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redsonja
Jun 12th, 2010, 11:59 PM
Tracy was right. :shrug: There should be one.

(What, is the title overboard? :shrug: )

Admit it. The thing you're really curious about is her hair.

Sunday, June 13, 2010

Centre Court (from 11.00hrs)
1. Laura Robson vs. Dominika Cibulkova
2. ATP: Greul vs. Haase (NB 12.30hrs)
3. Magdalena Rybarikova vs. Dinara Safina (NB 14.30hrs)
4. ATP: Giraldo vs. Chiudinelli (NB 16.30hrs)

bruce goose
Jun 13th, 2010, 12:09 AM
Tracy was right. :shrug: There should be one.

(What, is the title overboard? :shrug: )

Admit it. The thing you're really curious about is her hair.

Sunday, June 13, 2010

Centre Court (from 11.00hrs)
1. Laura Robson vs. Dominika Cibulkova
2. ATP: Greul vs. Haase (NB 12.30hrs)
3. Magdalena Rybarikova vs. Dinara Safina (NB 14.30hrs)
4. ATP: Giraldo vs. Chiudinelli (NB 16.30hrs)Don't know if it's overboard,but I'd appreciate it if you could translate the intended meaning;I've never heard that usage before......Having said that,you certainly came up with a unique,unseen title:lol::hatoff:

redsonja
Jun 13th, 2010, 12:41 AM
All it really means is, grass sucks. Which is not my personal opinion, but given that Dinara once said she'd be fine with it if they paved Wimbledon into hard courts, I figured it might accurately represent her take on the matter. :p

bruce goose
Jun 13th, 2010, 12:48 AM
All it really means is, grass sucks. Which is not my personal opinion, but given that Dinara once said she'd be fine with it if they paved Wimbledon into hard courts, I figured it might accurately represent her take on the matter. :pThanks for the explanation,Cristina:lol:....I sort of guessed your intent but hadn't heard that precise terminology before...and given our Dinarik's mindset,your title is all the more appropriate.I'm all in favor of natural surfaces for football,baseball,etc. but,when it comes to tennis,I agree with those who find it dumb and bizarre....We don't have basketball,volleyball,boxing or sprint races on grass...so maybe we should let grass tennis go the way of the dinosaur:p

Caralenko
Jun 13th, 2010, 01:06 AM
"My best on grass is equal to Venus' best on grass" :bigcry:

osseous
Jun 13th, 2010, 01:06 AM
Admit it. The thing you're really curious about is her hair.

+1 :yeah: And good luck Dinara! God bless you girl! Davai. :cheer:

osseous
Jun 13th, 2010, 01:07 AM
"My best on grass is equal to Venus' best on grass" :bigcry:

:hysteric:

bruce goose
Jun 13th, 2010, 04:36 AM
Folks,I don't know any songs with the name 'Eastbourne' or 'Rosmalen',and I've never heard of any musical tributes to Wimbledon........but we DO have a 'Birmingham' tune...even though it's referring to Birmingham,ALABAMA...and not England......Anyway,it's the closest thing to a grass-court song that we're gonna get.So imagine some lovelorn ex-bf seeing :hearts:Dinara:hearts: with her new hairstyle as she saunters beautifully onto the grass...and then he pays her this tribute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHvVXMVSy4c&feature=related

DS.Fan.
Jun 13th, 2010, 05:55 AM
Thanks Christina:D
a bit worried:help:

DS.Fan.
Jun 13th, 2010, 05:55 AM
"My best on grass is equal to Venus' best on grass" :bigcry:
:lol::lol:

Ashi
Jun 13th, 2010, 06:00 AM
"My best on grass is equal to Venus' best on grass" :bigcry:

Dinara.:smash:

vanúss
Jun 13th, 2010, 07:15 AM
:lol: I like the name of the thread a lot .

I already drugged myself with painkillers so i'm ready for her match , i'll feel numb :p

lilimi
Jun 13th, 2010, 08:24 AM
Admit it. The thing you're really curious about is her hair.


:p :lol: (i hope she did more than cutting 2 cm of her hair...)
is there a livestream somewhere?

vanúss
Jun 13th, 2010, 08:32 AM
There should be one ! You can see the Center court matches on the Unicef Open TV here (http://www.unicefopen.nl/en/video/unicef-open-tv.html) .

PersephoneDisco
Jun 13th, 2010, 11:36 AM
I feel like I should print this onto a t-shirt and wear it during Dinara's first round match in Wimbly :lol:

makini
Jun 13th, 2010, 02:52 PM
This is the best name for a thread, this or "grass is going to kick Dinara's ass" because both are true. I'm thinking that 's-Hertogenbosch will have to be removed from the title soon though.

Caralenko
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:07 PM
I'm thinking that 's-Hertogenbosch will have to be removed from the title soon though.

If by some miracle that it is not today, then almost certainly by tomorrow :lol:

camilia
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:17 PM
This is the best name for a thread, this or "grass is going to kick Dinara's ass" because both are true. I'm thinking that 's-Hertogenbosch will have to be removed from the title soon though.

:spit: painful to read but true!

Ashi
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Oh dindin you need to give us a ray of hope to remain positive!, something like maybe win a match.

redsonja
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:38 PM
It's like the best of both worlds. Last year she said she wanted to take the week off before Wimbledon. This way, she gets to play 's-Hertogenbosch and take the week off. :p

DS.Fan.
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:48 PM
It's like the best of both worlds. Last year she said she wanted to take the week off before Wimbledon. This way, she gets to play 's-Hertogenbosch and take the week off. :p
:lol::lol:

bruce goose
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:51 PM
It's like the best of both worlds. Last year she said she wanted to take the week off before Wimbledon. This way, she gets to play 's-Hertogenbosch and take the week off. :pNo disrespect meant to Makini,but I think you should KEEP the title as is;your intent was to prove that grass was anathema...a plague...to Dinara...and what better proof than a 1st-Round loss?:o......I'd like to see her with her hair down off court,though:hearts:

DS.Fan.
Jun 13th, 2010, 03:58 PM
5 straight losses:o Dinara,you and your fans still need more time to wait:p
but I never doubt she will come back:kiss:

osseous
Jun 13th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Oh dindin you need to give us a ray of hope to remain positive!, something like maybe win a match.

It's like the best of both worlds. Last year she said she wanted to take the week off before Wimbledon. This way, she gets to play 's-Hertogenbosch and take the week off. :p

5 straight losses:o Dinara,you and your fans still need more time to wait:p
but I never doubt she will come back:kiss:

+1 Pretty, please. :sobbing:

redsonja
Jun 13th, 2010, 04:10 PM
This is the best name for a thread, this or "grass is going to kick Dinara's ass" because both are true. I'm thinking that 's-Hertogenbosch will have to be removed from the title soon though.

Well, part of my original intent was definitely that (a) she hates it and (b) she's gonna lose. So, we're working it in. :p

goldenlox
Jun 13th, 2010, 08:27 PM
TennisReporters (http://twitter.com/TennisReporters)

It's official: Dominica Cibulkova says she has begun to work full time with Dinara Safina's old coach, Zeljko Krajan

bruce goose
Jun 13th, 2010, 08:40 PM
TennisReporters (http://twitter.com/TennisReporters)

It's official: Dominica Cibulkova says she has begun to work full time with Dinara Safina's old coach, Zeljko KrajanThen we can be proud supporters of the Cibujan Romance:lol:.It's hard to imagine Domi's tolerating Krajan's tough love...she seems slightly bratty to me....I could be wrong:angel:

vanúss
Jun 13th, 2010, 08:45 PM
:fiery: for everything that happened today really :lol:

DS.Fan.
Jun 14th, 2010, 01:00 AM
all the things are changed in 2010...i think i need time to adapt to..damn!

osseous
Jun 14th, 2010, 01:36 AM
TennisReporters (http://twitter.com/TennisReporters)

It's official: Dominica Cibulkova says she has begun to work full time with Dinara Safina's old coach, Zeljko Krajan

OH NO!!!!! Please, No! :sobbing:

Okay. I'll just pretend that I never read and don't know this. :ignore:

bruce goose
Jun 14th, 2010, 02:13 AM
;17968170']OH NO!!!!! Please, No! :sobbing:

Okay. I'll just pretend that I never read and don't know this. :ignore:Sweet Eli,if he doesn't appreciate Dinarik enough,then he doesn't deserve her...and I would say the same thing about anyone who didn't show fidelity to the precious Chicas here in the Domik:hug:

osseous
Jun 14th, 2010, 02:56 AM
Sweet Eli,if he doesn't appreciate Dinarik enough,then he doesn't deserve her...and I would say the same thing about anyone who didn't show fidelity to the precious Chicas here in the Domik:hug:

Thanks Bruce. :kiss: And you're right. :crying2:

Good luck to you Dinara and God bless! Do well on Wimbledon, please? :awww:

C. Drone
Jun 14th, 2010, 08:49 AM
idiot girl of stupidity. it does not work, just give up!

C. Drone
Jun 14th, 2010, 09:39 AM
hoping they'll take time to fix that damn serve after the grass.
that serve is just ridiculous. And when the serve is better, everything else is better. More confidence, more stability. And i know that power is not everything, but... i mean somebody, like Patty, who is small, absolutely not a power-ballbasher can hit 180+ km/h serves, while in the last 2 years Dinara's best was like 175, maybe 180 km/h if she was lucky. Yes, i know, different
racket and string, and Dinara spins much, high bouncing balls makes toubles sometimes, first serves works a couple times, but... it's just stinks. And the 2nd serves is literally sucks every time, so there is no excuse to not change a bit. or the whole.

There is many many time. She is 24, she won't be much older if she takes a couple months off. She has to understand.
Because screwing things up, like she did in the last 2 month is just PATHETIC and literally ruins her carreer.

redsonja
Jun 14th, 2010, 11:23 AM
Because screwing things up, like she did in the last 2 month is just PATHETIC and literally ruins her carreer.
Yeah. On the one hand, IMO she shouldn't even be back yet, so losing a lot is not very serious or surprising.

On the other hand, coming back months before she should have and losing all the time is destroying her confidence. I had to laugh when I read that one Myskina interview where she said this experience had matured Dinara a lot. Yeah, because coming back on tour a month before you're recovered enough to even practice serving just smacks of rational adult decision making. :rolleyes:

HowardH
Jun 14th, 2010, 01:32 PM
Yeah. On the one hand, IMO she shouldn't even be back yet, so losing a lot is not very serious or surprising.

On the other hand, coming back months before she should have and losing all the time is destroying her confidence. I had to laugh when I read that one Myskina interview where she said this experience had matured Dinara a lot. Yeah, because coming back on tour a month before you're recovered enough to even practice serving just smacks of rational adult decision making. :rolleyes:

It just seems that Dinara has the wrong idea about what matches are meant to do for you. Matches test you, they aren't good for really improving you unless you already have all your shots well prepared and need just some fine tuning. This is like someone turning up to sit a lot of exams a month before they are ready, and failing them all. As if failing a test everyday would help you improve. Would be better to spend the time studying (or in Dinara's case, recovering then easing into training). And since her confidence is also being destroyed, there is nothing positive to take from these last few weeks.

She needs to learn something from the WS. Not rushing back is generally better. But she doesn't seem to be the kind to learn fast...

bruce goose
Jun 14th, 2010, 03:27 PM
It just seems that Dinara has the wrong idea about what matches are meant to do for you. Matches test you, they aren't good for really improving you unless you already have all your shots well prepared and need just some fine tuning. This is like someone turning up to sit a lot of exams a month before they are ready, and failing them all. As if failing a test everyday would help you improve. Would be better to spend the time studying (or in Dinara's case, recovering then easing into training). And since her confidence is also being destroyed, there is nothing positive to take from these last few weeks.

She needs to learn something from the WS. Not rushing back is generally better. But she doesn't seem to be the kind to learn fast...Howard,are you gonna start posting here now?If so,your insights on Dinara would be most welcome....As you may have read on previous pages,Norby(nickname 'TegMeg')and I are the only regular guy posters here.The female posters are intelligent & lovely...remarkably so...but they get disoriented sometimes as they lament the collapse of the 'Dinajan Romance'...or as they drool over shirtless Marat photos:lol:.Your smart,analytical male perspective would be a great asset:hatoff:

Dinayer
Jun 15th, 2010, 10:17 AM
I didnt watch the match, how did she play?
Im not surprised though :shrug:
win a match soon please :sobbing:

C. Drone
Jun 15th, 2010, 11:35 AM
It just seems that Dinara has the wrong idea about what matches are meant to do for you. Matches test you, they aren't good for really improving you unless you already have all your shots well prepared and need just some fine tuning. This is like someone turning up to sit a lot of exams a month before they are ready, and failing them all. As if failing a test everyday would help you improve. Would be better to spend the time studying (or in Dinara's case, recovering then easing into training). And since her confidence is also being destroyed, there is nothing positive to take from these last few weeks.

She needs to learn something from the WS. Not rushing back is generally better. But she doesn't seem to be the kind to learn fast...

yeah, agree. i just don't get it, what she's trying or what she's expecting, because it doesn't make sense. last year didn't make any sense. It's just looks like she is really afraid to do anything else in life, and she just keep doing what she did in the last 15 year... i don1t know.
People saying how smart she is... i think she hides it very well, because what she does always looks simply dumb.

DS.Fan.
Jun 15th, 2010, 12:06 PM
Maybe she is the kind who can't do a couple of things at the same time:shrug:
I just can't understand why she can't practise enough then go back to court.It's a disaster to lose so many matches in a row:rolleyes: I can't believe she just practise her serve from the beginning of FO and has the brave to play on court:o
Sometimes the girl makes me crazy,but I still love her crazy:help:

bruce goose
Jun 15th, 2010, 03:54 PM
Just wondering,fellow Dinatards: Did this early return spring simply from Dinarik's desire to get back in the game...or did someone persuade or influence her,in any way,to do that??

redsonja
Jun 15th, 2010, 10:18 PM
Just wondering,fellow Dinatards: Did this early return spring simply from Dinarik's desire to get back in the game...or did someone persuade or influence her,in any way,to do that??

I'm distinctly under the impression that that was all her idea. When she came back, she said something like "everyone, even my brother" was telling her to stay out longer, but she just couldn't stand it anymore.

Personally, I think she feels some kind of desperate need to prove herself to everyone, all the time, and it overrides any other potentially rational thought that might come into her head. Much to her detriment.

bruce goose
Jun 15th, 2010, 10:27 PM
I'm distinctly under the impression that that was all her idea. When she came back, she said something like "everyone, even my brother" was telling her to stay out longer, but she just couldn't stand it anymore.

Personally, I think she feels some kind of desperate need to prove herself to everyone, all the time, and it overrides any other potentially rational thought that might come into her head. Much to her detriment.Well,I kinda had that same impression,Cristina.....but I normally don't read women well at all:lol:...so I didn't wanna jump to hasty conclusions.

Hearing it from YOU is sorta re-assuring cuz it shows that I'm not totally delusional...though it serves as a detriment(as you mentioned),I admire the fact that Dinarik has that hunger for the sport.....There are a couple other gals,ONE in particular...who shall remain nameless:o...who don't have a fraction of Dinara's earnest

redsonja
Jun 15th, 2010, 10:30 PM
I admire it, in a way, but there's no question that it works against her a lot of the time. Like right now. :o

Aleksandrina
Jun 17th, 2010, 09:25 AM
The girls have arrived. Ana Ivanovic and Dinara Safina are warming up. Venus and Serena are scheduled for this afternoon.

http://twitter.com/Wimbledon

Caralenko
Jun 18th, 2010, 09:45 AM
Safina/Groenefeld R1

foxy87
Jun 18th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Safina/Groenefeld R1

What do you think about that match? I mean on the one side Gr÷nefeld is just coming back from injury and has no match practise so this is winnable, but on the other side Dinara's latest form was not good.

I really hope she can win this.

Caralenko
Jun 18th, 2010, 09:54 AM
Don't have any expectations for her here.




Schiavone vs Dushevina
Pironkova vs Lapushchenkova
Kulikova vs South
Hercog vs Shvedova

Martinez Sanchez vs Arn
Kucova vs Molik
Martic vs Baltacha
Goerges vs Bartoli

Peer vs Ivanovic
Mirza vs Kerber
Voracova vs Groth
Groenefeld vs Safina

Kleybanova vs Zahlavova
Arvidsson vs Kudryavtseva
Makarova vs Szavay
De Los Rios vs V.Williams

C. Drone
Jun 18th, 2010, 09:56 AM
she is gonna so lose this. i won't look even further, R3 Peer, R4 Venus...

she plays monday (and lose miseralebly), and at least than she has 6 weeks off if she doesn't plays some shitty clay torunament,
or goes to Portorozs. 6 weeks is quite enough to think about some things...

AnDrEi.b
Jun 18th, 2010, 09:58 AM
In best case, she`ll get in 4R

vanúss
Jun 18th, 2010, 10:12 AM
Same old story , no expectations :p

osseous
Jun 18th, 2010, 11:06 AM
I expect her to lose on R1. :sobbing: It's really hard to have no expectations at all. :shrug:

redsonja
Jun 18th, 2010, 11:43 AM
ALG can take her. Sad, but true. Girlfriend is a mess. Hopefully she can use the 5-6 weeks she'll have off to get some things straight, but my hopes are not high.

Dinayer
Jun 18th, 2010, 01:40 PM
I dont think ALG can beat her. :)

DS.Fan.
Jun 18th, 2010, 02:48 PM
If she has a very strong desire to beat the girl and focus on the match totally,I believe she can win!However,if she plays like FO,I guess we'll disappoint again:sobbing: Dina,win it pls!:help:

osseous
Jun 19th, 2010, 12:29 AM
I dont think ALG can beat her. :)

Girl, I envy your optimism. :sobbing:

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 03:45 AM
;18000289']Girl, I envy your optimism. :sobbing:Sometimes I wish that we could have a comforting group hug....INCLUDING Dinarik:):).Honestly,Anna-Lena has been out of action(form) for a while,so another win is certainly possible

osseous
Jun 19th, 2010, 03:50 AM
Sometimes I wish that we could have a comforting group hug....INCLUDING Dinarik:):).Honestly,Anna-Lena has been out of action(form) for a while,so another win is certainly possible

Great idea Bruce! :cool: Dinara is so unpredictable lately. You thought she's gonna win but then she end up losing. :sobbing:

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 04:08 AM
;18000707']Great idea Bruce! :cool: Dinara is so unpredictable lately. You thought she's gonna win but then she end up losing. :sobbing:Don't cry,Eli:hug::smooch:It's hard to see either you:angel: or Pepi:angel: crying.Remember that Dinarik had a REALLY bad stretch in early 2008 before she turned it around and became Super Dinara.She might struggle with her game for a short bit,but she has that passion inside her so she'll find her way back:)

C. Drone
Jun 19th, 2010, 08:51 AM
If she has a very strong desire to beat the girl and focus on the match totally,I believe she can win!However,if she plays like FO,I guess we'll disappoint again:sobbing: Dina,win it pls!:help:

This is so not how it works.
It doesn't matter that she or we or anybody talks about her game, or how she is playing. It means nothing. Obviously her gaem/fitness/technique sucks because of the injury, but actually every problem is in her head. And she already has "too much desire" to play, it's another burden that she can't recognize.


...
What she's doing is not working. And not only because her game, but because she just can't win. She does not play to win these days, she plays to not lose. She plays with fear. 'Till she can get over injuries, pressure and Marat's slams in her mind, she won't do anything. and i'm talking about MM torunaments, not slams. Because right now she could not win a craptastic ITF 10k. Yes, it's in her mind mostly. We heard it many times. But if you don't do anything, it won't change. Playing and losing every week, won't do anything good. And her game won't be better until she can't finish some stuff
in her mind. She is very tight and stressfull even when her mind is okay-ish, now imagine her game when her brain is totally fucked up... like RG over and over again.

Personally, this is the situation when my father would give me 1-2 with his right hand, to wake me up... i mean if you don't listen nobody, and just screw up everything again and again, don't be surprised when strangers twitting "U suck" to you.

If a miracle happens and beats ALG by retirement, just means nothing. She'll lose to the next journeywoman in the next round..

redsonja
Jun 19th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Norbi's right. :shrug: Yeah, injury and all. But she didn't lose that match to Kimiko at RG because of the injury. She lost it because she couldn't keep her head together. One of her biggest strengths used to be that she could "win ugly", but now she can't even win when she's ahead (see: almost every match she's lost since she came back). That's a huge problem, and it's one only she can fix. No amount of time, no coaching change, no number of matches played is going to help her with that. She has to decide to do it herself.

Caralenko
Jun 19th, 2010, 11:10 AM
Definitely agree with Norbi there. But she used to be able to tough out those ridiculous tight matches and one doesn't just lose that ability without any triggering impact. I think trouble with Zeljko or the back injury left her kind of fragile in the head, she did pretty well even at the start of the year coming back from 0-5 against Radwanska. Girl needs to relax, get her hair done, and come back at the start of next year. She's not doing herself any favours by plugging away for nothing.

Actually, come to think of it, she was kinda fucked up by that awful Wimbledon semifinal. She lost tight ones to Rezai, Kvitova, Chang and Zhang after that so maybe that ruined her confidence.

redsonja
Jun 19th, 2010, 11:31 AM
I don't think the Wimbledon semifinal had anything to do with it. I still don't think that was mental, she just got schooled by Venus on grass. To me the first really bad one was Sara Errani at Portoroz. And everything after that... she was injured already. The first horrible decision was playing on after USO. Australia was actually very good, the best I'd seen her look in a really long time, until she got reinjured. And since then... disaster.

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 02:01 PM
Norbi's right. :shrug: Yeah, injury and all. But she didn't lose that match to Kimiko at RG because of the injury. She lost it because she couldn't keep her head together. One of her biggest strengths used to be that she could "win ugly", but now she can't even win when she's ahead (see: almost every match she's lost since she came back). That's a huge problem, and it's one only she can fix. No amount of time, no coaching change, no number of matches played is going to help her with that. She has to decide to do it herself.Yes,I agree with you and Norby that Dinarik must find that mental strength within herself....first and foremost...but I think she's capable of doing that.......eventually:unsure::unsure:

~Kiera~
Jun 19th, 2010, 04:42 PM
http://m.wimbledon.org/mobile/index.html

Dinara Safina has withdrawn from Wimbledon due to a low back injury. As she was seeded 20 her position in the draw is taken by Melanie Oudin who will be listed as the 33rd seed. Oudin's place in the draw is taken by a lucky loser Stephanie Dubois of Canada.

redsonja
Jun 19th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Like I said on Twitter, this doesn't surprise me at all. As long as she's not actually reinjured, this is much better than losing even more confidence by playing and losing again.

goldenlox
Jun 19th, 2010, 04:55 PM
How do you know she's not reinjured? Players dont withdraw from Wimbledon over small things
This sounds very bad to me.

nikeshirtoffug
Jun 19th, 2010, 04:58 PM
I really don't think it's a serious reinjury (knock on something). If we hadn't seen her all over twitter and attending the player's party I'd be more worried. If she really reinjured herself I think she'd be devastated and not telling people with smiley faces that she was going to get a puppy when she gets home. Perhaps there's been some discomfort, but I really hope it's not anything like before. Again, I actually knocked on my wood side table.

The girl is completely out of sorts right now. With the injury, her struggling game, and the fact that the way she's lived her life every day life for almost 3 years completely turning upside down on her, she's a total mess. In a way her just getting up and leaving before the inevitable is probably the best thing. Once in a while it's just not worth it.

Dinayer
Jun 19th, 2010, 04:58 PM
low back injury? :bigcry:

Aleksandrina
Jun 19th, 2010, 05:08 PM
Hi guys...sorry to tell u but I had to pull out today...my back injury came back and I can't play...I tried but I can't...sorry

http://twitter.com/Dinarik27

redsonja
Jun 19th, 2010, 05:10 PM
How do you know she's not reinjured? Players dont withdraw from Wimbledon over small things
This sounds very bad to me.

I don't, and I sincerely hope she's not. But since her odnoklassniki status has been "Home soon!!!!!" for a couple of days, I'm hoping that if she is, it's not serious.

The girl is completely out of sorts right now. With the injury, her struggling game, and the fact that the way she's lived her life every day for almost 3 years completely turning upside down on her, she's a total mess. In a way her just getting up and leaving before the inevitable is probably the best thing. Once in a while it's just not worth it.
Lexi said it first, and better. Mental health withdrawals are not kosher, but she needs one in a bad way. Having 6-7 weeks to really take stock and regroup is exactly what she needs right now, and again, as long as she's really not seriously reinjured, I totally support her pulling the plug. It would be the first sensible decision she's made since she decided to go to Stuttgart.

And if she really is seriously reinjured, please, Dinara, do not rush back. It's gotten you nowhere twice now.

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 05:14 PM
low back injury? :bigcry::hug:Dinara tiene madurez para darse cuenta que su salud debe mejorar.No seas triste,mi sobrina:smooch:;Dinarik no le gusta el pasto:lol:;)....y puede descansar mas su espalda:)

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 05:18 PM
Lexi said it first, and better. Mental health withdrawals are not kosher, but she needs one in a bad way. Having 6-7 weeks to really take stock and regroup is exactly what she needs right now, and again, as long as she's really not seriously reinjured, I totally support her pulling the plug. It would be the first sensible decision she's made since she decided to go to Stuttgart.

And if she really is seriously reinjured, please, Dinara, do not rush back. It's gotten you nowhere twice now.Yeah,when you're a fan,then you don't want your faves missing the biggest events.....but sometimes it can't be helped...and I'd LOVE to see her return more mentally re-charged:The results would follow,IMO

HowardH
Jun 19th, 2010, 05:41 PM
I think there is no way this can be a "slight" discomfort or anything like that. As Goldenlox says, players don't withdraw from Wimbledon if they can help it. I can't believe this is not serious.

She is probably paying now for coming back too early, as everyone knew she was. That move backfired completely. She didn't win at all, so she gained no confidence and probably lost some, and now she's injured again. In the end it would have been so much better to take as much time as was needed to fully recover and be totally ready. Frankly, if she had done that she would probably be fit to play Wimbledon. Hopefully the break will do her some good and she will actually wait to be fit this time. With some luck she might be ready for USO, but she should be patient with the injury this time. This is becoming a chronic injury, and if she doesn't take the time to fix it properly, forget about coming back this year... her career might be done. But I'm sure she understands how important proper recovery and rehab is now, so she won't let that happen.

goldenlox
Jun 19th, 2010, 05:55 PM
I also think the worst. She came back in January, played a few matches.
Took months off, and the back injury is still there.
And still there after she was able to play several matches.

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 06:23 PM
I think there is no way this can be a "slight" discomfort or anything like that. As Goldenlox says, players don't withdraw from Wimbledon if they can help it. I can't believe this is not serious.

She is probably paying now for coming back too early, as everyone knew she was. That move backfired completely. She didn't win at all, so she gained no confidence and probably lost some, and now she's injured again. In the end it would have been so much better to take as much time as was needed to fully recover and be totally ready. Frankly, if she had done that she would probably be fit to play Wimbledon. Hopefully the break will do her some good and she will actually wait to be fit this time. With some luck she might be ready for USO, but she should be patient with the injury this time. This is becoming a chronic injury, and if she doesn't take the time to fix it properly, forget about coming back this year... her career might be done. But I'm sure she understands how important proper recovery and rehab is now, so she won't let that happen.Howard,I can't argue with your logic at all...but you don't post here very often...and I wanna make sure you realize that you're allowed to post even when Dinara's doing WELL....You're not restricted only to Doomsday News:p.Like I said,you should come around more often cuz the gals take long breaks while they're catching their breath after ogling shirtless Marat photos:lol:

DS.Fan.
Jun 19th, 2010, 06:25 PM
I can understand why she come back so early!!!But I can't control myself!I'm very very angry with her injury again!!!!!!!!!!!:fiery::fiery:

illusyve
Jun 19th, 2010, 06:35 PM
Dina I'm gutted :sobbing:
Hoping for her to take enough time off and only come back when she fully recovers. :hug:

It's bad that she's losing ranking points quickly but it's worse if she come back too early and get re-injured and risk the rest of her career.

Anyone know how low she is projected to fall after Wimbledon? (30s, 40s?)
What about after the US Open series?

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 07:15 PM
Dina I'm gutted :sobbing:
Hoping for her to take enough time off and only come back when she fully recovers. :hug:

It's bad that she's losing ranking points quickly but it's worse if she come back too early and get re-injured and risk the rest of her career.

Anyone know how low she is projected to fall after Wimbledon? (30s, 40s?)
What about after the US Open series?You can send Norby a PM cuz he's the expert with that points stuff...whenever he gets over his daily bad mood:p,he'll likely give you a reply

redsonja
Jun 19th, 2010, 08:58 PM
I think there is no way this can be a "slight" discomfort or anything like that. As Goldenlox says, players don't withdraw from Wimbledon if they can help it. I can't believe this is not serious.
I'm actually not so sure about that. I mean, maybe I'm being delusional. :) I don't think she'd pull out if she wasn't injured. But she's also said all along that if she has the slightest pain or the slightest suspicious result on her MRIs, which she's having at every tournament, she can't play. My optimistic side is letting me delude myself into thinking that she's being responsible and pulling out at the slightest twinge. Of course, she hasn't behaved responsibly towards her health in almost a year, so I realize that's probably unrealistic. In a couple of days I'll come around. :p

Either way, I hope she doesn't come back until she's really, really ready. Physically and mentally.

(Also, re: rankings, I think after Wimbledon the lowest she can be is something like 30-35. Unless absolutely everyone ranked below her goes on a total tear. But someone else will know for sure. :shrug: )

PersephoneDisco
Jun 19th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Oh god. I really think it's make or break for her. How she'll respond to this re-injury will tell us a lot. There's no way she can gloss over the paper cracks of such a serious and chronic injury. I hope she will let herself take the time to fix the problems that need to be gravely dealt with, if not her injury will force her to take the time. And it could be the time to get a puppy and play happy families from there on.

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Oh god. I really think it's make or break for her. How she'll respond to this re-injury will tell us a lot. There's no way she can gloss over the paper cracks of such a serious and chronic injury. I hope she will let herself take the time to fix the problems that need to be gravely dealt with, if not her injury will force her to take the time. And it could be the time to get a puppy and play happy families from there on.Let's hope it's not that serious,JSB....Thanks to Twitter,even former non-fans are starting to fall in love with Dinarik and see how much personality she has within her.It'd be a damned shame to lose her NOW....I'd have a MAJOR celebration if she ever won a Slam after all she's been through

makini
Jun 19th, 2010, 10:56 PM
Hopefully she takes the appropriate time off this time.

I'm actually not so sure about that. I mean, maybe I'm being delusional. :) I don't think she'd pull out if she wasn't injured. But she's also said all along that if she has the slightest pain or the slightest suspicious result on her MRIs, which she's having at every tournament, she can't play. My optimistic side is letting me delude myself into thinking that she's being responsible and pulling out at the slightest twinge. Of course, she hasn't behaved responsibly towards her health in almost a year, so I realize that's probably unrealistic. In a couple of days I'll come around. :p

Either way, I hope she doesn't come back until she's really, really ready. Physically and mentally.

(Also, re: rankings, I think after Wimbledon the lowest she can be is something like 30-35. Unless absolutely everyone ranked below her goes on a total tear. But someone else will know for sure. :shrug: )

I think that the threat of not being able to play scared her, so she'll be withdrawing from tournaments at the first sign of trouble. I'm being delusional with you Christina.

Caralenko
Jun 20th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Get the girl a puppy, we can wait until Australia rolls around again. :rolleyes:

osseous
Jun 20th, 2010, 02:05 AM
Oh no! :sobbing: Get well soon girl! :crying2:

Ashi
Jun 20th, 2010, 08:16 AM
:sad:

lilimi
Jun 20th, 2010, 08:28 AM
WHAA-AAAA-TTTT????!!! I cant belive she withdrew! :bigcry: I knew she came back toooo early :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry: and thos stupid french media talking about our national football team of loosers!!!!they can't say Dinara is out of Wimbly???:sad:

DS.Fan.
Jun 20th, 2010, 09:14 AM
Why did her doctor allow her to come back so early????:help::help::help:
Didn't she do anything according to her doctor's requestion???
she shouldn't come back soon but her doctor shouldn't allow her come back early?:o

HowardH
Jun 21st, 2010, 06:07 AM
Howard,I can't argue with your logic at all...but you don't post here very often...and I wanna make sure you realize that you're allowed to post even when Dinara's doing WELL....

I wonder when that will be... But I'll try to come around more often.

You're not restricted only to Doomsday News:p.Like I said,you should come around more often cuz the gals take long breaks while they're catching their breath after ogling shirtless Marat photos:lol:

:o. Not that us guys are necessarily better.

Get the girl a puppy, we can wait until Australia rolls around again. :rolleyes:

You're right, patience is a virtue. I don't think it matters if she's out for 3 months, or 6 months, as long as she is absolutely ready when she comes back. Like Kim Clijsters was ready, or Justine was ready. Maybe not reaching a slam final immediately as they could do, but at least winning some rounds.

WHAA-AAAA-TTTT????!!! I cant belive she withdrew! :bigcry: I knew she came back toooo early :bigcry::bigcry::bigcry: and thos stupid french media talking about our national football team of loosers!!!!they can't say Dinara is out of Wimbly???:sad:

I think most countries' media are obsessed with the football right now. A lot of things get pushed to the back. I'm not a big football follower myself, but I guess it's unavoidable that some things don't get reported well when the world cup is on. It's like that over here when the world cup rugby is on.

Why did her doctor allow her to come back so early????:help::help::help:
Didn't she do anything according to her doctor's requestion???
she shouldn't come back soon but her doctor shouldn't allow her come back early?:o

She definitely came back too early, but in the end it's her choice. Her doctors can only advise her. She makes the decisions. They probably told her, you have this percentage risk of reinjury if you return now... And she decided to take the risk. It must have been very tempting. Apart from the truly elite players, she probably believed she could beat most of the players without being at 100%. I think almost everyone on this forum knew she was making a mistake by coming back too early, but people were hopeful she wouldn't have to pay too dearly for that error. Unfortunately, she has. But she still has some years ahead of her. She mustn't rush now, she has to rehab properly otherwise 2011 won't be any better. She has to realise that a few months of extra tournaments aren't worth risking her long term career over. Especially since it turns out to be so hard to win when she is at less than 100% anyway. She has to give the average tour players some credit. They absolutely can beat her if she is not fit, and she's probably realised that by now. An unfit Dina is no more than top 40 level, which is not where she should be.

C. Drone
Jun 21st, 2010, 09:00 AM
fuck. and again, fuck. this is just what everybody told her thats gonna happen.

if she would take the time off in november or after AO, she should had that fuckin dog already. because when you don't play or travel, you have time to take care the dog...

vanúss
Jun 23rd, 2010, 04:53 PM
:o what a year , hopefully we won't see her again until next season , if she ever comes back ! i mean if it happens every two-three months what's the use ?

She said on Twitter that it's even very painful to walk , me thinks she tried too much , again :rolleyes: I can't blame her for doing that right before Wimbledon but damn , it's the third time she should know by now that it will never work out , fairytales don't exist , the chances of her succeeding to overcome the pain or whatever are non existent !

But if it is what it takes for her to get some time off to renew herself physically AND mentally then so be it ! She has what she wanted , a break , enjoy it Dinara but keep Tweeting !

C. Drone
Jun 28th, 2010, 09:16 AM
i hope she won't play anything this year. How many, 6 month left? 2 before USO and 2 after. She can't do anything before USO if the injury is serious. Coming back after USO and traveling around Asia-Europe is not really smart. She should just stay home, go vacation, whatever, just don't rush. And FYI, Dinara, "no pain" doesn't necessarily means that is everything is okay. I broke my right forearm 3 times when i was stupid kid (so funny stories...), and i didn't get why i need the lame gyps 6 weeks... She has time, she needs do things with her tennis anyway, re-learn really basic things. Serve, swings, pose... just be smart. If she comes back next AO, or next clay, she is still just 25, thats not bad age. She can play at least 5 years to chase slams if she has no more trouble.

Every interview or tweet she says how important is to be healthy. And the next day, you just see her name on the scoreboard, because she plays some stupid tournament with broken back, broken leg and broken hair. Again and again. Stop saying bullshits, Dinara! Where is your damn brain, girl? This "i'll prove myself" stuff is just so stupid, still she can't learn anything. Yes, she got every crap in the past becuase she some thinks she is the untalented and ugly little sister, the slamless #1, but if she would have any self respect, she could just say "fuck off" to everybody and won't look so desperate all time... trying to prove herself. It's a total hamster-wheel(?)... just spins and spins, and never ends no matter how fast or strong is the hamster.

vanúss
Jun 28th, 2010, 09:53 AM
Well she's off somewhere today , my guess is Argentina but not to visit that wonderful country of course but to practice/do that rehab thing again :)
I'm at the point where i don't even buy the fact that she injured herself again :o Everything is going way too fast .

bruce goose
Jun 28th, 2010, 11:57 AM
i hope she won't play anything this year. How many, 6 month left? 2 before USO and 2 after. She can't do anything before USO if the injury is serious. Coming back after USO and traveling around Asia-Europe is not really smart. She should just stay home, go vacation, whatever, just don't rush. And FYI, Dinara, "no pain" doesn't necessarily means that is everything is okay. I broke my right forearm 3 times when i was stupid kid (so funny stories...), and i didn't get why i need the lame gyps 6 weeks... She has time, she needs do things with her tennis anyway, re-learn really basic things. Serve, swings, pose... just be smart. If she comes back next AO, or next clay, she is still just 25, thats not bad age. She can play at least 5 years to chase slams if she has no more trouble.

Every interview or tweet she says how important is to be healthy. And the next day, you just see her name on the scoreboard, because she plays some stupid tournament with broken back, broken leg and broken hair. Again and again. Stop saying bullshits, Dinara! Where is your damn brain, girl? This "i'll prove myself" stuff is just so stupid, still she can't learn anything. Yes, she got every crap in the past becuase she some thinks she is the untalented and ugly little sister, the slamless #1, but if she would have any self respect, she could just say "fuck off" to everybody and won't look so desperate all time... trying to prove herself. It's a total hamster-wheel(?)... just spins and spins, and never ends no matter how fast or strong is the hamster.Norby,your passion is:worship:...just be careful with some of the 1st-time visitors to the forum who don't know you...and might be scared off:lol:.....Yeah,you were right with 'hamster wheel'...and I hope that Dinarik ends that by playing for herSELF and not for others

redsonja
Jun 28th, 2010, 01:03 PM
Actually the thing I was the most worried about with the Zeljko split was that, with that one decision, she cut herself off from everyone who actually knew the entire history of her injury and recovery. Like now that she and Zeljko broke up, she's never going to work with any of those people ever again, either. So now what? She's flying off to some completely different place with completely different people, and it's not that there aren't perfectly fine doctors and physios in the mystery place (hereinafter known as "Argentina" :p), I'm sure there are. It's that I'm totally confident that when she gets there, she won't give anyone a rundown of all the details, that I'm totally sure she hasn't asked any of her doctors or physios (including The Greatest Physio She's Ever Worked With In Her Life) for any write-ups that she can hand over to new doctors/physios, etc. Hopefully whoever she sees will insist on doing a full examination when she gets there, because otherwise I'm not at all confident they'll get all the details they need from her. Consistency in treatment is really, really important, and she's refusing to have it.

I understand why she's doing what she's doing, but it's all very desperate and ill-considered. I'm terrified every time she steps on court now. That injury just does not heal in 3 months, and in the end, that's all she gave it.

makini
Jun 28th, 2010, 08:03 PM
I have to agree with Norbi I too was hoping that she would not be back until next year but she obviously has different ideas. She's always talking about how important it is for her to be healthy but then her actions seem to indicate that, that is not the case. She really needs to begin taking better care of her body because sooner or later not letting her back heal properly will come back to bite her in the ass.

As to the Argentina situation I really hope that she is not going because the idea is so ridiculous she wants to play the US Summer hard court season (that she really should not be playing) so she will go to South America where it's Winter to prepare, that idea is not a smart one. I just wish that she would make smarter decisions when it comes to her health.

bruce goose
Jun 28th, 2010, 08:28 PM
You ladies might disagree with this,but I suspect that Dinarik wouldn't have rushed back so fast if she had simply won RG last year.....IMO,that would've silenced a LOT of criticism and a much of Dinara's self-doubt.She may not have felt the need to prove herself quite so urgently........I regretted lashing out at Sveta after the match but,deep down,what bothered me most was how that match was mentally lost before it ever started.Even more than the previous year vs. Ana(who seemed destined to win),that Slam was the most winnable for Dinarik...and she's surely aware of that.Perhaps that's a part of her desire to prove herself

vanúss
Jun 28th, 2010, 09:38 PM
What i wish for her to do right now is the opposite of what she'll end up doing so i'm saving myself the trouble of getting irritated at her choices :shrug: That said i agree with you all .

Get ready to read her tweets saying she's in Argentina with the best people she ever met and share how excited she is to practice again and how much she's looking forward to play again at San Diego ! All of this with lots of '!!!!!!' of course :zzz:

redsonja
Jun 28th, 2010, 10:53 PM
You ladies might disagree with this,but I suspect that Dinarik wouldn't have rushed back so fast if she had simply won RG last year.....IMO,that would've silenced a LOT of criticism and a much of Dinara's self-doubt.She may not have felt the need to prove herself quite so urgently........I regretted lashing out at Sveta after the match but,deep down,what bothered me most was how that match was mentally lost before it ever started.Even more than the previous year vs. Ana(who seemed destined to win),that Slam was the most winnable for Dinarik...and she's surely aware of that.Perhaps that's a part of her desire to prove herself

Oh, I totally agree. If she'd won that, there really wouldn't be that much else to prove, and she could "afford" to take a longer break. And actually I think with all this rushing back from the injury, it's not all about proving herself; it's also that this thing might really end her career, and she wants to play as much as possible before it does. Of course, it's counterproductive-- she'd have a better chance of lasting longer if she took a longer recovery break, but if you're thinking it might go in the gym or on the practice court or in a match... of course she wants to play the match. It's not sound reasoning, but it's pretty typical athlete reasoning-- they are terrible judges of their own physical fitness.

Anyway, I'm with Vanessa. I'm not really upset about what she's doing, just sad that she's not even giving herself a chance. It's pretty depressing to watch, but she's an adult and she makes her own choices, and there's no point in any of us getting particularly upset about it. :shrug:

IAs to the Argentina situation I really hope that she is not going because the idea is so ridiculous she wants to play the US Summer hard court season (that she really should not be playing) so she will go to South America where it's Winter to prepare.

Weather in Buenos Aires this time of year is actually really nice (http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Buenos+Aires+Argentina+ARBA0009). So that's one component of her decision that's actually not totally insane. Who would have thought? :shrug: :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Jun 28th, 2010, 11:13 PM
Oh, I totally agree. If she'd won that, there really wouldn't be that much else to prove, and she could "afford" to take a longer break. And actually I think with all this rushing back from the injury, it's not all about proving herself; it's also that this thing might really end her career, and she wants to play as much as possible before it does. Of course, it's counterproductive-- she'd have a better chance of lasting longer if she took a longer recovery break, but if you're thinking it might go in the gym or on the practice court or in a match... of course she wants to play the match. It's not sound reasoning, but it's pretty typical athlete reasoning-- they are terrible judges of their own physical fitness.

Anyway, I'm with Vanessa. I'm not really upset about what she's doing, just sad that she's not even giving herself a chance. It's pretty depressing to watch, but she's an adult and she makes her own choices, and there's no point in any of us getting particularly upset about it. :shrug:



Weather in Buenos Aires this time of year is actually really nice (http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Buenos+Aires+Argentina+ARBA0009). So that's one component of her decision that's actually not totally insane. Who would have thought? :shrug: :rolleyes:Dinarik is a lovable psycho...that's part of what draws me to her so strongly......As for your reference to the climatological appeal of Buenos Aires,I'll have the biggest cheshire cat grin in Estado Chihuahua if we see pics of JMDP gently rubbing sun lotion on Dinara while they lounge on the beach:hearts::woohoo:

C. Drone
Jun 29th, 2010, 09:34 AM
lucky boys of Tandil...

DS.Fan.
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:30 PM
I aways tell myself she is professional..the people around her know how to help her..she can find good doctor and physio and she knows what she is doing. She couldn't hurt herself and her tennis career really!However,she kept repating her mistakes again and again.I dread to think what'll happen in the future..I don't wanna think the future.I can't do anything for her..I just love her and hope she is happy..so I have to support her all the time even she has made or gonna make numerous mistakes:help:
Go to San Diego?she has the courage to do that!I believe!:rolleyes:

bruce goose
Jun 29th, 2010, 05:37 PM
It really seems miraculous that Wimby has had so little rain.....Have there been ANY rain delays so far???

Dinayer
Jun 29th, 2010, 05:55 PM
she needs a break. her body needs a break. I think she doesnt understand that. It will get worst and worst, just like Golovin :shrug: :sobbing: