at 5-1 down

2005; Sharapova once again in top notch form, incredibly high quality match, but if you watch the two match points, Serena won them outright. She didn't even give Sharapova a chance to choke.

2007; Once again, Serena takes her game up to a gear that Petrova cannot match, simply because she is down and out and has no pressure. Serena played an inconsistent match against Peer, but remember, Peer wasn't totally inexperienced, she was brimming with confidence and had taken out Top 5 seed Kuznetsova in the previous round. The defeat of an out of form, unseeded Serena Williams was still well within her grasp. She was a mere two points away from the match, However, Serena refused to lose.
Most of the time in Clijster's case, her comebacks aren't her winning, it's her opponent losing and Clijsters simply keeping the ball in play.

And you'll find against Kuznetsova, the roof was closed between the first and second sets.Even After the roof was closed, Kuznetsova still led 7-5 5-3, before Serena's game clicked, and she started serving lights out. So it wasn't as a result of the roof being closed that Serena was able to regain her rhythm, because she had already been playing under the roof for eight games before her game started working.

I dont entirely agree on all of those. Serena raised her game in most or all cases. However Clijsters in 2003 and Kuznetsova in 2009 choked very badly to help Serena come back and win. Their levels dropped a huge notch down. And Petrova choked somewhat too, but not as badly as Kim and Svetlana did. Sharapova played a very poor service game serving for the match in the 2nd set, I agree in the 3rd set there wasnt much choke. I agree in the matches with Azarenka, Loit, Peer, it was all Serena raising her game though. I would also say Henin completely fell apart in the 3rd set of this years final both technically and mentally (and tactically).

So in about half of her Australian Open comebacks I would say Sernea was helped by a choking opponent but I dont think that takes anything away from her wins or amazing record there at all.

justineheninfan
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:20 PM
Your credibility ends there.

How so. Serena in 2002-2003 dominated when Venus was still at or near her best, Capriati was still at or near her best, Clijsters and Henin were coming into their primes, Mauresmo was coming into her own and a big threat. I would overlook Davenport who was mostly injured and nowhere near her best those couple years. Still that is a very tough field.

mariavikafan
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:39 PM
I would also say Henin completely fell apart in the 3rd set of this years final both technically and mentally (and tactically).

Henin lead 2/1 and had 2 break points in the final set but Serena served big on those breaks points Serena didn't let her the chance to break here. But I agree Henin collapsed after this game, probably wasn't feeling ready to win a major.

The Witch-king
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:40 PM
It's indeed just you (and obviously your fellow tards who've recently began to resent Kim only because she's no longer a pushover (mommy Kim being a champion that's yet undefeated by ALL three of her long standing/perennial rivals that are still on the tour)


:lol: You're not doing yourself any favours calling people you disagree with "tards" just because you disagree with them. :help::help::help:

Anyway, as a "Venustard" my self, I'm perfectly willing to admit when Venus does not play at a particularly high level and is lucky to get away with it. Last years Us Open quarterfinals against Schiavone and the Wimbledon fourth round against Groth - Venus benefitted from her opponents sucking and/or choking at important points. Pretty sure Serena has done it before as well (Australian Open 2009 springs to mind). I'm never particularly happy when they do that, but they're wins and I'll take them. :lol: But I'm never going to be in such a state of denial that I can't see the truth of what's going on with this messy tour of ours.

Roookie
Jan 12th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Difference between elite and trash = Kim Clijsters. Tank your semis and get ready for Melbourne Kim!.

justineheninfan
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:09 PM
Henin lead 2/1 and had 2 break points in the final set but Serena served big on those breaks points Serena didn't let her the chance to break here. But I agree Henin collapsed after this game, probably wasn't feeling ready to win a major.

I agree. Henin probably also got a bit deflated after Serena served her way out of that jam too.

Inger67
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:18 PM
Wow, that on court interview after was :yawn:

Raiden
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:20 PM
:lol: You're not doing yourself any favours calling people you disagree with "tards" just because you disagree with them. :help::help::help:

Anyway, as a "Venustard" my self, I'm perfectly willing to admit when Venus does not play at a particularly high level and is lucky to get away with it. Last years Us Open quarterfinals against Schiavone and the Wimbledon fourth round against Groth - Venus benefitted from her opponents sucking and/or choking at important points. Pretty sure Serena has done it before as well (Australian Open 2009 springs to mind). I'm never particularly happy when they do that, but they're wins and I'll take them. :lol: But I'm never going to be in such a state of denial that I can't see the truth of what's going on with this messy tour of ours.I'm perfectly willing to admit too that Kim's victories were not all easy. One example: the epic win against Ju in Miami was very very close. It could have gone either way during most of the match. Kimmie could have lost that one if Ju wasn't so sloppy as she was in the last two sets.

Ferg
Jan 12th, 2011, 05:39 PM
Its over yall. Lets move on.

Alejandrawrrr
Jan 12th, 2011, 09:01 PM
Hm, I think Vika will win.