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redsonja
Jan 7th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Apparently no one told Dinara when she's playing (http://www.thesportscampus.com/201101019552/tennis-news/dinara-safina-to-light-up-opening-night-of-moorilla-hobart-international)...

http://i54.tinypic.com/14vtyxu.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/e25xh.jpg

Oh... honey. :lol:

PersephoneDisco
Jan 7th, 2011, 06:53 PM
LOLZ. Well, maybe they did tell her but cos she's so 'old' she forgot :lol:

redsonja
Jan 8th, 2011, 07:37 AM
Ahahahahhaha! Marion 1r.

Seriously, the next Ana Ivanovic fan I have to listen to whining about how horrible Ana's luck is is gonna get a fist to the face.

DS.Fan.
Jan 8th, 2011, 08:35 AM
(1)Marion Bartoli (FRA) v Dinara Safina (RUS):lol: auckland her first oponent is Wicky.Hobart VS Marion:o:o in my memory,she never beat Marion!anyway,good luck- -

C. Drone
Jan 8th, 2011, 08:58 AM
Ahahahahhaha! Marion 1r.

Seriously, the next Ana Ivanovic fan I have to listen to whining about how horrible Ana's luck is is gonna get a fist to the face.

seriously, don't tell me they can't even rig a draw... :o
(of course someone like karolina got her 2 bitches in the opening round, Kiri-Domi.)

Caralenko
Jan 8th, 2011, 09:41 AM
(1)Marion Bartoli (FRA) v Dinara Safina (RUS):lol: auckland her first oponent is Wicky.Hobart VS Marion:o:o in my memory,she never beat Marion!anyway,good luck- -

2007 T1 Indian Wells R3 Bartoli 6-4 6-3
2007 T1 Toronto R3 Bartoli 6-2 6-7(2) 6-0

redsonja
Jan 8th, 2011, 09:54 AM
On the one hand, 2007 was probably the best year of Marion's career.
On the other hand, in 2007 Dinara was better than she is now. (Sad but true :shrug: )

C. Drone
Jan 8th, 2011, 10:16 AM
i just hate that loopy hopeless pushing so much, like someone sticking needles in my heart every time.
and can't believe she can't get over it!!!!
go for it, step into the court, kill that fuckin ball!!!

redsonja
Jan 8th, 2011, 10:21 AM
i just hate that loopy hopeless pushing so much, like someone sticking needles in my heart every time.
and can't believe she can't get over it!!!!

This, this, exactly. It's almost impossible to watch. The way she played the tiebreak against Yanina was so good, why can't you just play like that all the time?? :sobbing:

DS.Fan.
Jan 8th, 2011, 11:41 AM
2007 T1 Indian Wells R3 Bartoli 6-4 6-3
2007 T1 Toronto R3 Bartoli 6-2 6-7(2) 6-0
yes,I remember she got a bagel from Marion:rolleyes:
her shape is so unstable during the match.sometimes she played good but she couldnt keep it.

vanúss
Jan 8th, 2011, 01:35 PM
On the one hand, 2007 was probably the best year of Marion's career.
On the other hand, in 2007 Dinara was better than she is now. (Sad but true :shrug: )

:lol: that's what i was about to say, when i saw those two matches were from 2007 i was like "it doesn't count now !" but it does, and it's not good :help:

She's extremely lucky, her season will be fun if she keeps getting top players in the first rounds.

i just hate that loopy hopeless pushing so much, like someone sticking needles in my heart every time.
and can't believe she can't get over it!!!!
go for it, step into the court, kill that fuckin

Word. It's too bad i fell asleep during the TB if she played better at that moment :o

osseous
Jan 9th, 2011, 12:03 AM
:lol: @ the thread title and at the first post. Davai and God bless! :cheer: :cheer:

JJ's biatch
Jan 9th, 2011, 12:08 AM
Good luck girl!

Ralph214
Jan 9th, 2011, 12:47 AM
:cheer: WIN win WIN! :cheer:

Ashi
Jan 9th, 2011, 07:01 AM
She just can't catch a break! :sobbing:

Dinayer
Jan 9th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Lets do this, Dinara :cheer:

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:08 AM
I really wish I could watch, but we all got a massive email a few weeks ago about not streaming video at work.

This match is only going to last like 15 mins, so I don't see whereas it would be a big problem, but I'd rather not get in trouble. :p

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:32 AM
She's not even playing that bad. Just can't finish a rally to save her life and moving like a cow.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:35 AM
Bagelled. :lol: Bye Hobart.

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:41 AM
It would be impossible to be surprised by her getting double bageled here. Her game is an absolute disaster these days.

I can't even be upset about it. You make your choices and you live with them, Dinara.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:47 AM
Marion took a medical timeout at 6-0 1-0. :lol:

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:51 AM
Obviously I don't know if it's a serious problem or not, but it would be kind of funny for Dinara to get the win by retirement having won 10 points in the whole match. :lol: :o

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 08:54 AM
Oh it was blisters. :o

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:01 AM
Got a game and fistpumping every point. :lol: The crowd like it.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:25 AM
Some of these rallies are ridiculous. She's not playing bad at all, Marion is doing nothing wrong.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:30 AM
0-6 1-4 deuce. :lol: Really long game and now it's a rain delay.

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Rain delay? :o Jeeeeeeeeeeeeezus.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:33 AM
They're back out. Hopefully Marion loses some momentum.

C. Drone
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:34 AM
funny she has least problem with her serve. i mean still weak, not a real weapon, but other things much worse. :lol:

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:41 AM
6-0, 6-1. I guess the real surprise is that the second set took longer than half an hour.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:48 AM
She wasn't that bad really. A few wild errors but that's part of her game anyway. She played better towards the end but I've never seen Marion hit like that. Perhaps even cleaner than her AO 09 match against JJ.

C. Drone
Jan 10th, 2011, 10:01 AM
problem, there was couple nice point when she hit kinda well, but she had no finishing shot. Absolutely nothing. Zero. Nada. couple times Bartoli was in tight situation, but Dinara just pushed back a semi-decent ball, and the french could came back.

weak/slow footwork, weak shots, weak return, no killer shot. serve was kinda acceptable, but still weak, easy to return/kill.

DS.Fan.
Jan 10th, 2011, 01:17 PM
if she could play like her second set with Vera in China Open,I would feel a bit happy..i
watched the match today,nothing could help her win the match.I really wanna know the main reason,the real problem inside!!!why everything is weak now??she has practised hard for two months.Sweetie,U really need think if u r walking on the right road.I hope u r right and just need more time.

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 01:27 PM
I still think this coaching team does absolutely nothing for her. Either they have the wrong game plan in mind for her, or she's not listening to them at all. Either way, something's terribly wrong. I mean, even last year when she came back she was keeping matches fairly close. And to me her game looks much, much worse than it did last summer, except maybe consistency in serving.

Read that she refused to speak to media afterwards; I hope that means she's angry enough to think about making some changes (even small ones), but I've almost given up hope. Hard to stay optimistic when she's made nothing but shitty decisions for almost a year and a half.

Caralenko
Jan 10th, 2011, 01:39 PM
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vanúss
Jan 10th, 2011, 01:42 PM
I still think this coaching team does absolutely nothing for her. Either they have the wrong game plan in mind for her, or she's not listening to them at all. Either way, something's terribly wrong. I mean, even last year when she came back she was keeping matches fairly close. And to me her game looks much, much worse than it did last summer, except maybe consistency in serving.

Read that she refused to speak to media afterwards; I hope that means she's angry enough to think about making some changes (even small ones), but I've almost given up hope. Hard to stay optimistic when she's made nothing but shitty decisions for almost a year and a half.

I agree with it all :shrug:

I'm not really surprised that she refused to talk to the press, when you look back since RG she gave a handful of interviews only. She usually talks when she wins now, the rest of the time i guess she's either too pissed or they just don't bother, just like it was the case at the USO if i remember correctly, i'm not certain :scratch:

We'll see how it goes at the AO, how horrible her draw will be and what will happen next. I'm curious to see if there will be any change in her team if things don't get better there, but i honestly think that it'll remain the same no matter what :rolleyes:

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 01:52 PM
We'll see how it goes at the AO, how horrible her draw will be and what will happen next. I'm curious to see if there will be any change in her team if things don't get better there, but i honestly think that it'll remain the same no matter what :rolleyes:

Me too. Oh well. :shrug:

Although, honestly, the highlights aren't that bad, she just doesn't finish anything anymore. 90% of the time she was playing/moving like she was out for a practice hit. :help:

HowardH
Jan 10th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Yeah, I agree with everyone who says it wasn't that bad, but she couldn't hit finishing shots, which resulted in every game becoming a slow but inevitable demise. From what I saw Marion played really good tennis, credit to her. Dinara just needs to learn how to finish points again. Easier said than done, but that wasn't awful or anything, scoreline didn't do her justice.

vanúss
Jan 10th, 2011, 02:19 PM
There was a few really good shots indeed. But yeah, two months weren't enough, not that i'm surprised she needs much more time off :shrug:

DS.Fan.
Jan 10th, 2011, 03:22 PM
she needs a good coach to lead her and help her...I cant see what the coaching team help her at the moment(I believe they work hard and tried to help her,but sorry,i cant see the effect)...just a few good shots are not enough!everything is weak,it's so terrible.why i even feel her power is much less than before??or she just controled her power on purpose?

C. Drone
Jan 10th, 2011, 06:10 PM
I still think this coaching team does absolutely nothing for her. Either they have the wrong game plan in mind for her, or she's not listening to them at all. Either way, something's terribly wrong. I mean, even last year when she came back she was keeping matches fairly close. And to me her game looks much, much worse than it did last summer, except maybe consistency in serving.

Read that she refused to speak to media afterwards; I hope that means she's angry enough to think about making some changes (even small ones), but I've almost given up hope. Hard to stay optimistic when she's made nothing but shitty decisions for almost a year and a half.

about the "game plan", there was not too many today. Sometimes she was hitting short, really wide cc shots from both sides. problem, this wasn't killer either, and didn't come to the net to finish or something.
don't know if she switched raquet or string, but all her shots looking weaker, slower than it was.

my theory is that she really has fear the injury comes back. And she thinks "krajan's gameplan" inflicted the injury. And even if Gaston says she should keep doing this again, she sees him as the devil's advocate. So she is trying to do things on her own, thats why she barely calls him on court, or talks him at trainings.
(maybe its a bit too colorful theory, but you get my point :p)

I think she is bit stubborn, or defiant. (something like that helps to fight, to come back when there is no return). And i had the impression that she is the type who can't change easily, can't think "out of the box" sometimes. Plus add the fear of injuries and you get a big mess.

But blaming only coaches would be wrong. Anybody who saw her at least once knows that pushing and such doesn't works for her. I mean i can't believe that somebody would giving her such bad advices, just can't.

C. Drone
Jan 10th, 2011, 06:16 PM
Yeah, I agree with everyone who says it wasn't that bad, but she couldn't hit finishing shots, which resulted in every game becoming a slow but inevitable demise. From what I saw Marion played really good tennis, credit to her. Dinara just needs to learn how to finish points again. Easier said than done, but that wasn't awful or anything, scoreline didn't do her justice.

Cake was playing good coz Dinara's game didn't put any pressure on her. I mean its "Tennis strategies for Dummies"... "control the game". but Dinara right now barely has anything to control something. So whatever her opponent does, thats happens.

(man, i'm writing so much :help:)

redsonja
Jan 10th, 2011, 06:48 PM
about the "game plan", there was not too many today. Sometimes she was hitting short, really wide cc shots from both sides. problem, this wasn't killer either, and didn't come to the net to finish or something.
don't know if she switched raquet or string, but all her shots looking weaker, slower than it was.
I think she's probably just weaker. That doesn't bother me so much; she hasn't been able to play consistently for a year and a half. Of course she's weaker.

