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slydevil6142
Oct 14th, 2002, 07:59 PM
ZURICH, Switzerland: The sun in Zurich beamed down and touched everything in its site except for current World No. 11 Martina Hingis. Instead for her, the "downward spiral" that has probably ended her career swallowed her up, not only taking Hingis herself, but one of the most elite and dedicated tennis players in history.
It is no wonder the former World No.1 has decided to take a break from tennis. The gods are no longer smiling upon her and after her last two tournaments, she knew it was time to give the game away, atleast for a little while anyway. However, not many people realise just what Hingis has thrown away, not just in this decision, but in her career throughout. So many opportunities have passed her by and they've gradually worn her away to nothing. Her tank is empty and there is nothing that can help her to fill it again. When she delivered the news that she may have played tennis for the final time, one could not help but frown upon the woman who promised so much, upon the woman who was supposed to be the greatest of them all...of the woman who was supposed to conquer the women's game and everything that came with it.

However, not everyone has frowned upon her. Fellow tennis stars, Jennifer Capriati and Monica Seles have both sympathised with the fading star, who has opted out of the tennis world for the time being. "Martina has always been a close friend of mine on the tour, and I have total faith in her." said Monica Seles when told of Hingis' decision to temporarily retire. "Whatever she decides, I'll be there to support her. Not the media, nor any of the fans know just what she has been through over the last two years. Her career has become plagued by ankle injuries and for someone with such talent this is an extremely sad situation. She has given the game so much and if there was anyone who had the game to beat the sisters, it was most definitely her." Hingis still to this day leads Venus in the head-to-head. However, she has not beaten either of the Williams girls since the Australian Open in 2001, when she typically came crashing down in the final of her most successful grand slam.

Jennifer Capriati backed Monica in saying that the ending of Hingis' career is a tragedy for women's tennis. "Martina had so much left in her, so much more she had to give the game. I really hope she gets the chance to return, like I did." Capriati questioned the media when asked about Hingis' situation. "If the fans and media gave her a break every once in a while, she may actually have found her confidence again. The expectations have been so high on her that perhaps this was the inevitable. Nobody knows how hard it is to live up to expectations, especially with the amount of top players on tour these days. Martina has been probably the best player I've had to play against. That's right, better than Venus or Serena when she's been in form."

Hingis has achieved so much already in her career but one cannot think of how much more she may have accomplished had her injury not haulted her career. Martina who was the youngest grand slam champion at the 1997 Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open has since won two more Australian Open titles, won 40 titles all together and has held the top ranking for over 200 weeks. She has given up her dream, her life and her career in an attempt to rediscover the passion and form she once had when she was just a young girl.

tennisimo
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:21 PM
I hope she will come back.....

and I'm glad she gets on well with the great Monica.....

Good luck Martina:)

Roseie
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:23 PM
Injury did not end Hingis career, Her career was over when she refused to inprove her serve. That was before her injury. She can still come back after she works on that serve. Everybody just eats up her serve now. I was really shocked at how she give away the Aus Open to Capriati. I think if she had won it, her confidence whould be better today.

King Lindsay
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:27 PM
Thank you, Captain Obvious.

ptkten
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:52 PM
Nice words from Monica and Jen

good luck in your comeback Martina!

Martian KC
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:52 PM
"If the fans and media gave her a break every once in a while, she may actually have found her confidence again.

Such wise words from Jenny.

AmonRa777
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:52 PM
Capriati is an idiot..she simply can't do an interview without some catty comment about the Sisters...It's great to praise HIngis, but do it without slighting others...her comments about HIngis being better than Venus and Serena is so pathetic, it doesn't even pass the laugh test..

Hellloooo my imbecilic Jen Jen, the Williams have destroyed your butt...while you have had great success vs HIngis...btw. Ms Capriati...How many times have you beaten Venus...the Sisters chased HIngis from the game...now you are not far behind her...the Sisters have raised the game to a level that HIngis at her best could never reach and niether can you Jen Jen...

