View Full Version : I am not sure if Dementieva will get a title before Kournikova

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:12 PM
Three years ago I thought that Elena Denentieva would be a top five player with a few title wins and maybe even a GS title at Roland Garros, but she has not been the same player since her Olympic finals loss to VENUS in 2000.

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But now I am beginnig to wonder if Anna K. will end her career with more singles titles than Elena. It takes heart to be a champion and Elena may have to go on the Yellow Brick road with Dorothy to see the Wizard and see if she can get the same gift as the Tin Man to help her get a title or two in the future.

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:26 PM
Anna has more potential than Elena infact Anna made finals in 3 tier I (Hilton,Miami,Moscow) and a tier IV (Shangai) and Elena only made final in a Tier I(Moscow) and 2 tier III(Acapulco, s'Hertogenbosch).

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:29 PM
The fact that she was Silver Medalist at Olympics means more than being beaten by Venus there, IMHO.

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:30 PM
Yep, Kfan, Anna, when she gets back on track, will still probably be the best Russian woman on the tour despite the hype that is now given a couple of other Russian players.

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:31 PM
:rolleyes: and :p

the others are not and won't be hype
they will kick major ass in years to come
Anna will or can join in the fun if she wants

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:34 PM
but with all these injuries is hard to return to the top :(

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:34 PM
I thought Anna's serve was bad, but check out Elena's. Against Dani today she must have made at least 15 double faults. :eek: Yeah I know, Anna made twice as many early in 1999 but she sorted it out. And quickly. Elena's serving problem has been like this for a long while, but its been really bad the past 2 months or so.

But she's still a really good player, as she showed this week. What she needs to do is what Anna did, which is get a new coach. Unless you're Martina Hingis, having your mother for your coach is a big no-no. ;)

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:34 PM
Seles - That match was one of the last competitive matches that she was involved in especially against one of the current top two players on the tour.

Well, based on your statement, I should also mention that VENUS acquired 2 Gold Medals in that Olympics as well. :p

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by TeeRexx
Seles - That match was one of the last competitive matches that she was involved in especially against one of the current top two players on the tour.

Well, she did beat Lindsay at the Chase in 2000. Unfortunately. :mad:

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:48 PM
Someday, Egg will just have to face the fact that Anna K. is the best babe currently playing that is from Mother Russia. :p :)

Oct 12th, 2002, 10:51 PM
You know its tough to tell. Elena has had so many good draws this year (she shouldve made the SF at the French, and had a chance to get to the QF of wimbledon) and has been up and down.

I think she just needs to do something about her serve, her coaching and her confidence.

Its interesting because for some reason all the russians have serious serve/coach/confidence issues

Tatiana Panova
Oct 12th, 2002, 11:03 PM
Marat Safin was once quoted as saying that Elena was a good player, but that Anna was more talented.

Not sure what exactly he was referring to.

Oct 12th, 2002, 11:06 PM
Marat did say this tatiana, he said that when elena is palying well, he said to the point that Anna is more talented but Elena worked harder to get to the top

Oct 12th, 2002, 11:09 PM
TP - Apparently he was referring to Anna's "talent" on the court.
I think. :p

auntie janie
Oct 12th, 2002, 11:46 PM
Neither Anna nor Elena D. is the best -- or even 2nd-best -- Russian player on Tour now. I am talking about the whole package; not just raw talent, but the abiliity to use the raw talent to win.

Elena D. can win a small tournament next year (but only if she enters one that Anna does not also enter). But Elena prefers to enter larger tournaments for the most part. And there are quite a few players who are better than she is these days, so she is not going to snag one of those.

But it is a bit unfair to compare the number of finals they have each appeared in and use that as a gauge. Anna has played in 30 - 40 more tournaments than Elena has. Elena turned pro much later, and right in the improved-Venus-Serena era.

Oct 12th, 2002, 11:55 PM
I agree with Janie. Anna and Elena are basically incomparible. Yes they have a couple of the same faults, but they're completely different people and have different styles.
BUT, Janie, Elena doesn't choose to enter the top tournaments. Octogon chooses what Elena will play. Elena doesn't have the 'standing' to tell them to piss off (Anna could say that if she wanted to because she's a much bigger star).
Elena plays where Octogon tell her to. That's why she plays on the American clay courts, even though EVERYONE knows she'll never win anything on that surface.

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:01 AM
Well it's a shame when the management companies and sponsors rule the players to the detriment of their careers. Look at the effect that little title in Poland had on Elena Bovina's career. That title also broke the 3-year Russian curse! :)

Oct 13th, 2002, 12:03 AM
Yeah, it's a shame. But marketing companies don't care if Elena or whoever never wins, because they can just wait for the next pretty Russian to roll off the production line.

auntie janie
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:07 AM
Well Elena has to find the drive to succeed within herself, despite obstacles. Let's see if she can do so.

Oct 13th, 2002, 12:12 AM
Elena doesn't 'seem' to have the drive, else she would've done the work needed already.
I hope she proves me wrong though.

Oct 13th, 2002, 12:16 AM
I like Elena. I think she is nearly as hot as anna, and her groundies are fine. Too flat (even moreso than Anna's:eek: ) but still hard and not way too many errors. Her serve is deplorable. It is fast enough, but she has no second serve as Eggy has pointed out numerous times. Anna does have more talent. Her backhand is a little better (though Elena's forehand is top five I think after Serena, Lindsay, Jennifer, and is tied with Venus'), her serve is better (only cause she doesn't double fault as much), and her volleys are infinitely better.

Oct 13th, 2002, 02:22 AM
Anna is so much more talented than Dementieva. Anna is more talented than ALOT OF TOP PLAYERS...She'll find it sooner or later...Marat was right, and he should know. He has probably hit wth both of them and he can be one to judge...PLUS Anna beat Elena earlier this year in straight sets when Anna was in REALLY bad form...

Oct 13th, 2002, 02:27 AM
they have about the same sort of talent its just that they have different games.

Elena is more one dimensional but is trying to fix that with doubles play. her serve is more reliable than anna's but still is very bad

Anna i don't think goes to the net as much as she should but she has the ability. her groundies are strong but she gets overpowered by the other players and her serve is unreliable.

it seems to me there is a trend with the russians.

they all get hype and start off really well but after a couple of years they are still the same player or in some cases worse

Oct 13th, 2002, 02:59 AM
They both have it, they just need to work on their heads

In terms of talent, I'd say that would go to Anna

Oct 13th, 2002, 03:34 AM
Anna to me is more talented - she has a lot more variety and can do more with the ball in my opinion. Her groundstrokes in my opinion are also a lot cleaner as Elena looks a bit rigid on all of her shots - Anna looks much more flexible. She has the talent and all the talk about her being up there with Hingis and the Williamses in the early days of their careers was all warranted in my opinion. She just has markedly underachieved and become a bit of a head case in the process. Hopefully Elena doesn't fall into the head case/confidence crisis pitfalls.

Oct 15th, 2002, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by TeeRexx

But now I am beginnig to wonder if Anna K. will end her career with more singles titles than Elena.

Well Kourn will win more doubles titles, but neither will ever win a singles title...

Oct 15th, 2002, 11:39 PM
IMO, Anna Kournikova has BECOME her title of "titleless". I believe that's the reason she lost to Smashnova a few weeks back. Anna should have won the match, having beaten Smashnova the last two times. But I think the pressure of winning a title entered her mind, and she failed. I don't know what it would take for Anna to get over that.

I remember 2000, at Kremlin Cup. Anna played so well against Hingis until 3-3 first set. Then, perhaps pressure, got to her, and Hingis steamrolled, 63 61.

Same thing happened at the Chase that year. She was playing Hingis; got up 54; then perhaps pressure, and Hingis won 76 62.

Dementieva doesn't seem to have the fight. I think she will win a title, she doesn't have that mental block that Kournikova has, but I question her desire at times.

the cat
Oct 15th, 2002, 11:54 PM
The problem for Dementieva now is that she is starting to feel the pressure of having never won a WTA title.

Kournikova has more natural talent than Dementieva. But Dementieva has the modern day long and strong physique that rules the WTA at the moment.

Udachi Elena and Anna! There is always hope next year.

Oct 16th, 2002, 12:19 AM
maybe they'll meet in a final so one of them will have to win a title!!!!!!!!!

Dawn Marie
Oct 16th, 2002, 02:12 AM
I like what Boiled Egg said. His post was flat out tellin it like it is. Right now neither player has a title, and either they can both fly with the rest of the babes or work it out. Cause many Russian girls are coming up. I don't think Anna is the best Russian player out there at the moment either. I like Myskina at right now.:)

Elena is just cursed at the moment as well, it seems every since her mouth opened about V@S her game has gone down down down. She is a one way player. hit hard harder and hadrest is her motto. no net game and no serve.

Oct 16th, 2002, 02:53 AM
'Talent' is a mis- and over- used word. I would rather ask, 'which player is likelier to return to the top ten. Given that neither of these players has the skills or weapons of any of the current top five, I'll instead compared them to the next. And what jumps out is, they all hit with LOADS of pace. So, right now, pace is what seems to make a top ten player. Norice that ranks #11, #12 and #13 are currently inhabited by players who DO NOT make their living with pace. #1 through #10?

With that in mind, Elena is likelier to make it back to the top ten, because she has a Nuclear Weapon. Anna does not. Neither of them has ever demostrated the brian power necessary to win the way Chanda or Martina does. Failing that, you gotta have power.

Oct 16th, 2002, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by england_rules
maybe they'll meet in a final so one of them will have to win a title!!!!!!!!!

I hear ya england_rules, but you know what? The match probably would end up in a tie. :o

Oct 16th, 2002, 08:47 AM
LMAO @ TSequoia :)

How true! :)

Oct 16th, 2002, 09:13 AM
Out of all players, I think Elena's performance has been the most disappointing. Sure she is consistent in remaining top 15, but when I first saw her play, I immediately pictured her top 5 potential. She has the game, but for some reason doesn't use her talent to its full ability. Just disappointing.

Oct 16th, 2002, 09:23 PM
i agree jeff....... when i first saw her play it was against martina at the 1999 AO in th 3rd round when elena was a qualifier. she lost 6-4 6-2 i think but she impressed me with her shots. then it was her breakthrough at the 2000 US open the olympics and her big win over lindsay at NY after saving matchpoints.
i too had the feeling that she was going to be top5 soon after.....sadly that never happened. :sad: