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SvetaPleaseWin.
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:15 AM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

Vanity Bonfire
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:17 AM
Duh.

Lachy
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:21 AM
Thanks for that :weirdo:

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:25 AM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

I'm totally with you until that last sentence. While I would rate Maria's chances at winning Wimbledon at no more than 2% i would still say that is around three times the chances I'd give Sveta who I would give a less than 1% chance too.

Caralenko
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:25 AM
Oh come on :weirdo: Even I have my hating limits.

Also, Medina Garrigues was #56 I thought.

narutos
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Of course she is not gonna win she'd be lucky to reach rd3:lol:

kiwialicat
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Well, if you were being fair you would've realised that she managed to win those titles, coming back from a long injury lay off and terrible form.

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

No, she's a damn good player and a proven winner.


I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

:lol: Sveta? Who suck on grass, and sucks generally at the moment? who hasn't managed to go deep in a tournament all year? versus someone who won two and reached a finals on grass recently? Right.

No she probably won't win. But we didn't need you to tell us that.

Imperfect Angel
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:32 AM
Thanks for jinxing Sveta.:worship:

Who knew Francesca could even win Roland Garros this year?:shrug:

I think Maria will rise to the occasion when she needs to.;)

steffiandbibi
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:34 AM
is this an anti-jinx thread?

rockstar
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:47 AM
i had no idea she had such a pathetic record against top players this year :eek:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:04 AM
She Will Win Mark My Words:devil:

madmax
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:59 AM
Yup, she's such a horrible player, Wimby is reserved for such GrassGoats as Pushniacki and Lady Jaja...:bigcry:

Jaffas85
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:00 AM
If she serves and receives well and has a decent draw then she could make it as far as the quarters and possibly even the semis (going to the semis would be possible, not probable, as long as she has a good draw enabling her to avoid players like Serena, Venus, Justine and Kim until at least the semis).

Not serving well and meeting up against a Williams sister by the 4th round will see her out in the first week.

~MashyOwnThemAll
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:02 AM
Of course she is not gonna win she'd be lucky to reach rd3:lol:

Of course Maria, you can't do it! :rolleyes:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:24 AM
If she serves and receives well and has a decent draw then she could make it as far as the quarters and possibly even the semis (going to the semis would be possible, not probable, as long as she has a good draw enabling her to avoid players like Serena, Venus, Justine and Kim until at least the semis).

Not serving well and meeting up against a Williams sister by the 4th round will see her out in the first week.

Who knows Maria served really well during the tournament in Birmingham except that one blip at the final when maybe her shoulder was a bit tired:angel:If Maria gets The Pushers in her side of the draw then she is able to reach the Semis When she will have to face a Williams then..But if she gets in the Williams Draw:help: then God help us another early exit:help::help:

bandabou
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:25 AM
Hmmm....Maria just isn't very good at the moment. Serve isn't what it used to be and then she's soo vulnerable...because people are gonna exploit her lack of movement.

narutos
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:38 AM
Of course Maria, you can't do it! :rolleyes:

Geez I'm a Sharapova fan if not the craziest one:lol: I'm just playing hater's game I'm not gonna argue with them so yeah Maria sucks.

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:39 AM
Thank you so much for the un-jinx thread. I was waiting for so long. :sobbing:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:42 AM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

Can you please tell me one tournament In hard just leave out the Clay tournaments that one of the top 10 has beaten a top player in route:confused::confused:I mean there are so few matches between top players now and Maria hasn't faced one in a while thats why she didn't manage to beat them:angel:Her only Challenges for her was against Henin on clay when she lost in three sets and after that she hasn't faced almost anything

WTAtennisfan15
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:51 AM
Masha is a big factor in Wimbly!
There is some space left in the top 3 of the rankings so, I believe that Masha will get back to top soon!

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:54 AM
Can you please tell me one tournament In hard just leave out the Clay tournaments that one of the top 10 has beaten a top player in route:confused::confused:I mean there are so few matches between top players now and Maria hasn't faced one in a while thats why she didn't manage to beat them:angel:Her only Challenges for her was against Henin on clay when she lost in three sets and after that she hasn't faced almost anything

Sharapova has played 4 matches this year against players ranked in the top 40. She has lost them all. What's not to get?

~MashyOwnThemAll
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:58 AM
Geez I'm a Sharapova fan if not the craziest one:lol: I'm just playing hater's game I'm not gonna argue with them so yeah Maria sucks.

...but Maria is really sucks :eek: since injury. The Old Masha will can beat. the New Masha 6:0 6:0 :rolleyes:

Her injury has killed her (Old Maria)

Thank you so much for the un-jinx thread. I was waiting for so long. :sobbing:

B-)

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:02 AM
Sharapova has played 4 matches this year against players ranked in the top 40. She has lost them all. What's not to get?


Yeah but its different motivation of play for Maria if she faced perhaps Serena or Venus in a tournament than ZHENG or LI or Any player:angel:

Caralenko
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Yeah but its different motivation of play for Maria if she faced perhaps Serena or Venus in a tournament than ZHENG or LI or Any player:angel:

But she has to beat Top 40 players to set up those matches :lol: And she can't do that at the moment.

~MashyOwnThemAll
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:06 AM
Sharapova has played 4 matches this year against players ranked in the top 40. She has lost them all. What's not to get?

:yeah:

and do not dare to play against them! (TOP30).... :help:

Jajaloo
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:09 AM
She's not a grand slam contender anymore. She's there to make up the numbers IMO.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:12 AM
But she has to beat Top 40 players to set up those matches :lol: And she can't do that at the moment.

I'm so tired to go through Maria's season again but With the injuries and things she did a good job till here!and she can still Improve thats for sure:cool:I said all I had to say about facing top players when Maria faces a Serena or Venus and looses badly Then I will be worried for her cause I know she is nowhere her form but when Maria looses to other girls when the motivation isn't as big as Facing a Williams sister than IMO I don't give a shit for it cause I know when Maria is on She will destroy all the bitches on her way:worship::devil:

Shepster
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:13 AM
Can you please tell me one tournament In hard just leave out the Clay tournaments that one of the top 10 has beaten a top player in route:confused::confused:
Elena beat Schiavone, Hantuchova, #2 Safina, #7 Azarenka and #1 Serena to win Sydney :tape:

tennisforadults
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:14 AM
I'm totally with you until that last sentence. While I would rate Maria's chances at winning Wimbledon at no more than 2% i would still say that is around three times the chances I'd give Sveta who I would give a less than 1% chance too.

Agreed. Sveta has really no chance compared to Sharapova, who at least has had good form.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:14 AM
She's not a grand slam contender anymore. She's there to make up the numbers IMO.

Your opinion anyway but I don't think its the right one;)

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Elena beat Schiavone, Hantuchova, #2 Safina, #7 Azarenka and #1 Serena to win Sydney :tape:


Thats still ONE any others!!:confused::confused:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Elena beat Schiavone, Hantuchova, #2 Safina, #7 Azarenka and #1 Serena to win Sydney :tape:


And Please don't count the Chockers A.K.A Safina or neither the Pushers I mean either Serena or Venus cause they are the real deal at the moment

Jajaloo
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Can you please tell me one tournament In hard just leave out the Clay tournaments that one of the top 10 has beaten a top player in route:confused::confused:

Jankovic - 2009 Western & Southern Financial Group Women's Open

def #9 Azarenka
def #4 Dementieva
def #1 Safina


Jankovic - 2010 BNP Paribas Open

def #8 Stosur
def #2 Wozniacki
def #17 Pe'er

Rankings don't discriminate if you're a pusher or a choker. A top 20 or top 10 win, is a top 20 or 10 win. Maria hasn't had any this year.

tennisforadults
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:18 AM
^ You're asking for trouble. Anna_K can come up with any statistics and you won't win. :lol:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:20 AM
Jankovic - 2009 Western & Southern Financial Group Women's Open

def #9 Azarenka
def #4 Dementieva
def #1 Safina


Jankovic - 2010 BNP Paribas Open

def #8 Stosur
def #2 Wozniacki
def #17 Pe'er

As for 2010 I know you didn't read my post:lol::lol:

And a told the other user earlier don't count the Pushers or the Chocker Pleasee and I don't see as how peer is a top player!!
Well I guess When Maria beat Stosur 6-1,6-0 in Tokyo last year nobody counted that one but now Stosur as a Slam Finalist everyone are counting their victories over her :lol::lol::lol:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:23 AM
^ You're asking for trouble. Anna_K can come up with any statistics and you won't win. :lol:

Wow really Does she even make up statistics just to win:lol::lol:

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:25 AM
As for 2010 I know you didn't read my post:lol::lol:

And a told the other user earlier don't count the Pushers or the Chocker Pleasee and I don't see as how peer is a top player!!
Well I guess When Maria beat Stosur 6-1,6-0 in Tokyo last year nobody counted that one but now Stosur as a Slam Finalist everyone are counting their victories over her :lol::lol::lol:

You are embarrassing the entire fanbase. :o

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:27 AM
You are embarrassing the entire fanbase. :o

BIG DEAL:yawn::yawn:

tennisforadults
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:28 AM
Wow really Does she even make up statistics just to win:lol::lol:

Statistics aside, if Sharapova has lost all 4 of her meetings with top 40 players this season, it's perfectly legitimate to question her chances at Wimbledon. :bigwave:

Your logic of insisting that she somehow is going to win just because she runs into the Williams doesn't really stand.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Statistics aside, if Sharapova has lost all 4 of her meetings with top 40 players this season, it's perfectly legitimate to question her chances at Wimbledon. :bigwave:

Your logic of insisting that she somehow is going to win just because she runs into the Williams doesn't really stand.

No everyone has its own Opinion I just believe to much in Maria and I think she can do it thats all about it:):):):)

Caralenko
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:30 AM
You are embarrassing the entire fanbase. :o

BIG DEAL:yawn::yawn:

:sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing: It really is like sweet cleo #2.

Shepster
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:31 AM
And Please don't count the Chockers A.K.A Safina or neither the Pushers I mean either Serena or Venus cause they are the real deal at the moment
LMAO so now it only matters if you beat Serena or Venus. Venus played Azarenka, ranked one place below her, in the Dubai final, another match between top-10ers. She's not a pusher so I guess you'll call her a choker :lol:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:33 AM
LMAO so now it only matters if you beat Serena or Venus. Venus played Azarenka, ranked one place below her, in the Dubai final, another match between top-10ers. She's not a pusher so I guess you'll call her a choker :lol:


All I'm trying to say to the fans of the Pushniackis and Pushjakonvic don't badmouth Maria on not winning against a top 50 player in a long time cause When Maria gets the chance to play them a lot she is able to beat them

debby
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:36 AM
:sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing: It really is like sweet cleo #2.

She is SweetCleo.

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:42 AM
She is SweetCleo.

It can't be because SweetCleo is.. :secret:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:44 AM
She is SweetCleo.

It can't be because SweetCleo is.. :secret:


OMG nooo I'm not sweet cleo:haha::haha:

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:51 AM
OMG nooo I'm not sweet cleo:haha::haha:

That's what I just said. :o

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:54 AM
That's what I just said. :o


Ok mrs Perfect got it:haha::haha::bolt:

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:55 AM
All I'm trying to say to the fans of the Pushniackis and Pushjakonvic don't badmouth Maria on not winning against a top 50 player in a long time cause When Maria gets the chance to play them a lot she is able to beat them

I certainly don't want to bad mouth Maria. Unlike you I don't coin immature nicknames for other players either. Actually I have a lot of respect for Sharapova. She has worked very hard to recover form a career threatening shoulder injury and has got herself back to a level where she is able to very consistently beat sub top 50 players too. And at times last year she even did better than that and had a couple of extremely good tournaments in Tokyo and Toronto. She also has a very admirable and realistic attitude to her chosen profession.