Give HIngis her due, she had a wonderful career...but don't cheapen your sentiments for Martina by using them to take a shot at the Williams...Hey Jennifer, if you can't beat 'em, just insult them every chance you get...WHAT A CLASSLESS ATHLETE CRAPIATI HAS ALWAYS BEEN!!!!

Tratree
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this article smells a bit fishy? Can we please have a link to the original article? I'm not buying it.

blue249
Oct 14th, 2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by AmonRa777
Capriati is an idiot..she simply can't do an interview without some catty comment about the Sisters...It's great to praise HIngis, but do it without slighting others...her comments about HIngis being better than Venus and Serena is so pathetic, it doesn't even pass the laugh test..

Hellloooo my imbecilic Jen Jen, the Williams have destroyed your butt...while you have had great success vs HIngis...btw. Ms Capriati...How many times have you beaten Venus...the Sisters chased HIngis from the game...now you are not far behind her...the Sisters have raised the game to a level that HIngis at her best could never reach and niether can you Jen Jen...

Give HIngis her due, she had a wonderful career...but don't cheapen your sentiments for Martina by using them to take a shot at the Williams...Hey Jennifer, if you can't beat 'em, just insult them every chance you get...WHAT A CLASSLESS ATHLETE CRAPIATI HAS ALWAYS BEEN!!!!


*yawn*

Serendy Willick
Oct 14th, 2002, 09:05 PM
Once again, I dont know why Will fans are getting all mad about these player comments. What matters the most is the trophys that Vee and Rena keep on taking away from these players. They dont need any validation from anyone. Their work does the talking.

AmonRa777
Oct 14th, 2002, 09:05 PM
Trattree...thats why i slammed Jennifers reported comments....someone has to smoke out the idiots...why would Capriati's sentimental outpouring for HIngis involve comments undermining the Sisters...

Snuffkin...you are joking right...i have seen enough of the Sisters destroying Jennifer to realize that she has no clue as to what is required to beat them...she has lost 5 straight matches to Serena and has never beaten Venus..she is 0-4 versus the Goddess winning only one set in her career!!!! So how on earth could she be justified making those comments...all objective opinions have some logical criteria and non-objective opinions make the comments all the more foolish....like your post...i have beaten Venus the same number of times that Capriati has!!!!

Helen Lawson
Oct 14th, 2002, 09:12 PM
But have you held, what, 8 match points against Venus? Match points are not a win (Jen Cap knows that more than anyone, she has been both the victim and beneficiary of saved match points!), but she can obviously compete well with Venus, though she has come up winless. She is competent to speak about Venus' game versus other players. I did sense a bit of a dig against the sisters, though. She could have said Martina was the toughest and left it at that.

Is this article for real? I have never seen anyone in the press say Martina has "retired" even temporarily. She is only missing 3 tournaments and taking the rest of the year off. As far as I know, Monica is not playing anywhere, where are they getting comments from her? Does Monica give press quotes from home?

irma
Oct 14th, 2002, 09:12 PM
I agree with Tracy. This article looks weird!

veryborednow
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:03 PM
Smells of one of Tee Rexx's articles, to be honest his are written much better ;)

AmonRa, whatever. You don't play against them, you don't know them, you don't live on the tour, you don't have the pressure, you're not even close to these players. YOU. DON'T. KNOW.

Pureracket
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:09 PM
I would REALLY need a link to this article. I'm not sure that this article is a legitimate post. If not, the poster should be banned.

veryborednow
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:14 PM
well there' one way to check. Was it actually sunny in Zurich today? or is the article lying??

CC
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:18 PM
slydevil

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Sean
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:21 PM
Nice to hear players supporting each other.

