I remember not too long ago how everyone hailed Queen Hingis, Queen Jennifer and Queen Lindsay as the 3 MAIN players who would stop V@S. So is it fair to say that the joke is on them? Or is the punchline still "Somewhere Ouuuttt there? beneath a Pale moon sky"?
This is not dissin' Lindsay Or Jenn Or Hingis, but the lameo "Media" who didn't know what the hell they were talkin' about.
note: Lindsay has the game to beat Serena and Vee, but come on, the media was so overhyping these ladies.
Oct 12th, 2002, 03:28 AM
the media may have been over hyping these ladies but at the time hingis, jen and lindsay were the three best players behind the williams sisters.
Oct 12th, 2002, 03:40 AM
granted the media tends to over hype things but who else was suppose to beat them??? of course they had to put that duty on someone you cant honestly expect someone like anna k. to get crowned the william stopper
Ted of Teds Tennis
Oct 12th, 2002, 03:47 AM
Well, didn't Richard Williams say around the time of Key Biscayne in 2002 that Venus might have to retire because of her wrist injury? In hindsight, maybe we should laugh at him too.
And we can laugh at all of ourselves while we're at it, since Hurley was kind enough to bring back a year-old thread about which people in the Top 10 at the end of 2001 wouldn't be in the Top 10 at the end of 2002. I'll admit I picked Mauresmo to fall out of the Top 10!
Oct 12th, 2002, 04:05 AM
At the moment it's more likely that Kim, Justine or Amelie will beat them
Oct 12th, 2002, 04:10 AM
Kim and Justine are the likely top competators...Lindsey is simply too slow to beat them unless they play poorly...MoMo will not maintain her summer level, she never has...Amelie will be back in never-never land losing in early rounds...she and Dementieva are the biggest air-heads on tour
Oct 12th, 2002, 04:15 AM
Mauresmo and Elena are the biggest air-heads on tour? What do you mean by 'air-heads'? Because neither of them is stupid.
BTW, there could be a Mauresmo-Elena final in Filderstadt. I hope there is, with Elena winning her first title.
Oct 12th, 2002, 04:17 AM
Lindsay can hit hard enough to stay with them, but lacks in the movement area.
9. Anyone who can hit hard and is consistent
Oct 12th, 2002, 04:52 AM
The thing is it was never just those 3 that could win slams and beat them I always felt Justine, Kim and a Russian babe would be the one's. Now Momo is in contention imho. Lindsay and Jen and Hingis were not beating them BEFORE they were out.
I guess what I am saying is give some of these other players their due,and stop overhyping Lindsay, Hingis and Jennifer like they are the only women who stood that chance. LOL
Oct 12th, 2002, 04:58 AM
Take Henin and Dokic off my and Mmcdonald's list as IMHO I don't see them going deep into slams like I did last year.
Ted I didn't believe that crap that Richard stated I said that then too. Venus herself never stated that. Besides Richard is not the tennis media. Just a tennis dad who makes the media out as the clown idiot. I am so sure if Richard said that he was going to turn pro and start playing some ATP torneys that people wuld believe that.:)
Oct 12th, 2002, 10:43 AM
Are these list of people who will:
1. Beat a Williams once in a Tier event
2. Beat a Williams twice in a Tier event
3. Beat a Williams in a Grand Slam once
4. Beat a Williams twice in Grand Slams
5. Someone who will CONSISTENTLY beat the Williams all the time?
Option #1 may occur, but forget the other options for a couple of years. LOL
Possible candidates for those wins:
1. Maleeva - An annual occurance it seems.
2. Rubin - She did it once, she can do it again
3. Momo - May yet win at Roland Garros
I don't expect anything spectacular from either Clijsters or Henin as far anything greater tha a single win ove a Williams in a Tier event.
Oct 12th, 2002, 10:51 AM
clijsters, dokic and henin, seles, mauresmo, capriati, davenport have the best chance but only because they are the ones that face them more often than the rest of the tour.
i don't think henin or dokic can do it unless a williams is playing badly and that doesn't happen that often so they're out.
i think davenport, capriat, clijsters, seles and mauresmo have been the closet to beating them consistently this season.
and i think the girls that can rise up and challenge them are hantuchova, bovina, petrova, krasnoroutskaya and tulyaganova.
all in all think currently form-wise the only girls that have a chance against the williams sisters are davenport, hantuchova, bovina and clijsters
Oct 12th, 2002, 11:06 AM
only Lindsay can beat the williams.... but right now Lindsay is not at her 100% performance... she's still adjusting... give her more time...
Oct 12th, 2002, 11:13 AM
if we're talking who can beat them when each player is at their best then capriati and davenport are currently the only players that can beat the williams sisters when serena and venus are at their best. but in saying that davenport and jen would have to be at their very best as well and at the moment lindsay isn't 100% and capriati is in a slump
Oct 12th, 2002, 05:21 PM
Dawn, I would love to disagree with you on this subject. But I can't. You were right with your assesment of the media hyping certain contenders.
And what kind of year did Capriati have? If Hingis didn't give away the Australian Open title to Capriati, Jennifer would be taking major heat this year.
There are no real contenders for the Williams sisters. The gap between them and the rest of the field is greater than ever! :eek:
Oct 12th, 2002, 05:23 PM
but the gap has increased because players like capriati, davenport and hingis are not playing their best. at least when they're around they aren't
Oct 12th, 2002, 05:46 PM
Jen was overhyped to beat Serena, because she did beat Rena 4 times straight and it was really because Serena was choking to be realistic.
Hingis and Lindsay has always been hyped when it comes to beating the sisters. It was apparent that Serena has always owned Davenport in their H2H's. However, Venus when she first started out she had the tendency to lose to Big Lindsay quite often until she changed into the player she is today. Hingis on the other hand was always hyped because she was the villian of sorts.
I think the only ones who can challenge Venus is Kim, and Amelie.
But I will say that both of these ladies are not stable enough to compete consistently with Venus just yet. I see Kim as the main player who can give Venus trouble if she is slightly off.
For Serena, I think a player like Els Callens or Chanda can give her trouble. It has to be someone who can mix it up very well, it is most likely Serena will still win but it's a chance that she can lose too if she is not executing well. A power player most of the time will not give Serena very much trouble IMO.
Oct 12th, 2002, 06:18 PM
Hi cat and grrrrrrrrrrr because their is nothing better that a good little debate with you every now and then.:)
Oct 12th, 2002, 06:28 PM
While I do agree with you Dawn to an extent, as a journalist myself, you have to realize that many sports journalists know the least about women's tennis than practically any other sport. Journos have to fill pages and can create a story from nothing - when you are confronted with a some sort of a lead you just have to expand it, even if it some of it could be a serious stretch of the imagination. Journos are also very much in the moment and are more concerned sometimes with writing a good, juicy article than how it spans out long-term. They are just trying to do a job remember!
Oct 12th, 2002, 06:49 PM
I am not just refering to writers but the announcers as well.:)
Tatiana Panova I understand that, but it doesn't mean I can't call them on their bad journalism. Isn't it our right as a tennis fan to want at least half decent info that makes sense.
Besides I am not refering to only writers but announcers media people who know what in the world is going on on the tour.:)
Oct 12th, 2002, 07:32 PM
Hi Double D! :wavey: What's the grrrrrrrrrrrr for? I like to debate you sometimes, Dawn. But it's nice to be on your side from time to time, too! :kiss:
P.S. - Dawn, in case you're wondering, Double D stands for Dangerous Dawn and Delightful Dawn! :kiss: Because you can be dangerous and delightful in your always opinionated and strong willed posts! :eek: :angel: And I admit, I like to beat...er...I mean compete with you in debates! ;)
Oct 12th, 2002, 08:02 PM
Ha ha , and I thought you were refering to Double D as someting else entirely!:D:)
Same here cat same here:)
Oct 12th, 2002, 08:48 PM
Dawn, I was proofreading my reply when I realized what I had said about calling you Double D. I realized that could have another meaning! :hearts: And come to think of it, you did tell me about your um...er...physique at one point. Maybe it was subliminal thinking on my part! But I'm glad you realize I didn't mean that, and I'm still in good standing with you as a gentleman! :angel:
Dawn, did you ever get the email I sent you about a week ago? I do have your correct address so you should have received it.
And who will be the players next year that the media chooses to challenge the Williams sisters? The media is running out of choices! LOL! I can only think of one player the media will hype next year. I think the media will push the very talented Daniela Hantuchova as a threat to the Williams sisters. Daniela actually has the serve and the ground strokes to be competitive with the Williams sisters.
Gonzo Hates Me!
Oct 12th, 2002, 10:08 PM
Has Jennifer still not won a title this year?!
Oct 12th, 2002, 10:51 PM
Oh I agree Dawn - everyone should be held accountable in their jobs if they make a glaring error.
Oct 12th, 2002, 10:53 PM
:rolleyes: how weird, Dawn Marie....
it's like they haven't fulfilled their game completely (except Jennifer) so the media was making such a big deal because they wanted someone to beat V & S.... they have made an ass of themselves...
Oct 13th, 2002, 12:07 AM
dawn a lot of the media is biased against the Williams sisters and hope they lose. just like people dont like tiger woods. they should get over it.
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:14 PM
No matter what the media says about the Williams sisters, they seeme unfazed by it all. And that's a credit to them and their family.
P.S. - Dawn, you have only 2 more posts until you reach 4000. Congrats on 4000 posts! :D :bounce: :kiss:
Ted of Teds Tennis
Oct 13th, 2002, 03:51 PM
Capriati won some lousy little title called the Australian Open back in January, saving four match points against Hingis in the final. :D
Oct 13th, 2002, 04:22 PM
Ted of Teds Tennis - Are you telling me you never laughed at Richard before this? The guy's obviously a brilliant tennis mind, but he's also a bit of a loon. Remember Venus answer to what would happen if Richard caught Serena's stalker?
"Probably take him out to dinner."
The measure of Richard Williams is that its imposible to tell how much Venus was kidding.
Oct 13th, 2002, 09:39 PM
Volcana, having dinner with Richard Williams would be great! :D I wouldn't even mind him saying I told you so! :eek: Afterall, he was right.
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:44 PM
Richard Williams is kinda off the rocker, but he knows a thing or two about tennis
Oct 13th, 2002, 10:47 PM
richard williams likes to play the fool, but in the end he always wins;)
Feb 1st, 2003, 06:26 AM
Media still looking silly to me.:)
Feb 1st, 2003, 06:43 AM
I think the reason Martina, Jenn and Lindsay were so hyped is because they were the previous three world #1's before the Williams sisters, and all had held that ranking within 8 months of Serena taking the crown for the first time. Aside from Monica they were, and still remain, the only non-williams players who can be classified as "champions" on the WTA tour. It is far easier to pin your hopes of an end to such suffocating domination on three proven champions rather than on a few kids with stars in their eyes.
Btw, this sort of rhetoric is almost always evident during a period of domination. During Hingis' astonishing 1997 campaign, the media were looking everywhere for a worther rival for the seemingly unstoppable world #1. They turned to Majoli after her French Open Victory, they hoped Seles would get back in shape and back to her best (which was a reasonable demand at the time considering she had only been back on tour for less than 2 years), they hyped Venus Williams (OK this one proved right, but not for 2-3 years) and yes they even hyped Kournikova :eek:. This is not a media flaw that has only been present in the Williams era.
Feb 1st, 2003, 07:01 AM
What I'm laughing at is all of YOU, Williams fans included, who bought into Capriati being "far above the #4" as recently as US Open, and "still 3rd best in the world" as recently as Tour Championships for some and even Australian Open for others.