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tennisIlove09
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:59 AM
The ATP and WTA play on four surfaces:

Hard Court--different types
Clay--different colors
Grass
Indoors

Australian is played on Rebound Ace, a hard court
Roland Garros is played on clay
Wimbledon is played on Grass
US Open is played on hard court

Shouldn't there be a Indoor Slam? Lindsay, Kim would be favorites, and we could get a non-Capriati, non-Williams winner:confused: :confused:

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:01 AM
i agree that we should have an indoor grand slam. it should fill the gap between the Australian open and the French open

Aerien
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:02 AM
Since "basically" there are two hardcourt grandslams, maybe make the US Open indoors.

Can't make AO indoors because that would eliminate the defining obstacle of AO: The Sun.

tennisIlove09
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:04 AM
my thoughts are:

Have the US Open indoors. They could move into the fall, October some time. They could they move Wimbledon more into the summer, thus allowing a longer grass court season!!! The grass court season is my favorite time of the year [I just LOVE grass tennis], and it's the shortest :sad:

BasicTennis
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:04 AM
AO isn't a hardcourt.

2284
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by Aerien
Since "basically" there are two hardcourt grandslams, maybe make the US Open indoors.

Can't make AO indoors because that would eliminate the defining obstacle of AO: The Sun.

I agree that the Aus. Open needs the sun...but instead of changing the US, why not just invent a 5th slam?

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:06 AM
just what i was thinking untitled2284. besides the Oz open is rebound ace not hardcourt!

Giuliano
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:07 AM
Errr I don't think there is an indoor place with enough courts to play such an event ;)...

Aerien
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:07 AM
BasicTennis, what is AO then?

I once read that it was made of some sort of rubber asphalt thing which really absorbed the heat from the sun.

I can't see the difference between the AO and US court.

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:08 AM
AO is REBOUND ACE!!!!!!

tennisIlove09
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:08 AM
Isn't Rebound ace a hardcourt? it's just more rubbery! but it is a hardcourt!

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:09 AM
But where? IMO the most capable of turning
its Tier I (or II) into a Slam will be Russia,
they have so many talented players to give WC to,
and there is no slam in Asia so Russia Open
can give more Asian players to participate too,
and about filling the gap b/w RO and AO,
i think Indian Wells and Miami
do a great job of that
and building an indoor court for a Grand Slam,
do you have any idea how much money it's gonna cost....
must be joking...:eek:

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:09 AM
yes it is classed as a hardcourt but it shouldn't be.

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:12 AM
it doesn't help me coz in Oz neither indian wells (which i wouldn't want to see anyway) or miami are on T.V. except for the semi's and final and that is only for indian wells not miami

gokimmie
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:12 AM
yes there should be!kim will win it of course:angel:

kournikovafan13
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:12 AM
Nah...I think indoor tournaments don't have the same atmosphere as the outdoor ones....I like it the way it is at the moment.

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:14 AM
it would also even out the rankings because most of the top girls aren't good at indoor at least not consistently and it will show the true rankings as indoor is one of the main surfaces in tennis and no one can get big points during the indoor season like with the other surfaces

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:16 AM
Well, Serena sucked on clay...
having one more Slam for her to sweep?
nah.....

Come-on-kim
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:53 AM
yes!!!! we need an indoor GS

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:56 AM
the indoor slam would replace the end of year champs
thats the only way possible

but one thing thats been overlooked
there isn't anywhere big enough to hold an indoor tournament like a slam other than Moscow which has 5 courts meaning 24 hour play.

you would need about 16-18 courts and there isn't anywhere this could be possible.

2ace2
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:57 AM
maybe we could send a petition to the wta?
than they can search for a solution if they want to...
:D

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:59 AM
great idea 2ace2

E. Blackadder
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by TheBoiledEgg
the indoor slam would replace the end of year champs
thats the only way possible

but one thing thats been overlooked
there isn't anywhere big enough to hold an indoor tournament like a slam other than Moscow which has 5 courts meaning 24 hour play.

you would need about 16-18 courts and there isn't anywhere this could be possible.


I think you have a point there TBE

tennisIlove09
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by TheBoiledEgg
the indoor slam would replace the end of year champs
thats the only way possible

but one thing thats been overlooked
there isn't anywhere big enough to hold an indoor tournament like a slam other than Moscow which has 5 courts meaning 24 hour play.

you would need about 16-18 courts and there isn't anywhere this could be possible.

What about the Olympia Halle? Where they played the Sanex Championships last year? I don't know how many courts are there.

tommyk75
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:08 AM
Indoor Slam? Sounds great in theory, but really really impractical and just about impossible. Like other people said, what place can host such a venue with 15-20 indoor courts? Who's going to raise the money? It's just all highly unlikely.

Besides, 5 Slams, that's just too many. The Tour Championships end the indoor season anyhow, so it's not like there's a huge void anyway. Personally, I'm not crazy about indoor events in general. There's usually only one court, the matches run way too long, it's claustrophobic, and the tournaments can't accomodate big draws; I say get rid of all the indoor tournaments and end the year almost right after the U.S. Open (maybe followed by outdoor events in Tokyo and then L.A. at the new multi-million dollar facility being built in Carson). And the indoor carpet surface is bad for the players' bodies, from what I've heard.

P.S. From what I've heard, Rebound Ace is a slow hardcourt. Maybe that's wrong, but that's what I've heard commentators say repeatedly.

2ace2
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:11 AM
They could do it at 2 places. One half of the draw at one place and the other half at another, not too far away. That's the first 2 days 32 matches a day (16 men, 16 women) With 8 courts, you can have 4 matches on each court. But the problem with that is the doubles, and the fact that you don't have such a slam atmosphere.

Williams Rulez
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:24 AM
No. The year end championships is already like an Indoor 'slam' in a sense.

Ted of Teds Tennis
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:01 PM
The women should have one of their own in Moscow to replace the year-end championships. IIRC, Moscow already has four courts and can have a 28-draw women's event *and* a 28(?)-draw men's event in the same week. Adding a second week and getting the women to 128 players would be doable, with the possible problem of practice facilities. After all the Paris Indoor event has proved you can do a 28-draw women's singles and 16-draw women's doubles in six days, which would leave eight days to get the first two rounds in.

Having a slam for both the men and women together indoors would be impossible, I fear.

Also, I think Key Biscayne should go to green clay (as should IW!) and we can have an entire green clay season with a 128-player Key Biscayne being the equivalent of a Slam.

This is all wishful thinking, of course. But that's what these bulletin boards are for.

croat123
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:15 PM
Actually, the tennis courts at the Olympic Stadium in Moscow only take up about 1/4 of the total space in the stadium. They could remodel the stadium ($$ :eek:) just like they do in Zurich (there the stadium is actually made for hockey). Then they would have about 15 courts (if they made the show courts grand-slam sized). Just a thought.

BTW, I am all for an indoor grand slam at the end of the year.

carot
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:24 PM
They can always change the size of the courts to something smaller too.

And let the players play at one side of the net and replace that net by some kind of wall.

And...oh wait, i'm reinventing squash :p

TS
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:25 PM
An Indoor slam would be a logistical nightmare....basically think of all the other slams, and how big the land is, and how many spectators attend...and put that under a big roof. lol, somehow I dont think so ;)

In theory its a nice idea, but this would never work. You need an atmosphere, and room for a vast array of spectators. Ive seen 'outside' courts at Indoor venus (lol, somethings not right with that phrasing) and there isnt a lot of room at all.

carot
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:27 PM
they can't even get roofs on wimbledon or us open so don't even ask for an indoor slam.

Bright Red
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:28 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but Serena would probably win the indoor slam, too. Just look at last year in LA. Without any preparation whatsoever, she won the whole thing.

Nice try though.

Gowza
Oct 14th, 2002, 10:10 AM
Serena probably would win the indoor slam however her opponent in the final may be very different to the other slams b/c players like capriati, henin, mauresmo, venus, dokic and davenport have found it hard to compete at a high level at the indoor events, at least this year they have. the only one out of this group of players to make a final is lindsay which would be are on any other surface.

way
Oct 14th, 2002, 01:15 PM
Yes, there should.
In November, as last season event before a 2month break.
Fourth Slam.

dany.p
Oct 14th, 2002, 01:24 PM
5 slams in one year would be to mentally tiring for the players

angele87
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:03 PM
A indoor slam would be great ;) :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Sam L
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:12 PM
If any slam should go indoors it's the Australian Open. Aside from the fact that 2 of its major courts can already be "indoors", it's a good idea since heat exhaustions have happened to spectators.

Monica@53
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:14 PM
Great in theory but the year end championships act as the big indoor prize anyway, and IS the biggest prize after the Slams. I still like the idea of the Top 16 players vying for the fifth biggest prize in tennis and i think maybe it's profile needs to be raised a bit more to give it more credence - perhaps moving it away from Madison was a backward step in achieving this but we'll see how the LA tournie goes. And even better that it is played indoors because then it really does spread out the big tournaments surface-wise.

Rebound ace - it can be classified as hardcourt.... I think it is actually a hardcourt with a rubberised surface on top, so the underlayer is cement but the layer on top is rubber. I'd kind of like to see "Rubber (O)" on the ITF database though ;)

Rollo
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:15 PM
I fear it's also impractical. At this point all 4 slams are healthy and making tons of money. Besides, as an exclusive "club" they would kill any move to create a 5th slam.


Rebound ace may play differently than the US Open, but it's still a hard court by definition. Lets just say it's a variety of a hardcourt.

There are varieties of clay and grass courts too:)

Keith
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:16 PM
I don't think they can just create a new grand slam and expect the sell it upon the players and fans of tennis.

Sharapower
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:24 PM
The AO is partly (a very minor part indeed) indoor when it rains :D : the stadium court is then covered LMAO.

Sharapower
Oct 14th, 2002, 02:29 PM
By the way the most horrible Grand Slam is Wimbledon : the rain, the devastated grass after a few days of competition. I wouldn't be surprised if some day it's replaced by a "supreme" surface. (said Dementieva : "Grass is good for playing soccer..." ). And it's atypic today : there's not Tier I or ATP Masters Series on grass.

Pamela Shriver
Oct 14th, 2002, 04:36 PM
but if there was an indoor slam Giraffes like me would keep hitting their head on the roof!

Volcana
Oct 14th, 2002, 04:52 PM
There already is a 'fifth' slam. It's called the Toour Championships, and I think it IS played indoors. But rather than give Tier I+ points for it, what COULD be done is give double points for it, like they do for the Slams. In fairness to the rest of the tour, you'd have to expand the field, probably to 64, but certainly to 48.

But if winning the Tour Championships helped you out as much as winning OZ, more players would aim for it. The WTA minimizes the importance of the tour championships when they should maximize it.

JennyS
Oct 14th, 2002, 08:22 PM
I don't think there should be an indoor slam. I think it would put even more pressure on the players to play constantly. I personally think the indoor events are a waste of time and the season should end shortly after the US Open.