All I have said is that she has not displayed the kind of form this year that suggests to me that she is likely to go deep into a Grand Slam. It does say a lot in this game who you beat and who you lose to. And right now Sharapova is very consistent against lower ranked players. That is good. But when she comes up against better players, at the moment she is not up to it. Perhaps in six months, a year or two years she will be up to beating higher ranked players but right now I'm just not convinced.

Furthermore, I know there are loyal Sharapova fans who agree with me and continue to support her but also have a much more realistic outlook on her current form. These are the fans who would be delighted to see her getting to the 4th round at Wimbledon and regard that as real progress for her. It is possible to be a fan but still be realistic about a players form. I just think that should Sharapova lose in the 3rd round at Wimbledon this year, as does seem a very real possibility, it is probably better if her fanbase are a bit more prepared for it than most appear to be right now.

debby
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Ok mrs Perfect got it:haha::haha::bolt:

:spit: :sobbing: I love trolls.

Corswandt
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:00 AM
Sharapova's movement and footwork hamper her ground game to an extent that she's barely playing top 30 tennis right now.

Her serve seems to be back (sort of), so now hopefully she'll be able to work on her movement and consistency. But unless she improves dramatically on that regard, she won't be contending for upper tier titles, let alone Slams, anytime soon. And if say by the end of the season things haven't improved, I fear that motivation may become an issue. If Sharapova soldiers on regardless due to pure love of the game of whatever, she's even more of a champion than I give her credit for.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:01 AM
I certainly don't want to bad mouth Maria. Unlike you I don't coin immature nicknames for other players either. Actually I have a lot of respect for Sharapova. She has worked very hard to recover form a career threatening shoulder injury and has got herself back to a level where she is able to very consistently beat sub top 50 players too. And at times last year she even did better than that and had a couple of extremely good tournaments in Tokyo and Toronto. She also has a very admirable and realistic attitude to her chosen profession.

All I have said is that she has not displayed the kind of form this year that suggests to me that she is likely to go deep into a Grand Slam. It does say a lot in this game who you beat and who you lose to. And right now Sharapova is very consistent against lower ranked players. That is good. But when she comes up against better players, at the moment she is not up to it. Perhaps in six months, a year or two years she will be up to beating higher ranked players but right now I'm just not convinced.

Furthermore, I know there are loyal Sharapova fans who agree with me and continue to support her but also have a much more realistic outlook on her current form. These are the fans who would be delighted to see her getting to the 4th round at Wimbledon and regard that as real progress for her. It is possible to be a fan but still be realistic about a players form. I just think that should Sharapova lose in the 3rd round at Wimbledon this year, as does seem a very real possibility, it is probably better if her fanbase are a bit more prepared for it than most appear to be right now.
I understand you And you have all the rights to think so But have to understand one thing too cause when you are a fan of somebody even if that person plays crap all the time all you think about is for her to win and All you wish is for her to win..About nicknaming players I think they should not be compared to maria Cause Maria has achieved much more in her carrier than they did and comparing them its just wrong and the nicknames are just for fun:devil::o..all I tried to say is that Serena and Venus are the real deal at the moment and beating them its so hard thats why I think If maria faced them It would be a whole new challenge for her right now:angel:

Ferg
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:03 AM
She never was! EVerytime she did well in an MM before a big tournament all her fans went mental and starting saying shes fav for the upcoming tournament, and all it takes is a solid player to beat her, whos actually in the top 40 or 50!

Shafanovic.
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:05 AM
She's not going to win Wimbledon is obvious. She sucks. :shrug:

she'll stick around the top 50 for the rest of the career though. Thanks to MM titles.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:06 AM
Her serve is fine when she is playing against players like Riske, then she isn't put under pressure at all. But when it comes to consistent returners like Na/Jie the pressure just gets to her and exposes how patchy and glitched her serve has become.
To compensate for that, its not like she is returning consistently either, its more miss and less hit.

Her movement is less agile now, maybe almost (not quite as slow yet) as bad as Davenport on grass and she is no where remotely close to Davenport's league when it comes to serving and returning to compensate for the poor movement.

She still has the champion's spirit though.

Jajaloo
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:08 AM
As for 2010 I know you didn't read my post:lol::lol:

And a told the other user earlier don't count the Pushers or the Chocker Pleasee and I don't see as how peer is a top player!!
Well I guess When Maria beat Stosur 6-1,6-0 in Tokyo last year nobody counted that one but now Stosur as a Slam Finalist everyone are counting their victories over her :lol::lol::lol:

You're a wank.

You obviously didnt realy my post:

"Rankings don't discriminate if you're a pusher or a choker. A top 20 or top 10 win, is a top 20 or 10 win. Maria hasn't had any this year."

I didn't say that she hasn't beaten a top 10 or top 20 player at the end of last year. I said this year. And I'm not saying JJ is a grand slam contender. But you're saying it's impossible to find times on hard courts where someone has won the title and beaten top 10 or top 20 players, and it's time for you to sit down. Why discount Safina, Wozniacki and Pe'er. WTA doesn't filter through win-loss by someone's game style or their form.

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:11 AM
Sharapova's movement and footwork hamper her ground game to an extent that she's barely playing top 30 tennis right now.

Her serve seems to be back (sort of), so now hopefully she'll be able to work on her movement and consistency. But unless she improves dramatically on that regard, she won't be contending for upper tier titles, let alone Slams, anytime soon. And if say by the end of the season things haven't improved, I fear that motivation may become an issue. If Sharapova soldiers on regardless due to pure love of the game of whatever, she's even more of a champion than I give her credit for.

Great post. Totally agree with all that but especially the highlighted bit. I have always had a real admiration for players that stick around even if they are past their best simply because they love the game and the competition. Being a champion is about more than just winning, it is about fighting against all the obstacles a players faces in their career and still giving it one's best afterwards come what may.

gc-spurs
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:11 AM
You're a wank.

You obviously didnt realy my post:

"Rankings don't discriminate if you're a pusher or a choker. A top 20 or top 10 win, is a top 20 or 10 win. Maria hasn't had any this year."

I didn't say that she hasn't beaten a top 10 or top 20 player at the end of last year. I said this year. And I'm not saying JJ is a grand slam contender. But you're saying it's impossible to find times on hard courts where someone has won the title and beaten top 10 or top 20 players, and it's time for you to sit down. Why discount Safina, Wozniacki and Pe'er. WTA doesn't filter through win-loss by someone's game style or their form.

Seriously, don't try.

narutos
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:16 AM
Her serve is fine when she is playing against players like riske, then she isn't put under pressure at all. But when it comes to consistent returners like Na/Jie the pressure just gets to her and exposes how patchy and glitched her serve has become.

To compensate for that, its not like she is returning consistently either, its more miss and less hit.
Her movement is less agile now, maybe almost (not quite as slow yet) as bad as Davenport on grass and she is no where remotely close to Davenport's league when it comes to Serving and returning to compensate for the poor movement.

She still has the champion's spirit though.

Nothing else to add:lol:

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:35 AM
Ok mrs Perfect got it:haha::haha::bolt:

:hysteric:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:54 AM
:hysteric:
:speakles:

meteor
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:59 AM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.


again with this top 50 thing :lol:. what about the fact that she beat v. williams, wozniacki, and zheng in the first two weeks of the year? now you'll say they were exos, but i really doubt that any of these three players wanted to lose to her, exo or not.

it's only a matter of time. once she DOES beat a top 40 player in a normal tournament, i'm sure you masha haters will find something else to obsess about :rolleyes:.

as for kuznetsova, you're joking, right? she can't find her way out of a paper bag this year. as dubious as maria's chances at wimbledon might be, they are still greater than those of kuznetsova.

Vikapower
Jun 14th, 2010, 01:49 PM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.
I hope when Kuzzie losses to Alisa by producing some pathetical play you will stay on your same conduct line. :rolleyes:
As for Maria thanks for your share of hate but a champion never dies. Does Nadal/Fed/Serena will never win a GS again tells you something ? :kiss:

pica_pica
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Which has higher probability, Sharapova not winning Wimby OR Schiavone winning RG?

dany.p
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:11 PM
Yeah but outside of the Williams, virtually all players are "really not going to win wimbledon".

It is annoying how she always seems to be a heavy favourite according to the "experts" though. It just makes her look bad when she doesn't come through.

NeoZod19
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:18 PM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

I agree with you and I don`t know why people tend to think Maria is a threat?:confused:

She is just got back from a serious injuries that totally destroyed her serves....

I don't expect to see Maria back to her early 2008 level any time soon

Ferg
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:21 PM
I agree with you and I don`t know why people tend to think Maria is a threat?:confused:

She is just got back from a serious injuries that totally destroyed her serves....

I don't expect to see Maria back to her early 2008 level any time soon

Shes been back a year. :shrug:

Ciarán
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:28 PM
I think she's gonna win. Just a strange feeling I have.

shega
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:29 PM
it's just that, you don't know what's gona happen with her form. Really, it's something you should wait and see because it's hard to predict what Sharapova's going to do because of her past and her present. They're those crappy retired british players who think she can do it, mostly based on her past when she won it once and got to two semis - and some of you (who are not crappy, don't know about retired or british, or players) who are based on her present, where all those boring stats are sadly way too true. But a statemet like that " really not going to win Wimbledon", isn't too appropriate. To me, she was never going to win AO '08 with a terrile draw and a 2007 season of horror. Now, I don't enjoy predicting anything about this girl.

friendsita
Jun 14th, 2010, 05:51 PM
I love Maria but it's very difficult to say she will win Wimbledon... u know there still r 2 girls that own that place.

Joe.
Jun 14th, 2010, 05:56 PM
Nice anti-jynx thread. ;) :weirdo:

sweetpeas
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:10 PM
I think Maria will rise to the occasion when she needs to.



Right!Maria love's Wimbledon.

s_j
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:13 PM
16th seed now.

V's a star
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:23 PM
Shes just not agile enough now. And if her serve is off its over.

Andrew Laeddis
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:33 PM
This isn't a Sharapova hate thread (ok maybe it is...) but let's be honest-she isn't a factor for Wimbledon.

I have heard numerous "experts" from the BBC name her as a great bet to win (by experts read crappy retired British players).

Yes she has won 2 titles, but both were lame to be fair. She has beaten two top 50 opponents this year, #43 Dushevina and #49 Medina Garrigues. What part of that makes anyone think she can win it?!?

Yes she is a good player but her form and confidence are low, not this year Maria.

I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

Surely you jest :confused:

About you it says VOLUMES.

Doc
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:42 PM
It's all about Belief a t the moment, as I see it. She's got the shots and the fitness back in recent matches. It's just regaining the self-belief to close out the big matches. Hope she does so.

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:52 PM
16th seed now.

:hysteric:

She never gets the seed we want her to be. I guess a Williams is just unavoidable. :sobbing:

young_gunner913
Jun 14th, 2010, 07:59 PM
:hysteric:

She never gets the seed we want her to be. I guess a Williams is just unavoidable. :sobbing:

She cant face a Williams in R2...

Vodkapova
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:00 PM
She cant face a Williams in R2...

Are you a comedian? :confused:

canadia
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:10 PM
I agree with your analysis. She may not be ready for Wimbledon but I will support her all the way. I've watched this girl from the beginning of her career and have always admired her grit and determination. She could have retired from the game after her shoulder injury. Yuri certainly isn't pushing her to play anymore, at least with his continued absence at tournaments. And with all the money she has earned, she certainly doesn't have to hit a tennis ball professionally ever again.

It is her continued need to win matches that I love about her. The fact that she still slaps her thigh and clenches her fist even in MM tournaments is commendable. The WTA would sorely miss her and all those that love her and those that love to hate her would miss her presence on the tour.

Oh, and agility wise, it is hard for someone 188 cm to propell themselves quickly around a tennis court. She would have better to have stayed at 182 cm. There are definitely pros and cons to being that tall.

I want her to do well but even if she doesn't, as long as she is working hard and slapping her thigh, grunting out points, I will forever be her fan.

NeoZod19
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Shes been back a year. :shrug:

Peharps but back off and on if you recall other injuries. Look I'm not trying to find excuses for her but some other players like Capriati has to retire: Shoulder problem as well.

I'm a fan of tennis and I think she has value to the present and future women tennis so....hope to see her back in full strength.:bounce:

Maria Croft
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:17 PM
You don't need to be a prophet to see that she isn't going to win Wimbledon this year. Not just because of recent Wimbledon results or slam results for that matter either, but she simply hasn't been able to bring it when it matters. I don't see that magically changing at Wimbledon. At this point I would already be happy if she would beat a decent opponent again and not fall apart.

slamchamp
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:07 PM
It can't be because SweetCleo is.. :secret:
I actually know:devil:

In The Zone
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Sharapova, even with this form and at this stage of her career, can beat anyone not named Williams at Wimbledon. She will always be considered a threat at Wimbledon. Schiavone won Roland Garros. Do not write anyone off.

JamieOwen3
Jun 14th, 2010, 10:54 PM
jesus christ instead of making a hate thread why don't u make thread about a player you like? why make a hate thread???? there's no point making such a thread when everyone's been talking about it since she lost to li na on the other thread there's so much hate about maria on GM i couldn't give a flying fuck if anyone thinks this is a crazy answer id make the same answer for venus serena and if they were still playing hingis and seles!!

NeoZod19
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:42 PM
It's all about Belief a t the moment, as I see it. She's got the shots and the fitness back in recent matches. It's just regaining the self-belief to close out the big matches. Hope she does so.

indeed!:angel:

DimaDinosaur
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:43 PM
:lol: Sveta? Who suck on grass, and sucks generally at the moment? who hasn't managed to go deep in a tournament all year? versus someone who won two and reached a finals on grass recently? Right.




Sveta made quarter of Wimbledon and won Eastbourne, the harder grass tournament prior to Wimbledon. Wow, for a player who sucks on grass, she sure did achieve a lot.

:rolleyes: x 102933050394043, get your facts straight before you spread hate, douchebag

switz
Jun 15th, 2010, 05:23 AM
i hate threads like these. she probably will win now :o

bandabou
Jun 15th, 2010, 06:51 AM
She always was Davenport-lite but with better mentality. But now she's too much Davenport-like in movement, that not even the fighting isn't getting it done. If you can't get to balls, then no fighting is gonna help you.

Seems that right now the slower surfaces are the ones helping her, giving her more time.

Vodkapova
Jun 15th, 2010, 06:56 AM
I actually know:devil:

I thought I was the only one who knew. I don't feel special anymore. :tears:

hotcourts
Jun 15th, 2010, 07:09 AM
I'd give Sveta a better chance of winning Wimbledon this year, and that says a lot.

kiwialicat
Jun 15th, 2010, 07:10 AM
Sveta made quarter of Wimbledon and won Eastbourne, the harder grass tournament prior to Wimbledon. Wow, for a player who sucks on grass, she sure did achieve a lot.

:rolleyes: x 102933050394043, get your facts straight before you spread hate, douchebag

:lol: she won Eastbourne in 2004. She last made the quarters of Wimbledon in 2007, 3 freakin' years ago. Hello, we're talking about recently? Are you really going to try to deny that Sveta sucks recently and is generally not that impressive on grass?

For the record, I'm not trying to hate on Sveta and the fact that you assume I am or need to be offensive to try to make your point demonstrates your irrationality. Maybe you should get the facts right.

I'd be quite happy if she reserves her form and does well again.

ClijstersGOAT
Jun 15th, 2010, 10:56 AM
:lol: she won Eastbourne in 2004. She last made the quarters of Wimbledon in 2007, 3 freakin' years ago. Hello, we're talking about recently? Are you really going to try to deny that Sveta sucks recently and is generally not that impressive on grass?

For the record, I'm not trying to hate on Sveta and the fact that you assume I am or need to be offensive to try to make your point demonstrates your irrationality. Maybe you should get the facts right.

I'd be quite happy if she reserves her form and does well again.

Sharapova's last good result at Wimbledon was in 2006, 4 freakin' years ago.

VishaalMaria
Jun 15th, 2010, 11:08 AM
You should never count out a former champion.

Who knows? If Maria is able to get past her patchy play everything might click for her like in did in that 2004 final.

But that's the thing, she needs to get past the first few rounds to get some sort of rhythm.

kiwialicat
Jun 15th, 2010, 12:02 PM
Sharapova's last good result at Wimbledon was in 2006, 4 freakin' years ago.

yeah but what part of comparing recent form do you not get? What's the point of comparing results from 3-4 years ago? What to say they sucked equally in the period between then and now? 'cept maybe to point out that Sharapova had actually won it before where the furthest Sveta has gotten is the quarters, I believe.

ClijstersGOAT
Jun 15th, 2010, 12:06 PM
yeah but what part of comparing recent form do you not get? What's the point of comparing results from 3-4 years ago? What to say they sucked equally in the period between then and now? 'cept maybe to point out that Sharapova had actually won it before where the furthest Sveta has gotten is the quarters, I believe.

Sharapova has not beaten any top-40 oponents this year. Sveta has beaten 5.

kiwialicat
Jun 15th, 2010, 12:13 PM
Sharapova has not beaten any top-40 oponents this year. Sveta has beaten 5.

a fair point, finally a logical argument. Although you know, I'm no statistics expert but it would be nice to know exactly how many top-40 players each hav actually faced.

I totally concede that it is a reasonably poor showing by Maria to not have beaten any of them, whereas Sveta has beaten as you say 5, yet I fully believe that to say Sveta rates a better chance of winning Wimbledon is ludicrous. The argument could be made that neither is in any sort of good form and therefore neither has any real chance of winning.

ClijstersGOAT
Jun 15th, 2010, 12:18 PM
a fair point, finally a logical argument. Although you know, I'm no statistics expert but it would be nice to know exactly how many top-40 players each hav actually faced.

I totally concede that it is a reasonably poor showing by Maria to not have beaten any of them, whereas Sveta has beaten as you say 5, yet I fully believe that to say Sveta rates a better chance of winning Wimbledon is ludicrous. The argument could be made that neither is in any sort of good form and therefore neither has any real chance of winning.

The difference between them is that Sveta is in a slump, and Maria is done. That's my opinion.

kiwialicat
Jun 15th, 2010, 12:26 PM
The difference between them is that Sveta is in a slump, and Maria is done. That's my opinion.

*shrugs. Ok, then. I respect that. Personally, I'll never stop supporting Maria, and even if it does seem that her career is on a downwards trajectory, I believe it'll get better. Or at the very least, I'm going to give it a bit more time before I write her off as never contending for a slam again.

slamchamp
Jun 15th, 2010, 04:20 PM
The difference between them is that Sveta is in a slump, and Maria is done. That's my opinion.Maria is done:spit:

AkademiQ
Jun 15th, 2010, 05:44 PM
Nobody's scared of Maria. Players come playing her with confidence and play their own game.

~MashyOwnThemAll
Jun 15th, 2010, 06:14 PM
The difference between them is that Sveta is in a slump, and Maria is done. That's my opinion.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/l/lol_cat-12926.jpg


Stupid.

goldlion
Jun 15th, 2010, 06:25 PM
No one expects Schiavone to win RG as well

Andrewraven
Jun 15th, 2010, 06:27 PM
Maria may not be the force she once was but i would never count her out :)

narutos
Jun 15th, 2010, 06:31 PM
The difference between them is that Sveta is in a slump, and Maria is done. That's my opinion.

Right and I guess Clijsters is really the GOAT:rolleyes:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 15th, 2010, 07:53 PM
Right and I guess Clijsters is really the GOAT:rolleyes:
:haha::haha:Yeah Wozniacki too:lol::lol: