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baleineau
Oct 16th, 2002, 10:59 PM
Just reading this from the WTA website, it occurred to me that todays poor performance (i.e. blow-out) from Capriati against Conchita has prompted the WTA to write up the match in real damage-limitation-speak, totally to the discredit of veteran/ageing Conchita, rather protective of Capriati's comeback bubble. Sad to see the WTA becoming ever more corporate.

Anyone else get this feeling from reading the report?

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Zurich, Switzerland (Sports Network) - Defending champion Lindsay Davenport advanced, but top-seeded Jennifer Capriati was upset by Conchita Martinez Wednesday in second-round action at the $1.224 million Swisscom Challenge.

The second-seeded and former world No. 1 Davenport, seeking her fourth title here in six years, pasted diminutive Russian Tatiana Panova, 6-2, 6-2, while a hobbled former world No.1 Capriati was ousted by 47th-ranked Spaniard Conchita Martinez, 6-0, 6-3.

The Australian Open champion Capriati was slowed by a left ankle injury, which required treatment during the rather unceremonious match at Schluefweg Arena.
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The ankle injury occurred at 6-0 1-0, and Capriati moved better after it. Besides, several close replays showed nothing odd about her movement, so the seriousness of the injury is questionable. The WTA seem so pro-Capriati (perhaps American bias), but if certain other Americans had lost so poorly, i suspect they'd get different press coveragem even from WTA. :mad:

mboyle
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:02 PM
I think that is smart advertising. I mean even if it isn't the truth, it isn't really good for a CEO to say something like, "Hey everyone, come buy our 3rd best product. It absolutely sucks and is inreliable, but still, our company is the best". Thus you should bias your reports to say, "our product had a bad day but on average, it is better than the competition".

anton
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:05 PM
I agree. If it was Venus or Serena, the article would have said:

"Former Wimbledon Champion Conchita Martinez crushed Venus Williams, who has (insert negative phrase) in just 56 minutes."

wongqks
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by anton
I agree. If it was Venus or Serena, the article would have said:

"Former Wimbledon Champion Conchita Martinez crushed Venus Williams, who has (insert negative phrase) in just 56 minutes."

This is very untrue and everyone knows it.

baleineau
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:13 PM
No, it would have said "Venus, who pulled out of last week's tournament in ***, was outsmarted by the variety of 30-year old Spaniard Martinez, who is 19-21 in matches this year".

;)

WtaTour4Ever
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:16 PM
Sadly, it is very true.......In fact, to this day, many love to bring up the fact that Venus lost to Seles at the AO, while failing to mention that Venus wasn't 100 percent, but God forbid someone else has a flu, the sniffles, headcold or whatever, thats all you hear about.

---No offense Selesrules :-) Its just an example.

wongqks
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by WtaTour4Ever
Sadly, it is very true.......In fact, to this day, many love to bring up the fact that Venus lost to Seles at the AO, while failing to mention that Venus wasn't 100 percent, but God forbid someone else has a flu, the sniffles, headcold or whatever, thats all you hear about.

---No offense Selesrules :-) Its just an example.

Okay I buy that, but I still don't think why people (sometimes Williams fans, sometimes Williams hater has to bring up Serena and Venus in any chance possible

Also, I am particularly angry with you for one thing, not all Selestials are selesrules :fiery: :p

anton
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by wongqks


This is very untrue and everyone knows it.

No I dont think it is very untrue. When Venus lost to Maggy, she supposedly "crashed out." She lost in the 3rd set tiebreaker so the match could have went either way.

Venus Forever
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by anton
I agree. If it was Venus or Serena, the article would have said:

"Former Wimbledon Champion Conchita Martinez crushed Venus Williams, who has (insert negative phrase) in just 56 minutes."

I totally agree!!:(

Monica@53
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:32 PM
Actually from my point of view, I think the WTA discredits itself when it writes bogus stuff like that....... if they are trying to promote depth, then why not promote depth? Anyone in their right mind KNOWS that Capriati didn't lose because she was hobbled, given the circumstances it happened in.

disposablehero
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:42 PM
The Williams would get the same treatment as Capriati. Only not quite so over-the-top. And that's only because nobody else on either tour gets Capriati-level damage control.

harloo
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:45 PM
I really don't see what the conflict is. Everyone including die hard Cap fans knows that everytime Jen falls on her ass the excuses mount up from the tennis community. It's no secret that Jen is "America's Sweetheart". It truly is sad, but that's just the way it is.

joaco
Oct 16th, 2002, 11:53 PM
Why does EVERYTHING and all these threads have to be about the Williams sisters when it has NOTHING to do about them.
Then you call yourselves that you're not defensives.. well you've jumped alone and nobody has said anything. WTA reporters would never say something similar about the Williams sisters because they are a great contribution to their popularity and they sure don't 'hate' them for anything.

I believe the article about Jennier and Conchita was kind of unusual...kind of weird that something like that was written in the WTA page..

Joaco

darren cahill
Oct 17th, 2002, 12:17 AM
wow, so much in depth debate over a tennis match and an article written about it. Sure all of what has been said is true but big deal. Its weird to me how Jen pretty much said she got whupped in the 1st set and it had nothing to do with an injury. But i dont think its (the press release) that big a deal to get up in arms about it. If you like Conchita, just be happy she won and dont get too wound up over press stories and if you hate Jen, then just enjoy that she lost. It never mattered to me what was said as long as my fave won or the person i didnt like lost. the rest isnt really important

rated_next
Oct 17th, 2002, 12:18 AM
It is always American biased.

harloo
Oct 17th, 2002, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by rated_next
It is always American biased.

:rolleyes:

ptkten
Oct 17th, 2002, 12:32 AM
:rolleyes:

Always has to turn into American bashing

Dawn Marie
Oct 17th, 2002, 01:57 AM
I think people should regroup and rephrase. Not "America bias" but "WHITE America bias".

The American masses, darling little tennis bird is losing her wings, but the media would rather it look like instead of her ass getting waxed by Conchi that it was her little birdie feathers that made her hobble off the court.

If Venus lost like this it would have been a different story.

In the end nobody cares but the loser and the winner though.

In short the article should be something like this:

Capriati gets TROUNCED by the GREAT CONCHI!!

Conchi sliced and spinned her shots past the #3 ranked player in the world. In a marvelous fashion. Just like the Concho of old, she placed her shots well and deep to the baseline. She was able to move Jennifer around on the court with her well placed groundies. Conchi was able to thrawrt Jennifer by the middle of the second set, when Jennifer begin to rush her shots. Jennifer aimed aimlessly for the lines, but THE GREAT CONCHI was able to distract Jennifer(along with the camera's, crying babies,a live marching band,a dropped penny, flying dust,a fly, and a cell phone)by playing great finesse tennis.

With Conchi leading the 6/0 1/0 in the second set, Jennifer got tangled up and went down with an apparent tiwst to her ankle. She received treatment and went on to get 3 games before Conchi closed the match out.

Conchi will next play the talented Alex Stevenson or the talented Dokic.

disposablehero
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:10 AM
Dawn, other White, American players don't get that level of fluff either.

AmonRa777
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:14 AM
In the case of Capriati the American media and the WTA deserves to be bashed...i have never seen people work harder on protecting the image of a person of poor character since Allen Iverson led the Sixers to the NBA finals...the WTA should realize that Jennifer is not thier 3rd best product...its time to cut their losses

Give the attention and hype to more deserving players like MOMo and Daneilla....Jennifer has done nothing but embarrass herself and make a lot of media folks eat crow all year...all this talk about her challenging Venus and Serena is laughable...she is back to her pre-performance enhancer level of a perpetual early round flunky....thats why she has won only 14 tournaments in 14 years....

disposablehero
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:21 AM
The amazing part is that it has been exactly like this since she was a 13 year old amateur who hadn't played an event yet. It took her 12 years from then to win a Slam and the hype only slowed down a little when she was miles out of contention.

Crazy Canuck
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:42 AM
Thanks for the laugh everyone ;)

Rolling-Thunder
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:52 AM
The funny thing about Cap's bagel defeat is that MSNBC which like so many news programs say nothing about tennis had a caption at the bottom. It read:'J Capritati's end of the season slump continues with a 6-0 6-3 defeat at the Swisscom..." I was surprised to see the media take notice. This speaks volumes about her right now.

there is no denying the fact that since April 2001 she has won only one tournament, the AO, which is a great accomplishment. Yet still this is unheard of for a #1-#3 player. Moreover, she has won only four tournaments since January '01. The Slams and a another tournament. Those are great results but something is really glaring. I don't recall any top player and I do mean any player who has won Slams and yet can't win a lower tier one week tournament. Very, very strange!

AmonRa777
Oct 17th, 2002, 03:07 AM
Rolling Thunder: you are right of course..."year end slump" is an absolute joke..she has been in only one final since Jan...MoMo kicked her butt in Canada...But if HIngis can have a four year slump, why not a 2 year slump for Jennifer??? The media writes as if most tennis fans are idiots....after reading these internet boards for several years, i am convinced that they are correct...you could never sell this kind of garbage to basketball or football fans!!! You think the St Louis Rams fans want to read about their team being in a slump??? Losing 2 in a row is a slump but an 0-5 start is a catastrophy...

But somehow Capriati and Hingis fans keep buying this media hype that they will wake up one day and everything will be all right!!! IT DOESN'T EVEN PASS THE LAUGH TEST!!

WtaTour4Ever
Oct 17th, 2002, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by wongqks


Okay I buy that, but I still don't think why people (sometimes Williams fans, sometimes Williams hater has to bring up Serena and Venus in any chance possible

Also, I am particularly angry with you for one thing, not all Selestials are selesrules :fiery: :p


LOL Wongqks ..... I will change my statement to no offense Selestials. I just didn't want people to think I dislike Monica, b/c I don't. I mentioned selesrules b/c...well...!!!!

I think alot of Williams Fans are Defensive, myself included b/c it seems to me (this is my opinon not all WS) that no matter what....some people will not acknowledge(sp?) what they have achieved, and love to jump on them when they have a hiccup of any sort. Therefore, being defensive, we are always trying to prove our point, hence bringing up what we perceive to be inconsistent treatment of the WS vs. some other players. Its like they are held to a different standard.

Also, I think that you will find that the problem with the communication on this board is because of the extremists, and you have them on all sides from Williams, Seles, Capriati, Hingis and even Venus vs Serena. When the extremists start post on one end, it pisses everybody off on the other end including some of those in the middle which include fans of all.

Also note, that it is not always Williams fans that bring them up out of nowhere, there are some haterz out there that bring them up also. Even Capriati herself, when commenting on Martina Hingis, felt the need to bring them up , for no apparent reason. And the media, WS arent even playing but yet many of the articles are ...(Henin leads w/o WS in tourny) etc.


But anyway, I respect you opinion and even understand where you are coming from b/c of a certain poster on ESPN that brings up Martina Hingis WHENEVER possible.

jean_genie
Oct 17th, 2002, 03:33 AM
Well said, WtaTour4ever and Dawn Marie, LMAO!!!:wavey:

Dawn Marie
Oct 17th, 2002, 03:41 AM
Disposable I understand your point, but I am talking about the masses and the media. People like to jump on V@S but ignore this hobbled bird. Imho it has alot to do with the way many high powered Americans think. They would rather praise and support a dumb bagel girl like Jen Cap then a education well mannered person of a mutli cultural background. Some of it is about White and Minority, when it comes to tennis.

disposablehero
Oct 17th, 2002, 04:13 AM
Well Dawn, if you really wanted to break down Jen's media dominance, it's pretty easy to eliminate all the other contenders from the US.

Venus, Serena, Chanda: Black
Monica: Not Born American. Which, incidentally, is becoming more and more what NBA actually stands for.
Lindsay: Big, Non-Controversial, Late Bloomer

That leaves our darling little Jen-Jen. Funny, back in 1990, I bought in. When she won the 2001 AO, I was happy for her storybook ending. But eventually I figured it out. WTA can fool all the people some of the time, but only some of the people all the time.

KingA
Oct 17th, 2002, 04:29 AM
Good on U, WTA!! :angel:

Equinox
Oct 17th, 2002, 04:40 AM
pffffff How long will she stay in top 10?

Down you go Jen :rolleyes:

disposablehero
Oct 17th, 2002, 04:46 AM
Powerball, would you consider giving me 100 Million US Dollars? Or do I have to be an American citizen?

treufreund
Oct 17th, 2002, 06:09 AM
I see this has turned into another Jenn-bashing and Williams-pitying thread. :rolleyes:

CONCHITA :cool:

Williams Rulez
Oct 17th, 2002, 09:23 AM
:rolleyes:

lol, what a funny thread, and I kinda agree with dh and Dawn... :)

deydreemyn
Oct 17th, 2002, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by AmonRa777
Rolling Thunder: you are right of course..."year end slump" is an absolute joke..she has been in only one final since Jan...

Actually she has been in at least 2 finals since Jan which resulted in loses . She was in the State Farm Classic in Feb and the NASDAQ 100 in March.

veryborednow
Oct 17th, 2002, 01:06 PM
*choking on the irony of this thread*

MarcusRock
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:06 PM
I too noticed the language of the story when I read it this morning. Let's be honest. Jen got routed, spanked and every other exteme possible but the headline reads a kinder, gentler, "Martinez eliminates Capriati." If you read the article when talking about Davenport's victory over Tatiana Panova, it reads that she, "pasted diminutive Russian Tatiana Panova, 6-2, 6-2." Looking at the scores, Panova won more total games than Capriati did yet she got "pasted" and Capriati was simply "eliminated." If I was a Conchita Martinez fan, I'd be pissed.

Raisin
Oct 17th, 2002, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by MarcusRock
I too noticed the language of the story when I read it this morning. Let's be honest. Jen got routed, spanked and every other exteme possible but the headline reads a kinder, gentler, "Martinez eliminates Capriati." If you read the article when talking about Davenport's victory over Tatiana Panova, it reads that she, "pasted diminutive Russian Tatiana Panova, 6-2, 6-2." Looking at the scores, Panova won more total games than Capriati did yet she got "pasted" and Capriati was simply "eliminated." If I was a Conchita Martinez fan, I'd be pissed.

lol

Volcana
Oct 17th, 2002, 11:01 PM
It reads like they think Conchi is so bad, they have to make excuses for Jenn. She got bageled BEFORE She got hurt. It's a very poor piece of reporting.

¤CharlDa¤
Oct 17th, 2002, 11:55 PM
Do you know why every WS fans are on defensive???? It is becausew of the Capriati-Hingis fan who never stop saying that their favorite players are better but just not ready to play......Come on, stop always bashing the sisters and then you could be mad at people bashing Capriati....

moon
Oct 18th, 2002, 12:16 AM
I'm just glad Conchita won. :)
hope she beats Alex tomorrow too. :D

not surprised about the pro-Cap journalism at all. *rolls eyes*

o0O0o
Oct 18th, 2002, 12:20 AM
Shut up about black people, YOU MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK STUPID. The martyr image is old and tiresome, if anything the Williams sisters are treated with kiddie gloves because of their race.

Anyway, the reason it's not a big deal is becaus Capriati has been playing bad...VERY bad lately. The Williams sisters are dominating, so it would be a suprise if they lost by that score.

anton
Oct 18th, 2002, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by o0O0o
if anything the Williams sisters are treated with kiddie gloves because of their race.


Serena, Venus and richard were booed at Indian wells bc of Venus' injury. Even after Serena won the match, the crowd started booing loudly again for about 3 or 4 minutes.

Also who else did Irina Spirlea give a knee kick to at the US Open?:rolleyes:

o0O0o
Oct 18th, 2002, 12:50 AM
Haha, Spirlea was quite the character wasn't she? Imagine if SHE had called Venus a "big black turkey". :eek:

And for those confused about Indian Wells, Dementieva and some other tour player had said their matches were fixed, and the next day, after the crowd was seated and laid down the $$$ to see them, Venus withdrew. I'd have booed. Is booing outlawed in tennis? Maybe they should whistle next time.

GogoGirl
Oct 18th, 2002, 01:14 AM
Five zeros - did you have to go there? Who gives a rat's azz what Elena and others had to say about match fixing - really????????????????? No one - that matters anyway!

And if you would have booed at IW - it just would have shown how ignorant - prejudice and slow you are. The question seems to me to be - just why would you have booed? Do you have a good reason and justification for whatever would have prompted you to boo?

I usually like to stay out of flaming threads - but I can't stand folks that show their racism so blatantly. It is truly sickening.

But it is up to you if you choose to stew in such bitter juices. I hope you drown in them one day.

But know this - you hurt the Sisters and their family naught! You are invisible to them. You got that?

And please neva forget - that match fixing comment was a smokescreen put up by some folks in order to justify a way for them to show their true hearts and colors. Match fix that!

harloo
Oct 18th, 2002, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by o0O0o
Shut up about black people, YOU MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK STUPID. The martyr image is old and tiresome, if anything the Williams sisters are treated with kiddie gloves because of their race.



WTF are you talking about? I know you have some issues with race, but this statement proves that you are beyond ignorant.

disposablehero
Oct 18th, 2002, 01:39 AM
I don't recall any players at Key Biscayne accusing Monica of tanking, but the crowd that was loudly and visibly booing her didn't seem to be lacking in motivation anyhow.

anton
Oct 18th, 2002, 01:42 AM
I think it just hurt Serena's feelings. But the joke is on them bc she wont be playing there soon.

Crazy Canuck
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:27 AM
Shut up about black people, YOU MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK STUPID. The martyr image is old and tiresome

This is just SO politically incorrect, that I had to quote it again to convince myself that someone was actually ignorant enough to say it.

persond
Oct 18th, 2002, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by o0O0o
Shut up about black people, YOU MAKE YOURSELVES LOOK STUPID. The martyr image is old and tiresome, if anything the Williams sisters are treated with kiddie gloves because of their race.

Anyway, the reason it's not a big deal is becaus Capriati has been playing bad...VERY bad lately. The Williams sisters are dominating, so it would be a suprise if they lost by that score.

:) It is far better to be "thought" a fool, than to speak (type) and remove "all traces" of doubt!!!:angel: :angel:

baleineau
Oct 18th, 2002, 09:52 AM
at first I was thinking "how on earth did the thread I started on damage-limitation tactics by the ever corporate-minded WTA turned into a racism thread"? it just shows how deeply ingrained racist attitudes are in society, and how much more subtle the brand of post-Reagan White supremacy comes across.

I hope that the all-american apple pie Jen Cap is smacked off court in LA, simply to see the reaction of the WTA on their website...........

"Capriati was beaten 6-1 6-2 by Farina-Elia in her first round match on Tuesday. The Australian Open Champion had the upper hand in most of the rallies, but the ankle injury sustained in Zurich, ill-health in recent months, and problems with her eyesight under the glaring lights of the new arena, meant she couldn't give 100% in a match played "...........meanwhile "Venus struggled with her serve and made numerous unforced errors in her match with Hantuchova, but managed to escape eventually, overpowering her talented opponent 6-2 6-1", whilst in a later match Davenport annhilated Myskina 7-5 6-2 in their first round encounter".

anton
Oct 18th, 2002, 12:33 PM
right, even if Venus hits 20 dropshots and mixes it up, she is labeled as having "overpowered." Venus is not even hitting the ball as hard as she can these days. Serena is. Venus is mixing in spin and moving the ball around which is what Serena used to do.

Experimentee
Oct 18th, 2002, 01:15 PM
Its a fact that not all players get treated the same way by the media. The Williams sisters are almost always portrayed in a negative light, whether its because of race or not i dont know but that has been obvious in reading articles. Jen has always been getting articles like this despite her on court behavior being far worse than Venus or Serenas or anyone elses for that matter.

Serendy Willick
Oct 18th, 2002, 03:44 PM
I dont care what anyone says, If Vee and Rena or anyone else for that matter, had've shown their royal arses like Jennifer did at Fed Cup this year, it would have made the front page news along with comments from McEnroe and other hypocrites about how they dont respect their country and how they have never had any class and yada yada yada yada yada (BTW like McEnroe should be trying to tell anyone anything about class:rolleyes: ) The media will always have excuses for Jennifer even if someone beat her 6-0, 6-0 blasting absolute winners past her.