But blaming only coaches would be wrong. Anybody who saw her at least once knows that pushing and such doesn't works for her. I mean i can't believe that somebody would giving her such bad advices, just can't.
I don't think I'm trying to blame the coaches, but I can see how it might come off like that. What I was trying to say was, I don't think they click as a team. And if she truly blames her last coach for "inflicting" this injury on her, then I can see how she might be skittish with anyone (whether or not she should be looking a little closer to home for that blame is another issue entirely). But them not working well together doesn't make them bad coaches. It just makes them the wrong team for her. And I do totally believe that. Someone she really clicked with would be able to build her recovery more methodically; she wouldn't be out there looking like she's guessing at everything. I mean, that happens to everyone from time to time. And Marion played really, really well today. But I haven't seen anything in the last 7-8 months that says to me, "I see what they're going for."

(And I can definitely believe that coaches would give her terrible advice. Poor coaching happens all the time. Not saying it's happening here, necessarily, but if it were, I wouldn't have any trouble believing it.)

bruce goose
Jan 10th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Ugh!:oRough scoreline,Dinara....I've seen some MUCH bigger longshots come back...so there's reason to keep hope alive...we're still with you:hug:

C. Drone
Jan 11th, 2011, 07:55 AM
I don't think I'm trying to blame the coaches, but I can see how it might come off like that. What I was trying to say was, I don't think they click as a team. And if she truly blames her last coach for "inflicting" this injury on her, then I can see how she might be skittish with anyone (whether or not she should be looking a little closer to home for that blame is another issue entirely). But them not working well together doesn't make them bad coaches. It just makes them the wrong team for her. And I do totally believe that. Someone she really clicked with would be able to build her recovery more methodically; she wouldn't be out there looking like she's guessing at everything. I mean, that happens to everyone from time to time. And Marion played really, really well today. But I haven't seen anything in the last 7-8 months that says to me, "I see what they're going for."

(And I can definitely believe that coaches would give her terrible advice. Poor coaching happens all the time. Not saying it's happening here, necessarily, but if it were, I wouldn't have any trouble believing it.)

I mean, i can agree with you. I was talking in general, kinda.
And if two breadstick and a bagel in two matchs doesn't show them that some things are not working, i don't know anything else to hope.

My brain just can't understand such "stupidism" even if its not intentional. Last time she didn't pushed i think it was against Szavay in Stuttgart. I don't know how many match she/they need till something similar we'll see.



(watched Caro-Domi highlights. at least good to see, that not Dinara is the only hopeless pusher out there. kinda.)

vanúss
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:11 AM
A lot has changed since her match against Szavay...
But yeah, it's not just her Team's fault or Dinara's fault, it has to come from both sides :shrug:

Lol how comforting to know that Wozniacki the "Pusher Queen" is as hopeless as Dinara :p

C. Drone
Jan 11th, 2011, 08:19 AM
although seeing how the coach of the current world #1 and #2 player is an ex-futball player and an ex-fashion model, i could say this job is overrated. :lol:

redsonja
Jan 11th, 2011, 09:10 AM
although seeing how the coach of the current world #1 and #2 player is an ex-futball player and an ex-fashion model, i could say this job is overrated. :lol:

True. Maybe I'll give it a shot. :yeah:

bad_angel_109
Jan 11th, 2011, 09:11 AM
omg, the quote in the title :sobbing: and i dunno whats worse, that fact that she said that OR the final score against bartoli. i hope she doesnt give up and believes she can get back in the top 20 (for now, later the top 10 and top 5, etc..). oh and one more thing...





GET BACK WITH ZELJKO!!!

(on a strictly professional coach-player relationship that is)

redsonja
Jan 11th, 2011, 09:12 AM
GET BACK WITH ZELJKO!!!

(on a strictly professional coach-player relationship that is)

Well, that would take some doing. I don't think Domi's going to fire him anytime soon. :lol:

bad_angel_109
Jan 11th, 2011, 09:24 AM
^ :lol: oh yeah. especially not now since she beat the world no. 1. dammit, why'd they have to part in the first place? they were doing really well (in '08 anyway), stellar year