Come back soon Martina! :kiss:

england_rules
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:22 PM
It's good that Monica and Jennifer are on her side and are very supportive!!!!

slydevil6142
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:24 PM
well i got this post from a friend who linked it to me so i will try and find the orginal hoever i believe it to be legit but if it turns out that it isnt then im sry

Pureracket
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:27 PM
Yeah. . . . .right.

lizchris
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:29 PM
I think this article is true becasue I saw this on another site and I don't think slydevil6142 posted it. If not, then we allw ere duped.

barmaid
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:42 PM
slydevil, Even your name smells of suspicion...where are your sources?.....what paper....or magazine was this story from.....newspaper?? Sorry I'm not "buying" one word till I see some proof of the article....is that too much to ask??


barmaid:wavey:

Flappie
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:45 PM
Well said Jenn and monica! :)

niratti
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:50 PM
Get well soon, Hingis, both mental and physical.

harloo
Oct 14th, 2002, 11:11 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if Jen did say that because with her scandalous history it's possible. However, I also would like to know the source of this story. If it proves to be true, there is no excuse for her comments.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 14th, 2002, 11:23 PM
I really hope Martina Comes Back in her best possible form

JonBcn
Oct 14th, 2002, 11:23 PM
If those quotes are true, then they're dreadfully cheesy. They sound like they got them from the inside of greeting cards.

baleineau
Oct 14th, 2002, 11:24 PM
Can't Jen just leave the sisters alone for once? especially as her own star has faded, it just is really sad to hear jen talk as though she's in the midst of a to-and-fro rivalry.

i was reading the first few lines of her comment on Hingis, thinking "hey, jen seems quite mature and sensitive", but then she goes on to make a subtle dig at V and S.

Shame on Jen. Hopefully Conchi can beat her in Zurich.

leslie
Oct 14th, 2002, 11:25 PM
AmonRa777,
like your post...i have beaten Venus the same number of times that Capriati has!!!!

I love that sentence. Jennifer is so obsess with the sisters that I have no words to describe the obsession. I think she obsess about the 24/7. What is her problem. Her hatred of them will never alow her to win against them. She is such a pathetic, envious individual .

england_rules
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:07 AM
I think Jennifer was just stating that she thought Hingis was a tougher opponent than the Williams sisters not insulting them so don't get so uptight!!!!!!!

o0O0o
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:18 AM
Considering the spelling and gramatical mistakes in the article, and considering that the quotes don't sound like spoken English, especially from "ya-know, like" Capriati, I doubt the legitimacy of this article. Nice words from them if this is not a fake, though.

CJ07
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:22 AM
Yeah like where and when would Monica had said this? She hasnt played any tournaments and her press conference about Anna happened before Hingis announced her hiatus....

Volcana
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:24 AM
Head to head record.

Jenn vs Martina 4 wins 5 losses
Jenn vs Venus 0 wins 4 losses

Maybe Jenn meant, 'best player who I can beat'.

Martian KC
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:47 AM
LMAO! I don't understand why willi fans are getting SOOO UPTIGHT about Jen saying Martina was better than them. BUT then again, I'm not surprised.

Volcana
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:53 AM
KC - You're right. We should let Jenn say whatever she wants until she proves she can beat someone named Williams. She used to have this ability. She seems to have misplaced it.

Martian KC
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:03 AM
Well, it is her opinion. Anyways, we'll still speculating if this is a legit article. You guys are sooo quick to tear down, Jen.:o

magassi
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:10 AM
I smell a rat... since when are Monica and Martina "close friends"? The grammar doesn't even sound like Jenn: "That's right. Better than Venus and Serena..." We need a source...

JennyS
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:15 AM
I haven't seen this article anywhere. I don't think Jen's comments, if they were her comments, were intended as digs at Venus and Serena. I read them as a big compliment about Martina. If she finds parts of Martina's game to be more challenging than the Williams sisters', then there's nothing wrong with admiting it.

Equinox
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:16 AM
JEN IS A HATER :rolleyes:

jojoseph
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:38 AM
can somebody, anybody, please explain in detail, how Jen's "supposed" comments are a shot at the Williams in this instance?

