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fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:50 AM
Is there anyone who is a serve and volley type player on WTA?
Badanova is doing that a lot more often now,
but IMO, she doesnt have big enough serve to back it up,
and i dont really see her playing too much double,
or is she just not doing well in doubles?
Tauziat is a pretty good one, and no doubt Martina N too,
but nowadays, there is none...............
is there anyone else turning into one on WTA?


Who do you think will do a lot better if they turn
into serve and volley players?
Well, IMO, Stevenson has a big enough serve
and she kinda proved she could volley when she played
double w/ Serena, but her speed to the net? that is the question
2nd person is probably Anna K, superb volley,
inconistent ground strokes, and when she goes for the serve,
it's a better than some of the others on the tour (Demetieva etc.)
and 3rd person, i will have to say Hingis,
#1 in the world, perfect volley, if she becomes stronger during
her break and retools her serve while maintaining her speed,
maybe she can come back a serve and vollyer,
and last person will be Lucic, she is just inconsistent
on her groundstrokes, but her serve is pretty big,
since she is pretty strong too, maybe that kinda
game will be good for her?
Do you think turning into a serve and volleyer
can do well on WTA nowadays?

rhz
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:53 AM
when Kournikova is on she could do whatever she wants with the ball especially her net play is so smooth, that's why she was #1 in doubles, but it is rare to see an ON kournikova. but yes if she is more consistent, she would be a greta serve volleyer, or at least a great all court player!

Aerien
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:55 AM
Surprisingly enough, Daniela H. once listed her game as "serve and volley" but ,c'mon, she's more on dropshots and groundstrokes than serve and volley.

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:55 AM
excuse me but bovina, molik, bielik, serena all serve volley nowadays.

Hantuchova has the skill to do it

mauresmo is starting to serve volley as is henin when she gets the chance.

raymond serve volleys.

what are you talking about?

Aerien
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:58 AM
J. Cap serve and volleys really well too. She just doesen't come to the net often enough.

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:00 AM
if your gonna say that about j. cap then it can be said for dokic, clijsters, kournikova, dementieva, venus

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:01 AM
Sorry, i kinda forgot about Raymond....
but IMO, Bovina isnt really a "pure" serve and volleyer,
and i never really saw Molik's match before,
Now you mention Bielik, i kinda remembered her match in US,
big serve, but i didnt really see her volleying against Henin,

So i guess maybe becoming serve and vollyer is a good idea,
rather than exchanging ground strokes with the
big big Williams, maybe net play is a better way
to play against them then?

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:04 AM
no bielik didn't serve volley that much in the henin match but she did in her other two.

as for bovina, she has the groundies good as well so why not use them. she has an all-court game and thats what a player needs these days. besides her goal in the US Open was to serve volley a lot more and look where it got her, to the quarter-finals.

so i agree that it is the way to go against the big girls

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:21 AM
one strange phenomenom,
serve and volleyers should do well on Wimbledon,
but Tauziat, as a serve and volleyers,
got to the final of RO on clay,
which is the worst possible surface for them.
But in Wimbledon, the Williams seem to completely
abondon net play and just use their
powerful and i mean POWERFUL ground strokes
to slash their opponenets.....
i dont know, i just hope someone can find their
weakness, and hopefully serve and volley is the way
to take Williams off from their reign.....

tennisIlove09
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:25 AM
Who said Serena is a serve/volleyer? That's the biggest joke I've ever heard! Capriati? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Um, no.

No current top player actually does it on a regular basis, other than Lisa Raymond, and surprisingly enough Amelie Mauresmo as of late.

Sure other players throw it in, but consistently, those two.

Daja Bedanova was doing it, but I haven't seen her play in awhile--and her game seems to change with the season.

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:26 AM
i think the weakness for the williams sisters is to play an all court game. if a player keeps doing the same thing then venus and serena get use to it and get better at destroying it. i think if a player can mix up bigs serves where they have to strectch, moving them around the court, big groundies and serve and volleying then a player can beat them as long as the player does not stick with one of these things for a big amount of time. this way venus and serena can't get a rhythem or into there groove

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:27 AM
serena was doing it a lot when she beat myskina at that indoor final

tennisIlove09
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Gowza
serena was doing it a lot when she beat myskina at that indoor final

Perhaps, but one match doesn't make her a serve/volleyer. If she does it every match, I'll change my mind ;)

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:31 AM
i was merely stating that she could be starting to play more of an all-court game

E. Blackadder
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:33 AM
Els Callens and Lisa Raymond like to mix it up with serve and volley regular.

Sometimes Mauresmo does it too

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:36 AM
see my point callens gave serena a pretty tough time at wimby this year. i think the score was 7-6 7-6 serena

Chance
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:39 AM
I would like to see more players play Serve and Volley- but a lot of player's passing shots are too good

Messenger
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by fhkung
one strange phenomenom,
serve and volleyers should do well on Wimbledon,
but Tauziat, as a serve and volleyers,
got to the final of RO on clay,
which is the worst possible surface for them.
But in Wimbledon, the Williams seem to completely
abondon net play and just use their
powerful and i mean POWERFUL ground strokes
to slash their opponenets.....
i dont know, i just hope someone can find their
weakness, and hopefully serve and volley is the way
to take Williams off from their reign.....

Actually, Tauziat never defied the laws of serve and volley! She reached the final of Wimbledon but could only reach the Quarter Finals at RG.
http://photos.wtastarz.com/data/518/1ntaupic8.jpg
The life of a serve and volleyer is never easy...

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:07 AM
sorry, my wrong:cool:
but seeing Serena blowing opponents away
with her groundstoke, it just makes me wonder,
no doubt her groundies are used best in US,
that's why US Open belongs to the Williams for 4 yrs
if they can kill their opponents with ground strokes
even on grass and clay, it's just plain scary
i just dont know how Williams can be beaten,
you have to have a lot of variety like Martinez?
so you've gotta serve and volley extremely well on grass
and then try to run down just about every shot Williams
give you, then make the best shots possible on rebound ace,
and outhit the Williams indoor or on hardcourt to
consistently beat them..........it's just impossible to do so,
hopefully there is gonna be a pure serve and volleyer
like Tauziat to beat Williams on grass consistenly,
and shot maker like Hingis or Rubin to beat them on hardcourt,
then a runner like Clijster or Aranx to outrun Williams
and then a big hitter maybe like Davenport to outhit them
and they have to be really good at that,
then we have to wait for Williams to be old for them
to get out of their reign in WTA

Chance
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:14 AM
LOL @ fhkung's desperation

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:22 AM
yup, u can say that........
coz i cant stand any Williams Final ANYMORE..............

TatiAnnahølic
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:17 AM
Kournikova,Mauresmo,Bielik...

Frau Antje
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:51 AM
Miriam Oremans was a very good serve and volley player

mom3
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:16 AM
Amélie will be in a few months the great server, and volley player e were looking for:hearts:
she has taste and hability to be:lick:

tommyk75
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:59 AM
I haven't seen any pure serve-and-volleyers in a long while. By a pure serve-and-volleyer, I mean someone who comes in behind a majority (more than 50%) of their first serves. There are players who come to the net on occasion (Mauresmo, Bedanova, Raymond, Hingis, Henin), but none of them compare to players like Navratilova, Mandlikova, Shriver, McNeil, and Novotna, who came in just about every chance they had.

It's too bad; I miss seeing the variety of different styles. That's why I think the level of tennis for women is the highest at Wimbledon. The women know they have to attack on grass, and when they do, they produce very exciting tennis (Mauresmo was amazing against Capriati).

Messenger
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:01 PM
Well I think that serve and volley isn't a bad technique to consider. Tauziat has beaten both Serena and Venus, yes they both weren't at their peak at the time but neither was Tauziat she was an "old granny" - and power-wise they always could blow her away yet she still beat them.

Tauziat was your typical baseliner until she made the decision to change, and that was late in her career. So I guess it wouldn't be out of the question for someone to change their game to serve and volley, if they have the potential to do it well.

gossipcom
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:55 PM
I was reading an article the other day where someone said Davenport should come to the net more often because she's one of the few players who can serve and volley <g>

Of course if you've got your serve going it might help the situation ;)

mboyle
Oct 13th, 2002, 01:56 PM
Mirjana's volleys are terrible. Her groundies are very good usually I think, so she should not serve and volley.

Mateo Mathieu
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:18 PM
Rachel McQuillan is a serve volleyer :p

fhkung
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by mboyle
Mirjana's volleys are terrible. Her groundies are very good usually I think, so she should not serve and volley.
Well, she did win the slam double w/ Martina didnt she?
but if she is more consistent on her groundies,
i think she has the ability to trade strokes w/ the Williams
and there arent too many who can do so.......
IMO, other than the Williams, and Davenport,
the person most capable of doing that is probably
Hantuchova and Clijster and probably Momo..........
but Hantuchova only took 4 games from Serena in US Open,
so i guess we have to wait for the next generation then....
maybe Casanova and Safina can become the next big hitter,
and overtakes Serena, or Sharapova and other Russian girls,
but i hope in the next wave of young players,
there will be a couple of serve and volleyers.....