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MechWarrior2k
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:06 AM
I'm sparing nobody, which include some of my faves, when I say this. For every Serena-Venus-Henin-Clijsters, you have 500+ WTA players that stick to the same nutty stuff that's gotten them nowhere or exposed their liabilities even more so. At this point, I can probably count on two hands, maybe only one for that matter, of the number of WTA players that actually have a clue as to what they're doing when they play.

Example of stupidity:
Safina - That serve is an atrocity and should be condemned. Does she really need to toss it up 10-15 feet in the air before serving? She already is a platinum member of the WTA Headcase Society. The last thing she needs is more time to think about anything (i.e. Krajan-her mom-Marat looking at her, praying to the tennis gods that this serve goes in, counting number of racquets broken this year, etc.) before she serves. The 2nd serve is an adventure because she has no idea where it's going and IF it lands in it's often begging to be blasted. The first serve rarely has any purpose or thought in it. The most strenuous, complex, inflexible of serve form and it only once in a while produces good serves. And yet she still keeps this failed "form" that cost her the Olympic gold and the French Open? :help: She's earned over $9 million and probably still thinks her serve is just fine. Too cheap, stupid, and/or stubborn to adapt. :eek:

Then she kept Krajan for way too long even when it was quite obvious this likely "friendship with benefits", oops partnership, was not improving nor advancing her game. It improved results for the first 18 months, but in the process she let Krajan do all the thinking as to what she should do. At times it appeared she couldn't blow her own nose unless he pulled out the Kleenex. She's 6'2" and probably stronger than 1/2 the ATP men, yet she was always running to Krajan at the first sign of trouble...ALWAYS!

Her remark about how being #1 was more important than winning a slam didn't do her any favors either. She then talked a big game about her bringing it on to close out 2009, only to lost to no-namers in Tokyo AND Beijing.

I would say more but Safina gets me so upset so easily. :sad: Still love you Dinara, but dig deep and use your brain.... PLEASE!

Caralenko
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:07 AM
You don't know her, so fuck off. Your assumptions just make you look stupid.

MechWarrior2k
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:32 AM
You don't know her, so fuck off. Your assumptions just make you look stupid.

How so?

You actually believe Safina's serve is just fine? I guess you ignored the 16 or 17 DFs in the Olympics vs Dementieva. Or the 19 DFs in losing to Rezai in Canada even though she beat Rezai 6-0 6-0 at the French just a few months prior? Or her DFs in losing to Kvitova (3 straight DFs to start that 3rd set) as well as that then #226 ranked Chinese player late last year? Safina was #2 on the tour last year in double faults, but not even in the top 15 in aces despite having the 2nd most wins on the tour.

I would argue her forehand mechanics are the real problem behind her back issue. Just as the case for Sharapova and her shoulder. Her serve motion doesn't do her back any favors either. It's easier to have a longer takeback if your agile enough to pull it off even though that's asking for problems eventually. But big players are quite vulnerable when generating too much power from their upper body.

Safina said those things about her being #1 and her stepping it up for Tokyo and Beijing. So how is that an assumption? :confused:

Safina won 5 tier-1 titles, but 0 slams. Let's see she can beat the top players in events that require 5 or 6 victories to win, but failed against these same players in SF and F at the slams. Oh, that's right. In tier-1's players can seek coaching advice. And that is something Safina used quite a bit at the first instance of trouble. But what happened in the AO and FO finals in 2009? She looked like she was scared and lost like a 5 year old looking for her night light. She didn't want to even be there, and did 1/2 the work for her opponents to win. Let's not go there regarding the Wimbledon SF... I'm trying to pretend that massacre never happened.

She went from going for her shots to now being a low-quality pusher. She can't figure anything out for herself. She became too dependent on Krajan to the point she forgot what got her to the top. Her toughness and her resolve is now a shell of what it was in 2008.

Unless she gets it together, she could drop like Chakvetadze and Vaidisova. I hope it does not happen, but she needs to dig deep, get healthy, figure out what she needs to do, and just fight.

Mightymirza
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:45 AM
Sharapovas ball toss is also :help: The best servers hit it at the Apex..

fufuqifuqishahah
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:55 AM
Your concerns are right on, but you do make a lot of haughty assumptions....

Caralenko
Jun 14th, 2010, 04:56 AM
So? If it happens, it happens. Nothing your posts on an irrelevant tennis forum can do about it.

MechWarrior2k
Jun 14th, 2010, 05:13 AM
Sharapovas ball toss is also :help: The best servers hit it at the Apex..

Sharapova did at one point have a good serve. I think her and her camp blamed her racquets for the shoulder issues. I'm surprised they didn't consider her overuse of the reverse forehand as a culprit. I guess that's dumb on their part as a collective. Especially since she hits forehands much more often than serves. IMO reverse forehands are situational and not intended to be used by default. Azarenka's had shoulder ailments as well and she does the reverse forehand by default too.

Instead of her team transitioning Sharapova to hit more windshield wiper forehands and approaching the net to hit conventional volleys, she's had to change racquets, change her toss and motion, and has resorted to going for broke to minimize her movement. She's got mental toughness and resiliency which has gotten her through some ugly matches, but that only helps you so much until someone picks her weaknesses apart.

Direwolf
Jun 14th, 2010, 05:22 AM
you just considered her lost...
how bout her df Stats in her 6-0 6-0 win vs Rezai???

why state only one side of the fact?

GAGAlady
Jun 14th, 2010, 05:34 AM
I'm sparing nobody, which include some of my faves, when I say this. For every Serena-Venus-Henin-Clijsters, you have 500+ WTA players that stick to the same nutty stuff that's gotten them nowhere or exposed their liabilities even more so. At this point, I can probably count on two hands, maybe only one for that matter, of the number of WTA players that actually have a clue as to what they're doing when they play.

Example of stupidity:
Safina - That serve is an atrocity and should be condemned. Does she really need to toss it up 10-15 feet in the air before serving? She already is a platinum member of the WTA Headcase Society. The last thing she needs is more time to think about anything (i.e. Krajan-her mom-Marat looking at her, praying to the tennis gods that this serve goes in, counting number of racquets broken this year, etc.) before she serves. The 2nd serve is an adventure because she has no idea where it's going and IF it lands in it's often begging to be blasted. The first serve rarely has any purpose or thought in it. The most strenuous, complex, inflexible of serve form and it only once in a while produces good serves. And yet she still keeps this failed "form" that cost her the Olympic gold and the French Open? :help: She's earned over $9 million and probably still thinks her serve is just fine. Too cheap, stupid, and/or stubborn to adapt. :eek:

Then she kept Krajan for way too long even when it was quite obvious this likely "friendship with benefits", oops partnership, was not improving nor advancing her game. It improved results for the first 18 months, but in the process she let Krajan do all the thinking as to what she should do. At times it appeared she couldn't blow her own nose unless he pulled out the Kleenex. She's 6'2" and probably stronger than 1/2 the ATP men, yet she was always running to Krajan at the first sign of trouble...ALWAYS!

Her remark about how being #1 was more important than winning a slam didn't do her any favors either. She then talked a big game about her bringing it on to close out 2009, only to lost to no-namers in Tokyo AND Beijing.

I would say more but Safina gets me so upset so easily. :sad: Still love you Dinara, but dig deep and use your brain.... PLEASE!

its true some of the women players have odd shots PERIOD.

Safina has a VERY high toss and to me, it is just ridiculously way too high, as a tennis pro i would never advise ANY player to replicate that, its just not percentage....its so risky.

But womens tennis as a whole is a crap shoot...any of the women dont really play that great esp if you compare them to the men, who obviously play the game technically far better overall...

but womens tennis is strange that way!:help:

MechWarrior2k
Jun 14th, 2010, 05:38 AM
you just considered her lost...
how bout her df Stats in her 6-0 6-0 win vs Rezai???

why state only one side of the fact?

I don't have the stats for the FO match with Rezai. I don't need them either. She was looking forward to that FO after winning Rome and Madrid. She was on cloud 9 until that QF vs Azarenka. After that, she was just uncomfortable and felt the pressure of trying to win a slam and to live up to being #1. On clay, you don't need a great serve to win, though it can help a bit.

In 2008 Safina cruised to winning Canada, but after she lost the Cincy 2009 final to Jankovic she was a broken woman. Hit 19 DFs to Rezai, hit a ton of DFs in her 1st and 2nd round USO matches that were each 3 setters, then repeated the process with 9 DFs against a brainless basher in Kvitova.

Safina actually believes her serve to be her best shot. :eek: So if it falls apart, her whole game goes down the toilet usually. A woman with her build shouldn't be struggling to hit 96-100 MPH 1st serves in at a 60 or so % clip. If she simplified her motion and actually leaned a bit forward she would find herself hitting faster while expending less energy (i.e. Serena). She tries to spin the serve in rather than drive it. She's tall. Why worry about spinning it when she has a distinct height advantage?

The Witch-king
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:09 AM
Sharapovas ball toss is also :help: The best servers hit it at the Apex..

I don't think that's true. They hit it when the ball is coming down.

toxina90
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:21 AM
I agree, the amount of top players especially who don't stand in on weak 2nd serves is just weird :cuckoo:

MechWarrior2k
Aug 1st, 2010, 08:45 PM
Sharapova. I dare Ma$hatards to dispute that after watching her match vs Azarenka in Stanford.

Sean.
Aug 1st, 2010, 08:50 PM
MechWarrior2k, I'm going to guess you don't play tennis? Changing your entire service motion, or sorting out a kink in your game is not as easy as you seem to think it is.

Serenita
Aug 1st, 2010, 08:50 PM
Sharapova. I dare Ma$hatards to dispute that after watching her match vs Azarenka in Stanford.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2jfb05y.jpg

MechWarrior2k
Aug 1st, 2010, 08:55 PM
MechWarrior2k, I'm going to guess you don't play tennis? Changing your entire service motion, or sorting out a kink in your game is not as easy as you seem to think it is.

I see you still want to wave the "serve excuse" for Sharapova. She only made 3 DFs in that match, but 18 UEs in the 2nd set. She made ZERO attempts to construct points. She made Azarenka look like a master of controlling tempo. :help: All she wanted to do was overpower Azarenka, but when Azarenka kept hitting the balls deep at Sharapova she had nothing to counter that but try to blast one-shot kill balls. Too bad she aimed like a Gaza Strip gang-banger toting an AK-47. Hitting everything but the intended target.

With all the time off she's had since 2007 she had plenty of chances to acquire tactics and time to change up certain elements. Yet she looks like she's stagnated, if not regressed. How many WTF matches has she been involved in since the start of 2009? Quite a lot. She has no patience, can't handle a real rally, takes low percentage shots as standard routine, and if she can't intimidate her opponent her own UEs will bite her in the end. She just can't evolve and her coaching camp won't let her for that matter.

silyaunWILLIAMS
Aug 1st, 2010, 08:58 PM
I'm sparing nobody, which include some of my faves, when I say this. For every Serena-Venus-Henin-Clijsters, you have 500+ WTA players that stick to the same nutty stuff that's gotten them nowhere or exposed their liabilities even more so. At this point, I can probably count on two hands, maybe only one for that matter, of the number of WTA players that actually have a clue as to what they're doing when they play.

Example of stupidity:
Safina - That serve is an atrocity and should be condemned. Does she really need to toss it up 10-15 feet in the air before serving? She already is a platinum member of the WTA Headcase Society. The last thing she needs is more time to think about anything (i.e. Krajan-her mom-Marat looking at her, praying to the tennis gods that this serve goes in, counting number of racquets broken this year, etc.) before she serves. The 2nd serve is an adventure because she has no idea where it's going and IF it lands in it's often begging to be blasted. The first serve rarely has any purpose or thought in it. The most strenuous, complex, inflexible of serve form and it only once in a while produces good serves. And yet she still keeps this failed "form" that cost her the Olympic gold and the French Open? :help: She's earned over $9 million and probably still thinks her serve is just fine. Too cheap, stupid, and/or stubborn to adapt. :eek:

Then she kept Krajan for way too long even when it was quite obvious this likely "friendship with benefits", oops partnership, was not improving nor advancing her game. It improved results for the first 18 months, but in the process she let Krajan do all the thinking as to what she should do. At times it appeared she couldn't blow her own nose unless he pulled out the Kleenex. She's 6'2" and probably stronger than 1/2 the ATP men, yet she was always running to Krajan at the first sign of trouble...ALWAYS!

Her remark about how being #1 was more important than winning a slam didn't do her any favors either. She then talked a big game about her bringing it on to close out 2009, only to lost to no-namers in Tokyo AND Beijing.

I would say more but Safina gets me so upset so easily. :sad: Still love you Dinara, but dig deep and use your brain.... PLEASE!

Anyone else?

MechWarrior2k
Aug 1st, 2010, 09:00 PM
Anyone else?

If I wasn't so traumatized by the Pavlyuchenkova-Vesnina match I would gladly add them on. Stay tuned.

Sp!ffy
Aug 1st, 2010, 09:01 PM
Sharapova. I dare Ma$hatards to dispute that after watching her match vs Azarenka in Stanford.

Sharapova what? She is stupid?

Sean.
Aug 1st, 2010, 09:03 PM
I see you still want to wave the "serve excuse" for Sharapova. She only made 3 DFs in that match, but 18 UEs in the 2nd set. She made ZERO attempts to construct points. She made Azarenka look like a master of controlling tempo. :help: All she wanted to do was overpower Azarenka, but when Azarenka kept hitting the balls deep at Sharapova she had nothing to counter that but try to blast one-shot kill balls. Too bad she aimed like a Gaza Strip gang-banger toting an AK-47. Hitting everything but the intended target.

I was talking your original comment about Dinara actually.

I'm slightly confused as to what you're trying to say in this thread, but it's far easier to hit behind a computer screen and say what Maria should have done than it is to actually go out there and do it.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Aug 1st, 2010, 09:11 PM
This thread is ah-may-zing!

Sammo
Aug 1st, 2010, 10:27 PM
Isn't Safina 6'1''?

tanman
Aug 1st, 2010, 11:49 PM
MechWarrior2k, I'm going to guess you don't play tennis? Changing your entire service motion, or sorting out a kink in your game is not as easy as you seem to think it is.

True it is not easy to make changes but for me it is doing what it takes to improve. It is like they are afraid to improve, this is how I have done it my whole life and had success. Women like their safety zone and they dont handle very well of being out of it. Also when these girls reach the top 10 they dont listen as well as before when they were on there way up. Safina has alot of issues not just her serve.

darrinbaker00
Aug 2nd, 2010, 12:41 AM
I'm sparing nobody, which include some of my faves, when I say this. For every Serena-Venus-Henin-Clijsters, you have 500+ WTA players that stick to the same nutty stuff that's gotten them nowhere or exposed their liabilities even more so. At this point, I can probably count on two hands, maybe only one for that matter, of the number of WTA players that actually have a clue as to what they're doing when they play.

Example of stupidity:
Safina - That serve is an atrocity and should be condemned. Does she really need to toss it up 10-15 feet in the air before serving? She already is a platinum member of the WTA Headcase Society. The last thing she needs is more time to think about anything (i.e. Krajan-her mom-Marat looking at her, praying to the tennis gods that this serve goes in, counting number of racquets broken this year, etc.) before she serves. The 2nd serve is an adventure because she has no idea where it's going and IF it lands in it's often begging to be blasted. The first serve rarely has any purpose or thought in it. The most strenuous, complex, inflexible of serve form and it only once in a while produces good serves. And yet she still keeps this failed "form" that cost her the Olympic gold and the French Open? :help: She's earned over $9 million and probably still thinks her serve is just fine. Too cheap, stupid, and/or stubborn to adapt. :eek:

Then she kept Krajan for way too long even when it was quite obvious this likely "friendship with benefits", oops partnership, was not improving nor advancing her game. It improved results for the first 18 months, but in the process she let Krajan do all the thinking as to what she should do. At times it appeared she couldn't blow her own nose unless he pulled out the Kleenex. She's 6'2" and probably stronger than 1/2 the ATP men, yet she was always running to Krajan at the first sign of trouble...ALWAYS!

Her remark about how being #1 was more important than winning a slam didn't do her any favors either. She then talked a big game about her bringing it on to close out 2009, only to lost to no-namers in Tokyo AND Beijing.

I would say more but Safina gets me so upset so easily. :sad: Still love you Dinara, but dig deep and use your brain.... PLEASE!
Either you lost money betting on Safina to win, or Safina turned you down for an autograph. Which is it?

slamchamp
Aug 2nd, 2010, 12:53 AM
Sharapova what? She is stupid?
she lost a match so she must be?:tape:

Renalicious
Aug 2nd, 2010, 01:20 AM
OP has some interesting points. :shrug:

*Suscribes to thread* :)

slamchamp
Aug 2nd, 2010, 01:50 AM
OP has some interesting points. :shrug:

*Suscribes to thread* :)
You already suscribed when you said that the OP had some interesting points:p

darrinbaker00
Aug 2nd, 2010, 04:31 AM
OP has some interesting points. :shrug:
Yes, but when he or she wears a hat, you can't see them. ;)

MechWarrior2k
Aug 2nd, 2010, 07:06 AM
Either you lost money betting on Safina to win, or Safina turned you down for an autograph. Which is it?

Fortunately I have never bet on tennis matches. Although if I had bet on Safina, I would have lost betting on her to win the Olympic gold (Lena made fewer mistakes and was more loose while Safina was a DF queen), FO 2009 (I don't even want to comment on that), Cincy 2009 (JJ played well), Ordina Open 2008 (Tanasugarn?), Stuttgart 2009 (Kuzzy played great), Sydney 2009 finals just to name a few.

Safina is a sweet, humble girl. Too bad she was brainwashed by Krajan for so long. That and she crumbled under the pressure of being #1 last year. She went from being a potential top 20 journeywoman to being the next "star" in the making in a flash. She criticized her prior coach for focusing too much on her mechanics while praising Krajan for letting her just play. We can see what that's done lately. Now she's injured (physically and mentally), she has a new coach who has to break her down and build her back up, her flaws became more exposed (slow vertical movement to where drop shots work all the time against her, serve, her cross-court hitting tendencies, lack of in-match adjustments, her nerves, and her wild fluctuations between being a mindless basher or a poor excuse for a pusher, etc.). It pains me to see what has happened to her over the past two years. In 2008 at this time she was taking the tour by storm winning the USO series, made the SF or better in 7 out of 9 events from Berlin to Kremlin Cup, looked like she was kicking aside her past baggage and demons, and was blossoming into the player many folks had been waiting to see. 2009 was still a good year, though it had several horrible moments and some embarrassing ones after Cincy. Her efforts to finish the year #1 ended in failure and in the process made her back problems worse.

Her injuries worry me. Once you have a bad back, it never completely heals. I've had back problems as well (spasms waking me up at night and suffering pain rolling on the floor for 30+ minutes), but not to her degree. That said, she's still not a smart player. I suspect she'll need to tweak a few mechanics, maybe even mix up her tactics (i.e. finish at the net more, toss in some junk balls, try dictating from the baseline ala Davenport, etc.). She'll need to do something or she'll need cortisone shots, acupuncture, and/or deep tissue back massages before she plays each match. That and it's unlikely she can just flip a switch to being a dominant force again.

MechWarrior2k
Aug 4th, 2010, 04:54 AM
I'll just toss in some names and let the fans and haters dispute/agree. Arguing the merits would take me away from playing Starcraft 2. And some of these girls I actually like.

Ivanovic
Wickmayer
Li
Kuznetsova
Petrova
Dementieva
Kvitova
Lisicki
Hantuchova
Rezai

Yorker
Aug 4th, 2010, 04:59 AM
With a lot of the ones you have named, it's a mental problem, something that will never be fixed out right, it can be improved but players are usually mentally strong or they're not. Daniela for one, talented but extremely mentally fragile, you either have the guts on the big stage or you don't. With sveta, she has won slams because her game is that good, she however is very inconsistent mentally, sometimes it's there and a lot of the times it's not. It all comes down to mentality which a lot of the girls are weak in.