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tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 06:50 AM
Who is the most inconsistent top 10er?

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 06:53 AM
This poll is custom built for Jelena.

tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Jarrett
This poll is custom built for Jelena.

Really? I put my vote in for Capriati. Since Roland Garros, she's just been all over the place.

Gowza
Oct 18th, 2002, 06:59 AM
it's difficult to say in a fair way. jelena has obviously burntout at the end of this season. while kim struggled with form for at least the first half of the season due to injury and henin has been having some bad results as well as having a broken finger.

i'd say henin.

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:00 AM
Jennifer has only lose twice before the quarterfinal of an event. All her other results are great. Jelena OTOH results are less impressive and speratic(sp?). She can really well sometimes and other times it just doesn't come together. She has 13 1st/2nd/3rd losses.

2002-07-29 San Diego 267 F II
2002-05-27 Roland Garros 238 QF Grand Slam
2002-02-04 Paris 230 F II
2002-08-12 Montreal 192 SF I
2002-06-10 Birmingham 186 WON III
2001-10-22 Linz 174 F II
2002-04-01 Sarasota 157 WON IV
2002-04-29 Hamburg 156 SF II
2002-04-08 Amelia Island 135 SF II
2002-05-20 Strasbourg 134 F III
2002-06-24 Wimbledon 132 4TH Grand Slam
2001-10-29 Munich 132 QF WTA Championships
2002-09-09 Bahia 118 SF II
2002-08-05 Los Angeles 118 SF II
2002-09-16 Tokyo 104 SF II
2002-07-22 Stanford 65 QF II
2002-05-13 Rome 61 3RD I
2002-10-14 Zurich 53 2ND I
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 40 2ND Grand Slam
2002-05-06 Berlin 40 3RD I
2002-03-18 Miami 38 3RD I
2002-03-04 Indian Wells 36 3RD I
2002-10-07 Filderstadt 1 2ND II
2002-09-30 Moscow 1 2ND I
2002-09-23 Leipzig 1 2ND II
2002-06-17 Eastbourne 1 2ND II
2002-04-15 Charleston 1 2ND I
2002-02-11 Antwerp 1 2ND II
2002-01-28 Tokyo 1 2ND I

Gowza
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:02 AM
but she plays more often so there is more risk of losing earlier in some tournies due to fatigue or loss of form for playing too much.

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:03 AM
And who is making her play that much? She is not consistant.

tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:03 AM
Jen has had QF's since Roland Garros, except the last two weeks [which, by the way are her only non-QF showings along with Sydney] but she just lost some odd matches.

Dokic def. 26 62 64; in a weird match, where no one really held serve.

Sugiyama def. 63 63; what happened exactly?

Mauresmo def. 64 61; great first; but where's the Jen fight that we saw in 2001?

Mauresmo def. 46 76 63; a battle. The only battle Jen had this summer where she won

Gowza
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:04 AM
well then, Jarrett, we can't compare the two players in a fair way then so how can you say justine is more consistent?

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:05 AM
Consistant to me is getting far in every tournament a player plays.

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:06 AM
Justine only have 6 1st/2nd/3rd round losses. Yes she played less, but I still think she is more consistant then Jelena.

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:08 AM
Actually Daniela, should have her own voting option, she is not on par with Lindsay, the Williams, Monica or Ameile.

tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:08 AM
To me Henin's a clay/grass court player. She will get far in those events; but hardcourt/indoors she will be inconsistent.

IMO, Jelena: regardless of the surface, you never know who will show up. Example: US Open against Bovina. Bovina played well; but where was Dokic? She didn't put up much of a fight.

Glenn
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:08 AM
LOL@people who say someone else than Dokic!
Oh yea, anyone can lose to Rubin 6-0 6-2, Bovina, Myskina, Shaughnessy, Coetzer, Panova and Stevenson in just 8 weeks, and lose like a million times to Anne Kremer before that, right?

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:13 AM
Good Results for Justine on hardcourts:
2002-01-14 Australian Open 260 QF Grand Slam
2002-02-11 Antwerp 172 F II
2002-09-23 Leipzig 127 SF II
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 122 4TH Grand Slam
2001-10-29 Munich 120 QF WTA Championships
2001-12-31 Gold Coast 114 F III
2002-10-14 Zurich 104 QF I
2002-08-12 Montreal 89 QF I
2002-03-04 Indian Wells 63 4TH I
2002-02-04 Paris 59 QF II

Bad Results on Hardcourts:
2002-10-07 Filderstadt 1 2ND II
2002-08-19 New Haven 1 2ND II
2002-07-22 Stanford 1 1ST II
2002-03-18 Miami 1 2ND I
2001-10-22 Linz 1 2ND II

A little iffy but still okay.

Gowza
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:16 AM
she would have got a bye for a lot of those bad results

Glenn
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Jarrett
Good Results for Justine on hardcourts:
2002-01-14 Australian Open 260 QF Grand Slam
2002-02-11 Antwerp 172 F II
2002-09-23 Leipzig 127 SF II
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 122 4TH Grand Slam
2001-10-29 Munich 120 QF WTA Championships
2001-12-31 Gold Coast 114 F III
2002-10-14 Zurich 104 QF I
2002-08-12 Montreal 89 QF I
2002-03-04 Indian Wells 63 4TH I
2002-02-04 Paris 59 QF II

Bad Results on Hardcourts:
2002-10-07 Filderstadt 1 2ND II
2002-08-19 New Haven 1 2ND II
2002-07-22 Stanford 1 1ST II
2002-03-18 Miami 1 2ND I
2001-10-22 Linz 1 2ND II

A little iffy but still okay.

Yea, very OK considering Justine doesn't like hardcourts at all...
At least her grass and clay results are better than OK...
Where are Jelena's grass results? Grass is her fave surface right? :confused: :rolleyes:

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:17 AM
and Gowza? so did jelena.

tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by Jarrett
Good Results for Justine on hardcourts:
2002-01-14 Australian Open 260 QF Grand Slam
2002-02-11 Antwerp 172 F II
2002-09-23 Leipzig 127 SF II
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 122 4TH Grand Slam
2001-10-29 Munich 120 QF WTA Championships
2001-12-31 Gold Coast 114 F III
2002-10-14 Zurich 104 QF I
2002-08-12 Montreal 89 QF I
2002-03-04 Indian Wells 63 4TH I
2002-02-04 Paris 59 QF II

Bad Results on Hardcourts:
2002-10-07 Filderstadt 1 2ND II
2002-08-19 New Haven 1 2ND II
2002-07-22 Stanford 1 1ST II
2002-03-18 Miami 1 2ND I
2001-10-22 Linz 1 2ND II

A little iffy but still okay.

Aussie: QF--lived up to her seeding. Fell badly to Clijsters.
Antwerp: F--not her fault, but had an easy draw
Leipzig --isn't this Indoor Carpet?
US Open--has never been past the 4th RD!
Sanex Champs--lost where she was suppose to
Gold Coast--Tier 3, enough said
Montreal--again, lost where she was suppose to.
Indian Wells--HUGE upset. at the time, she should have beaten Dani
Paris--barely escaped Dechy

tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Glenn


Yea, very OK considering Justine doesn't like hardcourts at all...
At least her grass and clay results are better than OK...
Where are Jelena's grass results? Grass is her fave surface right? :confused: :rolleyes:

Birmingham, Great Britain
June 10, 2002
Surface: Grass
Round Opponent W/L Score
R64 Bye
R32 Lucie Ahl (GBR) W 7-6(4) 6-4
R16 Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) W 6-3 6-2
QF Eleni Daniilidou (GRE) W 6-4 4-6 6-4
SF Lisa Raymond (USA) W 6-1 7-5
F Anastasia Myskina (RUS) W 6-2 6-3
Win/Loss: 30/11

Eastbourne, Great Britain
June 17, 2002
Surface: Grass
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Daja Bedanova (CZE) L 4-6 6-1 2-6
Win/Loss: 30/12

The Championships at Wimbledon, Great Britain
June 24, 2002
Surface: Grass
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Elena Tatarkova (UKR) W 7-6(4) 6-4
R64 Kveta Hrdlickova (CZE) W 6-0 4-6 8-6
R32 Nathalie Dechy (FRA) W 7-5 6-2
R16 Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) L 4-6 5-7


Not bad, not great

Glenn
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:27 AM
Definitely not great...

Justine on clay otoh:

Final Amelia Island
2 great wins in the fed cup
Quarterfinal Hamburg
WON Berlin
Final Rome
1st round Roland Garros (illness)

tennisIlove09
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Glenn
Definitely not great...

Justine on clay otoh:

Final Amelia Island
2 great wins in the fed cup
Quarterfinal Hamburg
WON Berlin
Final Rome
1st round Roland Garros (illness)

And grass to:

Semis at Ordina Open--which she should have won, she had match points against Daniilidou, before falling 64 67 36

Semis of Wimbledon

baleineau
Oct 18th, 2002, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by Jarrett
Consistant to me is getting far in every tournament a player plays.

Consistent to me is reaching a similar stage in every tournament a player plays, be it 1st round, QF or Winner.

Jarrett
Oct 18th, 2002, 08:05 AM
I guess you could think of consistant in a bad or good way. I pick good.

per4ever
Oct 18th, 2002, 08:52 AM
either Jelena or Jennifer

2284
Oct 18th, 2002, 09:54 AM
I voted for Jelena, but after thinking about it, I don't think she is the most inconsistant player. She has been playing consistantly, but consistantly bad. When was the last time she made it past the 2nd round of a tournament? The girl is in serious need of some time off

Monica_Rules
Oct 18th, 2002, 09:58 AM
I voted for Dokic she plays too much and it hurts her!

SM
Oct 18th, 2002, 09:58 AM
who cares who was more consistent or less consistent?

with tennis the player's games just keep evolving , and i think Jelena is much more the risk taker whilst Justine tends to play more within herself....which is why Jelenas had great wins/bad losses and Justine on the surface seems to be more consistent

over the long haul Jelenas style will pay dividends. the future is about relentless aggression...with some more seasoning on the tour she will only get more consistent and better. also as pointed out jelena justifiably is TIRED at her own fault

schris
Oct 18th, 2002, 10:18 AM
Jelena Dokic

Gowza
Oct 18th, 2002, 10:22 AM
i change my mind. it's either capriati or dokic

martinafan
Oct 18th, 2002, 02:41 PM
well i voted for Kim.

When i think of inconsistency it's someone who can beat the top players or really challenge them one day and then lose to a nobody the next day. Kim, IMO, does that the best.

Jelena can't beat (or even challenge) some of the top-top players, like Lindsay-Venus-Serena, so her range of play is a lot smaller than Kim's IMO....that's why i voted for kim.

I've had a long night, so maybe that doesn't make sense to many people, but i know what i mean ;) lol

TatiAnnahølic
Oct 18th, 2002, 03:14 PM
Justine

PhoenixStorm
Oct 18th, 2002, 03:23 PM
my vote goes to dokic once kim and justine get more experience with the big names jelena will seeing the bottom half of the top ten for quite awhile. Oh unless she plays her ususal 40 tournaments:rolleyes:

Venus Forever
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:21 PM
Jelena Dokic