Please be as detailed as possible, 'cause I don't appear to be seeing it, myself.

thanx

Rocketta
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:53 AM
If this article is to be believed, which I don't, the point is these are quotes about Martina not about Venus and Serena. Jenn can say I think Martina was my toughest opponent or the best without ever bringing anyone else in to it. There would be no reason for her to even utter the names of two players that she doesn't like just to compliment one that she does. Why people don't get that is beyond me. But neither is here nor there because I don't think this is a legit article. :)

Alan
Oct 15th, 2002, 02:00 AM
SIGHH! Hingis can still come back, we know it!

jojoseph
Oct 15th, 2002, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by Rocketta
If this article is to be believed, which I don't, the point is these are quotes about Martina not about Venus and Serena. Jenn can say I think Martina was my toughest opponent or the best without ever bringing anyone else in to it. There would be no reason for her to even utter the names of two players that she doesn't like just to compliment one that she does. Why people don't get that is beyond me. But neither is here nor there because I don't think this is a legit article. :)

the Williams are, without a doubt, the two best players out there. Jen knows that. Hell, the whole world knows that.

However, her comments according to this article, of course assuming this article is correct, which it may or may not be, were Martina has been probably the best player I've had to play against. That's right, better than Venus or Serena when she's been in form".

In actuality, it appears she's not only saying that Martina is the best player she's ever had to play against, which is a compliment to Martina of course, she's comparing Martina to, who are now, the two best out there. What in the world is wrong with that?

The key to her words are "probably" and "when she's in form". When she says "probably", she's not saying it's a fact, which means that she's not exactly trying to say "bar none", which could mean she's taking a shot at the Williams by ruling them out totally.

And when saying "when she's in form", she's saying that Martina, at her very best, is the best player she's ever had to play against, which you could very well make a strong case for, considering Martina's previous success against Venus and when she was unstoppable, generally speaking.

Even if you argue to death whether or not Martina is the best player she's ever played against, her comments are not exactly critical of the sisters.

If there ever was a time not to criticize Jen for her comments, this was probably it.

CJ07
Oct 15th, 2002, 02:31 AM
I smell a rat... since when are Monica and Martina "close friends"?

No they are, they've known each other since Martina was like 12 or something

AmonRa777
Oct 15th, 2002, 03:10 AM
You people are unbelievable...THERE WAS NO REASON FOR JENNIFER TO MENTION THE SISTERS IN THIS CONTEXT!!!..this is a bogus article, posted by a HIngis fan to toss her a little glory she couldn't earn on the court...THERE IS NO WAY ANY SANE PERSON CAN BELIEVE THAT HINGIS OF '97 COULD BEAT VENUS OF '01 OR SERENA OF '02...Martina would get humiliated just like she has been for the past four years

treufreund
Oct 15th, 2002, 03:33 AM
Hell hath no fury like a Williamses' fan upstaged. Jenn was just saying that Martina is the toughest when she is in form and that's the truth. Davenport has also made similar comments about Martina when she's playing her best. It's not enough that Martina is having a tough time but you people are INTENT on trying to downplay Martina's great talents.

Also it's hillarious how all these upset fans feel safe in going after Jenn but Monica also supposedly mentions the Williams sisters. But obviously you are not gonna go after cuz you know you will get shot down. Sad. You should not be attacking either one of them and who knows if this is even a true article???

Dawn Marie
Oct 15th, 2002, 03:50 AM
I think the article is bogus and Hingis and Jen are losing.

FS
Oct 15th, 2002, 04:31 AM
Venus is also losing.:p

jojoseph
Oct 15th, 2002, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by AmonRa777
You people are unbelievable...THERE WAS NO REASON FOR JENNIFER TO MENTION THE SISTERS IN THIS CONTEXT!!!..this is a bogus article, posted by a HIngis fan to toss her a little glory she couldn't earn on the court...THERE IS NO WAY ANY SANE PERSON CAN BELIEVE THAT HINGIS OF '97 COULD BEAT VENUS OF '01 OR SERENA OF '02...Martina would get humiliated just like she has been for the past four years

For starters, I don't understand, are you saying the article's true or false?

