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gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2010, 10:03 PM
So.. Ana's schedule for the end of 2010:

Seoul
Tokyo
Beijing
Luxembourg

According to Matt Cronin, she might as well play Bali (if qualified or WC).

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2010, 10:08 PM
So.. Ana's schedule for the end of 2010:

Seoul
Tokyo
Beijing
Luxembourg

According to Matt Cronin, she might as well play Bali (if qualified or WC).I should PM someone else....sent you one,btw...and ask them to suggest it in order to keep you from stubbornly rejecting it out of hand....but don't you think that Road To Bali has a more upbeat feel to it?:).....Just a thought:angel:

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2010, 10:10 PM
This is the entry list for Seoul:

1 PETROVA NADIA RUS 21 1982-06-08
2 MARTINEZ SANCHEZ MARIA JOSE ESP 22 1982-08-12
3 PAVLYUCHENKOVA ANASTASIA RUS 25 1991-07-03
4 KLEYBANOVA ALISA RUS 27 1987-07-15
5 KIRILENKO MARIA RUS 28 1987-01-25
6 SHVEDOVA YAROSLAVA KAZ 32 1987-09-12
7 SZAVAY AGNES HUN 37 1988-12-29
8 ZAKOPALOVA KLARA CZE 38 1982-02-24
9 GOERGES JULIA GER 40 1988-11-02
10 CIBULKOVA DOMINIKA SVK 44 1989-05-09
11 HERCOG POLONA SLO 47 1991-01-21
12 MEDINA GARRIGUES ANABEL ESP 48 1982-07-31
13 KERBER ANGELIQUE GER 50 1988-01-18
14 BALTACHA ELENA GBR 56 1983-08-14
15 DATE KRUMM KIMIKO JPN 59 1970-09-28
16 RODIONOVA ANASTASIA AUS 64 1982-05-12
17 GROTH JARMILA AUS 66 1987-04-26
18 MAKAROVA EKATERINA RUS 69 1988-06-07
19 FLIPKENS KIRSTEN BEL 70 1986-01-10
20 DUSHEVINA VERA RUS 71 1986-09-06
21 CHAN YUNG-JAN TPE 75 1989-08-17
22 RADWANSKA URSZULA POL 75 SR 1990-12-07
23 BENESOVA IVETA CZE 77 1983-02-01
24 KING VANIA USA 81 1989-02-03

http://www.hansolopen.com/2010/player/single.jsp

I think Ana will be seeded for the tournament. 7th or 8th seed. The field is rather weak.. and there aren't all that many friends there.. so Ana would only have to avoid playing Groth and Kirilenko..

Ana should play this seriously.. it's her best shot at a title by far.

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2010, 10:21 PM
I should PM someone else....sent you one,btw...and ask them to suggest it in order to keep you from stubbornly rejecting it out of hand....but don't you think that Road To Bali has a more upbeat feel to it?:).....Just a thought:angel:

All Ana needs to go play Bali is win a MM. I'm sure they would be happy to give her a WC as well..

gaviotabr
Sep 5th, 2010, 10:30 PM
My goal for Ana is to make enough points in these tournaments to be seeded for AO. So here is the current situation:

Ana has 1588 points, nothing to defend, playing at least 4 tournaments. Ana will lose 130 points from Brisbane semis for AO seedings purposes, so we should count her with 1458 points.

Current player ranked 32 is Alona Bonderenko, with 1783 points. Player ranked 24 is Maria Kirilenko, with 2275 points.

So I think Ana needs around 400 points in those 4 tournaments she intends to play in order to be seeded for AO. And around 900 points to be in the top 24, and avoid the top 8 in the third round at AO draw.

Can she do it?

Curtos07
Sep 5th, 2010, 11:00 PM
My goal for Ana is to make enough points in these tournaments to be seeded for AO. So here is the current situation:

Ana has 1588 points, nothing to defend, playing at least 4 tournaments. Ana will lose 130 points from Brisbane semis for AO seedings purposes, so we should count her with 1458 points.

Current player ranked 32 is Alona Bonderenko, with 1783 points. Player ranked 24 is Maria Kirilenko, with 2275 points.

So I think Ana needs around 400 points in those 4 tournaments she intends to play in order to be seeded for AO. And around 900 points to be in the top 24, and avoid the top 8 in the third round at AO draw.

Can she do it?

If she keeps up her form (today's performance aside) then I think she will get there. I think she is going to make a deep run in at least one of those 4 tournaments (Seoul being the most likely). Don't know about reaching the top 24. It's going to be an interesting fall season. I am hoping she can have another Zurich & Linz 2008 like tournaments.

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2010, 11:15 PM
If she keeps up her form (today's performance aside) then I think she will get there. I think she is going to make a deep run in at least one of those 4 tournaments (Seoul being the most likely). Don't know about reaching the top 24. It's going to be an interesting fall season. I am hoping she can have another Zurich & Linz 2008 like tournaments.^^Indeed,it's more than just slightly possible...and the advantage now over Zurich/Linz 2008 is that,despite that short-term success,Ana was still battling to maintain her love for tennis then.She wasn't in the full depths of her slump yet,but she was en route...and her infamous off-season cemented that plunge.....NOW,however,results like Zurich/Linz would be a real launching pad for Ana:bounce::bounce::bounce:

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 12:55 AM
I also hope Ana gets some big time luck with the draws.. she is due to some major wave of luck going her way.

The 2nd Law
Sep 6th, 2010, 03:22 AM
It's time for Bitch Please Ana to become an MM queen :hearts:

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2010, 03:28 AM
It's time for Bitch Please Ana to become an MM queen :hearts:Justin,I still don't regret that I didn't call Kim a bitch.....but there'll be plenty of opponents for Ana who fit the bill in the future:cool:

The 2nd Law
Sep 6th, 2010, 03:30 AM
Justin,I still don't regret that I didn't call Kim a bitch.....but there'll be plenty of opponents for Ana who fit the bill in the future:cool:

Kim is far from a bitch :) besides, it's only a tongue in cheek thing to say, for a laugh :lol:

But yes, let's hope she doesn't have to play any friends for the rest of the year :devil:

bruce goose
Sep 6th, 2010, 03:43 AM
Kim is far from a bitch :) besides, it's only a tongue in cheek thing to say, for a laugh :lol:

But yes, let's hope she doesn't have to play any friends for the rest of the year :devil:Well,I didn't mean it purely in a tongue-in-cheek fashion when Ana played Razzano:devil:

Adrian1092
Sep 6th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Nice to see she has finally added some smaller tournaments :cheer: She still has a lot of work to do, especially on her serve and backhand. Ajde :)

Cp6uja
Sep 6th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Ana must to reach TOP32 and try to reach TOP24 till end of season, and if she continued to use her forehand frequently to hit winners like in good old days and play aggressive, her chances are good for that. On paper, Ana best shot is winning MM Seoul title where playing only 2 players which ever before reach TOP15 (veterans Petrova and Date), but in reality I think her chances for some big result is better in Tokyo and Beijing where all (injury free) WTA TOP players will play! When Ana is not enough motivated anyone can beat her, but when she is highly motivated and focused - she has chance to beat anyone. That's why she won so far only one MM event in whole life (and that Canberra 2005 wins happen just when 17y old Ana switch ITF circuit with pro-tour, so she has all reasons to be high motivated). I don't see Ana to be "enough motivated" in Korea, but at premier-5 in Japan and premier mandatory in Beijing she can repeat Cincinnati/USO passion for tennis (and wins) once again, which means she can beat anybody and go deep into draw. If Sharapova join Clijsters and sisters into TOP8 till end of season, Ana's Melbourne seeds status will not be such good news if she not reach TOP24 in same time, which means Ana needs one good and one very good result in rest of season. Because Hopman Cup Ana will not defend her Brisbane points, so it will be probably better for her to accept Bali WC and finish season two weeks latter than she originally plan.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 01:48 PM
Ana's web makes the Seoul WC official:


Ana set for Seoul
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Home On Court News

Ana today announced her acceptance of a wild card into the Hansol Korea Open in Seoul, a $220,000 International tournament that takes place during 20-26 September.

It will be Ana's first visit to South Korea and the 22-year-old is very much looking forward to it.

"I am often asked what the best thing about being a professional tennis player is. I always say, 'competing on the court', but after that it is probably the opportunity to visit new places, and Korea is going to be a lot of fun, I'm sure."

After Seoul Ana will play Premier tournaments in Tokyo and Beijing.

"I like this new schedule: three tournaments in a row in Asia. There's still a lot to play for this season and it made a lot of sense to add Seoul to my schedule.

"I am grateful for this wild card and I really hope I can compete for the trophy."


She really should try her best to compete for the title.. it's her best shot at a title this season.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 02:01 PM
Ana must to reach TOP32 and try to reach TOP24 till end of season, and if she continued to use her forehand frequently to hit winners like in good old days and play aggressive, her chances are good for that. On paper, Ana best shot is winning MM Seoul title where playing only 2 players which ever before reach TOP15 (veterans Petrova and Date), but in reality I think her chances for some big result is better in Tokyo and Beijing where all (injury free) WTA TOP players will play! When Ana is not enough motivated anyone can beat her, but when she is highly motivated and focused - she has chance to beat anyone. That's why she won so far only one MM event in whole life (and that Canberra 2005 wins happen just when 17y old Ana switch ITF circuit with pro-tour, so she has all reasons to be high motivated). I don't see Ana to be "enough motivated" in Korea, but at premier-5 in Japan and premier mandatory in Beijing she can repeat Cincinnati/USO passion for tennis (and wins) once again, which means she can beat anybody and go deep into draw. If Sharapova join Clijsters and sisters into TOP8 till end of season, Ana's Melbourne seeds status will not be such good news if she not reach TOP24 in same time, which means Ana needs one good and one very good result in rest of season. Because Hopman Cup Ana will not defend her Brisbane points, so it will be probably better for her to accept Bali WC and finish season two weeks latter than she originally plan.

Yes.. but you forget that motivated Ana can also be beaten by motivated Clijsters, motivated Sharapova, motivated Venus.. so on.. a battle between talented players will always depend on both.. and they might as well be motivated for the final 2 premier tournaments of the year. Obviously, Ana should try her best and fight hard to do well in Tokyo and Beijing, but she should be 100% motivated to play Seoul as well. You are applying "old Ana" logic to this, but you have to remember that Ana hasn't won a title in 2 whole years.. 2 whole years without knowing the taste of victory.. that's too much. She should see every tournament as a huge opportunity and be 100% up for it. I really believe that's something she needs in the process to recovery.. she needs to feel that taste again. And if it's still this year, then even better.. more incentive for her to work very hard during the off season and actually play to her potential in 2011. Because truth to be told, 2010 is by FAR the worst year of her career. She needs to feel how it is to win a title again, she needs to have those positive incentives, she needs to end the year on a high note, so she can go into the off season and into 2011 more motivated than ever.

If she goes into Seoul unmotivated, into Luxebourg unmotivated.. and ends the year without a title once again, I'm sure she will be kicking herself. This is a special ocasion.. she is finally in a position to actually contend (as long as she plays well obviously), so she should take every chance to give her all and try her best. Seoul is her best shot at a title, because her being motivated and playing well should be enough to beat anyone in that field. So she should take the opportunity.

Besides.. winning Seoul would qualify her for Bali. And if Ana is playing well, I agree that she should go play Bali. She should try to get as many points as posible now, to make it to the top 24. I'm sure if she is playing well and motivated, she will want to keep playing.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 02:18 PM
Except this last match, we have seen a lot of positives over the past month... Ana seems to be back playing like she really *wants* to be there playing, wants to be on court.. she is adding tournaments, and she is playing with heart again. Her forehand has recovered it's pop and she is even hitting BHs DTL.

But it's still a process.. she is not there yet.. not game-wise, not mentality-wise. She has still a lot to improve and to work on to be back at a top player level. Things are still fragile at the moment IMHO.. so I'm going to take these next few tournaments with caution.. She still needs to go out there and prove she is indeed performing better with each tournament. It's important that she gets consistency in her game now, that she consistently beats the opponents she has to beat, and consistently play with desire and fights her heart out for wins against the big players. She needs to keep performing well and avoid any letdowns. Honestly, I'm still not sure what we can really expect.. I hope we don't have any unpleasant surprises once she steps on court in Asia. :unsure:

Dexter
Sep 6th, 2010, 02:55 PM
I'm jealous that she's going there. I'm basically jealous of everyone who travels to Asia. I want to be there back asap. :sobbing:

InsideOut.
Sep 6th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Good luck in Seoul Ana :bounce:

Cp6uja
Sep 6th, 2010, 04:20 PM
Yes.. but you forget that motivated Ana can also We talking here about unique WTA tennis player called Ana Ivanovic :shrug: I have no idea about reasons why always she has better chances to beat some TOP10/TOP20 player at some tier-I (or bigger) event, than #30-#40 level player at smaller events... but that is Ana. Even during 2009-2010 big slump no big surprise that only final which she reach in that period is premiere mandatory two-weeker in Indian Wells, and that she is destined for example to have much better result in 2M Rome than previous 700K Stuttgart on at 2M Cincinnati than previous 700K San Diego. No logic, but that works for our Ana year by year, at her best and at her worst. If we not count Brisbane which is seasons opening event so she is of course focused and well motivated Ana's W/L at events with under $2.000.000 money prize since 2009 is pathetic 3-6 (8-8 with Brisbane) despite theirs weak Entry lists. At bigger ones ($2M+) she's been at least able time to time to beat 3+ opponents in the row several times, despite slump (IW/09, RG/09, Wim/09, Rome/10, Cincy/10, USO/10).

When Sharapova for example is out of shape and recovering from injury - she can't beat any decent WTA TOP30 player, but at least Maria have some standards for her lowest level and any out of TOP50 can't beat her... so she simple join to couple MM events and reach finals or wins titles in poor competition. But that never works for Ana, so I don't expect some big changes in Seoul neither, but I'm still very excited about her eventual Tokyo or Beijing upcoming results, because some good signs from Cincinnati and New York which she shows this summer. :shrug: Only MM event where I can see Ana to be very focused is Bali MM Masters (but that is not real MM event because winner get 600pts and $200K, which is much bigger for example than 1M$ Moscow standards with w-470pts & w-$160K).

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 04:46 PM
We talking here about unique WTA tennis player called Ana Ivanovic :shrug: I have no idea about reasons why always she has better chances to beat some TOP10/TOP20 player at some tier-I (or bigger) event, than #30-#40 level player at smaller events... but that is Ana. Even during 2009-2010 big slump no big surprise that only final which she reach in that period is premiere mandatory two-weeker in Indian Wells, and that she is destined for example to have much better result in 2M Rome than previous 700K Stuttgart on at 2M Cincinnati than previous 700K San Diego. No logic, but that works for our Ana year by year, at her best and at her worst. If we not count Brisbane which is seasons opening event so she is of course focused and well motivated Ana's W/L at events with under $2.000.000 money prize since 2009 is pathetic 3-6 (8-8 with Brisbane) despite theirs weak Entry lists. At bigger ones ($2M+) she's been at least able time to time to beat 3+ opponents in the row several times, despite slump (IW/09, RG/09, Wim/09, Rome/10, Cincy/10, USO/10).

When Sharapova for example is out of shape and recovering from injury - she can't beat any decent WTA TOP30 player, but at least Maria have some standards for her lowest level and any out of TOP50 can't beat her... so she simple join to couple MM events and reach finals or wins titles in poor competition. But that never works for Ana, so I don't expect some big changes in Seoul neither, but I'm still very excited about her eventual Tokyo or Beijing upcoming results, because some good signs from Cincinnati and New York which she shows this summer. :shrug: Only MM event where I can see Ana to be very focused is Bali MM Masters (but that is not real MM event because winner get 600pts and $200K, which is much bigger for example than 1M$ Moscow standards with w-470pts & w-$160K).

I know Ana has all those patterns.. that's why she hasn't won a tournament in 2 years.. her current level of tennis is obviously not enough to win one of those big tournaments, and she doesn't take the small ones as seriously as she should. What I'm saying is that she should take Seoul as seriously as ever, and fight her heart out there, because it IS her best shot at a title this season. If she doesn't take it seriously, she might even do well in Tokyo and Beijing, and she should try hard to do so, but she will come against a big time player and have a hard time.. simply because her game and her mentality are not there yet. That's why even thought she did well in IW 09 and Rome 2010, she couldn't win it. And honestly, IW 2009 she had a MM draw, piss poor. If she really wants a title this season, and she seems like she wants it from what she said in her presser, she should play her heart out in Seoul, be 100% motivated. She shouldn't see it as a small tournament that is not worth anything.. she should see it as a big chance of winning a title, something she hasn't achieved in 2 whole years. I don't think her goal should only be to have good results in big tournaments.. her focus now should be to take her chances to win a title. For a player like Ana, to go without a title for 2 seasons in a row would be a big blow.

As for Bali, I have to tell you it was downgraded this year.. the winner takes only 375 points.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 04:58 PM
I'm talking title here.. but I have no idea how Ana is going to play once she steps on court in Asia.. it's still all so fragile, so unpredictable..

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 06:33 PM
With Cibulkova winning today, Ana will be ranked 37 in the next rankings and will be the 8th seed for Seoul.

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 6th, 2010, 07:01 PM
:cheer: Can't wait for Seoul! :cheer:

dybbuk
Sep 6th, 2010, 08:05 PM
Playing Seoul gives me a lot of hope for her, maybe more than her playing well in a couple big events. Her finally playing a MM is a great sign that she's willing to work her way back to the top.

jelenacg
Sep 6th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Title :unsure:
Szavay,Kleybanova ,Pavlychenkova,Cibulkova,Kirilenko ... not a bad feild for Seul imo
Baby steps please :)

The 2nd Law
Sep 6th, 2010, 11:25 PM
Title :unsure:
Szavay,Kleybanova ,Pavlychenkova,Cibulkova,Kirilenko ... not a bad feild for Seul imo
Baby steps please :)

lol I agree, when I saw those players I said to myself maybe she should play Guangzhou first :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 7th, 2010, 03:21 PM
Playing Seoul gives me a lot of hope for her, maybe more than her playing well in a couple big events. Her finally playing a MM is a great sign that she's willing to work her way back to the top.

Agreed.

By the way.. your avatar has me sort of hypnotised. :spit:

http://www.tennisforum.com/customavatars/avatar43530_426.gif

bruce goose
Sep 7th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Agreed.

By the way.. your avatar has me sort of hypnotised. :spit:

http://www.tennisforum.com/customavatars/avatar43530_426.gifAna's doing a LOT of positive things she's never done before...one of which has been admitting her counter-productive stubbornness.This leads me to believe that she'll eventually relent on the counselling issue...probably not THIS year,but she'll talk with Heinz and Mariya this off-season and they might very well mention the idea now that Ana is more open to facing up to her shortcomings.I'd be surprised if it never came up at all....There's still no guarantee that Ana'll agree to it,but she won't fire either of her supporters for mentioning it as she would/might have done with Kardon

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 01:23 PM
Safina took a WC into Seoul. So there we have yet another player to avoid... This is sad to say, but Ana needs to stop making so many friends on the WTA, otherwise she won't be able to win a match. Or... learn to be pumped up against friends. The last one is the best solution obviously.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 01:26 PM
Seeds for Seoul:

1 PETROVA
2 MARTINEZ SANCHEZ
3 PAVLYUCHENKOVA
4 KLEYBANOVA
5 KIRILENKO
6 CIBULKOVA
7 SHVEDOVA
8 IVANOVIC

Good to remember that seedings for Seoul will be done with the rankings to be released after the USO. ;)

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 01:46 PM
Ana said she would fly back to Europe, which I guess she already did. Heinz is still in NY though, as he is calling USO matches for swiss TV. I hope Ana keeps on practicing. 1 week and a half until Seoul.

bruce goose
Sep 8th, 2010, 01:56 PM
Safina took a WC into Seoul. So there we have yet another player to avoid... This is sad to say, but Ana needs to stop making so many friends on the WTA, otherwise she won't be able to win a match. Or... learn to be pumped up against friends. The last one is the best solution obviously.Well,it's flattering that you consider Dinara a threat,Izzy but,to be gentle,she's 'somewhat';) less stable than Clijsters...and is less likely to employ good match strategy if she faces Ana.Dinara might not be madly in love with Ana as Sofia is...yet she'll probably offer Ana the same level of competition:o:o:o.Have you seen Dinarik's serving recently??If Ana has ANY trouble returning THOSE,especially the second serves.....then she needs to retire and pursue that backgammon career she's neglected:lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Well,it's flattering that you consider Dinara a threat,Izzy but,to be gentle,she's 'somewhat';) less stable than Clijsters...and is less likely to employ good match strategy if she faces Ana.Dinara might not be madly in love with Ana as Sofia is...yet she'll probably offer Ana the same level of competition:o:o:o.Have you seen Dinarik's serving recently??If Ana has ANY trouble returning THOSE,especially the second serves.....then she needs to retire and pursue that backgammon career she's neglected:lol:

:lol:

InsideOut.
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:04 PM
:lol: at Hantuchova fans in GM trying to say she's more talented than Ana. :spit: Please.

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:07 PM
:lol: at Hantuchova fans in GM trying to say she's more talented than Ana. :spit: Please.

If there's one fanbase I cannot deal with it's them! So fucking bitter because their headcase fave blamed her idiotic and pathetic excuse for a mentality on Ana's shoes.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:11 PM
:lol: at Hantuchova fans in GM trying to say she's more talented than Ana. :spit: Please.

Really? Oh my.. :rolleyes: Let them rejoice in their delusion. :lol:

If there's one fanbase I cannot deal with it's them! So fucking bitter because their headcase fave blamed her idiotic and pathetic excuse for a mentality on Ana's shoes.

That ranks high up there in the worst excuses ever.. it was also so bitter. And honestly.. I don't think that match was only a matter of Hantuchova's mentality.. Ana upped her game, which naturally unsettled Daniela. It's a game of 2.

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:13 PM
Really? Oh my.. :rolleyes: Let them rejoice in their delusion. :lol:



That ranks high up there in the worst excuses ever.. it was also so bitter. And honestly.. I don't think that match was only a matter of Hantuchova's mentality.. Ana upped her game, which naturally unsettled Daniela. It's a game of 2.

Exactly. I can't say I hate any player on tour, but the player I most thoroughly dislike is Hantuchova.

InsideOut.
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:13 PM
I know right :lol: Squeaky shoes, yeah right :cuckoo: Like they weren't squeaking for the first eight games.

We don't even have to defend Ana; other people will do it just fine. Just so obvious. Ana has the better forehand (I would even argue better CC backhand though I give Dani the BH DTL), better movement, better serve, better drop shots (Dani's drop shots are SO overrated it's not funny), and better volleys (Watch AO SF 0-6 6-3 4-4 40-30* and then the first point of the next game, and tell me who's the better volleyer). Please.

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:18 PM
I know right :lol: Squeaky shoes, yeah right :cuckoo: Like they weren't squeaking for the first eight games.

We don't even have to defend Ana; other people will do it just fine. Just so obvious. Ana has the better forehand (I would even argue better CC backhand though I give Dani the BH DTL), better movement, better serve, better drop shots (Dani's drop shots are SO overrated it's not funny), and better volleys (Watch AO SF 0-6 6-3 4-4 40-30* and then the first point of the next game, and tell me who's the better volleyer). Please.

Yep, only other thing Dani does better is lob? :yeah: the two main defenders of Ana in that thread are not prominent Ana fans. "Killing Kindness" also made the same point you did about the volleys, he/she said Ana is one of the best volleyers in recent years, which I'm not sure if I completely agree with.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:20 PM
I know right :lol: Squeaky shoes, yeah right :cuckoo: Like they weren't squeaking for the first eight games.

We don't even have to defend Ana; other people will do it just fine. Just so obvious. Ana has the better forehand (I would even argue better CC backhand though I give Dani the BH DTL), better movement, better serve, better drop shots (Dani's drop shots are SO overrated it's not funny), and better volleys (Watch AO SF 0-6 6-3 4-4 40-30* and then the first point of the next game, and tell me who's the better volleyer). Please.

Exactly. No contest really.

And the squeaky shoes! Oh my... She just wanted Ana to stand still and be aced until the end of the match probably. :o

Actually.. it's easy to say anything about Ana now that she has been playing crap tennis for 2 straight years (except Cincy and first 3 matches of USO). Haters will obviously not remember how Ana can be an amazing player. After Ana beat Zheng last week, I read a tweet from Matt Cronin (I think), and he said something in these lines.. that it was good to remember how Ana was and can be such a great player.

bruce goose
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:22 PM
It's unfortunate b/c Dani herself--as opposed to that fanbase--is actually the sweetest gal;I suppose she was bitter that Ana stopped her 'Francesca moment' b/c,deep down,Dani probably realized that was her only realistic shot at a Slam....She might not apologize to Ana,per se,but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Dani offer some friendly gesture to Ana someday...just to say,"Yeah,I was wrong,and I'm over it now."

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Yep, only other thing Dani does better is lob? :yeah: the two main defenders of Ana in that thread are not prominent Ana fans. "Killing Kindness" also made the same point you did about the volleys, he/she said Ana is one of the best volleyers in recent years, which I'm not sure if I completely agree with.

Ana definitely is one of the best volleyers. Watch Zurich/Linz 2008. Amazing.

The problem with Ana are the approach shots, she can still work on that.

And obviously.. if she is playing like crap, like she has been for much of the past 2 years, every shot suffers, and nothing looks as good as it is.

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Exactly. No contest really.

And the squeaky shoes! Oh my... She just wanted Ana to stand still and be aced until the end of the match probably. :o

Actually.. it's easy to say anything about Ana now that she has been playing crap tennis for 2 straight years (except Cincy and first 3 matches of USO). Haters will obviously not remember how Ana can be an amazing player. After Ana beat Zheng last week, I read a tweet from Matt Cronin (I think), and he said something in these lines.. that it was good to remember how Ana was and can be such a great player.

This is something that really annoys me about people in general. They tend to forget things that aren't conveniant for them to recall :lol: but I also get annoyed at Ana for this too, she deserves so much more respect than she gets, but the hyper slump cort of erased how good she can be from many people's minds. I feel like Ana almost needs to prove herself all over again.

InsideOut.
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:25 PM
It's good Ana isn't playing Tashkent - it would be such an embarrassment if she doesn't win it, and she probably wouldn't this year. Tashkent will have a top 10 player in Zvonareva :spit:

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:29 PM
It was great to get that off my chest, I thought I was the only one who was pissed off about that :weirdo: thread :lol: Thankyou Ben for bringing it up :p

Interesting seeds list you posted there Izzy, who do you all think we should hope Ana draws to meet in the QFs out of
1. Nadia
2. MJMS
3. Pavly
4. Kleybs

I would actually hope for either 1 or 2: Pavs is in pretty good form, and we never want to play Alisa :lol: whereas I think this will be MJMS' first tourney back from injury, and Nadia is herself. Of course, we shouldnt really take anything for granted.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:32 PM
This is something that really annoys me about people in general. They tend to forget things that aren't conveniant for them to recall :lol: but I also get annoyed at Ana for this too, she deserves so much more respect than she gets, but the hyper slump cort of erased how good she can be from many people's minds. I feel like Ana almost needs to prove herself all over again.

She actually does.. Ana needs to prove herself all over again. Unfortunately her slump came at the worst moment possible, right after she got her biggest win. That was the moment to stablish herself as a great player, instead the slump made everything look like a one time wonder. People sometimes don't even remember that was Ana's third slam final. Not only that, but Ana was playing some beautiful stylish tennis late 2007, early 2008, which had both power and touch, as well as variety (using the slice, drop shots, often going to the net, varying spins and pace). Yet, the slump made it easy to anyone who was ready to dismiss her to acuse her of being lucky and a ballbasher.

I agree with you.. it also annoys me how people simply ignore what its no convinient to the point they want to make. But what it is, it is.. now Ana should redouble her determination to reach that high level or even higher again.. it's even more crucial for her career as a whole and for how she will be remembered that she proves herself worth it again, then when she did it in the first place. The issue is, sometimes I don't even think Ana herself has that much faith in her abilities, is not so convinced she is that good. She always seems almost apologetic about it, which is a big shortcoming for a top athlete.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:34 PM
It was great to get that off my chest, I thought I was the only one who was pissed off about that :weirdo: thread :lol: Thankyou Ben for bringing it up :p

Interesting seeds list you posted there Izzy, who do you all think we should hope Ana draws to meet in the QFs out of
1. Nadia
2. MJMS
3. Pavly
4. Kleybs

I would actually hope for either 1 or 2: Pavs is in pretty good form, and we never want to play Alisa :lol: whereas I think this will be MJMS' first tourney back from injury, and Nadia is herself. Of course, we shouldnt really take anything for granted.

I would want MJMS. It's not her first tournament back from injury, she did play New Haven and USO. But she played awful tennis in both, almost being bounced out of the USO in the first round by an american junior WC.

InsideOut.
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:36 PM
If MJMS were good enough to reach QFs I wouldn't want Ana to draw her :unsure: I'd say Nadia or Pavs. Nadia...is Nadia...and Ana always seems to play well against Pavs.

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:37 PM
I would want MJMS. It's not her first tournament back from injury, she did play New Haven and USO. But she played awful tennis in both, almost being bounced out of the USO in the first round by an american junior WC.

I thought she had to withdraw from both :confused: My bad.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:46 PM
I thought she had to withdraw from both :confused: My bad.

She lost 1 and 2 to Dementieva in New Haven. And then lost in the second round of the USO.

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:47 PM
If MJMS were good enough to reach QFs I wouldn't want Ana to draw her :unsure: I'd say Nadia or Pavs. Nadia...is Nadia...and Ana always seems to play well against Pavs.

Yes.. I'm actually more worried about the first couple of rounds.. there are some tricky players who will be unseeded, like Szavay, Groth and Date Krumm, who is the defending champion.

I hope Ana gets a good draw.

The 2nd Law
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:53 PM
Yes.. I'm actually more worried about the first couple of rounds.. there are some tricky players who will be unseeded, like Szavay, Groth and Date Krumm, who is the defending champion.

I hope Ana gets a good draw.

Szavay is the one I am scared of :o

jelenacg
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:55 PM
Hantuchova is better player than Ana :happy:
Girl made 1 SF in her 10 years old career ,she is 27 years old now .Her highest ranking was # 5... and she is better than Ana :rolls:
Just for once i would love to have `the brain` of those objective fans and rest a little bit in that delusional world :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 8th, 2010, 02:56 PM
Szavay is the one I am scared of :o

Yes, me too..

Ana is due to some wave of good luck though.. hopefully she gets some here.. :unsure:

Davodus
Sep 8th, 2010, 05:57 PM
I just realised there was a new thread :o woops. Seoul is a great tournament btw, seems to be well run and has good facilities. I'm happy Ana decided to play there, but a lot of good players play it, so it's not as easy as a lot of MM events.

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2010, 01:35 AM
Ana has a new diary up.. nothing new, but here it is:


Back from the USA
Search this site:
Home About Ana Diary

I got back to Europe a few days ago. It was a long, emotional but overall successful trip to America.

When I arrived there my ranking was really low, but now I'm at least back in the top 40 and am confident I can rise much higher during my remaining tournaments.

At the same time, I am not thinking too much about rankings: I've always believed that if you concentrate on improving your game and winning matches, the rankings take care of themselves. Still, at least I don't have to ask for anymore wild cards!

I said it in New York after losing against Kim: I feel I've been playing well for a while now and making great improvements in training, but it was maybe hard for others to believe it without the results.

Now I've had a few good wins in my last two tournaments and I'm definitely moving in the right direction. But I'm still far from where I want to be.

My upcoming tournaments in Asia - Seoul, Tokyo and Beijing - are a good opportunity to achieve some consistency, and hopefully compete for some titles again.

I enjoyed visiting each city in America, even San Diego where I lost in the first round, which was definitely the low point of the trip.

I liked both Stanford and New Haven very much. They felt a little bit similar, probably because they are both university cities, and Cincinnati was, I think, a turning point for me, so I have good memories from there as well. It's going to be tough to decide which tournaments to play next summer, because right now I want to play them all!

I'm feeling much happier and more confident on the court and I am looking forward to continuing on this path. It's only a week or so until my next tournament.

Love
Ana

gaviotabr
Sep 11th, 2010, 01:38 AM
I liked this:

Still, at least I don't have to ask for anymore wild cards!


Self deprecation at its best! :lol:

Also liked this one:

Now I've had a few good wins in my last two tournaments and I'm definitely moving in the right direction. But I'm still far from where I want to be.

Good that she knows she still has a loooong way to go, mentality and game wise. But she definitely made improvements these past few weeks.

jelenacg
Sep 11th, 2010, 03:22 PM
That part about WCs :rolls:
And it`s true she is still far from her best but at least she is improving ...

gaviotabr
Sep 12th, 2010, 01:04 AM
Random info..

I was flipping through some USO pics at Doublexposure's web, the company that takes pics at tournaments for Ana's web, and ended up seeing pics from Wimbledon. There were a couple of Sven, standing alongside the public watching Ana's match. I just found it curious, because he was not even sitting on the stands.. he was behind some people, standing sideways.

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2010, 06:10 PM
Ana is 33 in the race this week. I think the goal to be seeded for AO is pretty realistic. Though I'm still a bit curious to see how she will play in Asia.. hopefully she can keep improving.

jelenacg
Sep 14th, 2010, 06:58 PM
Ana is 33 in the race this week. I think the goal to be seeded for AO is pretty realistic. Though I'm still a bit curious to see how she will play in Asia.. hopefully she can keep improving.

I don`t follow rankings but i read on twitter that she is about 350 points from the top 30
Hopefully Ana will continue to improve and take Seoul seriously bc it`s a prefect opportunity to gain points
Please don`t go there just to lose in 1st round :tape:

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2010, 07:16 PM
I don`t follow rankings but i read on twitter that she is about 350 points from the top 30
Hopefully Ana will continue to improve and take Seoul seriously bc it`s a prefect opportunity to gain points
Please don`t go there just to lose in 1st round :tape:

Yes.. Ana has 1588 points, with nothing to defend and just 14 tournaments played. So she can only gain points from now on. Daniela Hantuchova, ranked 30th, has 1925 points. That's a difference of 337 points. Ana is close, but she needs to show up and play decent/well, keep improving.

I agree with you.. she needs to take Seoul as serious as any big tournament. It's a great opportunity to get a good result, and she should take it.

jelenacg
Sep 14th, 2010, 07:36 PM
I agree with you.. she needs to take Seoul as serious as any big tournament. It's a great opportunity to get a good result, and she should take it.

She should but i`m afraid she is going to lose in 1st round :o
I don`t believe her with these small tournaments even more comming from a few days of rest in Belgrade :lol:
Hopefully she really did practice while being here

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2010, 07:43 PM
She should but i`m afraid she is going to lose in 1st round :o
I don`t believe her with these small tournaments even more comming from a few days of rest in Belgrade :lol:
Hopefully she really did practice while being here

Yes.. hard to have faith in Ana in those circunstances.. :sobbing: I wish she would take everything seriously now though... it's not like she can afford to tank matches now.. :o

I'm hoping she is already on her way to Asia..

jelenacg
Sep 14th, 2010, 07:55 PM
I'm hoping she is already on her way to Asia..

Maybe she is there already or on her way to Asia

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2010, 08:03 PM
Maybe she is there already or on her way to Asia

Maybe.. let's see if we get any news this week..

I don't know about you though.. but I'm getting a new old vibe from Ana in her latest blogs and interviews.. I had seen her out of character (or at least out of my perception of her) for much of the past year and a half or so.. now I'm beginning to recognize her again.. this is the Ana I became a fan of. :) That's what's most encouraging to me.

jelenacg
Sep 14th, 2010, 08:08 PM
Maybe.. let's see if we get any news this week..

I don't know about you though.. but I'm getting a new old vibe from Ana in her latest blogs and interviews.. I had seen her out of character (or at least out of my perception of her) for much of the past year and a half or so.. now I'm beginning to recognize her again.. this is the Ana I've became a fan off. :) That's what's most encouraging to me.

That`s true but better to keep our expectations low and our jinxes as well :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2010, 08:13 PM
That`s true but better to keep our expectations low and our jinxes as well :lol:

I don't have any expectations really.. I actually don't know what to expect of her level of play in the coming tournaments.. anything can happen IMHO. Hopefully good things will though..

But I just feel happy to be able to see the Ana I've always liked around... I was getting sick of reading her interviews in the past year and a half or so.. really thought she was confused and out of character, talking :bs: most of the time. Now I feel like I'm finally seeing the real Ana again, and I'm happy with that. :)

jelenacg
Sep 14th, 2010, 08:39 PM
I don't have any expectations really.. I actually don't know what to expect of her level of play in the coming tournaments.. anything can happen IMHO. Hopefully good things will though..

But I just feel happy to be able to see the Ana I've always liked around... I was getting sick of reading her interviews in the past year and a half or so.. really thought she was confused and out of character, talking :bs: most of the time. Now I feel like I'm finally seeing the real Ana again, and I'm happy with that. :)

I agree ... at least you can recognize old Ana .That`s nice to see
And then people say we expect too much from her :rolleyes:
I mean look at us we are happy with little things :p

gaviotabr
Sep 14th, 2010, 08:56 PM
I agree ... at least you can recognize old Ana .That`s nice to see
And then people say we expect too much from her :rolleyes:
I mean look at us we are happy with little things :p

:lol: So true!

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 16th, 2010, 12:57 PM
It's always ages before I catch on to these new threads...:lol:

jelenacg
Sep 16th, 2010, 01:00 PM
When will the draw be out? Friday or Saturday ?
Will there be players party...pics from players party in Asia are always great :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 17th, 2010, 06:00 PM
It seems the draw for Seoul will only take place on Sunday.

In other news, someone was impersonating Ana on twitter.. :spit: The account has already been closed though.

jelenacg
Sep 17th, 2010, 06:22 PM
It seems the draw for Seoul will only take place on Sunday.

In other news, someone was impersonating Ana on twitter.. :spit: The account has already been closed though.

I knew that wasn`t Ana :o

But this is funny :spit:
WTATour Dear @IvanovicAna, impersonating one of our players is not a respectable form of flattery. Please don't follow this acct. #fake

about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck

Davodus
Sep 18th, 2010, 04:50 AM
Yeah it was obvious that wasn't Ana :lol: No way would she finish everything with Love Ana Ivanovic :lol: And I still think she wouldn't spell appreciate as aprishiate.

bruce goose
Sep 18th, 2010, 11:36 PM
Looks like Seoul is 10 hours ahead of GMT---does anyone have any idea on when the MD will be released?

Curtos07
Sep 18th, 2010, 11:51 PM
Looks like Seoul is 10 hours ahead of GMT---does anyone have any idea on when the MD will be released?

2:00 PM Seoul time so probably in another 7 hours.

bruce goose
Sep 19th, 2010, 12:03 AM
2:00 PM Seoul time so probably in another 7 hours.Thanks,Curtis:hatoff:...By my watch,2 p.m. Seoul is only SIX hours away...then again,that's when it STARTS;we won't actually SEE it 'til maybe an hour afterwards

Loungy
Sep 19th, 2010, 05:57 AM
Ana is 33 in the race this week. I think the goal to be seeded for AO is pretty realistic. Though I'm still a bit curious to see how she will play in Asia.. hopefully she can keep improving.
But she stands to lose her Brisbane SF pts at the beginning of next year, right? So in theory she not only has to do solid in Asia but good enough to cover up for those pts to get AO seeding, right?

I'm still optimistic for no other reason than the fact that she's actually making a push. That's progress.

bruce goose
Sep 19th, 2010, 07:56 AM
Got to meet lots of Koreans while living in the U.S....though they're much harder to find in my country except for maybe the Federal District.A very industrious,likable folk......but a little slow getting out this week's MD;it was SUPPOSED to be done at 2 p.m. local time...by my calculations,it's 4 p.m. now and still no draw...and it's time to go to bed here:p

Curtos07
Sep 19th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Draw finally out. Ana gets Dushevina in the 1st round, than either Zakopalova or Georges in the 2nd. Dinara or Kiri in the quarters.

http://www.hansolopen.com/2010/eng/draw/drawsingle.jsp

I have to say, she could of had gotten a easier draw. But at leat she didn't get Kleybs or Groth in the 1st round.

Dexter
Sep 19th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Decent draw in Seoul. Ana drew her punchbag Dushevina in 1r, could be Goerges in 2r and Kirilenko or Safina in the QFs... All her nemesis like Szavay & Awfuleynova in the bottom half.
Poor Groth plays Petrova. :awww:

jelenacg
Sep 19th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Draw finally out. Ana gets Dushevina in the 1st round, than either Zakopalova or Georges in the 2nd. Dinara or Kiri in the quarters.

http://www.hansolopen.com/2010/eng/draw/drawsingle.jsp

I have to say, she could of had gotten a easier draw. But at leat she didn't get Kleybs or Groth in the 1st round.

Yeah not that great draw
Let`s see how she plays first but first 2 matches are winnable

Davodus
Sep 19th, 2010, 10:51 AM
Goerges has been in pretty good form and is definitely capable of playing great tennis. She should win her first round, Dushevina has no forehand and it's so easy to hit through her. Hopefully she can have a good tournament anyway...Kiri in the QF would also be tough.

AbyssII
Sep 19th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Ana will play Tuesday. If it's late, I could watch it

Nikkiri
Sep 19th, 2010, 10:58 AM
Goerges has been in pretty good form and is definitely capable of playing great tennis. She should win her first round, Dushevina has no forehand and it's so easy to hit through her. Hopefully she can have a good tournament anyway... Safina in the QF would also be tough.

Fixed

Davodus
Sep 19th, 2010, 12:49 PM
Fixed

:lol: so much faith in your girl ;)

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 19th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Ok, I'm officially scared. Dushevina should be doable, but Goerges/Zakopalova could be very, very dangerous opponents. And we all know that Kiri and Dinara could definitely beat Ana. :scared:

I thought people played MMs to get an easy draw.:o

gaviotabr
Sep 19th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Uff.. this is a tough draw for a MM. I wish Ana could swap places with Klebanova.. :lol:

But well.. hopefully she can play well and make the best of this tournament.

gaviotabr
Sep 19th, 2010, 03:47 PM
But she stands to lose her Brisbane SF pts at the beginning of next year, right? So in theory she not only has to do solid in Asia but good enough to cover up for those pts to get AO seeding, right?

I'm still optimistic for no other reason than the fact that she's actually making a push. That's progress.

Yes.. she needs to get around 400 points until the end of the season so she can be seeded at AO, because she will lose 130 Brisbane points before seedings are done.. I mean.. it's looking like something realistic because she has been actually winning matches lately. Obviously if she goes back to her sucking ways, then it's not all that realistic.

bruce goose
Sep 19th, 2010, 04:12 PM
No surprise:I disagree with everyone who wants Ana to play nobody except Brie Whitehead clones for the rest of her career.Sure,she could lose to some of her opponents,but I think that facing and overcoming challenges is the best way for Ana to build more confidence:shrug:.It's true that we don't want her to meet an army of 'GOAT players' at an MM,yet it's good that she should confront reasonable challenges on the Road to Victory...and I believe this tournament offers them;a nice balance of 'not too hard' and 'not too easy'

spiritedenergy
Sep 19th, 2010, 06:24 PM
when will Seoul start? Ajde Ana!

bruce goose
Sep 19th, 2010, 09:30 PM
Draw finally out. Ana gets Dushevina in the 1st round, than either Zakopalova or Georges in the 2nd. Dinara or Kiri in the quarters.

http://www.hansolopen.com/2010/eng/draw/drawsingle.jsp

I have to say, she could of had gotten a easier draw. But at leat she didn't get Kleybs or Groth in the 1st round.Good news,Curtis!!:D A few of us have talked about Ana's possibly benefiting by having a sports counsellor......Well,Wade Phillips has volunteered his services to help Ana with her on-court discipline and overall winning mentality.Apparently,he expects to have a lot of freetime on his hands next year....Lucky Ana!!:woohoo::crazy:

doni1212
Sep 19th, 2010, 09:38 PM
Umm, please tell me there are 2 Wade Phillips and not the one I think you're talking about...

Curtos07
Sep 19th, 2010, 09:44 PM
Good news,Curtis!!:D A few of us have talked about Ana's possibly benefiting by having a sports counsellor......Well,Wade Phillips has volunteered his services to help Ana with her on-court discipline and overall winning mentality.Apparently,he expects to have a lot of freetime on his hands next year....Lucky Ana!!:woohoo::crazy:

If Wade Phillips is counseling on discipline and winning, then we are all in major trouble. :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 19th, 2010, 09:45 PM
Umm, please tell me there are 2 Wade Phillips and not the one I think you're talking about...:lol:Yeah,it was only a joke,Doni....If Ana DID make that mistake,then I'm pretty confident that Heinz would speak up to dissuade her from making such a gross error;)

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 19th, 2010, 09:50 PM
In this field you barely can have a bad draw. If Ana plays her level as her last 2 then she has a great chance to win it. Let's see how that goes. Not happy that Maria is in her quarter.

doni1212
Sep 19th, 2010, 09:54 PM
:lol:Yeah,it was only a joke,Doni....If Ana DID make that mistake,then I'm pretty confident that Heinz would speak up to dissuade her from making such a gross mistake;)

Oh ok, :lol:

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 20th, 2010, 04:37 AM
Dushevine should be winnable. I remember she stretched Serena to three tiebreaks in Madrid...but that was probably due more to Serena's errors (it wasn't a slam after all :p). So I'm reasonably confident Ana will close this one without too much difficulty. ;)

Nikkiri
Sep 20th, 2010, 08:20 AM
http://news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=general&ctg=tv&game_id=20100918WTA

Stream there, Korean though. So if anyone can figure it out..

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 12:09 PM
Ana's match is the 4th after noon tomorrow in Seoul:

http://www.hansolopen.com/2010/img/content/schdule/oop_21.jpg

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 12:11 PM
http://news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=general&ctg=tv&game_id=20100918WTA

Stream there, Korean though. So if anyone can figure it out..

:sobbing: This one is tough.. I've been clicking on everything on this web for the past 3 days and haven't found anything resembling to a stream. Does anyone around knows korean? That could be very useful.. :lol: The web doesn't allow itself to be translated.

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 12:12 PM
I'm actually a bit curious and scared at the same time about what's going to happen in this tournament.. things are still so fragile I have no idea what Ana will show up. Hopefully the same Ana who played Cincy and the first 3 rounds of the USO. She has a challenging draw for a MM tournament, she needs to be ready from the first point.

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2010, 12:15 PM
:sobbing: This one is tough.. I've been clicking on everything on this web .
And i thought i was the only one :lol:


Does anyone around knows korean? That could be very useful.. :lol:

That could help . Anyone??

Nikkiri
Sep 20th, 2010, 12:19 PM
Last year we managed to get it to work.. It just seems a bit different this year. Need someone who can read the writing for sure :lol:

azdaja
Sep 20th, 2010, 12:33 PM
:sobbing: This one is tough.. I've been clicking on everything on this web for the past 3 days and haven't found anything resembling to a stream. Does anyone around knows korean? That could be very useful.. :lol: The web doesn't allow itself to be translated.
i have a friend who does. i'll give her this link and hope to get a reply soon enough to post it here.

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:17 PM
Last year we managed to get it to work.. It just seems a bit different this year. Need someone who can read the writing for sure :lol:

Did you need to register last year?

i have a friend who does. i'll give her this link and hope to get a reply soon enough to post it here.

Ais.. thanks! Hopefully we figure it out on time!

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:18 PM
And i thought i was the only one :lol:



You definitely have company! :spit:

The 2nd Law
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:22 PM
I only know Korean if it's related to Taekwondo :lol: and even then, I can't read the characters :sad:


Hope everyone is well :wavey:

Davodus
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:29 PM
Hurricane Ana :worship: great username.

The 2nd Law
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:32 PM
Hurricane Ana :worship: great username.

Thankyou :lol:

I chnaged it last week but I havn't been able to post that much lately.

Am I the only one who's kinda scared of Dushevina?

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:34 PM
Thankyou :lol:

I chnaged it last week but I havn't been able to post that much lately.

Am I the only one who's kinda scared of Dushevina?

No.. I'm kinda scared as well.. First of all because I have no idea which Ana will show up.. second because Duchevina is always playing some tight matches against good players, and I'm not sure how Ana would deal with a tough match.

The 2nd Law
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:36 PM
No.. I'm kinda scared as well.. First of all because I have no idea which Ana will show up.. second because Duchevina is always playing some tight matches against good players, and I'm not sure how Ana would deal with a tough match.

Yes. Last year at the USO didn't she nearly beat Venus? And Rome this year. And USO 2008 vs Ana. I'm not comfortable :tape::lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:45 PM
Yes. Last year at the USO didn't she nearly beat Venus? And Rome this year. And USO 2008 vs Ana. I'm not comfortable :tape::lol:

Yes.. it's a tough draw.. :sobbing:

I wish Ana had Kleybanova's cup cake draw... If Ana reaches a final here, she can jump up to 31 in the rankings.

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:47 PM
You definitely have company! :spit:

:lol:
Thankyou :lol:

I chnaged it last week but I havn't been able to post that much lately.

Am I the only one who's kinda scared of Dushevina?

Hurricane Ana :hearts:
And no i`m also scared ,she can be tough

Nikkiri
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:50 PM
Did you need to register last year?



Ais.. thanks! Hopefully we figure it out on time!

Yeah, and it was quite complicated :tape: actually it wasn't me who did it but a friend of mine.

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:55 PM
It seems this link might work at match time:

http://news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=general&ctg=tv&game_id=20100918WTA

Davodus
Sep 20th, 2010, 01:58 PM
I hope so :tape: otherwise my head is on the chopping block :tape:

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2010, 02:15 PM
I hope so :tape: otherwise my head is on the chopping block :tape:

:lol:
Or you`ll get one of those dementors kisses :p

Davodus
Sep 20th, 2010, 02:16 PM
:lol:
Or you`ll get one of those dementors kisses :p

:speakles: :unsure: :tape:

Nikkiri
Sep 20th, 2010, 02:21 PM
I tried it today while there were matches being played and got nothing... lol

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 02:22 PM
I tried it today while there were matches being played and got nothing... lol

:sobbing:

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2010, 02:23 PM
:speakles: :unsure: :tape:

jk :hug:

No stream :sad:

Davodus
Sep 20th, 2010, 02:25 PM
You better be joking :lol:

Dammit...maybe streams weren't offered today :p I'll ask my friend again tomorrow when matches are on if I get a chance :o But I might not even be here because it's my sisters 18th, and we are going out to dinner...and I have a test in the afternoon :o

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 03:31 PM
New diary!


Update from Seoul
Search this site:
Home About Ana Diary

It's been a while since I visited a new country for a tournament - even though I'm only 22 I've been fortunate enough to have visited many different places already. So I was especially looking forward to coming to Korea.

I'm very impressed by the stadium. This is where Steffi Graf won the 1988 Olympics, the year she completed the "Golden Slam". There are many outside courts for practice, which is not always the case at tournaments, and it's really nice to see so many children coming to watch practice.

I arrived early on Friday and was greeted at the airport by photographers and a couple of journalists. It's easy to sense the hunger for tennis here in Asia - there is a lot of excitement about this event and I have been made to feel very welcome.

On Friday evening I had my first practice session on the main court, and the tournament asked me to do an interview for one of the main sports television shows. There were some interesting and unusual questions, maybe we will be able to post the video here soon.

On Sunday I did an autograph session at an adidas store and it was also quite busy. Later that evening my team and I went to a very nice Italian restaurant. So far I haven't been very adventurous with my meals: my agent tried some jellyfish, snails, octopus and some other seafood that I had never seen before. I am not sure my stomach is strong enough for that, but I will definitely try the famous Korean BBQ.

The weather forecast for tomorrow isn't very good, so it could be a long day with some delays, but I'm looking forward to getting back on court.

Love
Ana


Ana has written quite a few blogs lately.. I'm getting spoiled.. :lol:

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2010, 03:39 PM
I like to be spoiled :lol:
Ana please stay away from Korean food ,we don`t want you to get sick :p After the tournament you can eat all Korean food you want :lol:
I had no idea you can eat jellyfish :o
No rain please :sad:

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 03:40 PM
After reading the diary I went to check the weather forecast.. It's awful! 90% of chance of rain all day.. I wonder if it rains all that much, if they will play matches at the indoor courts.

jelenacg
Sep 20th, 2010, 03:48 PM
After reading the diary I went to check the weather forecast.. It's awful! 90% of chance of rain all day.. I wonder if it rains all that much, if they will play matches at the indoor courts.

They have indoor courts as well ?
Then i hope so .Better to play indoors than to wait for hours until the rain stops
Stupid rain :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 03:59 PM
They have indoor courts as well ?
Then i hope so .Better to play indoors than to wait for hours until the rain stops
Stupid rain :rolleyes:

They have a few indoor courts. But I'm not sure how they will do it.. they might try to play them outside..

I hate the rain! :sobbing:

spiritedenergy
Sep 20th, 2010, 04:02 PM
New diary!



Ana has written quite a few blogs lately.. I'm getting spoiled.. :lol:

jellyfish, snails:tape: Octopus is great though:drool:

I hope she won't get too tired of all this activities... I know she needs a relaxed atmosphere, while here she's being going everywhere for promotion...

gaviotabr
Sep 20th, 2010, 04:10 PM
jellyfish, snails:tape: Octopus is great though:drool:

I hope she won't get too tired of all this activities... I know she needs a relaxed atmosphere, while here she's being going everywhere for promotion...

I also hope so.. I'm really clueless about which Ana will show up.. will she take this "small" tournament seriously? She has a history of tanking small tournaments.. :o But she really should take this one as seriously as any other big one.. she needs to take every chance she can get this season.

spiritedenergy
Sep 20th, 2010, 04:14 PM
I also hope so.. I'm really clueless about which Ana will show up.. will she take this "small" tournament seriously? She has a history of tanking small tournaments.. :o But she really should take this one as seriously as any other big one.. she needs to take every chance she can get this season.

after all this hustle and bustle... i think she'll tank:lol::tape::o Butthe good thing even with that she might win a couple of matches... let's see...

Davodus
Sep 20th, 2010, 04:45 PM
I also hope so.. I'm really clueless about which Ana will show up.. will she take this "small" tournament seriously? She has a history of tanking small tournaments.. :o But she really should take this one as seriously as any other big one.. she needs to take every chance she can get this season.

She did give the impression during the USO series that she really wanted to win a tournament at the end of this year..so I think she will go in taking it seriously. At least I hope so.

bruce goose
Sep 20th, 2010, 06:07 PM
Ana will have to play an ITF where they pay the grand prize in worthless Monopoly money for the fans in THIS forum to not panic in apoplexy over her draw....If she manages to win Seoul,then she'll have beaten enough quality players to take pride in the accomplishment

InsideOut.
Sep 20th, 2010, 06:48 PM
I like to be spoiled :lol:
Ana please stay away from Korean food ,we don`t want you to get sick :p After the tournament you can eat all Korean food you want :lol:
I had no idea you can eat jellyfish :o
No rain please :sad:

Jellyfish is awesome :hearts: I love it :bowdown:

Ana trying the Korean BBQ :unsure: It's amazing but it will give her acne :lol:

azdaja
Sep 20th, 2010, 11:08 PM
there were some problems in the communication between me and my friend, so no solution to the stream puzzle yet :rolleyes: perhaps we will solve it together until then. otherwise i hope to get an answer tomorrow.

hellas719
Sep 21st, 2010, 02:33 AM
GL Ana! :bounce:

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 03:50 AM
Jellyfish is awesome :hearts: I love it :bowdown:

Ana trying the Korean BBQ :unsure: It's amazing but it will give her acne :lol:

i checked on wikipedia and it looks like only nonpoisonous jellyfish are eaten... that makes sense... what does it taste like? I'm very curious about them now... I love seafood:drool:

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 04:00 AM
Weather is going to wreck havoc with the schedule.

It's raining in Seoul now and matches scheduled for 12pm have already been postponed 1 hour and should start at 13:00, weather permiting.

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 04:07 AM
Weather is going to wreck havoc with the schedule.

It's raining in Seoul now and matches scheduled for 12pm have already been postponed 1 hour and should start at 13:00, weather permiting.

:o

doni1212
Sep 21st, 2010, 04:24 AM
Looks like she won't play today. If she does, good luck Ana!!!

InsideOut.
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:05 AM
i checked on wikipedia and it looks like only nonpoisonous jellyfish are eaten... that makes sense... what does it taste like? I'm very curious about them now... I love seafood:drool:

Texture is a bit like orange flesh, but without the juice :lol: Hard to describe really :scratch: But I have it quite often - very Chinese thing :D

Here's to a sensational showing in Seoul :bounce::cheer:

Curtos07
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:26 AM
Played canceled for today. Tomorrow doesn't look too great either. :unsure:

jelenacg
Sep 21st, 2010, 01:05 PM
This sucks ,she will play 2 matches tomorrow .And if she wins she will have to play again the next day :tape:
And Tokyo is next week ...

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 01:45 PM
This sucks ,she will play 2 matches tomorrow .And if she wins she will have to play again the next day :tape:
And Tokyo is next week ...

Hey Jelena!

No.. she will only have to play 2 matches in a day if play gets washed out again tomorrow. If Ana plays and wins tomorrow, then she will play again thursday (second round), friday (QF), saturday (SF) and sunday (final). Let's hope she can play and win tomorrow.. we all know Ana won't be winning 2 matches in one day.. :sobbing: Not because of fitness, but because she has a hard time when she needs to refocus fast.

jelenacg
Sep 21st, 2010, 02:20 PM
Hey Jelena!

No.. she will only have to play 2 matches in a day if play gets washed out again tomorrow. If Ana plays and wins tomorrow, then she will play again thursday (second round), friday (QF), saturday (SF) and sunday (final). Let's hope she can play and win tomorrow.. we all know Ana won't be winning 2 matches in one day.. :sobbing: Not because of fitness, but because she has a hard time when she needs to refocus fast.

Oh that`s better
Thanks Izzy :)

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 03:31 PM
From facebook:

Ana Ivanovic The rain here today was quite amazing. I practised indoors and the sound of the rain hitting the roof was so loud, it drowned out conversation. Despite the terrible weather many people came to watch and they would even cheer some shots - the fans here are very enthusiastic! The rain was so heavy you would get soaked walking just a few metres, and I heard that some parts of the city are flooded. Hopefully tomorrow will be better and I'll be able to play outdoors.

Rain.. :o Hopefully tomorrow the weather will cooperate.

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:13 PM
Texture is a bit like orange flesh, but without the juice :lol: Hard to describe really :scratch: But I have it quite often - very Chinese thing :D

Here's to a sensational showing in Seoul :bounce::cheer:

Orange flesh?:tape: No jellyfish for me then:help::lol:
I bet it has a similar texture to the rumen (trippa in Italian) which i hate, all squishy:tape:

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:14 PM
From facebook:



Rain.. :o Hopefully tomorrow the weather will cooperate.

can't they play in those indoor courts where she's practicing? :o

jelenacg
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:28 PM
Orange flesh?:tape: No jellyfish for me then:help::lol:
I bet it has a similar texture to the rumen (trippa in Italian) which i hate, all squishy:tape:

That has to be the most disgusting thing ever :tape::help: How can people eat that :tape:

They will probably play indoors

Also Ana might play Linz ?? :confused:

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:29 PM
can't they play in those indoor courts where she's practicing? :o

According to Ana's web, the organizers are considering moving matches to the indoor courts tomorrow, in case of persistent rain. But they are still hopeful of being able to have outdoor play.

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:33 PM
That has to be the most disgusting thing ever :tape::help: How can people eat that :tape:

They will probably play indoors

Also Ana might play Linz ?? :confused:

people in Italy love it:lol::help: They eat all the cattle stomachs, the rumen and the other stomachs (not to mention liver, heart, etc.) each one has their own name. Trippa is all squishy and flashy but the smell is even worse:tape: My mom used to cook it once a week with potatoes, it was the potato night for me with no meat:o

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:33 PM
According to Ana's web, the organizers are considering moving matches to the indoor courts tomorrow, in case of persistent rain. But they are still hopeful of being able to have outdoor play.

thats a good idea...:o

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:37 PM
people in Italy love it:lol::help: They eat all the cattle stomachs, the rumen and the other stomachs (not to mention liver, heart, etc.) each one has their own name. Trippa is all squishy and flashy but the smell is even worse:tape: My mom used to cook it once a week with potatoes, it was the potato night for me with no meat:o

My mom loves that.. seriously.

I don't eat meat (or other formerly living beings.. :lol:), so I can't say much.. :lol:

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:38 PM
My mom loves that.. seriously.

I don't eat meat (or other formerly living beings.. :lol:), so I can't say much.. :lol:

trippa or all the interiors? Are you vegan/vegetarian izzy?:eek:

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:39 PM
Also Ana might play Linz ?? :confused:

I don't think Ana will play Linz. I don't know where that person on twitter read it, but I highly doubt Ana would play 5 weeks in a row.

Someone posted in the tournament thread here in TF that Ana would probably ask for a WC into Linz, but I don't think this poster has any inside info. Maybe there's where that twitter person read it. I really don't think there is any chance of that being true.

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:40 PM
trippa or all the interiors? Are you vegan/vegetarian izzy?:eek:

I'm a vegetarian since I was 4 years old. Never liked the taste of it.

My mom likes tripa.. :tape:

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:43 PM
I'm a vegetarian since I was 4 years old. Never liked the taste of it.

My mom likes tripa.. :tape:

oh so in portoguese is almost the same:lol: Yes everyone loves it, they think it's a delicacy:o

Vegetarian is much better than vegan, i think you can replace every meat with milk/eggs... especially eggs contain all the necessary proteins and iron.

jelenacg
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:44 PM
people in Italy love it:lol::help: They eat all the cattle stomachs, the rumen and the other stomachs (not to mention liver, heart, etc.) each one has their own name. Trippa is all squishy and flashy but the smell is even worse:tape: My mom used to cook it once a week with potatoes, it was the potato night for me with no meat:o

My parents love it :tape: And yes it smells even worse :help: :tape: When i was younger and living with my parents i would alsways argue with my mother when she cooked that bc of the smell.Ofc i would eat something else but i just couldn`t stand the smell :tape:

Btw i was watching some interview with Novak earlier and guess what he avoid doing while being on court when he was younger ?? :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:45 PM
oh so in portoguese is almost the same:lol: Yes everyone loves it, they think it's a delicacy:o

Vegetarian is much better than vegan, i think you can replace every meat with milk/eggs... especially eggs contain all the necessary proteins and iron.

Yes.. I often drink milk, eat cheese and eggs. I'm not all that idealistic about it.. :lol: My problem was always that I never liked the taste of meat/chicken/fish. I love cheese though.. all kinds of cheese.

jelenacg
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:47 PM
I don't think Ana will play Linz. I don't know where that person on twitter read it, but I highly doubt Ana would play 5 weeks in a row.

Someone posted in the tournament thread here in TF that Ana would probably ask for a WC into Linz, but I don't think this poster has any inside info. Maybe there's where that twitter person read it. I really don't think there is any chance of that being true.

You are probably right,i also found it strange that she would play 5 weeks in a row :shrug:

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:51 PM
You are probably right,i also found it strange that she would play 5 weeks in a row :shrug:

Yes.. she has never done that in her career.. not even 4 weeks in a row.

I do hope she plays Bali though.. either by WC or by qualifying. It would be a nice tournament to finish the season. But then again, she needs to be playing well these next few weeks.. playing like she wants it and means it.

spiritedenergy
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:53 PM
Yes.. I often drink milk, eat cheese and eggs. I'm not all that idealistic about it.. :lol: My problem was always that I never liked the taste of meat/chicken/fish. I love cheese though.. all kinds of cheese.

it makes sense though, considering what your job will be:lol: if i was a doctor and having to do things with meat i would rethink of it too...

gaviotabr
Sep 21st, 2010, 06:55 PM
it makes sense though, considering what your job will be:lol: if i was a doctor and having to do things with meat i would rethink of it too...

:lol: Never thought of it this way though.. :lol: I was 4 when I made the decision.. :lol:

bruce goose
Sep 22nd, 2010, 04:38 AM
Not sure whether it'll significantly affect Ana or not...but play is proceeding smoothly w/o delay---Are they playing indoors or has the rain simply subsided??

Davodus
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:43 AM
What a disgusting return to slump.

Nikkiri
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:44 AM
:sobbing: Any time I post in Ana's forum she loses... think I'm gonna leave you all now :hysteric:

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:45 AM
Pathetic, pathetic display of tennis today.

One of Ana's worst matches of the year. 5-20 in BPs (2-12 in the second set). Over 50 UEs. Ugly tennis all around.

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:48 AM
I'm seriously hoping that she was just using this as a glorified practice session before Tokyo. :o I somehow doubt it though.

Nikkiri
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:48 AM
Was her coach with her?

HowardH
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:49 AM
:sobbing: Any time I post in Ana's forum she loses... think I'm gonna leave you all now :hysteric:

Don't worry, it definitely has nothing to do with you Nikki. It's all Ana herself. She plays stupidly sometimes. Like today. Credit to Vera though, she played a good solid match, she stayed calm regardless of any close calls, unlike Ana who let herself get distracted. Vera hit her bh well and attacked Ana's weaker bh. And she stayed calm when Ana hit some big fh winners, she kept her focus and accepted that Ana will always hit a few fh winners even when you play a good counterplan against her.

Ana on the other hand... well I didn't see the first set so I don't know how she won that. Vera looked the deserving winner all around, more calm, more focused, and with better timing most of the time. Some of Ana's errors were... astounding, in a negative sense. Like bhs that were so late they missed the court by 3 metres, travelling at about 50 kph. Towards the end I felt she stopped thinking and was just smacking the ball wherever it went, hoping it would pay off.

I didn't see Heinz. I saw her trainer, that woman who has been working with her recently, and I think there was a young man too whom I don't know.

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:54 AM
Was her coach with her?

No..

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:55 AM
No..

Great. Maybe she's become one of those players that can't do a thing when her coach isn't there, like Justine. :o

Nikkiri
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:58 AM
No..

Okay yeah, that's not good. I mean she can work on her fitness all she likes but she needs more than just that to win matches. Sounds like she had no game plan? Hope he's gonna be joining her..

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:59 AM
Don't worry, it definitely has nothing to do with you Nikki. It's all Ana herself. She plays stupidly sometimes. Like today. Credit to Vera though, she played a good solid match, she stayed calm regardless of any close calls, unlike Ana who let herself get distracted. Vera hit her bh well and attacked Ana's weaker bh. And she stayed calm when Ana hit some big fh winners, she kept her focus and accepted that Ana will always hit a few fh winners even when you play a good counterplan against her.

Ana on the other hand... well I didn't see the first set so I don't know how she won that. Vera looked the deserving winner all around, more calm, more focused, and with better timing most of the time. Some of Ana's errors were... astounding, in a negative sense. Like bhs that were so late they missed the court by 3 metres, travelling at about 50 kph. Towards the end I felt she stopped thinking and was just smacking the ball wherever it went, hoping it would pay off.

I didn't see Heinz. I saw her trainer, that woman who has been working with her recently, and I think there was a young man too whom I don't know.

Heinz is not in Seoul.. and the young guy is Ana's PR Gavin.

The first set was messy all around.. Ana had a hard time holding.. the difference was that Dushevina was missing more shots and Ana was actually taking advantage of BPs. She broke whenever she had them. In the second set Ana just missed too many BPs.. she actually had BPs in every Dushevina service game. But wasted 10 of them.. had multiple BPs in 3 service games that she ended up not breaking. And missed those with some ugly UEs.. ugly! I think by the third set she had already given up. I don't think Dushevina played well to be honest.. Ana gifted her the match.

It was brainless idiotic ball bashing from Ana today. Awful ugly tennis.

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:01 PM
Okay yeah, that's not good. I mean she can work on her fitness all she likes but she needs more than just that to win matches. Sounds like she had no game plan? Hope he's gonna be joining her..

I hope he joins her as well.

She had no game plan, no nothing... awful tennis all around. Completely brainless ballbashing today. And what's worse.. she was unfocused and letting everything distract her.

InsideOut.
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:05 PM
How does ANYONE lose to Dushevina? :help:

HowardH
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:09 PM
I see, I did think Heinz was not in Seoul but wasn't sure.

And missed those with some ugly UEs.. ugly! I think by the third set she had already given up. I don't think Dushevina played well to be honest.. Ana gifted her the match.

It was brainless idiotic ball bashing from Ana today. Awful ugly tennis.

She definitely made some ugly errors. But I thought that for Vera, at least in the second and third sets which I saw, this was a good match. Missing quite a lot, especially on her fh side, is fairly normal for her. Getting a rhythm where she doesn't miss much, is playing well by her own standards. Her bh was quite solid. In other words, for Dushevina, I feel being consistent=having a good day. I think normal for her is somewhat more erratic than what I saw today.

Ana did play ugly tennis. At least she gave us a few lovely fh winners to see. Not enough to make up for the ugly shots though.

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:12 PM
How does ANYONE lose to Dushevina? :help:

Making plus 50 UEs, playing brainlessly, hitting puff balls second serves to Dushevina's stronger BH, missing 15 BPs, mostly botched FH returns. That's how.. :o

I think Dushevina must have saved about 10 BPs serving to Ana's FH.. she just wouldn't make the return.. which just tells it all. When Ana can't make FH returns, she is playing like crap.

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:15 PM
:cheer: Thank god I missed this match!! :cheer:


:sobbing: Ana. WTF!?!?!?!? :o:o






:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Turnaround in Tokyo!!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:16 PM
I see, I did think Heinz was not in Seoul but wasn't sure.



She definitely made some ugly errors. But I thought that for Vera, at least in the second and third sets which I saw, this was a good match. Missing quite a lot, especially on her fh side, is fairly normal for her. Getting a rhythm where she doesn't miss much, is playing well by her own standards. Her bh was quite solid. In other words, for Dushevina, I feel being consistent=having a good day. I think normal for her is somewhat more erratic than what I saw today.

Ana did play ugly tennis. At least she gave us a few lovely fh winners to see. Not enough to make up for the ugly shots though.

Yes.. I guess it was a good match by Dushevina's standards.. but still.. it was Ana losing this match, not Dushevina winning it. And I don't think there were any particularly good shots from Ana. She always has a few FH winners here and there, even in the most pathetic of matches. It was really a big return to form.. the bad one that she has been showing all year that is. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 12:32 PM
This is no excuse.. but the lines judges were also pretty bad. Obviously Ana shouldn't have gotten so mad and unfocused because of it like she did, but many mistakes against her. I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the match, but still.. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 02:42 PM
Ok.. so.. after this pathetic perfomance.. what can we hope or expect for the next few tournaments? More flops? Or did Ana lose so pathetically today because Seoul is a MM?

Either way, she should rethink her approach to tournaments.. she is in no position to go into a small tournament and give up.. tank.. or play like she doesn't care. Actually.. I don't like Stephanie Myles at all, but she described today's performance perfectly:

exposbabe

Ivanovic goes down in a flurry of angry, brainless ball-whacking, 6-2 in the third to Dushevina before 100 frozen people in Seoul. about 3 hours ago via web

Brainless..

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 22nd, 2010, 02:47 PM
Brainless..



Amazing. :hearts: :inlove: :bowdown:


Ana needs to start treating every tournament and each and every opponent with utter seriousness, focus and determination. There are no easy opponents for her. No easy tournaments. No expected wins. She needs to bring it every time she steps on court.

spiritedenergy
Sep 22nd, 2010, 03:46 PM
Ok.. so.. after this pathetic perfomance.. what can we hope or expect for the next few tournaments? More flops? Or did Ana lose so pathetically today because Seoul is a MM?

Either way, she should rethink her approach to tournaments.. she is in no position to go into a small tournament and give up.. tank.. or play like she doesn't care. Actually.. I don't like Stephanie Myles at all, but she described today's performance perfectly:



Brainless..

frozen? was it very cold? i kind of expected it... I knew my Ana by now:sad:. To many distractions, bad playing conditions, a MM = tank. she tanked slams this year, so it's not really unexpected...

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 04:08 PM
frozen? was it very cold? i kind of expected it... I knew my Ana by now:sad:. To many distractions, bad playing conditions, a MM = tank. she tanked slams this year, so it's not really unexpected...

It seemed cold.. most people were wearing cold weather clothes. Even Gavin had a coat and was all wrapped up in a towel.

But no excuses really.. Ana just gift wrapped this match away to Dushevina. You can have 3+ BPs in a number of games and not break. And she had over 3 BPs in 4 games that she ended up not breaking. Had 2 BPs in another3 service games she didn't break. Most of the BPs she wasted were out of botched returns out of so so serves. I was almost screaming at my computer for her to just get the effing return in. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 04:09 PM
Amazing. :hearts: :inlove: :bowdown:


Ana needs to start treating every tournament and each and every opponent with utter seriousness, focus and determination. There are no easy opponents for her. No easy tournaments. No expected wins. She needs to bring it every time she steps on court.

Agreed. She can't afford being all brainless and unfocused like this.. she should be fighting for every single point, let alone match and tournament. :o

I'm honestly really disappointed.. though I should expect it. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 04:30 PM
Draw for Tokyo will be done friday afternoon according to the tournament's web. Main draw starts sunday.

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 04:43 PM
Ana was the only seed to lose at Seoul so far.

This is her 5th first round loss this year, and the 11th tournament (out of 14 played) that she loses before QF. :tape:

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 05:10 PM
Ana, you idiot :o
So many BPs wasted :lol:
:rolleyes:

This had disaster in coming written all over the place even before the match started :tape:
Ana is like a little kid who constantly needs to be supervised :o
Where is Heinz ? I hope he will be in Tokyo and Ana you better be focused while playing there :fiery:

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 05:36 PM
Facebook:

Ana Ivanovic I'm very disappointed with today's defeat. After the first set I didn't play well at all. She put me under pressure and didn't make many mistakes so she deserved to win. It's extra disappointing because I have been made to feel so welcome here. I really wish I could have gone a lot further.

IMHO she didn't play well in the first set either.. but at least she was taking her chances. After that, she just couldn't return a puff ball second serve when she had BP. :o

She says she wishes she could have gone further.. I don't doubt she wishes, but she really didn't do much about it.. I mean.. she totally gave up and tanked the third set. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 05:38 PM
Ana, you idiot :o
So many BPs wasted :lol:
:rolleyes:

This had disaster in coming written all over the place even before the match started :tape:
Ana is like a little kid who constantly needs to be supervised :o
Where is Heinz ? I hope he will be in Tokyo and Ana you better be focused while playing there :fiery:

Where IS Heinz really? Ana needs him.. :sobbing: She could've called him on court.. maybe he would have made her stop being such an idiot on court at least for a little while.. all she needed really. :o

I don't know about Tokyo.. why should it be any different? And she will have a tougher draw.. :o

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:12 PM
Where IS Heinz really? Ana needs him.. :sobbing: She could've called him on court.. maybe he would have made her stop being such an idiot on court at least for a little while.. all she needed really. :o

I don't know about Tokyo.. why should it be any different? And she will have a tougher draw.. :o

Maybe it won`t be different but she has to be more focused .I didn`t watch the match but i already can imagine how it went...
MM tournament,bad calls against her ,rain delays ,she wasn`t focused enough or had enough desire to win the match ...she probably was annoyed by everything as well :rolleyes:

Some news about Heinz would be good ,i don`t want to start worrying about where he is :scared:
And her returns of serve were completely awful whole year :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:20 PM
Maybe it won`t be different but she has to be more focused .I didn`t watch the match but i already can imagine how it went...
MM tournament,bad calls against her ,rain delays ,she wasn`t focused enough or had enough desire to win the match ...she probably was annoyed by everything as well :rolleyes:

Some news about Heinz would be good ,i don`t want to start worrying about where he is :scared:
And her returns of serve were completely awful whole year :o

Yeah.. today was awful all around.. and she left everything get into her head. But honestly.. it was such a huge regression compared to Cincy and USO, that I can't expect anything but a first round loss in Tokyo. Even if she shows up more focused, she won't have time to improve her shots. It was that bad. Maybe we should hope she gets some obscure japanese WC that gifts her the match just like she did with Dushevina today.. only hope really.

I would also like to see Heinz with her in Tokyo, otherwise I'll worry.. :help:

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:31 PM
Yeah.. today was awful all around.. and she left everything get into her head. But honestly.. it was such a huge regression compared to Cincy and USO, that I can't expect anything but a first round loss in Tokyo. Even if she shows up more focused, she won't have time to improve her shots. It was that bad. Maybe we should hope she gets some obscure japanese WC that gifts her the match just like she did with Dushevina today.. only hope really.

I would also like to see Heinz with her in Tokyo, otherwise I'll worry.. :help:

Ugh :bigcry:
Heinz please show up in Tokyo ...

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:34 PM
Ugh :bigcry:
Heinz please show up in Tokyo ...

Yes, please! :sobbing:

Will Ana be one of those streaky players who have one or two good tournaments each season and then go back to losing first and second rounds? Like Kateryna Bondarenko or something.. :tape:

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:44 PM
Yes, please! :sobbing:

Will Ana be one of those streaky players who have one or two good tournaments each season and then go back to losing first and second rounds? Like Kateryna Bondarenko or something.. :tape:

Kateryna Bondarenko :lol: At least she is not Vaidisova anymore :lol:

Ana had 3 good tournaments :ras:
:lol:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:46 PM
Oops I was wrong again. More MM please, it's really the best way to come back!

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:49 PM
Kateryna Bondarenko :lol: At least she is not Vaidisova anymore :lol:

Vaidisova quit.. if Ana quits, then we can call her Vaidisova again. :sobbing:

Ana had 3 good tournaments :ras:
:lol:

OMG! 3!!! Amazeballs! :spit:

You know.. Melanie Oudin has made more QFs than Ana this year.. just saying.. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:50 PM
Oops I was wrong again. More MM please, it's really the best way to come back!

Yes.. let's give up on the MMs.. Ana is just not very professional and doesn't care about those.

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 06:57 PM
Oops I was wrong again. More MM please, it's really the best way to come back!

I think we had this discussion before :scratch:


OMG! 3!!! Amazeballs! :spit:

You know.. Melanie Oudin has made more QFs than Ana this year.. just saying.. :o

Yes i know :lol: I read Curtis tweet about that ,but how ??:confused:

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:00 PM
I think we had this discussion before :scratch:



Yes i know :lol: I read Curtis tweet about that ,but how ??:confused:

Oudin takes MMs seriously.. made QFs in Memphis, Ponte Vedra Beach, Quebec City.. also Paris and I think Charleston.

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:02 PM
Oudin takes MMs seriously.. made QFs in Memphis, Ponte Vedra Beach, Quebec City.. also Paris and I think Charleston.

Oh she really does :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:09 PM
Oh she really does :lol:

I'm convinced Ana only made the semis in Brisbane because she wanted to make a good impression on the at the time in laws who were watching her live. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:12 PM
Will Ana ever win a title again? :sobbing:

The likes of Mariana Duque Marino and Tamira Paszek have more titles in the last 2 years than Ana. :o 2 whole years titleless.. you gotta aplaud that.. NOT.

Protoss
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:20 PM
Oudin takes MMs seriously.. made QFs in Memphis, Ponte Vedra Beach, Quebec City.. also Paris and I think Charleston.
Sharapova takes Mickey Mouse tournaments a lot more seriously than Ana as well.

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:28 PM
Sharapova takes Mickey Mouse tournaments a lot more seriously than Ana as well.

Sharapova is a pro. In all the sense of the word. Tennis is her job and she takes it seriously as a whole.

I don't think Ana sees tennis as a job, her work, something she has the obligation to take seriously no matter where or what.

gloria7
Sep 22nd, 2010, 07:55 PM
"She put me under the pressure..." Dushevina? We need to talk,honey.
Do you know what the pressure is? -When you have to work,as a teacher,for 350 euros a month. Have you watched Novak against Ljubicic and Cilic in Split?
From what i could hear by watching my TV,everytime when Nole had to serve,crowd was shouting:"Silence,people,Gipsy is on serve! Hey,monkey,you don't have the balls to do that! Kill,kill,kill the Serb! Novak,you stinking pussy!" Now,honey,THAT'S the pressure. And he kept his cool and won both matches in straight sets.
Why is it so difficult for Ana to use her own experience and win a match? When will she begin to win routinely? I mean,she plays tennis for 17 years.I know, it's not the same to train or to play tennis when you are 5,16 or 22 years old,but still...Imagine yourself doing the same job,same routine,every day, for such a long time.You should be an expert by now,right? It's sad to see that ,after 7 different coaches,after she dedicated whole her life to the tennis,after all that practicing and hard work,girl who eated,breathed and lived tennis for the last 17 years,still doesn't read the game and don't know how to win.

bruce goose
Sep 22nd, 2010, 08:28 PM
Sharapova is a pro. In all the sense of the word. Tennis is her job and she takes it seriously as a whole.

I don't think Ana sees tennis as a job, her work, something she has the obligation to take seriously no matter where or what.This is an alien concept to Ana,it seems;she was raised by her parents to think about whatever made her felt good...and that 'bad things' would magically disappear,eventually,by wishing them away.Ana often does whatever makes her feel comfortable at the moment...to hell with whether or not it's beneficial in the long term.

We can understand why Ana wants tennis to be fun...nothing more than a game for her...this is a natural,human sentiment.......yet Reality dictates that Ana must treat tennis,to at least SOME extent,like a profession...one where she's almost obligated to make the best use of her God-given talents---even when she's not 'in the mood'.Dragana and Pops have helped make Ana a fine example of European relativism...where moral and intellectual absolutes don't exist unless the sitting intelligentsia dictate them at the moment.The entire concept of doing what's needed even when you don't feel like it.....well,that's a mindset that's just barely a vapor in Ana's world:shrug:....I hope that Mariya has a stern talk with her whenever she senses the time is right

gaviotabr
Sep 22nd, 2010, 09:21 PM
"She put me under the pressure..." Dushevina? We need to talk,honey.
Do you know what the pressure is? -When you have to work,as a teacher,for 350 euros a month. Have you watched Novak against Ljubicic and Cilic in Split?
From what i could hear by watching my TV,everytime when Nole had to serve,crowd was shouting:"Silence,people,Gipsy is on serve! Hey,monkey,you don't have the balls to do that! Kill,kill,kill the Serb! Novak,you stinking pussy!" Now,honey,THAT'S the pressure. And he kept his cool and won both matches in straight sets.
Why is it so difficult for Ana to use her own experience and win a match? When will she begin to win routinely? I mean,she plays tennis for 17 years.I know, it's not the same to train or to play tennis when you are 5,16 or 22 years old,but still...Imagine yourself doing the same job,same routine,every day, for such a long time.You should be an expert by now,right? It's sad to see that ,after 7 different coaches,after she dedicated whole her life to the tennis,after all that practicing and hard work,girl who eated,breathed and lived tennis for the last 17 years,still doesn't read the game and don't know how to win.

Yeah.. I was like.. "Dushevina put pressure" WTF? Ana had multiple break points in almost every single service game from Dushevina.. missing 15 of them.. and Ana couldn't hold due to some huge UEs, not because Dushevina was hitting winners. :o

Maybe it is right that she put pressure on herself, and felt like she had to win this match. That is a feeling she simply can't have if she ever wants to be a top player again.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 22nd, 2010, 09:22 PM
I think we had this discussion before :scratch:



BINGO! And nobody agreed with me :rolleyes:

Loungy
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:32 PM
Have you watched Novak against Ljubicic and Cilic in Split?
From what i could hear by watching my TV,everytime when Nole had to serve,crowd was shouting:"Silence,people,Gipsy is on serve! Hey,monkey,you don't have the balls to do that! Kill,kill,kill the Serb! Novak,you stinking pussy!" Now,honey,THAT'S the pressure. And he kept his cool and won both matches in straight sets.
Off topic, but that's pretty appalling stuff.

jelenacg
Sep 22nd, 2010, 11:43 PM
Yeah.. I was like.. "Dushevina put pressure" WTF? Ana had multiple break points in almost every single service game from Dushevina.. missing 15 of them.. and Ana couldn't hold due to some huge UEs, not because Dushevina was hitting winners. :o

Maybe it is right that she put pressure on herself, and felt like she had to win this match. That is a feeling she simply can't have if she ever wants to be a top player again.

I don`t think it was pressure :rolleyes: You don`t miss 15 BPs bc of pressure ,you missed them bc of lack of focus :o
BINGO! And nobody agreed with me :rolleyes:

Why do you think we will agree with you now? I mean we clearly have different opinions about this subject .I`m not going to convince you ,neither you will convince me so why bother :shrug:
Are we going to start the same discussion every time Ana plays-loses in MM tournament ?

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:10 AM
BINGO! And nobody agreed with me :rolleyes:

So Sjoerd.. Ana lost in such pathetic way today just because it was a MM. By your logic she might very well rock Tokyo and Beijing, right? Both are big tournaments...

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:14 AM
I don`t think it was pressure :rolleyes: You don`t miss 15 BPs bc of pressure ,you missed them bc of lack of focus :o


Yeah Jelena.. only goes on to show how Ana has no clue of what happens to her on court. :o

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:17 AM
So.. random stats..

Ana's best result at a tournament she added to her schedule this year was a second round:

Stuttgart: 1st round.
Rosmalen: 2nd round.
Stanford: 2nd round.
New Haven: Withdrew.
Seoul: 1st round.

What should we expect from Luxembourg? :tape::help:

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:20 AM
On the other hand, Ana had her best results this year in historically bad places for her:

Brisbane SF.
Rome: SF.
Cincy: SF
USO: 4th round.

All personal bests.

Should we have hope for Beijing? She never did well there... and had to withdraw last year and from olympics.

Protoss
Sep 23rd, 2010, 03:15 AM
Will Ana ever win a title again? :sobbing:

The likes of Mariana Duque Marino and Tamira Paszek have more titles in the last 2 years than Ana. :o 2 whole years titleless.. you gotta aplaud that.. NOT.
If Ana were someone who took Mickey Mouse tournaments seriously then yeah the prospects of her winning a title again would be pretty darn good. Since she isn't though, it's not gonna happen again until Ana is playing at a high enough level to win a big tournament like at a top 10 to top 15 level at least. :shrug:

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 23rd, 2010, 04:58 AM
So Sjoerd.. Ana lost in such pathetic way today just because it was a MM. By your logic she might very well rock Tokyo and Beijing, right? Both are big tournaments...

You don't get my point or don't want to listen. I just said MM isn't the solution. You can count Canberra as exception maybe but I can't think of any MM she played well in her career.
I don't expect her to win Tokyo, but she certainly gets more points in these than the MM tournaments.

HowardH
Sep 23rd, 2010, 07:54 AM
You don't get my point or don't want to listen. I just said MM isn't the solution. You can count Canberra as exception maybe but I can't think of any MM she played well in her career.
I don't expect her to win Tokyo, but she certainly gets more points in these than the MM tournaments.

I understand your point actually. Perhaps we could put it another way. I haven't looked up her full record, but from what you say, Ana has shown in the past that she generally does not play well in MM tournaments. So she doesn't find it easy to play MMs, perhaps she feels more pressure in this environment for whatever reason.

This doesn't necessarily mean that playing MMs will not prove to be an important part of the solution- if she ever finds a solution to her struggles. But it does mean that we shouldn't expect her to find it easy in MM tournaments, even though the fields are weaker. We can expect her to struggle in MMs, just as much if not more than in bigger tournaments. Perhaps it means that figuring out how to play well in MMs is actually an important part of what Ana needs to do, even though she will possibly tend to pick up the majority of her points from the odd win in slightly bigger tournaments.

Curtos07
Sep 23rd, 2010, 07:59 AM
Zakopalova defeats Dushevina in straights sets. Give me a minute while I go puke. :rolleyes: :o

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 23rd, 2010, 08:18 AM
I'm so disgusted with her. :o

HowardH
Sep 23rd, 2010, 09:01 AM
But Dushevina losing next round is more or less to be expected. She doesn't often play two decent matches in a row. Although it's only Klara. I mean, it's not like I'm surprised Vera lost... Klara will probably lose to Dinara too, keeping Ana in contention for the wooden spoon.

Protoss
Sep 23rd, 2010, 09:43 AM
But Dushevina losing next round is more or less to be expected. She doesn't often play two decent matches in a row. Although it's only Klara. I mean, it's not like I'm surprised Vera lost... Klara will probably lose to Dinara too, keeping Ana in contention for the wooden spoon.
That would mean 2 titles for Ana this year. :p

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:25 PM
If Ana were someone who took Mickey Mouse tournaments seriously then yeah the prospects of her winning a title again would be pretty darn good. Since she isn't though, it's not gonna happen again until Ana is playing at a high enough level to win a big tournament like at a top 10 to top 15 level at least. :shrug:

Will that ever happen though? I'm not sure.. might never happen..

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:34 PM
I understand your point actually. Perhaps we could put it another way. I haven't looked up her full record, but from what you say, Ana has shown in the past that she generally does not play well in MM tournaments. So she doesn't find it easy to play MMs, perhaps she feels more pressure in this environment for whatever reason.

This doesn't necessarily mean that playing MMs will not prove to be an important part of the solution- if she ever finds a solution to her struggles. But it does mean that we shouldn't expect her to find it easy in MM tournaments, even though the fields are weaker. We can expect her to struggle in MMs, just as much if not more than in bigger tournaments. Perhaps it means that figuring out how to play well in MMs is actually an important part of what Ana needs to do, even though she will possibly tend pick up the majority of her points from the odd win in slightly bigger tournaments.

Exactly, Howard!

If Ana has such trouble playing MM events, it might as well be a part of her overall struggles. If she can't focus enough, or play it seriously, this is a problem. And she needs to solve it. Perhaps identifying and solving this problem is part of her road to recovery. Because focus/concentration and mentality issues are on the root of Ana's 2 year slump. The fact that she can't do her best in a tournament because it's a small tournament is something she needs to address..

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:38 PM
Zakopalova defeats Dushevina in straights sets. Give me a minute while I go puke. :rolleyes: :o

Really not surprising at all Curtis. I was sure it would happen.. I mean.. Ana did all the work yesterday, over 50 UEs, 40 of those coming in the last 2 sets. So Zakopalova probably played to Dushevina's FH (which Ana didn't, and it's her weak side) and made less UEs. Enough to beat her. I mean.. Ana had thousands of chances to win the match.. she just didn't take any. This was like Ana's match against Dulko at AO..

I'm so disgusted with her. :o

Me too.. not just about yesterday.. her last 2 matches have been a pathetic display of tennis and attitude. Completely pathetic.

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:45 PM
But Dushevina losing next round is more or less to be expected. She doesn't often play two decent matches in a row. Although it's only Klara. I mean, it's not like I'm surprised Vera lost... Klara will probably lose to Dinara too, keeping Ana in contention for the wooden spoon.

Howard... Dushevina probably played today just like she played against Ana.. not much of a difference at all. The thing is.. Zakopalova wasn't making as many UEs. Ana was doing all the work yesterday.. rallies weren't long enough for Dushevina to miss much, because Ana was making the UE before. It was all Ana yesterday.. all Dushevina had to do was get the return of serve inside the court and the serve in the box.. the rest of the job was all Ana's.. hit or miss, mainly miss a lot. Also.. even with Ana playing one of her worst matches of the year (and there were plenty of awful matches in 2010), she had many chances.. at least to keep herself in the match by breaking serve. And she wasted, one after the other. Klara probably didn't. I really don't think this is about Vera's level of play.. it was most probably the same.

I actually think Ana is a favorite for another wooden spoon.. and a deserved favorite. She played such a pathetic, brainless match, she deserves an award for that. Hard to play it any more pathetic.

That would mean 2 titles for Ana this year. :p

:bounce::eek:


:help::tape::o

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:48 PM
I keep reading people saying Ana should just forget this match and move on. I disagree.. she should not forget. She should really think why she played so poorly and address the issue. It's a problem and she should find solutions.

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 01:55 PM
We are going to see what happens in Tokyo.. but if she has another pathetic showing, the result in Seoul will have nothing to do with it being a MM, but with her being back to sucky mode.

Again.. this match reminds me a LOT of her match against Dulko at AO, and that was not a MM. All patterns were there.. mad with line calls, out of control emotionally, hitting the ball anywhere, opponent giving her all sorts of chances and her wasting them.. same patterns. And that was a Grand Slam. After that we probably had Ana's worst matches of the season on a big Fed Cup tie. I'm just saying it might not have to do with it being a small tournament.. unfortunately.

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 02:00 PM
I'm rambling and rambling here.. but this is really frustrating.. every time Ana gives us some hope, she seems to fall in an even deeper abysm.

Davodus
Sep 23rd, 2010, 02:32 PM
I'm rambling and rambling here.. but this is really frustrating.. every time Ana gives us some hope, she seems to fall in an even deeper abysm.

it's ok, let it all out :lol:

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 02:33 PM
it's ok, let it all out :lol:

:lol:

It's therapy.. :p

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 02:41 PM
If we put "wooden spoon tennis" on google, the first article that comes up is this one:

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/other/tennis/2010/07/04/passing-shots-ana-picks-up-wooden-spoon-102039-22380115/

:tape:

I mean really.. Ana is about to pick up her second Wooden Spoon of the year. She might as well qualify for the YEC Wooden Spoon and compete for the prestigious Wooden Bowl!

https://allthingstennis.com/oscommerce/catalog/images/CK-T288.jpg

Davodus
Sep 23rd, 2010, 02:53 PM
:lol:

It's therapy.. :p

Yes :lol: My therapy is usually breaking things, but I think I've run out of things to break.

If we put "wooden spoon tennis" on google, the first article that comes up is this one:

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/other/tennis/2010/07/04/passing-shots-ana-picks-up-wooden-spoon-102039-22380115/

:tape:

I mean really.. Ana is about to pick up her second Wooden Spoon of the year. She might as well qualify for the YEC Wooden Spoon and compete for the prestigious Wooden Bowl!

https://allthingstennis.com/oscommerce/catalog/images/CK-T288.jpg

what a prestigious award :worship:

bruce goose
Sep 23rd, 2010, 03:08 PM
To clarify my last post,Ana is QUITE capable of dedicating herself well....WHEN she wants something badly enough...as when she sought the heights of tennis during her rise.......but,as with these MMs,she wasn't taught the concept of always going all out on principle alone...and that's reflected in her MM performances

bruce goose
Sep 23rd, 2010, 06:30 PM
Sometimes it appears that Ana fans are surprised by her behavior when they really shouldn't be;I guess it's easy to forget that,despite her booksmarts,she truly has the emotional maturity level of a 17-year-old...and she demonstrates that quite frequently.I hinted a few months back and'll say it again...if Caro and Ana were complete strangers to me and you asked me which one was 19 and which was almost 23,then I never would've guessed correctly...and when you'd told me the truth I'd reply,"You gotta be kidding me!":eek:.Masha is only seven months older than Ana...yet it seems like seven YEARS.

None of this negates Ana's sweet,lovable character traits:angel:,though I go back to something Izzy said a while ago...that some people--such as Serena--just have a toughness within them...and others simply don't.While that's true to SOME extent,it's also possible to INSTILL toughness in children at a young age.Is there any doubt that R.Williams did that with Serena and Venus(while leaving time for love and affection)??We needn't bother asking that about Ana(sigh...).

THIS is why I place so much value on Mariya's potential,positive impact on Ana;it looks to me as though Dragana and Pops defined their parental responsibilities in terms of buying ice cream and nice presents for Ana....Stuff like teaching about life and adulthood,well...that was too challenging for them to try,apparently:rolleyes:.Ana HAS shown signs of improvement in recent months,no question,but it's unrealistic to expect her to just snap her fingers and click on the Maturity Switch and magically transform into the consistent person we want her to be.She still has a lot of growing up to do;however,I think she's at least heading on the right track now:):cool:

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 06:48 PM
Sometimes it appears that Ana fans are surprised by her behavior when they really shouldn't be;I guess it's easy to forget that,despite her booksmarts,she truly has the emotional maturity level of a 17-year-old...and she demonstrates that quite frequently.I hinted a few months back and'll say it again...if Caro and Ana were complete strangers to me and you asked me which one was 19 and which was almost 23,then I never would've guessed correctly...and when you'd told me the truth I'd reply,"You gotta be kidding me!":eek:.Masha is only seven months older than Ana...yet it seems like seven YEARS.

None of this negates Ana's sweet,lovable character traits:angel:,though I go back to something Izzy said a while ago...that some people--such as Serena--just have a toughness within them...and others simply don't.While that's true to SOME extent,it's also possible to INSTILL toughness in children at a young age.Is there any doubt that R.Williams did that with Serena and Venus(while leaving time for love and affection)??We needn't bother asking that about Ana(sigh...).

THIS is why I place so much value on Mariya's potential,positive impact on Ana;it looks to me as though Dragana and Pops defined their parental responsibilities in terms of buying ice cream and nice presents for Ana....Stuff like teaching about life and adulthood,well...that was too challenging for them to try,apparently:rolleyes:.Ana HAS shown signs of improvement in recent months,no question,but it's unrealistic to expect her to just snap her fingers and click on the Maturity Switch and magically transform into the consistent person we want her to be.She still has a lot of growing up to do;however,I think she's at least heading on the right track now:):cool:

I think you might be giving too much importance and trust to a person you don't know. I mean.. why would Marija have such reivingorating and strong effect on Ana now if she has been in Ana's life, on and off, since Ana was 13. Why would she make that much of a difference now? Why would the things she does and says be so new and relevant to have such effect? Don't get me wrong, I like Marija.. but you are assuming too much Bruce.

IvanovicTheBest
Sep 23rd, 2010, 07:07 PM
I keep reading people saying Ana should just forget this match and move on. I disagree.. she should not forget. She should really think why she played so poorly and address the issue. It's a problem and she should find solutions.
I agree with you!!!but she should forget this match because we all know how emotional and overthinking girl she is,so if losing a match in first round,after few good wins,stays in her mind(in that way and not in a way of finding solutions for the problems) than i definitely think she should forget it! ;)But i stil say BABYSTEPS :)

bruce goose
Sep 23rd, 2010, 07:19 PM
I think you might be giving too much importance and trust to a person you don't know. I mean.. why would Marija have such reivingorating and strong effect on Ana now if she has been in Ana's life, on and off, since Ana was 13. Why would she make that much of a difference now? Why would the things she does and says be so new and relevant to have such effect? Don't get me wrong, I like Marija.. but you are assuming too much Bruce.Maybe aye AM assuming too much,but part of it is based on observing recent events:For example,Ana obviously suffered from being overly stubborn for YEARS...and now she's finally come clean about that flaw instead of denying it.That's a big step in personal growth for someone who has used Denial as a crutch.Since I don't believe Ana's recent progress is mere coincidence,what's different about the Ana Equation that didn't exist before??The answer:Heinz and Mariya.

You make a reasonable point that Ana has known Marija for years,but the circumstances have changed,Izzy.NOW at least a part of Ana realizes that she needs counselling from a trustworthy,dependable voice;she understands that she's made some stupid mistakes and listened to the WRONG people...whereas before she was too stubbornly independent...to a self-destructive end.Ana is naive yet she doesn't tend to trust people too rapidly,so Marija will likely be the only one she'll have with her on a consistent basis who can fill the role,IMO

gaviotabr
Sep 23rd, 2010, 07:35 PM
Maybe aye AM assuming too much,but part of it is based on observing recent events:For example,Ana obviously suffered from being overly stubborn for YEARS...and now she's finally come clean about that flaw instead of denying it.That's a big step in personal growth for someone who has used Denial as a crutch.Since I don't believe Ana's recent progress is mere coincidence,what's different about the Ana Equation that didn't exist before??The answer:Heinz and Mariya.

You make a reasonable point that Ana has known Marija for years,but the circumstances have changed,Izzy.NOW at least a part of Ana realizes that she needs counselling from a trustworthy,dependable voice;she understands that she's made some stupid mistakes and listened to the WRONG people...whereas before she was too stubbornly independent...to a self-destructive end.Ana is naive yet she doesn't tend to trust people too rapidly,so Marija will likely be the only one she'll have with her on a consistent basis who can fill the role,IMO

I think Ana has always said she was very stubborn. Anyway... I don't think there has been that much change so far, though there have been one or two encouraing signs during the summer.. it's still too early to tell though.

bruce goose
Sep 23rd, 2010, 08:33 PM
I think Ana has always said she was very stubborn. Anyway... I don't think there has been that much change so far, though there have been one or two encouraing signs during the summer.. it's still too early to tell though.From what I see,you're judging mostly by on-court results and,if you look at it THAT way...then,yeah,Ana hasn't made great progress.

However,I'm about 10 years older than you,and I've known some people who had the exact same personality problems that Ana has struggled with....Sometime these personal obstacles are NEVER overcome,but I've met a few folks who finally woke up from their slumber...and the recent Ana has reminded me strongly of those who got on the road to recovery...she's showing me the same precise signs I've seen in others who started getting their act together.Sometimes it seems that you view the Road to Maturity as a linear path...like a board game.If someone lands on Ana's piece,then she returns to the beginning at ground zero;it doesn't work that way.The journey is filled with ups and downs and the path often meanders a bit.Making a mistake doesn't automatically erase the lessons you've learned;Ana isn't instantly back in early 2010,with no hope for recovery,just cuz she has a relapse of her old crappy self.

The most important,encouraging sign should be this:Ana goes with what makes her feel comfortable,and it takes a LOT to get her to deviate from that.She even responds with hostility,sometimes,when anyone suggests that her Comfort Zone might be wrong....Well,right now,Ana feels VERY comfortable with Heinz and Mariya,and those are two voices who will always guide her with her best interests in mind.We're probably not gonna see the linear path to the Top 5 that you--and I--wish we could see...but,barring catastrophic injury,Ana's gonna make her way there

Cp6uja
Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:32 PM
BINGO! And nobody agreed with me :rolleyes:You don't get my point or don't want to listen. I just said MM isn't the solution. You can count Canberra as exception maybe but I can't think of any MM she played well in her career.
I don't expect her to win Tokyo, but she certainly gets more points in these than the MM tournaments.You are not alone about this, but fact is that majority here simple don't want to listen. Actually, it will be perfect case if Ana biggest problem for comeback is her schedule - but problem is much deeper, and playing small tournaments as proven good formula in comeback process never been serious option in Ana case, because that simple never worked for her like for other players :shrug:

Here is what I say 3 weeks ago right after hers USO R4 lose - I really have no expectations from Ana at MM Seoul, but I still hope for at least one decent result at Tokyo and/or Beijing:
...On paper, Ana best shot is winning MM Seoul title where playing only 2 players which ever before reach TOP15 (veterans Petrova and Date), but in reality I think her chances for some big result is better in Tokyo and Beijing where all (injury free) WTA TOP players will play! When Ana is not enough motivated anyone can beat her, but when she is highly motivated and focused - she has chance to beat anyone. That's why she won so far only one MM event in whole life (and that Canberra 2005 wins happen just when 17y old Ana switch ITF circuit with pro-tour, so she has all reasons to be high motivated). I don't see Ana to be "enough motivated" in Korea, but at premier-5 in Japan and premier mandatory in Beijing she can repeat Cincinnati/USO passion for tennis (and wins) once again, which means she can beat anybody and go deep into draw......I have no idea about reasons why always she has better chances to beat some TOP10/TOP20 player at some tier-I (or bigger) event, than #30-#40 level player at smaller events... but that is Ana...

BTW for all those who is interested and intrigued to see more facts and details about Ana Ivanovic traditionally pathetic MM results during whole career (no matter about shape) I open yesterday special thread:
The Lady and the mouse (Ana Ivanovic "size is matter" case) (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=18559115&postcount=1)

spiritedenergy
Sep 24th, 2010, 12:02 AM
hopefully she'll do better in Tokyo and Beijing... it's tough for her to adapt so quickly to new places i think...

gaviotabr
Sep 24th, 2010, 12:30 AM
You are not alone about this, but fact is that majority here simple don't want to listen. Actually, it will be perfect case if Ana biggest problem for comeback is her schedule - but problem is much deeper, and playing small tournaments as proven good formula in comeback process never been serious option in Ana case, because that simple never worked for her like for other players :shrug:

Here is what I say 3 weeks ago right after hers USO R4 lose - I really have no expectations from Ana at MM Seoul, but I still hope for at least one decent result at Tokyo and/or Beijing:


BTW for all those who is interested and intrigued to see more facts and details about Ana Ivanovic traditionally pathetic MM results during whole career (no matter about shape) I open yesterday special thread:
The Lady and the mouse (Ana Ivanovic "size is matter" case) (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=18559115&postcount=1)

You were right Cp6uja.. but the thing is.. Ana's inability to perform in these small tournament is actually a big problem.. one that might be more related to this whole 2 year slump then you think. If she had the ability to stand up for every match, no matter where or how or what, she most probably wouldn't be in this situation. So it's something she needs to realize and address. If she solves this problem, she might as well finally find the solution for the slump.

There were a lot of things.. bits and pieces here and there that could actually foresee this epic slump. The inability to perform at small tournaments.. crashing out in the first round after a title.. huge fluctuations in focus.. it all got overshadowed by big desire and dedication. Once that got down, once the intensity got down.. she just couldn't perform well at all.. hence the 2 year slump. She needs to learn mechanisms to which she can go back to so she can stand up for every single match. That will be a fundamental part of the recovery process.

gaviotabr
Sep 24th, 2010, 12:46 AM
Tokyo draw will be done in a little over 5 hours. We should start the prayer circle.. :sobbing:

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 24th, 2010, 12:51 AM
Liferaft in Tokyo. :cheer:

spiritedenergy
Sep 24th, 2010, 02:38 AM
You were right Cp6uja.. but the thing is.. Ana's inability to perform in these small tournament is actually a big problem.. one that might be more related to this whole 2 year slump then you think. If she had the ability to stand up for every match, no matter where or how or what, she most probably wouldn't be in this situation. So it's something she needs to realize and address. If she solves this problem, she might as well finally find the solution for the slump.

There were a lot of things.. bits and pieces here and there that could actually foresee this epic slump. The inability to perform at small tournaments.. crashing out in the first round after a title.. huge fluctuations in focus.. it all got overshadowed by big desire and dedication. Once that got down, once the intensity got down.. she just couldn't perform well at all.. hence the 2 year slump. She needs to learn mechanisms to which she can go back to so she can stand up for every single match. That will be a fundamental part of the recovery process.

yes i actually agree with you, all the seeds of her problems were there, but she had such a huge desire that she was able to overcome them (even though inconsistently)... I think what we see now is the real Ana, she needs to work on her mindset with a psychologist, she really needs that, hopefully she'll think about it at some point...

Tokyo draw will be done in a little over 5 hours. We should start the prayer circle.. :sobbing:

:lol:

doni1212
Sep 24th, 2010, 04:36 AM
:cheer: Thank god I missed this match!! :cheer:


:sobbing: Ana. WTF!?!?!?!? :o:o






:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Turnaround in Tokyo!!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Love it! :lol: