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delicatecutter
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:20 PM
What do you think? :D

I think Aga will have a good chance at Wimbledon once the WS retire.

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:22 PM
Radwanska will never win anything. Wozniacki, sadly, will.

AnywhereButHome
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:36 PM
Aga.

AnywhereButHome
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:36 PM
Radwanska will never win anything. Wozniacki, sadly, will.

:(

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:39 PM
What a sad question

Russianboy
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:39 PM
Radwanska will never win anything. Wozniacki, sadly, will.

thats harsh, but :lol:

Slutati
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:41 PM
Aga will never win a slam. :sad: Such a shame. I have a feeling Caro is winning one next year.

Craig.
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:41 PM
Radwanska will never win anything. Wozniacki, sadly, will.

This.

Caipirinha Guy
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:46 PM
OK guys? Would you tell Schiavone will win a slam a week ago? :lol:


I think Aga will have a good chance at Wimbledon once the WS retire.

This. I think Agnieszka is currently the fourth best player on this surface after Venus, Serena and Justine. She proved it having a very good, consistent record on the grass tournaments - Eastbourne and Wimbledon. As for now, Williamses are still not to beat for her but once they retire I would see Aga winning this slam - but only this.

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:46 PM
Hopefully someone will come along and prevent both from winning slams.

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:48 PM
OK guys? Would you tell Schiavone will win a slam a week ago? :lol:

This. I think Agnieszka is currently the fourth best player on this surface after Venus, Serena and Justine. She proved it having a very good, consistent record on the grass tournaments - Eastbourne and Wimbledon. A

What the heck? 4th????? Ahead of Sharapova, Clijsters, Dementieva, Bartoli (although she's had one run really, but it was more impressive than anything Radwanska did)? :spit: She is not 4th by a long stretch.

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:01 PM
A Grand Slam means T1 for them, right?

MaBaker
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:13 PM
God forbid.

Caipirinha Guy
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:23 PM
What the heck? 4th????? Ahead of Sharapova, Clijsters, Dementieva? :spit: She is not 4th by a long stretch.

Dementieva in her long career made only twice to SF. Agnieszka played Wimbledon 4 times so far and was beaten only by good players like Clijsters, Kuznetsova and both Williamses. OK, I would give an edge to Maria - so Aga's 5th but she'd still be able to beat Pova on grass.

zhengjie_lina
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:24 PM
aga will fall
caro will stay there as long as she competes 30 tourmaments a year
caro will win a slam before aga retires
thank you

Nikkiri
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:27 PM
aga will fall
caro will stay there as long as she competes 30 tourmaments a year
caro will win a slam before aga retires
thank you

you're welcome!

matty
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:28 PM
Hopefully someone will come along and prevent both from winning slams.

:lol:

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:33 PM
Dementieva in her long career made only twice to SF. Agnieszka played Wimbledon 4 times so far and was beaten only by good players like Clijsters, Kuznetsova and both Williamses. OK, I would give an edge to Maria - so Aga's 5th but she'd still be able to beat Pova on grass.


Only twice? :spit: How many times has Radwanska made it to that stage? ZERO.

Radwanska can't ever dream of beating the WS on grass (she's been murdered both times she's played them), something that Elena has at least come close to doing last year.

No, not 5th. Not even 6th, as Kim is way ahead of her. And that's not even mentioning players like Petrova, Jankovic...

Oh, anyone can beat Maria on grass when she plays like shit. Doesn't mean Radwanska is anywhere near as good as Peak Sharapova.

Edy.
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:38 PM
Caro, for sure.

Russianboy
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:42 PM
OK guys? Would you tell Schiavone will win a slam a week ago? :lol:



This. I think Agnieszka is currently the fourth best player on this surface after Venus, Serena and Justine. She proved it having a very good, consistent record on the grass tournaments - Eastbourne and Wimbledon. As for now, Williamses are still not to beat for her but once they retire I would see Aga winning this slam - but only this.

:spit: what?

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:44 PM
Radwanska will never win anything. Wozniacki, sadly, will.

Hopefully someone will come along and prevent both from winning slams.

These.

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:47 PM
:lol:

Radwanska would probably be worse than Wozzzzz

Heck she was overpowered by Caro in IW this year :o This match is like throwback to the '80s or something?

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Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:48 PM
:( The fact that this is an actual serious thread really highlights the sad state of the tour right now.

In an ideal world, that would read "Who will win a Tier II first?"

danieln1
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Iīm sorry but Radwanska is a second tier Wozniacki, Caroline just do everything better than her...

So Caro will win the US Open or Wimbledon first...

danieln1
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:53 PM
Radwanska would probably be worse than Wozzzzz

Heck she was overpowered by Caro in IW this year :o This match is like throwback to the '80s or something?

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This match seems itīs in slow motion! :haha: :haha: :haha:

Ferg
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:54 PM
:sobbing:

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:17 PM
OK guys? Would you tell Schiavone will win a slam a week ago? :lol:



.No one saw that coming. So there is luck involved. But I think Caro has the better chance

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:19 PM
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What the hell is this ? :spit:

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:20 PM
What the hell is this ? :spit:That's the match after Aga beat Dementieva and Caro bageled Nadia

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:21 PM
That's the match after Aga beat Dementieva and Caro bageled Nadia

Nadia :o

Dementieva :o

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:22 PM
This match seems itīs in slow motion! :haha: :haha: :haha:
Seriously. :help: The amount of time both girls have on the ball, they could go and have a barbeque and then come back and the ball wouldn't have reached them yet. What the fuck. :crying2:

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:22 PM
Nadia :o

Dementieva :oThey weren't good enough. Neither match was close, I saw both of them
And Caro beating Aga wasn't close also

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:23 PM
That's the match after Aga beat Dementieva and Caro bageled Nadia

And ?

The tennis played is still slow as hell and I donīt see Dementieva or Petrova in the video

The Dawntreader
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:56 PM
A shame that this 'new breed' will probably win Slams by pure opportunism, rather than facing the beast head on.

People will always throw the saying around:

'You can only beat those in front of you'.

True, but can they beat the players infront of those who you are facing? Because sooner or later, it'll have to happen.

Caipirinha Guy
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:57 PM
Only twice? :spit: How many times has Radwanska made it to that stage? ZERO.
Dementieva has made her first quarter at her 8th Wimbledon. Radwanska made it with during her 3th Wimbledon. She would make semi but she had to face WS and of course I don't tell she's better than them now - maybe Elena was close to beat Serena last year but Aga would beat Elena with her genuine game on grass.


No, not 5th. Not even 6th, as Kim is way ahead of her. And that's not even mentioning players like Petrova, Jankovic...
Petrova? Eastbourne final 2008? Janković? What she has made on grass? She's never passed 4th round.

austennis
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:01 AM
I actually liked that video of the match, sure they are not as powerful or as strong as the Williams sisters or the Clijsters of the world but they also do hit the ball well, put in some enjoyable rallys and played on the whole court and not just from the baseline - they represent diversity in the game and IMO thats a good thing. I hope they both can win slams but expect Caro to be 1st

delicatecutter
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:05 AM
I thought the IW match was pretty competitive; unfortunately Aga was horrible on her BPs. :o She also played right into Caro's hands by trying to rally with her.

Mrs. Dimitrova
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:05 AM
I have a feeling this thread will get bumped sometime in the future. :tears:

Chorophyll
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:07 AM
I thought the IW match was pretty competitive; unfortunately Aga was horrible on her BPs. :o She also played right into Caro's hands by trying to rally with her.

Yes because Radwanska has the ability to end numerous points in less than 5 shots. :rolleyes:

nevetssllim
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:08 AM
Hopefully neither of them.

Natsu
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:09 AM
I think Caro might it first, only because she has better result than Aga at her age and reached high number 2, she is a very consistent:)

cellophane
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:20 AM
Dementieva has made her first quarter at her 8th Wimbledon. Radwanska made it with during her 3th Wimbledon. She would make semi but she had to face WS and of course I don't tell she's better than them now - maybe Elena was close to beat Serena last year but Aga would beat Elena with her genuine game on grass.


Petrova? Eastbourne final 2008? Janković? What she has made on grass? She's never passed 4th round.


OK, fair enough, Elena has had cushy draws to reach her SFs. Maybe Radwanska has beaten Petrova / Dementieva, but it doesn't make her a better grasscourt player at all. Unlike Radwanska, I would say these 2 actually have a better chance to beat the other contenders on grass. Heck, Jankovic has at least beaten Venus (in what wasn't her best match by far, true, but she always troubles Venus everywhere)

Curtos07
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:40 AM
I never thought of Radwanska as a slam contender. Maybe Wozniacki, but definitely not A-Rad.

Chakvenus
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:19 AM
i hope Aga!!

Lord Choc Ice
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:44 AM
I really don't think either of them will. Or hope rather, since they're both a couple of moonballers.

Although, Aga is the lesser of the two evils.

Lord Choc Ice
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:02 AM
Seriously. :help: The amount of time both girls have on the ball, they could go and have a barbeque and then come back and the ball wouldn't have reached them yet. What the fuck. :crying2:
Someone SO needs to make an animated Gif of that! How amazing that would be.

Caro hits a shot (probably her trademark forehand moonball), then opponent turns around and cooks a barbeque, and then turns around and hits it back. :speakles:

Lachy
Jun 7th, 2010, 06:54 AM
Someone SO needs to make an animated Gif of that! How amazing that would be.

Caro hits a shot (probably her trademark forehand moonball), then opponent turns around and cooks a barbeque, and then turns around and hits it back. :speakles:

:haha: That would be good to watch.

TennisFan66
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:15 AM
Hopefully someone will come along and prevent both from winning slams.


Alien invasion?

As to the question: Caro ..

MAGIKARPETTA
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:34 AM
Aga will never win a GS

claypova
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:36 AM
I hope the for the last choice, but i think Caro will win it b4 Aga will

cellophane
Jun 7th, 2010, 12:54 PM
Someone SO needs to make an animated Gif of that! How amazing that would be.

Caro hits a shot (probably her trademark forehand moonball), then opponent turns around and cooks a barbeque, and then turns around and hits it back. :speakles:

:spit:

The 2nd Law
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:06 PM
My tennis knowledge is shit, but could somebody please explain to me what the fuck there is in Aga's game that suits grass, at all? At least Caro has a decent-ish serve, I just don't get why Aga has been pretty consistent at Wimbledon. Don't get me wrong, not bashing the girl, it's probably more of a reflection of my tennis knowledge.

AcesHigh
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:08 PM
I don't think Caro will ever win a slam... so Aga.
If Aga can add some beef to her game, she has the natural instincts and variety to do some damage I think.

Chorophyll
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:19 PM
I don't think Caro will ever win a slam... so Aga.
If Aga can add some beef to her game, she has the natural instincts and variety to do some damage I think.

And what has Radwanska added to her game since her emergence? Absolutely nothing.

Even if she had the capacity to add some "beef" it doesn't automatically mean she will win anything. Radwanska is simply not disruptive enough with her game style to win anything.

AndreConrad
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:25 PM
Agnieszka is my favorite player so I wish her to win the slam before Caroline. Having said that she has to win a slam period. She is going through a transitional period from which she will either came out a better player or will never come out of it. I hope for the former. The best of luck to both of them nevertheless :yeah:

John.
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:27 PM
Hopefully neither of them :shrug:

Apoleb
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:36 PM
And what has Radwanska added to her game since her emergence? Absolutely nothing.

Even if she had the capacity to add some "beef" it doesn't automatically mean she will win anything. Radwanska is simply not disruptive enough with her game style to win anything.

I kinda like Radwanska and she gets some unwarranted slack, but there's almost no doubt in my mind that Woz will be the more accomplished player. Radwanska is so fragile and her racket head speed is so pathetic that I'm actually surprised she's anywhere near the top 20. :tape:

Apoleb
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:42 PM
Someone SO needs to make an animated Gif of that! How amazing that would be.

Caro hits a shot (probably her trademark forehand moonball), then opponent turns around and cooks a barbeque, and then turns around and hits it back. :speakles:

The same thing can be said about Radwanska's second serve. :tape:

Hian
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:43 PM
Is this a joke?
No one :wavey:

AcesHigh
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:44 PM
And what has Radwanska added to her game since her emergence? Absolutely nothing.

Even if she had the capacity to add some "beef" it doesn't automatically mean she will win anything. Radwanska is simply not disruptive enough with her game style to win anything.

True, the difference is I just think Aga has much more room for improvement whereas I don't think we'll see more change from Caro.

I think Caro will be more accomplished and have more success.. I just think Aga has a chance of developing later and winning an AO title at some point possibly when the field is much weaker.

delicatecutter
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:57 PM
My tennis knowledge is shit, but could somebody please explain to me what the fuck there is in Aga's game that suits grass, at all? At least Caro has a decent-ish serve, I just don't get why Aga has been pretty consistent at Wimbledon. Don't get me wrong, not bashing the girl, it's probably more of a reflection of my tennis knowledge.

She has good anticipiation. Also her strokes are pretty compact so she doesn't need a lot of time to set up so this is helpful on grasscourts. She has a decent slice, decent volley. She just has a good all-court game.

Apoleb
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:16 PM
She has good anticipiation. Also her strokes are pretty compact so she doesn't need a lot of time to set up so this is helpful on grasscourts. She has a decent slice, decent volley. She just has a good all-court game.

Actually the thing is she has very good shot selection, imagination and natural court instinct. On slower surfaces, she uses those qualities mostly to come up with defensive junk. The faster surfaces require her to be more assertive in her shot selection as she has no time to chase ball and play defensive junk anyhow. But her serve is so useless on the surface that she'll never do anything worthwhile at Wimbledon.

Mistress of Evil
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:27 PM
Neither of them willshould win a Slam.
Corrected.;)
But having in mind that Schiavone won, at least one of the Polish pushers might hold a GS title:tape:

moby
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:34 PM
And what has Radwanska added to her game since her emergence? Absolutely nothing.

Even if she had the capacity to add some "beef" it doesn't automatically mean she will win anything. Radwanska is simply not disruptive enough with her game style to win anything.Yes.

Radwanska has good anticipation, but I think her court craft is overrated. It comprises mainly of shortening play to the forecourt with her dinky (and rather hit-and-miss dropshots) shots so that she can edge out her opponents (virtually all of who possess poor net skills) with experience there and unsettle them enough.

On grass, her compact shots and blocktastic technique (which comprises of an awkward knee bent) helps with the irregular low bounce and allows her to take advantage of her contemporaries who actually swing and hit through the ball. Grass also helps with her dinky shots.

A Radwanska-Date match-up on grass should tell us exactly how much skill Radwanska has on the surface.


I dug out some of my old posts on a similar topic:
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=393435

Both these players are boring. Radwanska tries to do more on the court, but her execution on those dropshots are generally woeful. She also has these really awkward set-up on her groundstrokes, like she's guiding the ball rather than actually hitting it (and not in a good way). This means she can do occasionally surprising change of directions but her shots have. no. weight. at. all.

Caro hits a heavier ball and has a better serve, so her game is less penetrable. I think she's a better player and a better student of the game (not in the sense of on-court tactics, which are very rudimentary still and limited by her technique, but in the sense of grasping weaknesses in the opponents etc. and doing what it takes to win) and she also has more room for improvement. A-Rad is pretty much the finished product, and when everything comes together, she can play a great match, but this is will come as a happy coincidence of stars aligning rather than any actual control on her part.

I'm not convinced she will learn to return those groundstrokes. Her technique is pretty much "blocking" the ball and "scooping" it without hitting through the ball, and with a technique like that, you cannot handle heavy and powerful shots without excellent touch a la Mauresmo. This excellent touch Radwanska does not possess. In particular she does not hit with enough spin to control the ball. I do agree she anticipates play well, but her game is largely reactionary (much like Wozniacki's) and I've not seen her adjust her game when it's clear what she's doing is not working (re: missing the powerful shots from her opponents). So she remains largely as an opportunist.

As I said, point by point (on court tactics), Radwanska trumps Wozniacki, but over the span of the match, I think Wozniacki has the edge. The sum is not greater than its parts in Radwanksa's case. A lot of times Radwanka does that weird quirky blocked angle, or a sudden DTL, on the defense and that's interesting to watch in terms of point construction, but how many times does she just miss the mark or flub the shot? I think this shows either a certain misunderstanding of the limits of her own game or the acknowledgement that these failed risks are the best she can do. When it comes to discussions such as these, I'm actually partial towards Woz, because at least there are no pretensions that she has an intelligent game. :lol:

Madoka
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:24 PM
i dont see both of them winning a slam,but untill 3 days ago i didnt see neither Francesca winning a Slam..so..if i had to choose between one of then i'd say Wozniacki...but i dont like her tennis that much :s Radwanksa has a better one :s

ElusiveChanteuse
Dec 11th, 2011, 09:37 AM
Caro :cheer: