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A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:28 PM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:29 PM
How horrible was she exactly?

I'm sure the reason she sells tickets now is not the quality of her tennis.

NadalSharapova
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:30 PM
well tennis really wasn't her speciality. She only used tennis for publicity.

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:35 PM
well tennis really wasn't her speciality. She only used tennis for publicity.

:lol: Well that's true but I thought with a Wimbly Semi, multiple GS Doubles Champion, Miami Runner-up and former top ten player, she really could play tennis :o But yeah her FH is a mess, her serve was worse than Pin's, her movement was like a one-leg Hantuchova on clay and she really fucked up everything.

But I have to say that Scarlett Werner girl was really not bad :)

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:37 PM
It's not surprising.. it's not like she trains seriously for these exhibitions.... :shrug:

Sexysova
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:39 PM
she used to be a great player, especially in doubles, loved to watch her, of course, she's shit now and I doubt players play their best tennis in exhibitions of this type.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:43 PM
I figured with her playing Wimbledon Legends doubles with Hingis, she would have practiced a lot.
I've seen Anna in some WTT, and she was okay except for her serve

cellophane
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:46 PM
Completely forgot she is playing doubles with Wingis. Martina will be :mad: at her if she messes shit up.

tennisbum79
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:52 PM
Completely forgot she is playing doubles with Wingis. Martina will be :mad: at her if she messes shit up.
She will embarass Martina on court.

In mix-doubles, the woman messing up is not as visible.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:55 PM
If Hingis has to make all the big shots, she'll probably enjoy that

miffedmax
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:36 PM
She quit playing for real because she couldn't. Her back is totally effed up, so her game is going to be limited.

tennisbum79
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:39 PM
Any video of this?

madmax
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:48 PM
nope...Miss Kournikova was the best thing which happened to WTA in the 90's:bowdown:

oddkayla
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:05 PM
I actually miss her somehow. I liked the trash talking of the 90s and early 2000s. These days the girls are so bland! Then people used to be so fired up for matches. It was about pride. Now eveeryone is about the fame, while not really working to bring more seats to stadiums and more eyeballs to screens!
And even though back then i was very critical of AK, i think she was a fairly good player who was burdened by her celebrity. She really should have won at least a singles tournament. The more time passed without winning it, the harder it became.. much like it seems to be now for Elena Dementieva and Jelena Jankovic at slams.

frenchie
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:28 PM
She was good

Leave the girl alone
She hasn't played tennis seriously for 7 years now

Kworb
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:42 PM
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MakarovaFan
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:49 PM
:lol: Well that's true but I thought with a Wimbly Semi, multiple GS Doubles Champion, Miami Runner-up and former top ten player, she really could play tennis :o But yeah her FH is a mess, her serve was worse than Pin's, her movement was like a one-leg Hantuchova on clay and she really fucked up everything.

But I have to say that Scarlett Werner girl was really not bad :)

You do realize she "retired" more than 6 years ago and is no longer a professional nor trained player.....

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:52 PM
You do realize she "retired" more than 6 years ago and is no longer a professional nor trained player.....And is a birthday girl June 7th

faboozadoo15
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:56 PM
If Hingis has to make all the big shots, she'll probably enjoy that

IF? Even at their respective best, Hingis was doing all the damage.

Aaron.
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:58 PM
:lol: Well that's true but I thought with a Wimbly Semi, multiple GS Doubles Champion, Miami Runner-up and former top ten player, she really could play tennis :o But yeah her FH is a mess, her serve was worse than Pin's, her movement was like a one-leg Hantuchova on clay and she really fucked up everything.

But I have to say that Scarlett Werner girl was really not bad :)

:haha: :spit:

Nicolás89
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:13 PM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.

Ehh? What?

I thought no one could play any worser than Seles in the Canadian Open exhibition last year. :o

dybbuk
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:17 PM
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Amazing points in there. :hearts:

TheAllan
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:29 PM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.
We only have your account of how bad she supposedly is. Unless some footage surfaces, I have my doubts that she was as bad as you make her out to be.

Vincey!
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:35 PM
She won 7-5 4-6 10-8 against that Werner in an exo yesterday lol....

AnomyBC
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:05 AM
She was actually a much better player than most people give her credit for. She reached the Top 10 in singles against a pretty strong field, she reached a slam semifinal and she won many doubles titles including 2 grand slam titles. The only reason she never won a singles title is that she didn't play enough minor tournaments.

Also, it's worth mentioning that she helped inspire a lot of other young Russian girls to enter the sport, and the tour has benefited greatly from that.

skanky~skanketta
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:14 AM
She was actually a much better player than most people give her credit for. She reached the Top 10 in singles against a pretty strong field, she reached a slam semifinal and she won many doubles titles including 2 grand slam titles. The only reason she never won a singles title is that she didn't play enough minor tournaments.

Also, it's worth mentioning that she helped inspire a lot of other young Russian girls to enter the sport, and the tour has benefited greatly from that.
And without Anna, no way in hell would Sharapova/Kirilenko be as famous outside of tennis as they are now. Anna was one-in-a-million. She oozed sex appeal and she knew it. And she worked it.

tonybotz
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:23 AM
And without Anna, no way in hell would Sharapova/Kirilenko be as famous outside of tennis as they are now. Anna was one-in-a-million. She oozed sex appeal and she knew it. And she worked it.

exactly right. but everyone hates the prettiest girl in the room. and Anna K gave credibility and belief and inspiration to countless younger russian player, many of whom are the stars of today.

edificio
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:27 AM
Get a grip! Everyone knows that she isn't a professional tennis player anymore. She's playing just as a part of an exhibition. She was a good player once. Her play now says nothing about tennis at the moment, so I don't think it is a shame for tennis or anyone.

faboozadoo15
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:29 AM
The only reason she never won a singles title is that she didn't play enough minor tournaments.


That's actually untrue. Anna played plenty of MM tournaments but always came up short. The ridiculous media pressure surrounding her inability to win a title was what held her back. In 02' she played 6 tournaments below the Tier 2 level.

LeonHart
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:30 AM
She won 7-5 4-6 10-8 against that Werner in an exo yesterday lol....

She did? I thought Werner was trying to make a comeback :tape:

LeonHart
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:31 AM
That's actually untrue. Anna played plenty of MM tournaments but always came up short. The ridiculous media pressure surrounding her inability to win a title was what held her back. In 02' she played 6 tournaments below the Tier 2 level.

When the media makes a big fuss out of it, it'll eventually get in your head. I think that's what happened to Anna. If she can make the semis of Wimbledon she surely can win a MM title.

delicatecutter
Jun 7th, 2010, 02:46 AM
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Dani looks so young. :awww:

spec7er
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:05 AM
She had a couple of tier 1 finals and lost to the elite players. It was maybe later in her career that the thought of playing MM events, to win that elusive 1st title became an option. But it didn't help that during that time, she was being tagged by media as the hot tennis player who hasn't won a title.

It did make sense then that she didn't play the MM events, 'cause she was pretty competitive at the top tier events. Nobody at the time would've guessed that she'd retire without a title to her name, be it at an MM event or a top tier one. Her career, I would think, is a lesson to the generation of players, marketed as heavily as she was.

Wiggly
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:37 AM
And without Anna, no way in hell would Sharapova/Kirilenko be as famous outside of tennis as they are now. Anna was one-in-a-million. She oozed sex appeal and she knew it. And she worked it.

Kournikova is sitll probably more famous than Sharapova and Kirilenko isn't really famous, is she? Kournikova was/is tennis' #1 sex symbol.

Direwolf
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:10 AM
she should come back and win the first ever French Open
n Versailles next year!!

Caralenko
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:15 AM
Wingis/Anna was a great team. Can't wait to see them on a tennis court again :D

So Disrespectful
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:42 AM
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Thank you for that lovely video of Danka :hearts:

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:45 AM
That's actually untrue. Anna played plenty of MM tournaments but always came up short. The ridiculous media pressure surrounding her inability to win a title was what held her back. In 02' she played 6 tournaments below the Tier 2 level.

:bs:
Before getting unjured in 2001 Kournikova had played only 5 MM tournaments (1 in 1995, 1 in 1996, 1 in 1999, 2 in 2000).

Slutiana
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:54 AM
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They were so good together. :tears:

Going to try my best to get a front row seat to watch them at this Wimbledon. :lol:

Navratil
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:59 AM
They promoted Kournikova in Bielefeld/Gütersloh (Germany) where the Gerry-Weber-Open take place as well as Roger Federer. I've seen her exhibition last year. She was not at her peak. But still: You can tell by her strokes that she used to be a very good player. I've seen Seles in an exhibition with Navratilova and she looked horrible. Not all the retired players are a joy to watch. Probably because not everybody's got that natural talent like a Navratilova. And the "tennis-workers" kinda fell apparat when they stop working hard after their pro-career. But why is that a shame for Women's tennis? Nobody expects world class tennis in a mixed exhibition :-D

Beat
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:12 AM
I'm sure the reason she sells tickets now is not the quality of her tennis.

... or ever ...

chuvack
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:20 AM
Amazing that people thought she was attractive with that piggy nose and eyes. Among Russians she was never anything special at all..

fervor
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:23 AM
I'm not sure why people are saying that Kournikova was such a poor player. She was ranked #8 at one point in her career and has a ton of doubles titles. Sure she had some flaws, but it's possible to argue that Anna is one of the most influential and/or famous tennis players of all time.

donniedarkofan
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:30 AM
Amazing that people thought she was attractive with that piggy nose and eyes. Among Russians she was never anything special at all..

Yeah, right. Just another average looking Russian girl. You wish!!!

http://celebrities.biteus.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Anna-Kournikova3.jpg
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fervor
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:38 AM
She is very attractive for an athlete and I think that's a major reason why she is considered so attractive. She's not just a pretty face.

LostGlory
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Whatever reminded you guys of Kournikova now.....

LostGlory
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:52 AM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.
You crack me up:lol:......its ok its only an exhibition match.....:)

Jeff
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:44 AM
Yeah considering it is only an exhibition, and since she has been away from professional tennis for what...eight years? A bit too much expectations. Still will be fun to have her and Martina playing at Wimbledon.

Matt01
Jun 7th, 2010, 11:13 AM
:bs:
Before getting unjured in 2001 Kournikova had played only 5 MM tournaments (1 in 1995, 1 in 1996, 1 in 1999, 2 in 2000).


:bs:

So when she played 5 MM tourneys before her injury, and 6 MMs after her injury started, that makes it 11 overall and that's plenty.

ys
Jun 7th, 2010, 01:40 PM
She was wonderful player and she contributed enormously to game becoming popular. So..

Happy birthday, the most influential tennis player of our Era.. :aparty: , :hearts:

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:40 PM
That's actually untrue. Anna played plenty of MM tournaments but always came up short. The ridiculous media pressure surrounding her inability to win a title was what held her back. In 02' she played 6 tournaments below the Tier 2 level.
That was already after her peak and when the pressure was at an all-time high. She should have been doing that much more in her breakout years on tour.

But I guess hindsight is always 20/20.

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:43 PM
P.S. The OP is an idiot. :)

vesanto
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:44 PM
Please, she has retired ages ago, what are you expecting? When she was playing and fully fit, she had a really nice and complete game. She should have won some tournaments but the fact is that she quit too soon...just look at Schiavone, she won her 1st tournament really late in her career and now she is a Grand Slam champion. Sometimes is also a matter of luck and I think Kournikova did not have that on her side. Obviously the off court attention also got into her and played a major role but I always think people underestimate her tennis abilities.

KBdoubleu
Jun 7th, 2010, 03:56 PM
That's actually untrue. Anna played plenty of MM tournaments but always came up short. The ridiculous media pressure surrounding her inability to win a title was what held her back. In 02' she played 6 tournaments below the Tier 2 level.

Are you joking? Kournikova played only a handful of smaller tournaments before getting that stress fracture injury to her foot in '01. She actually started off that season pretty well (quarters of the AO, taking sets off Davenport and Mauresmo in her subsequent losses) - but was never the same after her surgery. To give '02 as an example of her not being able to win a "MM" is ridiculous - she lost in the first round of every major that year - her level of play was no where near what it was when she was playing well. When she was playing well, she certainly could have won a title.

Matt01
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:09 PM
She could have won a title. Fact is she didn't. And she also played several MM tourneys before her injury.

Boreas
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:13 PM
The only time I saw her playing she was moonballing vs Tina Pisnik. Small wonder she never won anything noteworthy with that game

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:14 PM
The only time I saw her playing she was moonballing vs Tina Pisnik.
I don't think I could pick a less accurate term to describe the way Kournikova played. :o

Mashabator
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:15 PM
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:bowdown: :worship: Amaze, same with the lindsay/anna match!

faboozadoo15
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:17 PM
:bs:
Before getting unjured in 2001 Kournikova had played only 5 MM tournaments (1 in 1995, 1 in 1996, 1 in 1999, 2 in 2000).

SIX in 2002....

Boreas
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:19 PM
I don't think I could pick a less accurate term to describe the way Kournikova played. :o

That's how she played that match.:shrug: It didn't pay off.

KBdoubleu
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:22 PM
SIX in 2002....

Yeah, we get that. 2002 was AFTER the stress fracture surgery that destroyed her career. Kournikova's play in 2002 was not representative of her level of play through out the rest of her career. In 2002 she was not good enough to win a MM, before her injury in '01 - she was. As a Seles fan you should know the damage a stress fracture can do to one's career.

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Yeah, we get that. 2002 was AFTER the stress fracture surgery that destroyed her career. Kournikova's play in 2002 was not representative of her level of play through out the rest of her career. In 2002 she was not good enough to win a MM, before her injury in '01 - she was. As a Seles fan you should know the damage a stress fracture can do to one's career.
Yeah really faboo, what's with you? :lol:

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:32 PM
That's how she played that match.:shrug: It didn't pay off.
And I'm just telling you that's not how she plays. :shrug:

MakarovaFan
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:54 PM
:bs:

So when she played 5 MM tourneys before her injury, and 6 MMs after her injury started, that makes it 11 overall and that's plenty.
Somebody us insistent.....im sorry 5 events in a FOUR year span is hardly plenty lmao. The woman played what 5 Finals(3 of which were Tier 1), Semis of a major,Ranked Top 8 and defeated just about all of her peers. If you watched videos of her play you will easily she that she deserved all the hype she got.....she had more talent in her pinky than most players have period,its too bad a few points her or there in a few finals,bad luck with injuries and taking her early career sucess for granted all kind of flawed her "legacy"

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:05 PM
I figured with her playing Wimbledon Legends doubles with Hingis, she would have practiced a lot.
I've seen Anna in some WTT, and she was okay except for her serve
Sounds like the same ol' Anna to me. :shrug:

rockstar
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:23 PM
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great tennis, and LOL at BJK going whooo everytime someone hits a nice volley :lol:

PLP
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:27 PM
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Wow, that's the first time I have seen this.
Amazing play from all 4.
:worship:

Martina has such quick hands and Anna just put the ball AWAY!

Super Dave
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:29 PM
:hearts:

Carsten
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:21 PM
She did? I thought Werner was trying to make a comeback :tape:

No they didn't play singles that's the mixed score... And Anna should thank Kiwi for the win :lol:;)

Matt01
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:29 PM
Somebody us insistent.....im sorry 5 events in a FOUR year span is hardly plenty lmao. The woman played what 5 Finals(3 of which were Tier 1), Semis of a major,Ranked Top 8 and defeated just about all of her peers. If you watched videos of her play you will easily she that she deserved all the hype she got.....she had more talent in her pinky than most players have period,its too bad a few points her or there in a few finals,bad luck with injuries and taking her early career sucess for granted all kind of flawed her "legacy"


I have seen Kournikova lots of times, live and on TV, and IMO she is the most overrated player in the history of tennis. The hype around her because of her "look" was almost unbearable. No matter where she played, she was practically always put on the Centre Court, so that the other players were already complaining. :tape:

meteor
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:24 PM
I have seen Kournikova lots of times, live and on TV, and IMO she is the most overrated player in the history of tennis. The hype around her because of her "look" was almost unbearable. No matter where she played, she was practically always put on the Centre Court, so that the other players were already complaining. :tape:

my friend, you obviously don't like beautiful women (perhaps nadal is more up your alley, hmmm?). anyway, anna is the reason why russian tennis exists at the moment. she paved the way for all of these russian newbies and that contribution was invaluable. yeah, she never won a singles title, but so what? she was the inspiration for all the russian babies today and you, sir, have no business criticizing her becaue of your sexual predilections!

Dav.
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:28 PM
my friend, you obviously don't like beautiful women (perhaps nadal is more up your alley, hmmm?). anyway, anna is the reason why russian tennis exists at the moment. she paved the way for all of these russian newbies and that contribution was invaluable. yeah, she never won a singles title, but so what? she was the inspiration for all the russian babies today and you, sir, have no business criticizing her becaue of your sexual predilections!
Damn :spit:

Matt01
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:31 PM
my friend, you obviously don't like beautiful women (perhaps nadal is more up your alley, hmmm?). anyway, anna is the reason why russian tennis exists at the moment. she paved the way for all of these russian newbies and that contribution was invaluable. yeah, she never won a singles title, but so what? she was the inspiration for all the russian babies today and you, sir, have no business criticizing her becaue of your sexual predilections!


:lol:

I'm not your friend btw.

Chorophyll
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:34 PM
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Hingis should have been with Aranxta. It would have been amazing.

tenn_ace
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:03 PM
the OP needs to do a favor to all of us and retire to a whole where he/she crawled out from with this moronic thread. and please take the haters here. Anna was an excellent player who was unfortunate not to win a tournament. And now she is doing a lot of charity work - more than you will ever do in your lifetime.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:30 PM
SIX in 2002....

In 2002 Kournikova was already an ITF-level player and losing to Christinas Wheelers of tennis world. Surely, even an idiot like you wouldn't demand ITF players winning WTA tournaments at will.

spencercarlos
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:42 PM
my friend, you obviously don't like beautiful women (perhaps nadal is more up your alley, hmmm?). anyway, anna is the reason why russian tennis exists at the moment. she paved the way for all of these russian newbies and that contribution was invaluable. yeah, she never won a singles title, but so what? she was the inspiration for all the russian babies today and you, sir, have no business criticizing her becaue of your sexual predilections!
Russian tennis existed before Anna K appeared on scene i used to hear the names of Elena Makarova, Elena Likhotseva for a chance was reaching 4th round at the Usopen 1995 for example, she also beat Sanchez Vicario in Berlin 1996 on clay, just to same an example before Anna´s GS debut.

Of course i would not negate some of her influence, but its not like Tennis was dead in Russia and that it all started with Kournikova.

meteor
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:57 PM
:lol:

I'm not your friend btw.

lame :rolleyes:.

spencercarlos
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:59 PM
In 2002 Kournikova was already an ITF-level player and losing to Christinas Wheelers of tennis world. Surely, even an idiot like you wouldn't demand ITF players winning WTA tournaments at will.
Delusional much? Excuses much?

In January 2002 Anna was taking Serena to three sets in Sydney in the Rd16.

February 2002 Anna was reaching semis at Tier I Tokio PP losing to Seles in three sets.

In the next 3 events she won a match on each before losing to Mauresmo, and Venus twice. This are not ITF player results :rolleyes:

Enter first MM end of February 2002, Acapulco she lost in the SF Srebotnik.

Then she followed with a terrible 2 months between March and April won a couple of matches at Rome, and then did nothing until Standford in July, this after Wimbledon and Roland Garros.. she reached QF there in St losing to Venus.

Started August by reaching Semis at San Diego beating nice players along the way Martinez, Stevensson, Smashnova.

Then another ridiculous 2 event bad run that ended after the Usopen when she played Shanghai, where she reached the final vs Smashnova.. ended up losing in 2 easy sets.. Still her results between August and September 2002 are not ITF´s like players :rolleyes:

Nice try though look for better excuses.....
:wavey:

winning WTA tournaments at will.
Not even win one? 0-11 MM events? hmmm

meteor
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:00 PM
Russian tennis existed before Anna K appeared on scene i used to hear the names of Elena Makarova, Elena Likhotseva for a chance was reaching 4th round at the Usopen 1995 for example, she also beat Sanchez Vicario in Berlin 1996 on clay, just to same an example before Anna´s GS debut.

Of course i would not negate some of her influence, but its not like Tennis was dead in Russia and that it all started with Kournikova.

i can understand likhovtseva, but not makarova, who is quite new. i'm pretty sure she came on the scene well after anna had retired. at any rate, in the late nineties, anna was the only russian carrying the flag.

faboozadoo15
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:01 PM
In 2002 Kournikova was already an ITF-level player and losing to Christinas Wheelers of tennis world. Surely, even an idiot like you wouldn't demand ITF players winning WTA tournaments at will.

Why are you calling me an idiot all of a sudden? You can disagree all you want but there's no reason to start name calling, especially since I can't recall a disagreement we've ever had.

spencercarlos
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:06 PM
i can understand likhovtseva, but not makarova, who is quite new. i'm pretty sure she came on the scene well after anna had retired. at any rate, in the late nineties, anna was the only russian carrying the flag.
Elena Makarova is one player and Ekaterina Makarova is another...

faboozadoo15
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:07 PM
Yeah, we get that. 2002 was AFTER the stress fracture surgery that destroyed her career. Kournikova's play in 2002 was not representative of her level of play through out the rest of her career. In 2002 she was not good enough to win a MM, before her injury in '01 - she was. As a Seles fan you should know the damage a stress fracture can do to one's career.

I understand all of that. She still had a bunch of opportunities to win titles before the stress fracture. The chaotic media pressure surrounding her had a far greater effect than the quality of her opposition.

Yeah really faboo, what's with you? :lol:

I only pointed out that Anna played a lot of MM tournaments. :confused: You know I love Anna....

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:08 PM
Why are you calling me an idiot all of a sudden? You can disagree all you want but there's no reason to start name calling, especially since I can't recall a disagreement we've ever had.

We definitely won't have a disagreement in the future as I'm putting you on ignore. Bye.

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:09 PM
I only pointed out that Anna played a lot of MM tournaments. :confused: You know I love Anna....

She didn't though. Not pre-2002 anyway. And that's when her game started to go downhill despite a few nice results here and there.

spencercarlos
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:10 PM
i can understand likhovtseva, but not makarova, who is quite new. i'm pretty sure she came on the scene well after anna had retired. at any rate, in the late nineties, anna was the only russian carrying the flag.
Wrong.
Dementieva was making noise by 1999 already, Likhotseva was ranked 18 in 1999 as well as a consistent top 20-30 player the most part since 96... Anna was not the only one...

spencercarlos
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:12 PM
She didn't though. Not pre-2002 anyway. And that's when her game started to go downhill despite a few nice results here and there.
I agree that Anna did not play A LOT of MM events, that is ridiculous, she played a fair share of them, but not that many IMO, but to call Anna´s 2002 result ITF players like is also ridiculous too.

Matt01
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:14 PM
We definitely won't have a disagreement in the future as I'm putting you on ignore. Bye.


:lol: I see you don't like it when people are stating the truth about your fave. :help:

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:16 PM
but to call Anna´s 2002 result ITF players like is also ridiculous too.
That's an exaggeration, yes. Though mixed in with those good events you mentioned were tons of really bad losses. :o

MegaDethly
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:20 PM
We definitely won't have a disagreement in the future as I'm putting you on ignore. Bye.

I think you're a fucking idiot for idolising Kournikova. Shut up defending her because it's driving me crazy.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:31 PM
Delusional much? Excuses much?

In January 2002 Anna was taking Serena to three sets in Sydney in the Rd16.

February 2002 Anna was reaching semis at Tier I Tokio PP losing to Seles in three sets.

In the next 3 events she won a match on each before losing to Mauresmo, and Venus twice. This are not ITF player results :rolleyes:

Enter first MM end of February 2002, Acapulco she lost in the SF Srebotnik.

Then she followed with a terrible 2 months between March and April won a couple of matches at Rome, and then did nothing until Standford in July, this after Wimbledon and Roland Garros.. she reached QF there in St losing to Venus.

Started August by reaching Semis at San Diego beating nice players along the way Martinez, Stevensson, Smashnova.

Then another ridiculous 2 event bad run that ended after the Usopen when she played Shanghai, where she reached the final vs Smashnova.. ended up losing in 2 easy sets.. Still her results between August and September 2002 are not ITF´s like players :rolleyes:

Nice try though look for better excuses.....
:wavey:

Kournikova had to rely on wild cards to get into MD at 10 or so Tier I/II events in 2002. That's what happens to ITF-level players. And her occasional wins over scrubs at several favorable draws don't cancel horrible losses to the likes of Wheeler, Widjaja, Panova on grass, Ruano Pascual, Osterloh etc elsewhere.


Not even win one? 0-11 MM events? hmmm

Ok, that's it. I can't stand trolling and lying so it's time for you to join your good old friend troll01 on my ignore list.

LightWarrior
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:44 PM
She should have entered MM tournaments when she was pro and win one of those instead of being the ever...well, you know.

spencercarlos
Jun 7th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Kournikova had to rely on wild cards to get into MD at 10 or so Tier I/II events in 2002. That's what happens to ITF-level players. And her occasional wins over scrubs at several favorable draws don't cancel horrible losses to the likes of Wheeler, Widjaja, Panova on grass, Ruano Pascual, Osterloh etc elsewhere.
In 2002 she had wins over nice players Conchita Martinez, Ai Sugiyama, Anna Smashnova, Alexandra Stevensson, Marta Marrero (on clay), Garbin, Dementieva, Kremer, Montolio. I would not say these players were scrubs at the time.



Ok, that's it. I can't stand trolling and lying so it's time for you to join your good old friend troll01 on my ignore list.
Whatever makes you feel happy, i would have expected more considering you love "stats" and "numbers", but not in this case... the only one lying here is you as above shown. :help:
:wavey:

faboozadoo15
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:09 AM
We definitely won't have a disagreement in the future as I'm putting you on ignore. Bye.

:scared: Empty threat?

Joana
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:47 AM
Now this thread reminded me of all the horrendous matches we had to witness back in 2002 when she sucked and was on TV all the bloody time. Sigh. Memories.
Now we have Sweata Kuznetsova to follow in her footsteps. :hearts:

Cakeisgood
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:26 AM
http://tinyurl.com/22wvy4s

Mods, please don't close this thread :hearts:

LeonHart
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:01 AM
Wrong.
Dementieva was making noise by 1999 already, Likhotseva was ranked 18 in 1999 as well as a consistent top 20-30 player the most part since 96... Anna was not the only one...

Likhotseva was a 2nd rated Russian compared to Kournikova. You can't even compare the two. EVERYONE knows who Kournikova is, no one knows Likhotseva :tape: Plus you hear all the Russians saying it was Kournikova who inspired them, not anyone else.

Kournikova is one of a kind and she made womens tennis SO popular, it's sad watching all these empty stadiums now but back in the hay day it was filled to watch this girl play.

LeonHart
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:01 AM
Now this thread reminded me of all the horrendous matches we had to witness back in 2002 when she sucked and was on TV all the bloody time. Sigh. Memories.
Now we have Sweata Kuznetsova to follow in her footsteps. :hearts:

You didn't enjoy her matches? She still had a couple very good ones in 2002 :sad:

fervor
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:13 AM
Likhotseva was a 2nd rated Russian compared to Kournikova. You can't even compare the two. EVERYONE knows who Kournikova is, no one knows Likhotseva :tape: Plus you hear all the Russians saying it was Kournikova who inspired them, not anyone else.

Kournikova is one of a kind and she made womens tennis SO popular, it's sad watching all these empty stadiums now but back in the hay day it was filled to watch this girl play.

This is my opinion of Kournikova as well. She was/is hugely popular...it's why I say she is one of the most influential tennis players. Whoever managed her career...her, her agent, PR...whoever...they did a fantastic job.

I am sure that her tennis playing did suffer because of her off-court activities, but for many athletes nowadays, being a model/spokesperson/etc. are all part of the job. And as someone noted, I have heard she's doing a lot of charity work now.

delicatecutter
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:19 AM
I love Kournikova to pieces. It's a damn shame that she's a joke for people who don't follow tennis. They think she sucks because she never won a singles title and we all know that wasn't the case. I just wish she had gotten one. :bigcry:

fervor
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:25 AM
I love Kournikova to pieces. It's a damn shame that she's a joke for people who don't follow tennis. They think she sucks because she never won a singles title and we all know that wasn't the case. I just wish she had gotten one. :bigcry:

A joke? I don't think so. People who don't follow the sport just think of her as a famous, beautiful professional tennis player. They don't know any details about her career. They know more about her off-court success, like her regular appearance in photoshoots, music videos, etc.

The people who bash her follow tennis a bit...enough to know about her lack of singles titles, but not enough to ever see her play or know she has a bunch of doubles titles.

delicatecutter
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:28 AM
A joke? I don't think so. People who don't follow the sport just think of her as a famous, beautiful professional tennis player. They don't know any details about her career. They know more about her off-court success, like her regular appearance in photoshoots, music videos, etc.

The people who bash her follow tennis a bit...enough to know about her lack of singles titles, but not enough to ever see her play or know she has a bunch of doubles titles.

I guess I meant those who casually follow tennis. But now I'm old enough that she's been retired for years and it extends to newer fans who didn't follow tennis when she was competing and just know of her for all the other things you mentioned. They had no idea she was an amaze player in her own right.

MakarovaFan
Jun 8th, 2010, 03:25 AM
I have seen Kournikova lots of times, live and on TV, and IMO she is the most overrated player in the history of tennis. The hype around her because of her "look" was almost unbearable. No matter where she played, she was practically always put on the Centre Court, so that the other players were already complaining. :tape:
As have i so i dont know what you were looking at......great variety,could smack winners,change pace,knew what to do at net,excellent defense, and most of all she WASNT AFRAID...hell 10 years later and we still dont have girls who act and play like they belong. She had every reason to be metioned as a future contender and top prospect,not living up to the hype has NOTHING to do with the talent and ability she had. And FYI if you have a player that is popular,brings in fans and has cross over appeal(not to mention game to match) why in the hell wouldnt you place them on a show court????

brunof
Jun 8th, 2010, 04:08 AM
great tennis, and LOL at BJK going whooo everytime someone hits a nice volley :lol:
Such a beautiful display of great doubles tennis -- four wonderful players who really could play doubles...Can't say I like watching so much anymore...Miss that tennis...:sad:

Dawn Marie
Jun 8th, 2010, 05:46 AM
How horrible was she exactly?

I'm sure the reason she sells tickets now is not the quality of her tennis.
Uh,this has been the reason all along for the most part. Nuthing has changed.

Dawn Marie
Jun 8th, 2010, 05:52 AM
For the record, Anna imho didnt win a title due to her parents mishandling her. Damn Shame!

By the way, it really grated my nerve back then at the entire Anna situation becasue quite frankly as a TRUE tennis fan can tell u ... ANNA HAD LOADS OF NATURAL TENNIS ABILITY!! Anna still has more talent then 95% of the Russians now. Shes tied with Kirilenko and Sveta imho. Anna had a great net game .. just a great all court game and she had no business not winning a title. Shame on her parents! U make sure your kids wins that title under her belt before u sell the t@a in endorsements.

Dominic
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:22 AM
Yeah Anna used to be really good and beautiful to watch.

narutos
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:45 AM
She is not a tennis player anymore I don't know why people are so concerned about her you better focus on players like Ivanovic who is a shame for tennis too.

Matt01
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:12 AM
Kournikova is one of a kind and she made womens tennis SO popular, it's sad watching all these empty stadiums now but back in the hay day it was filled to watch this girl play.


Filled to watch her for all the wrong reasons. It was definately not because of her tennis :lol:


As have i so i dont know what you were looking at......great variety,could smack winners,change pace,knew what to do at net,excellent defense, and most of all she WASNT AFRAID...hell 10 years later and we still dont have girls who act and play like they belong. She had every reason to be metioned as a future contender and top prospect,not living up to the hype has NOTHING to do with the talent and ability she had. And FYI if you have a player that is popular,brings in fans and has cross over appeal(not to mention game to match) why in the hell wouldnt you place them on a show court????


Because it was unfair to the players who had already achieved something in their careers, who also wanted to play on the show courts.

donniedarkofan
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:37 PM
Filled to watch her for all the wrong reasons. It was definately not because of her tennis :lol:
Because it was unfair to the players who had already achieved something in their careers, who also wanted to play on the show courts.

Oh for God's sake, would you give it a rest already? Get over it. The players aren't that dramatic. You're the one blabbing all the time about it.Other players praise Anna Kournikova for her game. I saw Lindsay Davenport, Monica Seles, Martina Hingis and Williams sisters saying that Anna WAS GREAT for the game of tennis. She could do both, play good and look good and that's what made womens tennis big in the late 90's. Thanks to Anna Kournikova all the Russians came in(whether you like it or not, almost all of them incl Dementieva and Kuznetsova admit that Anna was the reason that they all followed her footsteps, she was an inspiration).

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:51 PM
Oh for God's sake, would you give it a rest already? Get over it. The players aren't that dramatic. You're the one blabbing all the time about it.Other players praise Anna Kournikova for her game. I saw Lindsay Davenport, Monica Seles, Martina Hingis and Williams sisters saying that Anna WAS GREAT for the game of tennis. She could do both, play good and look good and that's what made womens tennis big in the late 90's. Thanks to Anna Kournikova all the Russians came in(whether you like it or not, almost all of them incl Dementieva and Kuznetsova admit that Anna was the reason that they all followed her footsteps, she was an inspiration).
:worship::worship::worship:

MakarovaFan
Jun 8th, 2010, 06:52 PM
Filled to watch her for all the wrong reasons. It was definately not because of her tennis :lol:





Because it was unfair to the players who had already achieved something in their careers, who also wanted to play on the show courts.
Umm she had achieved something even at a young age...A Wimbldeon Semi at like what,16, thats big....big name scalps,top 10...she deserved it....c'mon now dude get over it

Matt01
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Oh for God's sake, would you give it a rest already? Get over it. The players aren't that dramatic. You're the one blabbing all the time about it.Other players praise Anna Kournikova for her game. I saw Lindsay Davenport, Monica Seles, Martina Hingis and Williams sisters saying that Anna WAS GREAT for the game of tennis. She could do both, play good and look good and that's what made womens tennis big in the late 90's. Thanks to Anna Kournikova all the Russians came in(whether you like it or not, almost all of them incl Dementieva and Kuznetsova admit that Anna was the reason that they all followed her footsteps, she was an inspiration).


There is nothing that I need to get over. And players are allowed to feel different than me. Non-pc players like Irina Spirlea dared to speak out about the ridiculous hype around Kournikova (and later beat her on the court) and I give her credit for that :worship:

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:11 PM
There is nothing that I need to get over. And players are allowed to feel different than me. Non-pc players like Irina Spirlea dared to speak out about the ridiculous hype around Kournikova (and later beat her on the court) and I give her credit for that :worship:

But still whenever and where-ever Kurnikova Played she rocked the court and everyone loved to bye a ticket and see her(Either for her looks or her game):nerner::nerner:

Matt01
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:20 PM
But still whenever and where-ever Kurnikova Played she rocked the court and everyone loved to bye a ticket and see her(Either for her looks or her game):nerner::nerner:


Yeah, I'm sure of it. Doesn't she hold the record for most doubefaults in one match?

Polikarpov
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:35 PM
Yeah, I'm sure of it. Doesn't she hold the record for most doubefaults in one match?

Yes, 31 double faults and still won the match. ;)

Slutiana
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:38 PM
Hingis should have been with Aranxta. It would have been amazing.
She was too old for Martina. :lol:

ABFKJWlK5nM

Bigcry.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Yeah, I'm sure of it. Doesn't she hold the record for most doubefaults in one match?

She made those Double Faults and Still Looked Fabulous winning the match:bounce::bounce::yeah::rolls::inlove:

envisiond2010
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:38 PM
I thought she was a pretty good player actually.

She was damn good and gave top players hell at times. Her serve and her brain kept her from winning at least one singles tournament.

donniedarkofan
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:09 PM
There is nothing that I need to get over. And players are allowed to feel different than me. Non-pc players like Irina Spirlea dared to speak out about the ridiculous hype around Kournikova (and later beat her on the court) and I give her credit for that :worship:

The thing is though, that Irina Spirlea never was a player that gathered the crowds. She never was a player that caught attention,sold tickets, she never was a player who made money not only for herslef but also for the sponsors. Not to mention that Kournikova is using her fame to help kids, she's a charity mogul in the US. No other WTA or ATP player is as active in charity work as Kournikova is right now. IT's not her fault she's hot and stuff. She made the best of it. Loads of money, she is a great ambassador for tennis and thanks to her tennis skills, she made tennis big.

Kournikova once said that without great tennis skills, she would be just another girl playing tennis. "Nobody would even notice me" - she once said and that's the true we should stick to. She was fully aware that she was a great player and that's what took her to the top and then the media started to freak out about her looks, not the opposite. Period.

and yeah, there was some bitching about how Kournikova was treated. Mostly older and not as good looking players such as Tauziat or Spirlea btiched about it, but where are they now? At least Anna is doing something for the others and isn't making a big deal out of the hype. She said many times that she couldn't change it and she havent done anything wrong and haters will be haters, just like Tauziat was.

It's interesting though that absolutely top players like Davenport, Williamses, Hingis, Sanchez Vicario, Martinez, Capriati all praised Anna for her game while other, less known players, bitched about it. Jelaous much?

Chorophyll
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:12 PM
She was too old for Martina. :lol:

ABFKJWlK5nM

Bigcry.

Lame joke.

Matt01
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:20 PM
You make some good points, donniedarkofan. Players like Spirlea and Tauziat were probably jelous of Kournikova. The thing is, that they had every right to be jelous IMO. You are simply delusional if you think that Kournikova made tennis big because of her tennis skills. :lol: She was put on the show courts because of her look and the hype around her. Spirlea and Tauziat had much better tennis skills and more successful careers overall, it is THEM who would have deserved to play on the big show courts to make some promotion for the wta TENNIS. Focusing on some selected players who look good and are hyped for being "sex-symbols", all that to promote the tour and sell the tickets, that is what would destroy the WTA.

And the charity work that Anna is doing right now has absolutely nothing to with the discussion. Credit to her for now useing her reputation to do something good :yeah:

watchdogfish
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:20 PM
For the record, Anna imho didnt win a title due to her parents mishandling her. Damn Shame!

By the way, it really grated my nerve back then at the entire Anna situation becasue quite frankly as a TRUE tennis fan can tell u ... ANNA HAD LOADS OF NATURAL TENNIS ABILITY!! Anna still has more talent then 95% of the Russians now. Shes tied with Kirilenko and Sveta imho. Anna had a great net game .. just a great all court game and she had no business not winning a title. Shame on her parents! U make sure your kids wins that title under her belt before u sell the t@a in endorsements.

I agree with this. Anna's mother in particular seemed to be too interested in the money and fame aspect.

Actually looking back now, I think the Miami final in 1998 was the real turning point in Anna's career. If Anna had pulled out that win I think she and her team would've balanced the endorsement side a lot better than they eventually did.

KBdoubleu
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:18 AM
There is nothing that I need to get over. And players are allowed to feel different than me. Non-pc players like Irina Spirlea dared to speak out about the ridiculous hype around Kournikova (and later beat her on the court) and I give her credit for that :worship:

Well if Spirlea was hoping to be placed on show courts instead of Kournikova - she didn't have much of a case. Aside from career titles (4-0), their career numbers were pretty equal. Kournikova has a slightly higher career winning percentage (61.8% to 60.6%), Sprilea a slightly higher career high rank (7 to 8), Kournikova was a significantly better doubles player - with a career high rank of 1 (and 16 titles compared to Sprilea's 6), they had an equal number of top 10 wins (17), Kournikova had a victory over a reigning number 1 (while Sprilea never did), their best slam performances were both 1 SF and 1 QF, and Kournikova had higher career earnings. Kournikova was far better looking and younger (aka - more marketable). It should be a surprise to no one that Kournikova was placed on the show courts - sex sells.

LeonHart
Jun 9th, 2010, 01:23 AM
You make some good points, donniedarkofan. Players like Spirlea and Tauziat were probably jelous of Kournikova. The thing is, that they had every right to be jelous IMO. You are simply delusional if you think that Kournikova made tennis big because of her tennis skills. :lol: She was put on the show courts because of her look and the hype around her. Spirlea and Tauziat had much better tennis skills and more successful careers overall, it is THEM who would have deserved to play on the big show courts to make some promotion for the wta TENNIS. Focusing on some selected players who look good and are hyped for being "sex-symbols", all that to promote the tour and sell the tickets, that is what would destroy the WTA.

And the charity work that Anna is doing right now has absolutely nothing to with the discussion. Credit to her for now useing her reputation to do something good :yeah:

Why isn't Kirilenko being put on the main courts week in and week out? Wasn't she voted hottest female tennis player?

madlove
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:04 AM
she was a decent player.. just not committed

meteor
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:27 AM
For the record, Anna imho didnt win a title due to her parents mishandling her. Damn Shame!

By the way, it really grated my nerve back then at the entire Anna situation becasue quite frankly as a TRUE tennis fan can tell u ... ANNA HAD LOADS OF NATURAL TENNIS ABILITY!! Anna still has more talent then 95% of the Russians now. Shes tied with Kirilenko and Sveta imho. Anna had a great net game .. just a great all court game and she had no business not winning a title. Shame on her parents! U make sure your kids wins that title under her belt before u sell the t@a in endorsements.

whoa, whoa, hold on there. >95% of the russians now? and you've got kirilenko in this category :eek:?

i'm curious as to where sharapova and dementieva figure in your assessment. i'm assuming they're above the 95% percentile.

fervor
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:42 AM
whoa, whoa, hold on there. >95% of the russians now? and you've got kirilenko in this category :eek:?

i'm curious as to where sharapova and dementieva figure in your assessment. i'm assuming they're above the 95% percentile.

Clearly, there is some exaggeration here with the 95%. As for Kirilenko, some people do think she's overrated, but personally, I think she does have loads of natural talent. But for some reason or another, she just hasn't figured out how to break into the top tier.

I think Kirilenko is an interesting comparison to Kournikova. Unfortunately, she lacks in most areas compared to Anna, which is why she has had nowhere near the same off-court success. But there is no doubt that Kirilenko has gotten a lot more attention than she merits, if you only consider her tennis success.

Anyways...

Some people here are being far too idealistic. It would be nice if success was only measured by a player's tennis ability, but this is the real world. Appearance, especially in the WTA, can be a huge factor. Anna is a clear example. Pretty people always get more attention.

DimaDinosaur
Jun 9th, 2010, 05:44 AM
She is not a tennis player anymore I don't know why people are so concerned about her you better focus on players like Ivanovic who is a shame for tennis too.

totally agree with you, i don't know why she's still lingering in the top 100. radwanska needs to beat her ass back down to the 250's where she belongs

irma
Jun 9th, 2010, 05:53 AM
I agree with this. Anna's mother in particular seemed to be too interested in the money and fame aspect.

Actually looking back now, I think the Miami final in 1998 was the real turning point in Anna's career. If Anna had pulled out that win I think she and her team would've balanced the endorsement side a lot better than they eventually did.

And all the bashing during the australian open 1999 when she was hitting the double faults all over the court. I think she started to believe herself that she wasn't as good as the hype had been suggesting since at least 1993 (I think that was the year of the article about her and Venus as the next big stars)

basset
Jun 9th, 2010, 05:56 AM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.

who cares...

Slutiana
Jun 9th, 2010, 06:31 AM
There is nothing that I need to get over. And players are allowed to feel different than me. Non-pc players like Irina Spirlea dared to speak out about the ridiculous hype around Kournikova (and later beat her on the court) and I give her credit for that :worship:
Spirlea was quite frankly a bitch who was jealous of the attention all the youngsters were getting (namely Hingis, Kournikova, Williams x2). Her stupid comments weren't just about Kournikova, but even the other three who were actually getting attention for their results and nothing else. It was purely jealousy, nothing else.

Matt01
Jun 9th, 2010, 11:02 AM
Well if Spirlea was hoping to be placed on show courts instead of Kournikova - she didn't have much of a case. Aside from career titles (4-0), their career numbers were pretty equal. Kournikova has a slightly higher career winning percentage (61.8% to 60.6%), Sprilea a slightly higher career high rank (7 to 8), Kournikova was a significantly better doubles player - with a career high rank of 1 (and 16 titles compared to Sprilea's 6), they had an equal number of top 10 wins (17), Kournikova had a victory over a reigning number 1 (while Sprilea never did), their best slam performances were both 1 SF and 1 QF, and Kournikova had higher career earnings. Kournikova was far better looking and younger (aka - more marketable). It should be a surprise to no one that Kournikova was placed on the show courts - sex sells.


The 4-0 in career titles gives Spirlea the edge IMO but that is not my point. My point is that Kournikova was given much much more attention and that she was much much more often put on the big show courts. That was simply unfair and did not reflect their tennuis abilities. I admit that things like look and sex appeal of course can come into play as well but not in that ridiculous amount like in Anna's case.

donniedarkofan
Jun 9th, 2010, 11:11 AM
Anan played entertaining tennis and looked better than most of the players, that's why she was given the main arenas all the time and she deserved it, mostly.

Matt01
Jun 9th, 2010, 11:14 AM
I guess we have to agree to disagree. Let's move on now. :)

tenn_ace
Jun 9th, 2010, 12:24 PM
Seriously fans like the OP is such a shame for Tennis.

Danii's Law
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:36 PM
It is so uninformed when people say things like this about Kournikova,
I thought at least on this forum that we were all educated enough fans to not be like everyone else who says "Kournikova was so bad she only had her looks"
She was a great player, she was just around at a time when there were some exceptional players,
If you watch footage of her playing as a 8 year old at the Bollettieri Academy you can see she had more promise than anyone.

WhatTheDeuce
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:43 PM
I thought at least on this forum that we were all educated enough fans to not be like everyone else who says "Kournikova was so bad she only had her looks"

You'd think so. But no, ignorance runs rampant on this board.

Umberella
Jun 9th, 2010, 02:48 PM
I know she wasn't the best player on tour, but she was by no means terrible. Anyone who can be ranked within the top 100 in the world has achieved something pretty spectacular! Not to mention she brought a lot of publicity to the sport - i dont see how that could be a bad thing.

fervor
Jun 9th, 2010, 03:18 PM
Not to mention she brought a lot of publicity to the sport - i dont see how that could be a bad thing.

Well...

One can argue that the glam female tennis players are skewing the public perception of the WTA. People might think the female players care more about looking good, rather than playing world class tennis.a

This is a general side-effect of using sex appeal to sell a product. The product loses some credibility and professionalism.

tenn_ace
Jun 9th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Well...

One can argue that the glam female tennis players are skewing the public perception of the WTA. People might think the female players care more about looking good, rather than playing world class tennis.a

This is a general side-effect of using sex appeal to sell a product. The product loses some credibility and professionalism.

So are you saying that it's better be like weighlifting? no glamor and all professionalis m?

Umberella
Jun 9th, 2010, 03:25 PM
I guess thats true, but its not really her fault. She played tennis, and was good enough to play it professionally. Doesn't mean she should let it govern her life completely though. If she was doing more with herself than just tennis, good on her.

If people are foolish enough to base their opinion of the WTA as a whole on what one player does, then thats their problem. Its not Anna, but rather their own ignorance that gave them that perception.

fervor
Jun 9th, 2010, 03:35 PM
So are you saying that it's better be like weighlifting? no glamor and all professionalis m?

No, no. Of course not. Weightlifting is a rather extreme example.

I was just pointing out a potential negative of all this publicity that focuses on sex appeal, glamour, clothing, fashion, modeling, etc.

Many of these players are more famous for their off-court activities, rather than their tennis playing.

For example, right now, Ivanovic is probably far more famous for her SI swimsuit photo shoot, rather than her lackluster tennis over the past couple years. Millions more people have seen her in a swimsuit and not seen her playing tennis.

JamieOwen3
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:23 PM
you cannot judge anna by the way she played in that exhibition she was number 8 for a reason she didn't skip there.
losing in 3 sets to venus at wimbledon in 1999 when she played and trained regularly

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JamieOwen3
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:28 PM
It is so uninformed when people say things like this about Kournikova,
I thought at least on this forum that we were all educated enough fans to not be like everyone else who says "Kournikova was so bad she only had her looks"
She was a great player, she was just around at a time when there were some exceptional players,
If you watch footage of her playing as a 8 year old at the Bollettieri Academy you can see she had more promise than anyone.

nick bollettieri has publicly said many times anna was his favourite and he thinks she could have been number one,people think she was distracted maybe so a little but she did get career threatening injuries and it was her back injury that was career ending.

Monderoy
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:28 PM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.

Sounds like you bet on this game lol :D

is1531
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:35 PM
As if Women's tennis is not already bad enough, Kournikova is just embarassing. Saw today a Exhibiton Mixed Doubles in Halle, where she played with Nicolas Kiefer against Scarlett Werner / Tomas Muster. And Anna was just so fuckin' horrible. So. Fucking. HORRIBLE!! I can't imagine what they payed her for this appearance, she's a shame. Even my 75 years old Grandmother who still plays tennis with her husband is better than this (seriously).

Thank god she retired that early.

I thought she was a dud years ago, Her game use to put me to sleep, but the men will always protect a good looking woman.

JamieOwen3
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:36 PM
i have uploaded quite a few highlights of matches with anna a couple in doubles including the 2002 AO doubles final with Martina :hearts: Hingis :) anna vs davenport 1998 miami when she won anna vs dokic 2002 san diego lost in 3 sets 2 very close first sets. look for her matches when she was playing on tour before you give the criticism of how she plays now. if she looked like a moose no-one would care if she had never won a singles title but because she was gorgeous people had to mention it.

Zébulon
Jun 9th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Well...

One can argue that the glam female tennis players are skewing the public perception of the WTA. People might think the female players care more about looking good, rather than playing world class tennis.a

This is a general side-effect of using sex appeal to sell a product. The product loses some credibility and professionalism.
quite true, but kournikova always get bashed for doing what most players do nowadays, yet none of them gets their career ridiculed as much as anna, with every other poster reminding she's won no single title. to take a recent example, golovin gets half of this board to defend her when her achievements are far less than kournikova. nowadays, it seems like all top players HAVE to show some sex appeal to get some "respect". less sexy players or those who don't make photoshoot in bikinis or such receive a lot of hate (see : bartoli). lack of good looks seem to be a reason for scorn.