If you're saying it's true, then how could a Hingis fan be making it up?
If you're saying it's false, then Jen herself didn't say it to begin with, right?
Which one is it?

As for the rest, it's your opinion that Martina would lose to Venus and Serena, even when Martina was in her prime, it's not necessarily the opinion of Jen, and surely, not necessarily the opinion of everyone else, including myself. A lot of people seem to forget only about a year and a half ago, when Martina was playing her best ever at a Slam, destroying Venus and beating Serena in an unforgetable match, only to lose to Jen, playing the best I have ever seen anyone play. Very interesting. Just my opinion.

As I pointed out, she didn't slander the sisters at all. If anything, anybody that is mad about the article, is just mad that she mentioned the sisters, which is just plain sad, at this point.

Like I said before, this is all conjecture, considering the article could, in fact, be bogus anyhow.

Raisin
Oct 15th, 2002, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by KC
Well, it is her opinion. Anyways, we'll still speculating if this is a legit article. You guys are sooo quick to tear down, Jen.:o

Like Jenn is so quick to tear down Venus and Serena;), that is if the article is true:o

what_about_me
Oct 15th, 2002, 09:44 AM
Why the hell are we taking about the William Sisters, this has nothing to do with them. This is about Hingis and the article which outlines Monica's and Jen's comments

Both Hingis and Monica have been the best at some point in their careers and they too raised the level of the womens game just like the two sisters, so no difference between any of them.

Just enjoy the sport and the many talentsout there.

gweeny
Oct 15th, 2002, 11:17 AM
Are we at this again? If this article is true, Jennifer is entitled to her opinions. However, I don't understand why she had to put the Williams sisters in her statement about Martina. I think she might be a little obsessed with the sis. ( she probably dreams about all the losses she has had against the sisters)

Anway, why get mad about her saying Martina is better than Venus and Serena. Martina Hingis was a great player and very skillful. She could have been better. But, at this rate again, she might not be winning more grandslams, but the horizon looks good for the Williams sisters.

Jennifer capriati only appears sour and somewhat pathetic by involving the Williams sisters in her comments. I hope the Williams fans also do not go her route.

I must say, I will miss Capriati when she retires, her commentary is so interesting.

Sam L
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:39 PM
The thing is Martina has to find her joy in the sport again, whether winning or losing. I haven't seen that bubbly youthful enthusiasm in her since like the 1997 Australian Open. Those were the carefree days for her where tennis was a joy for her. It's no longer, it's become a burden, and unless if she can regain that passion she won't be back.

Weevee
Oct 15th, 2002, 12:39 PM
Bad Grammar, bad spelling, flowery language. the writer, the editor and the publication look pretty bad.
Jennifer gets in enough trouble on her own without the help of irresponsible posters.

Rocketta
Oct 15th, 2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by jojoseph


the Williams are, without a doubt, the two best players out there. Jen knows that. Hell, the whole world knows that.

However, her comments according to this article, of course assuming this article is correct, which it may or may not be, were Martina has been probably the best player I've had to play against. That's right, better than Venus or Serena when she's been in form".



Yes but you glossed over the fact that Jenn could have complimented Martina without ever uttering the word Williams that's the point. That statement to me would be wonderful for Jenn and Martina if it was just "Martina has been probably the best player I've had to play against" without the next statement. The previous statement seems objective and inclusive (ie includes everyone Jenn has played against (graf, Seles, etc..)) but this statement "That's right, better than Venus or Serena when she's been in form" seems obsessive and ill placed in a compliment to a player that is having a hard time.

Its not about who is the best player or not, it is about the fact that Venus, Serena or any other player did not need to be brought up in that situation. There are enough things to compliment Martina about without having to waste your breath and talk about other players in that situation.

Of couse this article is bogus and these statements are not true and I am giving Jennifer more credit than to use Martina's unfortunate situation to obsess over the sisters. I'm just saying if this quote was said by Jennifer that is why a Williams sister fan would have a problem with it.

Aloysius
Oct 15th, 2002, 03:43 PM
If you think about it, what Jennifer allegedly says is quite true. Venus and Serena hit the ball more solidly. For Jen, the ball is coming at her the way she likes it - hard and fast. She hasn't beaten Venus and Serena because she doesn't vary her shots the way they do and can't get the ball past them. Against Martina, Jen doesn't know if she's going to get topspin, slice, underspin, flat or backspin. Martina doesn't always hit at the same pace in the one rally. Jennifer would have a much tougher time reading Martina's shots. She's beaten Martina more often because she has the power to put away Martina's shots when she sees an opening. Martina hasn't been able to respond to that so far. Whether the article is bogus or not, what was written is possibly a true reflection of what Jennifer is seeing out there on the court.

As for Monica being friends with Martina, and Jennifer being friends with Martina, that's quite true too. They have mutual respect for each other. Jennifer and Martina have trained together and live close to one another in Saddlebrook. Monica and Martina have each spoken affectionately of the other previously and have teamed up for doubles on a couple of occasions. Same with Jennifer, come to think of it.

All that said, it looks as though the article has gone through an interpreter of some sort, hence the strange way it's been written. The translation from German (or whatever language it may have been previously) to English can come out differently to what we'd normally expect.

TSequoia01
Oct 15th, 2002, 05:27 PM
I too read this article on another board. It did appear to me that Jen was obsessing with regards to the Sisters. If in fact this story is genuine. Kind of reminds me of Maggie's statements last week. People are entitled to their opinions but motives do become suspect especially in the light of history. But it means little in the face of real evidence. :cool:

Tratree
Oct 15th, 2002, 06:27 PM
Anyone can copy the story and post it on another board or this posting here could have been lifted from that board. I want to see a link to the SOURCE. Players don't go on and on for a paragraph to any kind of question like that. And Monica is definitely not holding press conferences in Sarasota, so again I say it's very suspicious for a fake article. Don't you think if Jen had supposedly said these comments they would have been picked up by AP or Reuters??

veryborednow
Oct 15th, 2002, 07:44 PM
As fake as the story of the 12 years old girl who beated Mcquillan 7/6 0/6 7/6
There was a story about a 12 year old who beat Mcquillan 7/6 0/6 7/6 ... huh! ;)

BCP
Oct 15th, 2002, 08:08 PM
I don't really post a lot anymore, but thought I would say the following:

1. I'm not a Martina fan....in fact she annoyed me for such a long time. However, I really miss the contribution she makes to the game. Even though there are a lot of people who find her game boring, my opinion for what it is worth is that she played the game beautifully. Sure she needs to make a lot of improvements in her game to become competitive again, but I believe that she is the best all courter out there.

2. Martina is only young. Even if she takes a sabbatical from the game, she has plenty of time to come back if she wants to.

3. whether the article is true or not, I think that it's a bit unfair for some williams fans to take their anger out on Martina, Jennifer, or Monica. No one denies that this is the Williams sister's time. Good on them. They deserve it. However, is it so wrong for fans of other players to root for their players. Also, do you think that Venus and Serena themselves would make the disgracefully ungracious remarks that you have. They have too much class for that! They don't need you to stick up for them by putting down other players. They are more than capable of sticking uo for themselves, and their racquest are doing all the talking that is needed.

4. Williams fans, though I know you are elated that at the great results for the sisters, but wasn't the sport more exciting when anyone of six players could win a GS. Oh how i miss those titanic battles between Martina and Venus............

tenn_ace
Oct 15th, 2002, 08:24 PM
some of the Williams fans are jealous bigots...

Martian KC
Oct 15th, 2002, 09:26 PM
Everyone is after the williams......yes yes yes................................

joaco
Oct 15th, 2002, 09:32 PM
excellent decision Martina! Keep on going, I kow you'll be back full tank!!!!!:bounce: :bounce: