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womensrights
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:39 PM
I'm starting to think the reason Maria wins a lot of matches outside of the grandslams is because of the on court coaching.Today she was totally lost in the second set and when he came on the court after the second set she was a different player in the third.I've seen it happen time and time again with her. I think it really hurts her theres no on court coaching in the grand slams. You would think it wouldn't make much of a difference with the expierience she has but it really seems to!

joão.
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:39 PM
:lol: No.

Pops Maellard
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:41 PM
Most players use on-court coaching so she's not at a disadvantage even if she doesn't have it at the slams. :shrug:

madmax
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:41 PM
LOL...what a fail thread:haha:

Mrs. Dimitrova
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:42 PM
All Michael says to her is "she will fall apart". :lol: :sobbing:

Feyd
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:44 PM
All Michael says to her is "she will fall apart". :lol: :sobbing:

Or "we can beat this b....!" :lol:

crux
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:45 PM
stupid thread

Keegan
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:47 PM
If you want an example of a player being bailed out constantly, then look at Wozniacki.

Jajaloo
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:47 PM
The same Maria that said this about on-court coaching?

"I don't support it. Our sport is an individual sport and you play by instinct. That's what makes it so good, is that you're the one who has to decide what you're going to do."

denny5576
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:48 PM
Today she was totally lost in the second set
Really?
You need to learn a little bit about tennis and Maria then, before attempting again to say something about Maria's tennis

Pops Maellard
Jun 12th, 2010, 02:50 PM
If you want an example of a player being bailed out constantly, then look at Wozniacki.
No, her MTO's when down 3 games in the final set does that more than her on-court coaching. :p

Serena y Monica
Jun 12th, 2010, 03:26 PM
LOL...what a fail thread:haha:


Not so failed...Because it's true. Maria is not a thinker. She has always needed lots of coaching...at one point it was coming from the stands via Yuri...now she gets it legally and it helps her game and apparently calms her nerves. I don't think it's the only reason she wins but for her Safina Ana and others it seems to help them more than others.

narutos
Jun 12th, 2010, 03:29 PM
Shut Up.

madmax
Jun 12th, 2010, 03:33 PM
Not so failed...Because it's true. Maria is not a thinker. She has always needed lots of coaching...at one point it was coming from the stands via Yuri...now she gets it legally and it helps her game and apparently calms her nerves. I don't think it's the only reason she wins but for her Safina Ana and others it seems to help them more than others.

looks like failing is in a genes of some...so now Masha needs some serious help to put away a 19 old girl?:lol: It was only a matter of time before she stops clowning arround and takes that girl seriously - the match was over the moment she started hitting her groundies with authority:wavey:

dany.p
Jun 12th, 2010, 03:34 PM
She has won 3 grandslams without coaching. Explain that.

It also looked like she was going strong in the first set, in whch i presumed she didn't get any coaching. Also, joyce really doesn't give her much to work with. Like "start serving better", i mean really, does she need to be told this?

womensrights
Jun 12th, 2010, 03:34 PM
Its true one year I was at the Indian wells tournament and Michael was telling Yuri what to tell her and he was telling it to her in Russian. Now he isn't there and i'm sure michael doesn't speak russian so tougher to coach her from the stands. I'm just saying in Strasbourg she was down 5 4 first set a break he came on court and i don't think she lost another game. In final in Doha a few years ago after she lost 2nd set to Vera he came on and she won 6 0 in third. Amelia Island Tokyo last year and toronto he has helped her numerous times. Credit to her that she listens and can make the adjustments because a lot of the players can't I'm just thinking maybe she would have beat Kirilenko and i'm sure also Oudin and Dulko is he could have calmed her down in those matches or atleast got her thinking straight.

shega
Jun 12th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Its true one year I was at the Indian wells tournament and Michael was telling Yuri what to tell her and he was telling it to her in Russian. Now he isn't there and i'm sure michael doesn't speak russian so tougher to coach her from the stands. I'm just saying in Strasbourg she was down 5 4 first set a break he came on court and i don't think she lost another game. In final in Doha a few years ago after she lost 2nd set to Vera he came on and she won 6 0 in third. Amelia Island Tokyo last year and toronto he has helped her numerous times. Credit to her that she listens and can make the adjustments because a lot of the players can't I'm just thinking maybe she would have beat Kirilenko and i'm sure also Oudin and Dulko is he could have calmed her down in those matches or atleast got her thinking straight.

That's true. This is not a fail thread at all. Nobody here is saying that Maria cannot win without on-court coaching, so stop making comments like that. What we're saying here is that Sharapova cannot think, cannot understand what tactic is being used against her, and doesn't know what she needs to do different. You see, when she won GS that was her unstoppable form and nobody really had an answer. Now she's world's no. 17 with the same game like back then, she hasn't changed, but her opponents have. So she needs to change some things too and those things vary from the opponent she's playing against. So we have Michael and he can tell what are those things, and he can tell HER what are those things. And she successfully executes them. Proof ? Read the post I quoted.

Volcana
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:12 PM
She has won 3 grandslams without coaching. Explain that.Easy. She's been coached illegally from the stands in every slam she ever played that Yuri attended. Which was, among others, all three she won. People have been complaining about her being coached since 2003. It was one of Dementieva's main objections to having her on the Fed Cup team.

tennnisfannn
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:16 PM
If maria needed on court coaching to beat Alsion Riske, then she has serious problems! Don't forget she had more than 24 hours for thorough coaching against Justine in RG coz their match was suspended. she still lost the third set- that throws your theory out.

ClijstersGOAT
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:38 PM
If maria needed on court coaching to beat Alsion Riske, then she has serious problems! Don't forget she had more than 24 hours for thorough coaching against Justine in RG coz their match was suspended. she still lost the third set- that throws your theory out.

No it does not. Maria started the 3rd set great. I'm not saying I agree with this theory, but this thread is not a fail at all.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:45 PM
ermmmmm he came on at end of 1st set as well, so is that the reason she lost 2nd set then :rolleyes:

WIMBLY2004
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Now she's world's no. 17 with the same game like back then, she hasn't changed, but her opponents have. So she needs to change some things too and those things vary from the opponent she's playing against.

This is just :weirdo: And you talk like the opponents she beat in the past have all the same game and never change and the current opponents have more varieties? yeah right, the girl she beat today have way more varieties than all those champions she beat in the past.

~MashyOwnThemAll
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:52 PM
No. :D

From ESPN Magazine 2009 Jun.

If I where in charge interview:

Give on-court coaches the boot

I would ban all contact with coaches between sets. I'm sure when the male players see coaches walk onto the court during on matches they laugh.


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=4263479

Break My Rapture
Jun 12th, 2010, 05:56 PM
:haha: Making this kind of thread about Maria is just retarded. There are players on the Tour who use the on-court coaching BY FAR more times than Maria does (like Keggz said, see Wozniacki). Maria is not a thinker and that's why she sucks at Slams because they don't allow on-court coaching? :weirdo: Well then explain to me how she won 3 slams? :rolleyes: Jesus some people.

madmax
Jun 12th, 2010, 06:02 PM
this thread is the biggest fail and I can't believe some posters are taking OP's trolling attempts seriously...if you wanna talk about on-ourt coaching, look no further than Wozniacki and Henin, who are communicating with their mentors after EVERY single point

hingisGOAT
Jun 12th, 2010, 06:15 PM
I'll never understand why Sharapova is treated as some GOAT on these boards :rolleyes: Anyway the idea that her game is so one-dimensional that she needs coaching to succeed sounds reasonable enough...

Corswandt
Jun 12th, 2010, 06:31 PM
I'm starting to think the reason Maria wins a lot of matches outside of the grandslams is because of the on court coaching.Today she was totally lost in the second set and when he came on the court after the second set she was a different player in the third.I've seen it happen time and time again with her. I think it really hurts her theres no on court coaching in the grand slams. You would think it wouldn't make much of a difference with the expierience she has but it really seems to!

Lolz. Sharapova was nowhere near being "totally lost" in the 2nd. She just giftwrapped Riske a break and then couldn't break back, even though Riske wasn't otherwise outplaying her.

She has won 3 grandslams without coaching. Explain that.

It also looked like she was going strong in the first set, in whch i presumed she didn't get any coaching. Also, joyce really doesn't give her much to work with. Like "start serving better", i mean really, does she need to be told this?

Quite.

Oncourt coaching is more of an embarrassment for coaches than for the players, as most coaches fail to say anything other than the tritest platitudes or motivational bollocks. Not everyone can have Krajan's or Gunthardt's eye for detail, but how often do you hear a coach say something that is actually useful during these breaks?

Corswandt
Jun 12th, 2010, 06:33 PM
Easy. She's been coached illegally from the stands in every slam she ever played that Yuri attended. Which was, among others, all three she won. People have been complaining about her being coached since 2003. It was one of Dementieva's main objections to having her on the Fed Cup team.

I agree. Sharapova should be stripped of her Wimbledon title forthwith.

But the trauma would still be there, wouldn't it, Volcana?

JamieOwen3
Jun 12th, 2010, 06:34 PM
oh well lol to the thread and my tribute comment to monica seles was used on the WTA Tour site here yaya for me http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/OffCourtNews/Read/0,,12781~2064967,00.html


maria WAS one dimensional she uses variaty a lot more these days the drop shot gets used quite a bit even if she fails a few times she'll still go for it. it doesn't matter what coaching does on court it's MARIA who's hitting that mother f***ing ball!

Maria Croft
Jun 12th, 2010, 07:31 PM
I guess that's why she won so many final sets 6-1 in all those years before on court coaching became legal...oh wait :rolleyes:

Maria just often finds that extra gear for a final set.

Sp!ffy
Jun 12th, 2010, 07:39 PM
Hahah, Sharapova lost her serve ONCE in the second set. I would not call that being "lost".

And just because a player coaches her doesn't mean the coach plays FOR her. It still takes talent to play out there, it's not like Joyce is doing the serve and groundstrokes for her. Besides, what could he possibly tell her that she doesn't know?

And what about Ms. Justine Henin? She would lose every match if her dumb coach wasnt there telling her things in the stands. So, I wouldnt single Maria out if I were you.

And I think its funny how you guys think that a few hand signals from the stands could possibly be enough to win you 3 grand slam titles. Wooow.

WTAtennisfan15
Jun 12th, 2010, 07:41 PM
No no and no, is this a joke or what?
On court coaching has nothing to do with Marias game, because its same for everyone, not just Maria!

terjw
Jun 12th, 2010, 07:42 PM
LOL at the stupidity of anyone who thinks that Maria would have lost the match if it wasn't for those "words of wisdom" from her coach at the end of the 1st set and 2nd set. She just had that one poor service game in the 2nd set. And being grass and Alison serving well - wasn't able to break back. That's the only reason it went to 3 sets.

Izzie.
Jun 12th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Seriously dumb thread.
Maria would not have won 3 GS's if she wasn't smart.
-sigh-
Maria was not lost in the second set, she lost her serve once, calm down.

LOL at the stupidity of anyone who thinks that Maria would have lost the match if it wasn't for those "words of wisdom" from her coach at the end of the 1st set and 2nd set. She just had that one poor service game in the 2nd set. And being grass and Alison serving well - wasn't able to break back. That's the only reason it went to 3 sets.

And yes, this exactly :worship:

JamieOwen3
Jun 12th, 2010, 07:44 PM
Hahah, Sharapova lost her serve ONCE in the second set. I would not call that being "lost".

And just because a player coaches her doesn't mean the coach plays FOR her. It still takes talent to play out there, it's not like Joyce is doing the serve and groundstrokes for her. Besides, what could he possibly tell her that she doesn't know?

And what about Ms. Justine Henin? She would lose every match if her dumb coach wasnt there telling her things in the stands. So, I wouldnt single Maria out if I were you.

And I think its funny how you guys think that a few hand signals from the stands could possibly be enough to win you 3 grand slam titles. Wooow.

couldn't agree more. someone might be a maria hater who watches everything she does because that's what you do when your not a fan isn't it :lol: it doesn't matter with coaching after losing a set like she did in the second her opponent who won that second set was the same player in the third so im not getting the point of this thread it's pathetic!

Serenita
Jun 12th, 2010, 08:07 PM
These Povatards :lol:

Lady
Jun 12th, 2010, 08:18 PM
And what about Ms. Justine Henin? She would lose every match if her dumb coach wasnt there telling her things in the stands. So, I wouldnt single Maria out if I were you.

And I think its funny how you guys think that a few hand signals from the stands could possibly be enough to win you 3 grand slam titles. Wooow.

That's just genius!
So Justine wouldn't win a match without Carlos hand singles, yet for Maria's 3 slams it makes no difference? How about rereading your sentences before you post anything.

There was a thread complaining about Justine after every match she plays, and Maria's fans were all over them, especially after Maria's loss.


Damn, you're 12, right? So it's me being stupid arguing with 12-year-olds again. :(

Vaidisova Ruled
Jun 12th, 2010, 08:31 PM
Please. Mike's advice was "do what you want to do" last year. And it actually reflects most of his advices. Enough said.

Sp!ffy
Jun 12th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Haha, justine henin literally TALKS to her coach during a GS. I hardly have seen Maria get illegal coaching but when she does, its definitely not as much as henin gets or even how.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:00 PM
Not so failed...Because it's true. Maria is not a thinker. She has always needed lots of coaching...at one point it was coming from the stands via Yuri...now she gets it legally and it helps her game and apparently calms her nerves. I don't think it's the only reason she wins but for her Safina Ana and others it seems to help them more than others.

If Maria wasn't a thinker then how do you think she won 3 slam without on-court coaching..!Sometimes I think she calls Michael just to talk with him cause all Michael says to her are "You will beat that Bitch:lol:" and other stuff and says to he to be Tough!!So stop acting like a jerk Cause Maria is a Champ

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:04 PM
That's just genius!
So Justine wouldn't win a match without Carlos hand singles, yet for Maria's 3 slams it makes no difference? How about rereading your sentences before you post anything.

There was a thread complaining about Justine after every match she plays, and Maria's fans were all over them, especially after Maria's loss.


Damn, you're 12, right? So it's me being stupid arguing with 12-year-olds again. :(

Age doesn't matter right???So stop saying to people you are young and stuff cause a young person can be more intelligent than you'll ever be:angel:And About Henin we all know that she stares at her coach to get an approval to see if what she did was right:help:Maria won 3 Slams and doesn't often call the coach to advice her I only remember 4 times till now I've seen Maria call her coach

debby
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Lol @ these Maria fans who act like it's a blasphem to start a thread about their beloved Maria, because she is like the Blessed Virgin, she doesn't do anything wrong, she is perfect !!!!11 :inlove: whereas Justine is a true evil witch who won all her slams with only lucky shots and illegal coaching (you know, Carlos tells her some EVIDENT things such as "serve better" , "go to the net when you need to do " (Justine knows it VERY WELL), " PLAY BETTER "...) ....

7 slams >>>>>>>>> 3 slams
So I think Henin can win Slams without her coach, just like Maria :rolls:

terjw
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:19 PM
Coaching is not the reason Maria or Justine win. It is up to the chair umpire to warn and then penalise a player if a player receives any illegal coaching. Unless Justine or a player actually receive a warning - it is just wining and hot air from posters who are just making excuses that their favourite lost.

JamieOwen3
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:19 PM
THE name tag povatard annoys the fuck out of me! simply because as im someone who's a big fan of a few players like SERENA,VENUS,SELES,HINGIS, and would defend any of them the exact same way if a ridiculous thread like this was opened about them!! so to stop being childish and imature please refrain yourselves from calling maria fans who appreciate other players including some you may like povatards,but ill understand if your maturity doesn't let you!!

JamieOwen3
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:22 PM
no one's perfect BTW and ive not hated on any other player here not henin or anyone simply because i love tennis and i hate haters!! that's why i think these kind of threads are useless and stupid.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:32 PM
So what we are pova lovers What's the matter with it??Doesn't mean we defend her even when she is wrong!!We just tend to look more on the sides that Inspires us to do well in out lives and not the wrong things cause nobody is perfect..!comparing Player its a theme that will make discussions over fans but still it makes us no good..MARIA FANS ARE:angel::worship:

debby
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:49 PM
So what we are pova lovers What's the matter with it??Doesn't mean we defend her even when she is wrong!!We just tend to look more on the sides that Inspires us to do well in out lives and not the wrong things cause nobody is perfect..!comparing Player its a theme that will make discussions over fans but still it makes us no good..MARIA FANS ARE:angel::worship:

:unsure: Aren't you SweetCleo's sister ?

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:51 PM
:unsure: Aren't you SweetCleo's sister ?
:wavey:

Vincey!
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:52 PM
I'm starting to think the reason Maria wins a lot of matches outside of the grandslams is because of the on court coaching.Today she was totally lost in the second set and when he came on the court after the second set she was a different player in the third.I've seen it happen time and time again with her. I think it really hurts her theres no on court coaching in the grand slams. You would think it wouldn't make much of a difference with the expierience she has but it really seems to!

No! Best example 2nd set against Justine at RG :shrug:

debby
Jun 12th, 2010, 09:54 PM
:wavey:

:sobbing: You are still alive.

joão.
Jun 12th, 2010, 10:01 PM
Jeez, this thread is still active? :yawn:

pokey camp
Jun 12th, 2010, 10:34 PM
I guess that's why she won so many final sets 6-1 in all those years before on court coaching became legal...oh wait :rolleyes:

Maria just often finds that extra gear for a final set.

No, no. Maria is incapable of thinking her way through a tough match. ;)

That’s why she has the best 3 set record of any active player (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/life_3set_sgl.pdf). (With more than 50 sets played.) And the 3rd best 3 set record of ALL-TIME just behind Evert and Graf. :shrug:

It’s a funny stat when you consider all the legendary “strategists” and “all-court” players in WTA history. You’d think all their guile and variety would help them make adjustments in the 3rd set so they'd certainly have better 3 set records than Maria. :scratch:

JamieOwen3
Jun 12th, 2010, 11:03 PM
the difference being maria's one of the best fighters out there if she's losing she'll still fight and try to turn it around and people seem to forget just damn good maria played in the slams when she won in straight sets so for this type of thread to be up and still active is kind of annoying since it has no purpose or truth!!!

twight6
Jun 13th, 2010, 01:40 AM
:confused:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=15927705#post15927705

n1_and_uh_noone
Jun 13th, 2010, 01:44 AM
No, no. Maria is incapable of thinking her way through a tough match. ;)

That’s why she has the best 3 set record of any active player (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/life_3set_sgl.pdf). (With more than 50 sets played.) And the 3rd best 3 set record of ALL-TIME just behind Evert and Graf.

Must admit, that is mighty impressive, even better than Serena!

However, I do agree that the younger players who rely on on-court coaching during tour events seem lost in Grand Slam play (eg. Wozniacki, although I really think she is a smart enough kid to figure things out herself, just has gotten used to having the support). I wish they'd do away with it, and ALSO encourage umpires to dish out fines more often for illegal coaching. As much as I love Justine Henin, looking at Carlos so often is way beneath her. Even if it is obvious that some perfunctory signals will not teach you point-to-point strategy.

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 13th, 2010, 02:21 AM
No, no. Maria is incapable of thinking her way through a tough match. ;)

That’s why she has the best 3 set record of any active player (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Rankings_Stats/life_3set_sgl.pdf). (With more than 50 sets played.) And the 3rd best 3 set record of ALL-TIME just behind Evert and Graf. :shrug:

It’s a funny stat when you consider all the legendary “strategists” and “all-court” players in WTA history. You’d think all their guile and variety would help them make adjustments in the 3rd set so they'd certainly have better 3 set records than Maria. :scratch:
Nice stat for Maria, but let's face it. Steffi and Evert over 5 times the amount of tournaments played too.

WIMBLY2004
Jun 13th, 2010, 05:49 AM
Nice stat for Maria, but let's face it. Steffi and Evert over 5 times the amount of tournaments played too.

Nobody is comparing Maria to Steffi and Evert, obviously she is behind them in this stat. But she is ahead of her contemporary players, that's quite impressive.

doni1212
Jun 13th, 2010, 02:09 PM
I thought it would happen again but it didn't. He did manage to help her hold serve more easily in the 2nd game of that final set, :shrug: