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FedererBulgaria
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:49 AM
Lets disscuss!!!:lick:


PS from MTF

InsideOut.
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:51 AM
Hana Mandlikova.

Elldee
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:55 AM
Schiavone.

LOLZ.

spiceboy
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:04 AM
Hana Mandlikova.

No doubt.

Winning 4 Grand Slam tournaments in Chris/Martina era = highest WTA ranking of #3 :sobbing: :help:

jimbo mack
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:06 AM
Hana Mandlikova came straight to my mind, not much of a debate on this one really.

FedererBulgaria
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:44 AM
Maggie Maleeva:lol::kiss:

Kimthebest
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:52 AM
Jana Novotna

:p

MistyGrey
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:13 AM
Mandlikova,Sabatini and Pierce.

crazillo
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:38 AM
Novotna and Mandlikova ;-)

John.
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:40 AM
Mandlikova

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:43 AM
Is it even a question? Mandlikova of course.

AdeyC
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:14 AM
Virginia Wade

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:36 AM
Hana Mandlikova.

No doubt.

Winning 4 Grand Slam tournaments in Chris/Martina era = highest WTA ranking of #3 :sobbing: :help:

Hana Mandlikova came straight to my mind, not much of a debate on this one really.

Mandlikova,Sabatini and Pierce.

Novotna and Mandlikova ;-)

Mandlikova

Is it even a question? Mandlikova of course.

Without question and by a huge margin too.

Hian
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:03 AM
Mandlikova ;)

Volcana
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:19 AM
Virginia WadeMandlikova springs to mind right away, but Wade has a competitive arguement.

Wade - 3 slam singles titles, 55 total singles titles (Court, King, Goolagong era)
Mandlikova - 4 slam singles titles, 27 total singles titles (Evert, Navratliova era.)

Wade also had four slam doubles titles against Mandlikova's one. But 55 total singles titles vs 27 is a pretty big gap in the open era.

Kooyong
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:29 AM
Mandlikova,
Sabatini
Pierce
Wade
Shriver

Ferg
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:32 AM
Hopefully we'll come up with a better answer than Djokovic :tape:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:34 AM
Wozniacki by far.

spiceboy
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:09 PM
Mandlikova springs to mind right away, but Wade has a competitive arguement.

Wade - 3 slam singles titles, 55 total singles titles (Court, King, Goolagong era)
Mandlikova - 4 slam singles titles, 27 total singles titles (Evert, Navratliova era.)

Wade also had four slam doubles titles against Mandlikova's one. But 55 total singles titles vs 27 is a pretty big gap in the open era.

Mandlikova: 4 GS titles in 8 Grand Slam finals
Wade: 3 GS titles in 3 Grand Slam finals

Hana still up there :p

Sexysova
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:40 PM
Mandlikova.

miffedmax
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:46 PM
Wade and Mandlikova from the days when #1 meant something.

Lena D. among active players.

You can make a good case for both, and I have to admit I don't remember Wade as well, but Hana was really amazing. Temperamental as all getout, but absolutely scary when she was on. And those legs...

Wade might have a slight stats edge judging from Volcana's post, but from what I remember of seeing them play, I'd give the edge to Hana.

Though again, different eras, so maybe I should just go with my usual weasel out and say each was the best of her era not to reach #1...:lol:

Anabelcroft
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Shriver

Shriver???She doesn't have any GS singles title compared to the others...Imo,Helena Sukova with her 4 GS singles finals is way more successful than Pam was...

spiceboy
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Well, Hana retired at 28 while Virginia did so at 40. Of course she won many more titles...

Carotastrophe
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:02 PM
Hana and Caroline

Chorophyll
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:03 PM
Mandlikova.

meteor
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Wade and Mandlikova from the days when #1 meant something.



You can make a good case for both, and I have to admit I don't remember Wade as well, but Hana was really amazing. Temperamental as all getout, but absolutely scary when she was on. And those legs...



you thought mandlikova was hot? :eek: wow, i'm just speechless. at any rate, my vote goes to sabatini.

by the way, you didn't think novotna was hot, did you? because that would be just :o.

The Dawntreader
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:38 PM
Mandlikova.

Probably the most talented player of her generation.

goldenlox
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:38 PM
Sveta has 2 slams and played in 4 major finals. She will get in the conversation after she wins another major or 2

Kworb
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:44 PM
Without a doubt Deja Kitchiner.

fouc
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Mary Pierce hasn't even been #2 :sobbing:

miffedmax
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:56 PM
you thought mandlikova was hot? :eek: wow, i'm just speechless. at any rate, my vote goes to sabatini.

by the way, you didn't think novotna was hot, did you? because that would be just :o.

Just her legs. No less an authority than Ginger Rogers said Hana had the best legs since Betty Grable.

ptitnavet
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:12 PM
Mary Pierce and Mandlikova

meteor
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:28 PM
Just her legs. No less an authority than Ginger Rogers said Hana had the best legs since Betty Grable.

oh, come on, you've gotta be making this up :lol:. was ginger rogers even alive when mandlikova was playing? at any rate, i agree with you; her legs were nice but, i need a pretty face and everything else can be forgiven.

for instance, i think pavlyuchenkova is really hot, but mostly because she's pretty. she's put on too much weight for her figure to even figure (pardon the pun) in this discussion.

miffedmax
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:49 PM
The stately, beguiling Mandlikova is obviously the next mega-star of women's sports. No less an authority than Ginger Rogers, a Wimbledon spectator, said Mandlikova has "the most beautiful legs I've ever seen." Yet in this match she was made to appear unattractive by both the nature and the pace of play. Rallies? Two or three shots, max. It was all groaning serve-and-volley stuff with both women rushing along -- Mandlikova-Navratilova, red rova-hurryonova -- as if they had 24 seconds to shoot.

From http://cgi.cnnsi.com/tennis/2001/wimbledon/news/2001/06/15/mcenroe_flashback/

I had the quote wrong, I could have sworn Rogers compared them to Grables. Still, it's hard to argue with Ginger, who knew a thing or two about legs.

propi
Jun 8th, 2010, 03:23 PM
Mandlikova and Conchita :)

nat75
Jun 8th, 2010, 03:32 PM
Mandlikova and Sabatini.

spencercarlos
Jun 8th, 2010, 03:52 PM
Mandlikova and Sabatini.
I feel the same about Hana and Sabatini, at least from the ones i saw play.
Big :rolleyes: at this because Sabatini was "virtually" number one in 1991, if she had skipped German Open 1991, had she won her SF vs Seles at Roland Garros 1991, and even if she had skipped 2 events going into the Usopen 1991. On each of these 3 separated events she would have got the number one ranking. But oh well none of this happened.

Virginia Wade as well considering her slam sucess.


Martinez got her highest ranking at the end of 1995 but it was Graf the one with 3 slams.
Others like Pierce, Kuznetsova were so inconsistent they never really got close.

floco
Jun 8th, 2010, 03:53 PM
OK for Mandlikova, but Pierce as well!!!!

gmak
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Mandlikova obviously...

Gabby and Jana were both just 1 win away :sad: :(

Chorophyll
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:15 PM
I feel the same about Hana and Sabatini, at least from the ones i saw play.
Big :rolleyes: at this because Sabatini was "virtually" number one in 1991, if she had skipped German Open 1991, had she won her SF vs Seles at Roland Garros 1991, and even if she had skipped 2 events going into the Usopen 1991. On each of these 3 separated events she would have got the number one ranking. But oh well none of this happened.

Virginia Wade as well considering her slam sucess.


Martinez got her highest ranking at the end of 1995 but it was Graf the one with 3 slams.
Others like Pierce, Kuznetsova were so inconsistent they never really got close.

If if if. You give Sabatini too much esteem.

A Magicman
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Mandlikova and Pierce seem good choices.

As for Sabatini - I'm glad, that moonballer never made it.

Freakan
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:20 PM
Pennetta, Dokic and Groth.

hankqq
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:21 PM
Mandlikova,
Sabatini
Pierce
Wade
currently: Kuznetsova

Sveta has 2 slams and played in 4 major finals. She will get in the conversation after she wins another major or 2
I would say Kuznetsova is already in the discussion as she is the best not to have been #1 among active players :) None of the other active non-#1's have accomplished as much as her. :shrug:

$uricate
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:49 PM
Tatiana Golovin.

bbjpa
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:09 PM
Vaidisova :haha:

Princeza
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:31 PM
Wozniacki by far.

Definitely.

cherboy
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:52 PM
Wozniacki by far.

she's probably the worst number two ever ^^

nat75
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:03 PM
If if if. You give Sabatini too much esteem.

It's not just "too much esteem" of any sort. It's just facts.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/therace1-1.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/therace4-1.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/therace5-1.jpg

toxina90
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:29 PM
Wade must have had an impressive finals record :eek:

Nicolás89
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:34 PM
King.

JamieOwen3
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:36 PM
kuznetsova has got to be there.

slamchamp
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:42 PM
cornet

Rolling-Thunder
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:04 AM
Hana Mandlikova

spencercarlos
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:11 AM
Mandlikova and Pierce seem good choices.

Plase elaborate on how Pierce was a good choice for the top spot? How close she came? Based on her 1995 Australian Open win, Based on her great clay court run in 2000 or her 2 grand slam run in 2005. Pierce could never really put together many straight weeks of brilliance and dominance.

Mandlikova and Pierce seem good choices.

As for Sabatini - I'm glad, that moonballer never made it.
My "moonballer" leads the old girl in your signature, who in fact was a moonballer herself 8-0, maybe that hurts you some.

That being said you have too look Sabatini´s record in all surfaces 2 YEC Wins, RUs, Usopen WIN, F, AO SF´s, Wimbledon F,SF, Roland Garros SF´s and collection of clay court titles, plus her wins over Graf, Seles, Navratilova, Sanchez Vicario, etc then try to tell us with a straight face that Sabatini was a "moonaballer" :lol:

:wavey:

spencercarlos
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:14 AM
If if if. You give Sabatini too much esteem.
Those were separated events, and i forgot to add a Wimbledon 1991 win :sad: would have sealed it weeks later..
Anyway i can talk about the player that i know. Its not giving her "too much" esteem. She really had 4 clear and separared chances of getting the top spot..

Lin Lin
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:31 AM
What?People,it should be Peng Shuai:smash:

JamieOwen3
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:34 AM
i think the person should atleast have managed to reach the top ten anyone who hasn't shouldn't be in disscusion unless they won a slam and never reached the top ten (has that ever even happened?)

MH0861
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:35 AM
It's funny how accomplished Kuznetsova is when you think about it, but I just don't see her as that good a player, so I never even thought of her in this discussion :lol: Very, very quietly goes about her business, and I seriously doubt she would be mentioned in this type of discussion in 10 years if she still doesn't make it to #1.

égalité
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:55 AM
Mandlikova duh. [/redundant]

Cakeisgood
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:30 AM
Wozniacki by far.

:worship::worship::worship:

Cakeisgood
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:32 AM
Of the current crop, Sveta has a good claim to this actually.

orfgab
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:12 AM
Sabatini and Mandlikova.

Kooyong
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:20 AM
Shriver???She doesn't have any GS singles title compared to the others...Imo,Helena Sukova with her 4 GS singles finals is way more successful than Pam was...

You are correct in highlighting Sukova but the reason for mentioning Shriver is based on two points.

1 - She was in and around the top five during an era that had Evert, Navraliova, Graf, Sabatini.

Pam was highly competitive against those Women and when you look at her doubles record she was not far away from the number 1 ranking.

Kooyong
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:22 AM
Mandlikova obviously...

Gabby and Jana were both just 1 win away :sad: :(

Were they. I was aware that Gabby was a major short of becoming number 1.

Both were top class players

JamieOwen3
Jun 9th, 2010, 10:00 AM
all of the commentators have said svetlana has the talent to be number one and a few of them said in the past that she should have been number one by now,im not sure she ever will though even with 2 slams because she's too inconsistent.

GeeTee
Jun 9th, 2010, 11:35 AM
Laura Robson & Liezl Huber ;)

thongcarmen
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:35 PM
Pierce for sure!!!

Juanes
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:36 PM
Mary Pierce.... when she was on fire she was unbeatable...

OsloErik
Jun 9th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Mandlikova springs to mind right away, but Wade has a competitive arguement.

Wade - 3 slam singles titles, 55 total singles titles (Court, King, Goolagong era)
Mandlikova - 4 slam singles titles, 27 total singles titles (Evert, Navratliova era.)

Wade also had four slam doubles titles against Mandlikova's one. But 55 total singles titles vs 27 is a pretty big gap in the open era.

No doubt.

Winning 4 Grand Slam tournaments in Chris/Martina era = highest WTA ranking of #3 :sobbing: :help:

Worth noting, though: Mandlikova's two Aussie titles were played without Evert at the event, and her '87 Aussie was without Graf in the field. Beating a field of Navratilova, ancient Evonne, Wendy Turnbull, and Mima Jausovec (1980 Aussie) and a field of Navratilova, Pam Shriver, and Helena Sukova is quite different than REALLY playing all your slams against Evert and Navratilova.

That said, I couldn't find full draw sheets for Wade's three slam titles, but I know that she overlapped with Evert twice, and Court, King, and Goolagong a few times. Strangely, in an era chock-full of Aussies, it looks like she played a fairly weak Aussie field in '72, but the rest were very, very strong tournaments.

OsloErik
Jun 9th, 2010, 05:57 PM
all of the commentators have said svetlana has the talent to be number one and a few of them said in the past that she should have been number one by now,im not sure she ever will though even with 2 slams because she's too inconsistent.

She was quite close for a good stretch. In fact, had Henin retired about a month earlier, Kuznetsova would have been #1 in the world. Instead, we got one-slam wonder Ana Ivanovic, with her 14 months of good form in her entire career, inheriting the #1 ranking.