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TeeRexx
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:03 AM
After Daniela Hantuchova beat Martina Hingis at Indian Wells, she was immediately hyped as the Second Coming of the WTA tour and a sure WILLIAMS stopper, but the momentum stopped and so far she has only seemed to want to go after Anna K's title as the the tours most photographed player.

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A win here could begin to show that Dani is more serious about tennis than riding nude on some lucky horse. :)

However, if you want to make money, bet on Clijsters in the finals.

wongqks
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:05 AM
Give her a break , she has a great year this year, this is her breakthroguh year, wait for her to develope.

TeeRexx
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:12 AM
"Great" year?

Tier titles = 1
GS titles = 0

A good year in comparison to all players ranked below the top 30, but hardly a great year.

For a better definition of a great year please refer to the top two ranked players on the tour. :)

CJ07
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:14 AM
It depends on the draw.

If she gets, Venus, Serena, Jennifer, Monica, Amelie, Clijsters etc. then shes out of luck

but if she plays Dokic or Henin then she has a chance

Jakeev
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:34 AM
Yeah i think you are being rather flippant as usual TeeRex. Daniela in my opinion is still a player on the rise.

I could care less what you think she should have done after Indian Wells. She has still worked hard this year despite the various losses she accumulated.

And she has never thought of herself as the Second Coming or a threat to the WIlliams sisters. That is something you came up with all by your wee little self.

Talking about media hype.

Then again that is what I like about Daniela who reminds me a lot of Lindsay. Daniela might be more photographed but she is a gracious girl who does not trash talk but plays tennis.

SHe will be no "flash-in-the-pan."

wongqks
Oct 13th, 2002, 01:16 AM
no she had a great year compare to HERSELF damnit.

This is her breakthrough year, what did she do in 2001? Nothign give her a break, you dun have to win 3 grand slams and 5 other titles, or reaching 3 slams final and winning most of the tourneys you enter to being said to be a good season

Freefall
Oct 13th, 2002, 01:48 AM
QUOTE: from TeeRex

"After Daniela Hantuchova beat Martina Hingis at Indian Wells, she was immediately hyped as the Second Coming of the WTA tour and a sure WILLIAMS stopper, but the momentum stopped and so far she has only seemed to want to go after Anna K's title as the the tours most photographed player.

A win here could begin to show that Dani is more serious about tennis than riding nude on some lucky horse.

However, if you want to make money, bet on Clijsters in the finals."


1st of all TeeRex, Daniela's GREAT Talent & Potential has been talked about for over two years now, by Intelligent & Knowledgeable people like Martina N. And Probably longer then that. Daniela's Fans have known she's #1 material for a long time. Like Martina H & Venus fans, when they were young, we could see how GREAT they are. (& I think Matina H & Venus are GREAT players too BTW.) The only people who suddenly started saying Dani is the "second coming of" what ever you're talking about after IW, are people who didn't know much about her before that.

2nd, Daniela is an EVERYONE stopper. She & her REAL fans don't care WHO is on the otherside of the net, we want her to stop them ALL. Purpasely targeting your own favorites, in your own post, just makes it look like you're trying to start another *TeeRex Pity Festival* & trying to draw all the fans of your faves & fans of who ever you're picking on this time, into an argument. :rolleyes:

3rd & the WORST thing, you just HAVE to make a totally snotty, mean statement about Daniela at the end of your post. Prolly, to make someone say a mean thing about your faves just because you said a mean thing about Dani, so you can start an argument.

Well that's just LOW!

And what's REALLY Sad or Silly, I can't decide, you got your facts TOTALLY WRONG!!

Not only in the 1st part but in your snotty remark about the horse. THAT WAS MYSKINA on the horse!! NOT Dani! Dani was VERY clothed in her pictures & looked fine on her horse too.


SHEESH!


If you want to read about Daniela, I think Dawn Marie had a Very Knowledgeable post about Daniela the other day!

QUOTES: from Dawn Marie

"Dani is no fluke, but that doesn't mean that her TierI didn't open up in her favor by V@S withdrawing. It was Dani who did what she had to do to win, and you just don't beat Henin and Hingis and not be a fluke. Hingis was playing pretty well back then, and Daniela played solid tennis.

Dani will be a #1 ranked player. When people said Serena would never become #1 or win a title or be a ONE slam wonder I just laughed. I am laughing now concerning Dani and fluking


barmaid I disagree she outplayed Martina. Martina was stuck like "ChuckY" in that match. Hingis underestimated Daniela in that match, and Danieal played solid. She moved Hingis around and took advantage of Hingis going to the open court by hitting winners down the line. Daniela went in that match with a scout on Martina and she played fearless.

they also played again about a month after that with Hingis winning, but it was a VERY close match again. Which leads me to suggest that Daniela is no fluke. She has room to grow and she also has a heavy arsenal of shots and weapons, and will be #1 one day and will win a slam. I wouldn't be surprised if she won a slam before Jelena, Henin, or Kimmie. She's really that good, and will only get better IMHO."


I agree with what Dawn said & I think Daniela's going to get BETTER & BETTER as she keeps playing & learning! :)


PS: Sorry everyone if this post is late, I deleted it by mistake & had to write it twice & I hope I didn't mess up the quotes, I've never done that before.

PS#2: Sorry everyone for talking so much but I don't like it when someone is picking on Daniela! :o

Freefall
Oct 13th, 2002, 01:52 AM
BTW, in my last post, I meant to say MYSKINA "looked fine on her horse too" I forgot to type her name. :o

Daniela was NEVER on the horse. sorry for the typo :)

Gonzo Hates Me!
Oct 13th, 2002, 01:54 AM
She's had a great year because she's had terrific results and has done well at the Slams AND won Indian Wells IMO.

Anyway, I came here to be an annoying bitch and say: Daniela, "remain a flash" in the pan after tomorrow please!!

for Kimmy's benefit

Freefall
Oct 13th, 2002, 02:02 AM
LOL :)

I like Kim too Mrs_Guga... maybe one match won't hurt Dani.... nahh, I still want Dani to win!

GO DANI!! :)

Gonzo Hates Me!
Oct 13th, 2002, 02:05 AM
Yeah, I like Dani, I wouldn't mind if she won! LOL! HOWEVER, aw, Kimmy, I just love her so much. I'll be utterly heartbroken if she lost. But she has already achieved more than Dani, and on that note, that is why I would be more pleased if Mrs. LongLegs won.

kournikovafan13
Oct 13th, 2002, 02:05 AM
Teerex, ONCE again you display your non-existent knowledge of the game. Since when is rising from 38 to 9 in the rankings in 9 months not having a great year? :confused: Just because she hasn't had Serena's year doesn't mean its not great. :rolleyes: Perhaps you should stick to what you know best, and thats Venus and Serena, instead of embarrassing yourself like this. And when exactly did Dani ride naked on a horse? :rolleyes: I think you're mixing her up with someone else, who you probably don't even know the name of :o

btw, nice post Freefall :)

Freefall
Oct 13th, 2002, 02:13 AM
Thanks kournikovafan13 :)

I really had to give him a piece of my mind :mad:

Gonzo Hates Me!
Oct 13th, 2002, 02:16 AM
I also think a great year can simply encompass: rising out of anomity (sp?) ...that sounds intelligent when spelled right, yeah

CJ07
Oct 13th, 2002, 02:27 AM
The only players that were talked about as "the second coming" were Monica, Capriati, Venus Williams, Anna Kournikova and Martina Hingis. Hantuchova is not in their (well maybe annas) league. All of them had accomplished triple fold of what Hantuchova has done by 19. I'm not knocking Daniela, but unless she pulls a Navratilova, shes not going to #1

Ted of Teds Tennis
Oct 13th, 2002, 04:27 AM
MMcDonald:

With the exception of Kournikova, all the players you mention weren't under the WTA's age restrictions.

This, combined with the change to additive rankings, may have something to do with it taking longer for players to reach their full potential. Heck, Mauresmo's 23, IIRC, and has just reached a career high of #4, and has an excellent chance to get to #3 at the AO next year.

2284
Oct 13th, 2002, 04:52 AM
Daniela is a good player, but with Kim's current standard, I don't think Daniela is up to beating her...maybe 3 sets, depending on how quickly Kim warms up

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 04:53 AM
but kim has gone through two tough 3 set matches with davenport and mauresmo. she may be fatigued

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 04:56 AM
some players develop later than others mmcdonald, and also players with more variation also take longer to develop. this could be happening to Dani

l_hommeca
Oct 13th, 2002, 04:59 AM
Ah yes, the Audrey Hepburn of tennis...I will pull for zi bootiful, chaaming and tellinted Daniela


ALLEZ DANIELA!

2284
Oct 13th, 2002, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Gowza
but kim has gone through two tough 3 set matches with davenport and mauresmo. she may be fatigued

She said she was feeling pretty good after the match against Amelie and looked like she was just starting to get warmed up. The adrenaline will get her through

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 05:02 AM
Dani is gonna have adrenaline as well. and anyway i think she is playing to well, if kim is tired at all Dani will win

DeniseM
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:39 AM
Even if Hantchukova dpesn't win the final, her getting to the final is nothing to sneeze at.

2284
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:57 AM
yeah, I'm pretty sure that after this tournament, Kim's ranking will be #5 and Hantukova should rise too

Gowza
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:58 AM
i think after the semi-final results kim is already #5 and Dani is already #9

WtaTour4Ever
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:00 AM
I don't know who to cheer for, I like them both, I only wish that this tournament was televised!!

2284
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:03 AM
I like them both, but Kim more

Richie77
Oct 13th, 2002, 07:48 AM
Daniela has a great chance to win, and I think she'll be in the Top 10 for a while...and could also get to the Top 5, too.

TeeRexx
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:20 PM
Going from #38 to #9 is a very good achievement, but going from # 9 to #1 is what Hall of Famers are made.

Dani plays higher ranked players close, but does not seem to be able to beat them.
When that begins to happen and she gets in the top 5, then she will be the "Little Venus" champ that she was hyped to be not be just another model who can hit the ball.

irma
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:23 PM
for a model, hantu should choose a different outfit;)

l_hommeca
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:28 PM
What I like about her as a player is her work ethic and attitude. She definitely LOVES to practice. I know because of the 2 tourneys I have seen her in. She puts more hours on the practice court then anyone. Plus it's a joy to watch her. I think she may need to bulk up. She is only 19. I know Venus isn't big but look at her right..well I won't get into why that is. She defiinitely has game but maybe she needs more physical strength...more hutspa..more "teeth" you know what Im sayin

ALLEZ DANIELA

Bright Red
Oct 13th, 2002, 06:30 PM
I'm with those whom Dani has yet to convince of being the real deal. While I admit that she's a good player who is getting better, she's still far from being as great as folks would have us believe after she won IW. For example, I wouldn't consider her the favorite at IW next year if just about any of the remaining top 10 shows up. So I suppose IW was a fluke.

I do think that she has potential though, and I wish her well. Maybe she'll prove me wrong.

Tratree
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Going from #38 to #9 is a very good achievement, but going from # 9 to #1 is what Hall of Famers are made.

Dani plays higher ranked players close, but does not seem to be able to beat them.
When that begins to happen and she gets in the top 5, then she will be the "Little Venus" champ that she was hyped to be not be just another model who can hit the ball.

Geez, Tee, give the girl a little credit. She moved up to #9 this year and the season is still not over. No she's not #1 yet, but as I recollect, Venus and Serena (the ONLY measuring sticks you seem to allow) did not make #1 in their first full two years on the tour either. Daniela is Daniela...not "Little Vee" or anyone else. She has had a GREAT year by just about everyone else's standards, though not according to your limited view. Apparently if the player's last name isn't Williams, they are nothing. Wrong.

People develop at different rates. Daniela finished high school and then went on the tour full time. She wasn't out there at 15-16, so of course she's not going to have the experience Hingis, Venus or Serena had at her age.

Sure there was some hype after IW, but it was well-deserved and she has made steady progress since then. Let Daniela be herself and progress at the pace she is going to. She hasn't proclaimed herself anything except a player striving to be #1....she didn't put a time or place on it, but I for one think she will get there in due time.

TeeRexx
Oct 13th, 2002, 08:53 PM
Tratree - some good points. Maybe I am looking at it from symantis and the use or over use of the word "great".

I term great to be at the highest level.
SERENA'S year was great.
Hingis' in 1997 was great.
VENUS' year was very good.
Hantuchova had a good year for 2002.

No, Dani did not call herself the Second Coming or Little Vee, but the media certainly did and it was echoed by tennis fans.
Her expectations of greatness were made out to be better than the actual accomplishments of higher ranked players.

If Dani had a great year, then some other players must have had a STUPENDOUS year at that rate.
I don't think that word is appropriate so i will still say that the top players had a great year and Dani had a good year so far.
Habtuchova was good.

CJ07
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:24 PM
Mauresmo is NOT in any means in their league. Shes a great palyer yes, but not an all time great.

Thats all I'm saying, shes a good player, and I'm sure she'll have many success, heck if Dokic can get to #4, anyone can. I'm not saying that she wont make top 5, because she can probably sneak in there. All I'm saying is that she has yet to prove that shes anywhere near the level that people are claiming her to be, which is that 'all time great' status. And about the age rules, Venus started when she was 17 or so and even when she turned 18 she still didnt play the full schedule so you cant use that as an excuse.

Hantuchova will surely have a great career, but unless something changes in the next year or two, shes a tier 2 player.

CJ07
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:37 PM
Players Who Will Be Remembered/Top Tier Players
---------------------------------------------------------------
( just to rebuff my statement)
(if they retired tommorow)

1. Monica Seles- Tier I
2. Martina Hingis- Tier I
3. Venus Williams- Tier I
Serena Williams- Tier I
5. Lindsay Davenport- Tier II*
Jennifer Capriati- Tier II
7. Kim Clijsters- Tier III
8. Justine Henin- Tier III
Amelie Mauresmo- Tier III
10.Jelena Dokic- Tier III.5
11. Daniela Hantuchova Tier IV

*Lindsay and JCap are great, but they'd be remembered along the lines of the Sabatinis, the Austins, etc. not the all time greats.

Volcana
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:02 PM
Saying Daniela isn't an elite player yet isn't an insult, it's more keeping some perspective. How many people on this board know anything about Rosie Casals? Yet she was a top ten player for 10 consecutive years in the open era 1968 - 1977. History does not much kneel at the feet of top ten. It's honors are pretty much reserved for GS winners and #1's, the latter category bei9ng a good deal smaller.

That said, if Lil Vee can borrow a little of Big Vee's 1st serve and brain, she could win 3 GS titles in the next ten years. She's fast enough and hits hard enough. It's a question of how good a tennis player she can turn herself into.

the cat
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:04 PM
Tee, who in the media ever referred to Daniela Hantuchova as a Williams stopper? I don't think she will be as great as the Williams sisters. But I think Daniela will be better than rest. In fact, I guarantee it, Tee! ;)

But it will take Daniela a couple more years to fully develope her great all court potential.

wongqks
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:08 PM
Of coruse Daniela is not an elite player yet, umm.. she got another good 8-10 years ahead of her

TeeRexx
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:46 PM
8-10 years?
She has 3-4 to becom an elite player.
If she waits 8-10 years to make her move she will be retired by then.

Some people use the word "great" much to loosely.
Let us just let a player win 6-7 titles, with at least 1 GS final appearances in a year, before we call them great and make out their plaque for the Hall of Fame.
Shall we?

wongqks
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:52 PM
when I said 8-10 years I do mean daniela has 8-10 years for her career, not 8-10 years before she make a move, I think everyone would have worked that out apart from you

wongqks
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:54 PM
and stop picking on words

When someone said oh she had a great year, it always depend on who we are referring to.

Anna S has a great year, becuase she had her breakthrough winning 4 titles to date

or even further down the spectum, Bovina had a great eyar becuase she won her first title, reaching QF in US Open

We can't say venus had a good year, but to 99.99 percent of the playersif they can achieve what Venus does this eyar, they would have a great year.

TeeRexx
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:57 PM
quote:
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"she got another good 8-10 years ahead of her"
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I do have pretty good reading comprehension, but I will accept your explanation.

wongqks
Oct 13th, 2002, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
quote:
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"she got another good 8-10 years ahead of her"
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I do have pretty good reading comprehension, but I will accept your explanation.

urghh I am not gonna dwell on it, but I still couldn't work out what's wrong with what I said in comparison what you are trying imply on my post?

TeeRexx
Oct 14th, 2002, 12:33 AM
Ok, great, I give up to. :)

2284
Oct 14th, 2002, 12:45 AM
How many of you were lucky enough to see the match? No TV broadcast here...by the way, Kim won 3-6 6-3 6-4. There were quite a few service breaks in the match.

TeeRexx
Oct 15th, 2002, 06:55 AM
Anna k. cam up abot 40 spots, so I gueSs that she had a truly GREAT year as well. :) lol

BasicTennis
Oct 15th, 2002, 07:05 AM
Venus despite losing three (3) GS finals has a great year as well.:o

apoet29
Oct 15th, 2002, 11:14 PM
Dani suffers from the same problem as other "hyped" players: one big win or result that they have to measure up to. Some players deal well with the pressure (Hingis, Williams sisters, Davenport). Some players do not deal well with the pressure (Stevenson, Kournikova, Dementieva). Ever since Dani won Indian Wells, she has been expected to start winning multiple tournaments and grand slams. Given the depth of the current field of female tennis players, that is quite a tall order and I think an unfair expectation. Dani has played well this year and had proved that she has the game to play on all surfaces. Next year will be the key to prove whether or not Dani will raise her level. I think judgment should be reserved until then. Look at it this way, after losing her coach and her first round loss at the Chase Championships, did anyone expect Jennifer Capriati to win the Australian Open two months later? I certainly didn't. That win and many others like it demonstrate that tennis is not an easily predictable sport and for me, that is what makes this game so exciting.

In part, I would suggest to let go of the media hype and let Dani progress into the type of player she is capable of becoming. I have seen too many players' careers destroyed by media hype and fan expectation because both the media and the fans want the big victories and rarely allow a player to develop. Case in point, Kournikova's loss to Smashanova at Shanghai. In her post-match interview, Anna stated that she felt for fans who were rooting for her to win. While I still feel that tourney was Kournikova's best chance for a victory in a long time, I can imagine that the burden of expectations has become to much for her to carry. I would hate to see another player's career affected that way.

tennischick
Oct 15th, 2002, 11:31 PM
Jen won Australia bec Hingis choked. bad example. try another.

apoet29
Oct 16th, 2002, 12:01 AM
TC, I'm not talking about this year. I'm talking about JC's 01 win.

~ The Leopard ~
Oct 16th, 2002, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Anna k. cam up abot 40 spots, so I gueSs that she had a truly GREAT year as well. :) lol

Give it a break. :rolleyes:

If a new player went from about 75 to about 35 it would be a great year for her. You know damn well why it doesn't count as a great year for Anna, who was trying to get back to the level she had fallen from early in 2001. You also know damn well that any year that takes a player from an unnoticed level into the top 10 for the first time is a great year for her.

Sheesh.

Aaaaaanyway: GREAT YEAR DANI!!!!!! :kiss:

(BTW, knopfler and apoet , can I join in and make this a *group* hug?)

:angel: