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Jaffas85
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:22 AM
Safina, Jankovic and Dementieva are generally considered to be the best players never to have won a major (both based on how well they play and how well they've consistently done at majors).

Do you think all three still have a credible chance at finally winning a major and if so where will it most likely happen?

I don't think Dementieva will ever win one and Safina has to rediscover the form that she had in the first half of 2009 so she can seriously challenge for the Australian and French Open titles (I don't think Safina will ever win Wimbledon or the US Open based on her style of play).

If Jankovic can maintain her best form (like she displayed in Indian Wells and Rome) then she will continue to have credible chances to win any of the majors except for Wimbledon (where players who hit the ball harder and flatter can wipe her off the court).

So considering Dementieva's age and Safina's injuries/lack of form I think the most likely of the three to win a major any time soon will be Jankovic.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:26 AM
Now that Schiavone won a major I donīt consider winning a major the big shit as before

As for the question , maybe never , I donīt really care since today

tennisbum79
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:26 AM
Isn't this the same as

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=411236

delicatecutter
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:27 AM
The more chances missed, the harder it's going to get for all of them. Dementieva had 2 chances and the last was nearly 6 years now. Safina has already had 3. Jankovic might be in the category of say a Mauresmo who only had 1 previous final before she ended up winning on her second try.

I would say that the "now that Schiavone has won a Major" really has nothing to do with the second part of the question.

Lord Choc Ice
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:30 AM
When they aren't injured when a dream draw comes along. ;)

tennnisfannn
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:46 AM
All three are good enough to make the semis on a consistent basis, throw in Wozniacki while you are at it and one of them will actually a slam! It is realistic to expect a JJ vs Safina semi and an Elenad vs Caro -even they are incapable of screwing that up.

Xanadu11
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:53 AM
All three are good enough to make the semis on a consistent basis, throw in Wozniacki while you are at it and one of them will actually a slam! It is realistic to expect a JJ vs Safina semi and an Elenad vs Caro -even they are incapable of screwing that up.

lol but i'm sure they would try their hardest. All of them fall down the stairs will skipping at glee one of them will no longer be slamless and break their legs at the sametime.

I think Fran winning should actually be an inspiration for all them. Fran at 29 took her opportunity. Hopefully all of them will win a slam a some point (well actually don't really mind if Caro doesn't win one but she certainly has time on her side.

OneSlamWonder
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:35 PM
Maybe they will after reading this article :cool:

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Psychology/Read/0,,12781~2063939,00.html

Ferg
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:36 PM
err never?

JackFrost
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:38 PM
Isn't this the same as

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=411236

Yes, it is.
And no, they will never win a slam in singles.

OneSlamWonder
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:44 PM
Fun thing to see would be something like GS SF Jankovic - Wozniacki and Safina - Dementieva.

First one would last for like 5 hours with both players making 5 winners ;)

Second one would last for like 5 hours with both players having set points in both of first two sets, and then match points in third. ;)

Guess then, one from these three would get a GS!

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

danieln1
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:41 PM
Maybe they will after reading this article :cool:

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Psychology/Read/0,,12781~2063939,00.html

And they put Sveta pic on it... how fitting!!

Bruno71
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:44 PM
http://www.parterre.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/hell_freezes_over.png

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:44 PM
err never?

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goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:31 PM
If Dinara recovers from her back injury, she just turned 24, she still has plenty of years.
And she is a former #1 who went to 3 slam finals. I still think a healthy Dinara will be a force at the FO in her mid to late 20's.

Dementieva and Jankovic can see Fran winning at almost 30, so they know its possible, if things break right
All 3 need some luck.

MLF
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:34 PM
I think Jankovic is the mostly likely of the three to do it. She enjoys a "big occasion". Dementieva and Safina have been the tennis equivalent of a deer in headlights in slam finals. One thing Fran did that they didn't do and may never be able to do was to relax and enjoy the occasion, to enjoy the sport and the battle.

Corswandt
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:46 PM
Now that Schiavone has won a major when will Safina, Jankovic and Dementieva?

Safina and Dementieva - never.

Jankovic still might. Her SF collapse at this year's RG was worrying, but she did play very well in her only Slam final so far so I can't see why she won't be able to do it if by chance she finds herself in another.

Volcana
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:43 PM
Schiavone having won a slam only marginally comments on this, and comments in this way.

Schiavone demonstrated that, at the biggest moments of her tennis life, she was capable of summoning her very best tennis.

Elena Dementieva has shown she can do that, in winning the Olympics. But she's alos shown she can crack under pressure, a la RG 2004. And at Wimbledon 2009, she brought her best, but had the misfortuen to run into a better player also playing her best. That happens.

Safina has wilted in virtually every big moment.

Jankovic? Well, Stosur treated her like roadkill.

You can't control your draw. You can control how you play. The only one of the three who's demonstrated she's learned how to play big time time tennis in big time moments is Dementieva.

Based solely on the limited relevance of Schiavone's win, the only one of the three who's going to win a slam is Dementieva.

Apoleb
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:14 PM
^Seriously, how do you manage to come up with such bs? It takes talent. :sobbing:

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:17 PM
^Seriously, how do you manage to come up with such bs? It takes talent. :sobbing:

You missed the thread about Kirilenko going to be a top player and winning a major.

Apoleb
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:21 PM
You missed the thread about Kirilenko going to be a top player and winning a major.

I remember reading a thread title like that. I must have subconsciously ran away.

Dawn Marie
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:41 AM
I never thot Safina or Jelena had that much game to win a SLAM! Especially Safina!! We saw Kuzie beat Safina asily last year by moving her around and slicing and hitting angles and playins some NET game. Safina hits hard and has a decent serve. So many players have much more in their arsenal.

She refuses to change up her game when its not working. Can easioy be out served!
Elena Dementieva, time has come and gone.. i think?? LOL.. out of these 3 I think she still can do it with the right draw.
I like wat i see in other up n comers!! Wozniacki has a better shot imho!

Dawn Marie
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:46 AM
And to compare what Fran did to these others players is wrong. Fran has alot of game in her arsenal. One hand backhand,volleys,angles and groundies. These players dont even know what a net is half the time. I actually think these 3 are about to fall back into the top 15 in about 1 yr and half. Especially Safina. She's a poor women's Davenport.

Singleniacki
Jun 7th, 2010, 07:46 AM
Safina - I would be surpised to see her go deep at a slam again.
Jankovic - the best bet i think, she should get one in her career
Lena - I really dont think so. But she wont stop trying :)

bandabou
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:56 AM
I don't know....they always seem to run into somebody that's just playing better or is just plain better than them.

Illusionist
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:22 PM
I always felt Jelena will do it, but after that terrible SF performance, I'm beginning to wonder :scared:

John.
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Safina - Never
Elena - I think it's too late for her now :sad:
Jankovic - I think she still has a shot

Viktymise
Jun 7th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Jankovic still might. Her SF collapse at this year's RG was worrying, but she did play very well in her only Slam final so far so I can't see why she won't be able to do it if by chance she finds herself in another.

I think that Jankovic played so well in her first slam final because she believed she was a firm underdog against Serena. And I think the chances of her beating Serena/Venus/Henin/Clijsters in at that stage are pretty much zero regardless of her level. I could imagine her throwing in an absolutely horrible slam final if she was against an underdog, or even in the same position that Lena D. was in in her 2 slam finals.

Madoka
Jun 7th, 2010, 08:16 PM
i think among these players,atm..the one who has more chances is JJ...

i would be really surprised of seeing Safina again in a final of a Slam...i think she will never win one...

and Elena...i wuold be really happy of seeing her winning a slam..she really deserves it...but..she already lost some opportunities..and she is not so young...i dunno...maybe she will surprise us like Francesca did...

meteor
Jun 7th, 2010, 09:28 PM
never for any of these three losers.

lestat111
Jun 7th, 2010, 11:46 PM
never for any of these three losers.
:rolleyes:

saint2
Jun 7th, 2010, 11:48 PM
I'd just like to remind that Elena already does have a major title among her trophies ;)

LightWarrior
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:00 AM
Schiavone was never supposed to win a GS. The other 3 are cursed anyway.

LightWarrior
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:02 AM
I'd just like to remind that Elena already does have a major title among her trophies ;)

I'd like to remind you that a Major in tennis is GS tournament, not some Olympics tennis that no one cares about.

Volcana
Jun 8th, 2010, 05:28 AM
I'd like to remind you that a Major in tennis is GS tournament, not some Olympics tennis that no one cares about.What about Olympic tennis that a LOT of people care about?

I happen to agee with you about what the term 'major' means. But outside the sports world, that is to say, among the vast majority of the world's population, 'I won an Olympic gold medal' actually means MORE than 'I won Wimbledon'. No, Dementieva did NOT win a 'major'. But she has achieved something signal and significant.

Volcana
Jun 8th, 2010, 05:47 AM
I'm minded to amend my earlier comments. Not change my ultimate opinion, but rather flesh them out.

Safina - You can learn to perform in high pressure situations. Jana Novotna did eventually win the Wimbledon title she crumbled so spectaculary on the brink of.

Jankovic, OTOH, since her notorious training program in the 2008/9 off-season, has failed massively under pressure. What I've listed here are JJ's 2009/10 results in the slams and 'mandatories'. I added two other tournaments. The 2009 Tour Championship, for obvious reasons, and Rome 2010.

Rome 2010 because, after beating both Williams sisters, inning Rome would have been a huge confidence boost. Not winning it makes who you beat before you lost an afterthought.

.................................................. .........
2009 .................................................. ....
.................................................. .........
AUSTRALIAN OPEN .. .. R16 Bartoli ........... L 6-1 6-4
INDIAN WELLS ..... .. R64 Pavlyuchenkova .... L 6-4 6-4
MIAMI ............ .. R64 Dulko ............. L 6-4 7-6
ROME ............. .. QTR Kuznetsova ........ L 6-1 7-6
MADRID ........... .. QTR Schnyder .......... L 7-6 6-3
FRENCH OPEN ...... .. R16 Cirstea ........... L 3-6 6-0 9-7
EASTBOURNE ....... .. R32 Chakvetadze ....... L 6-7 6-3 6-2
WIMBLEDON ........ .. R32 Oudin ............. L 6-7 7-5 6-2
US OPEN .......... .. R64 Shvedova .......... L 6-3 6-7 7-6
BEIJING .......... .. R32 Peng .............. L 4-6 7-5 6-2
.................. .. ... ................... .............
TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS .. Rd1 Azarenka .......... L 6-2 6-3
TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS .. Rd1 Wozniacki ......... W 6-2 6-2
TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS .. Rd1 Safina ............ W 1-1 RET
TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS .. SMI Venus ............. L 5-7 6-3 6-4
............................................. .............
2010 ........................................ .............
............................................. .............
AUSTRALIAN OPEN .. .. R32 A Bondarenko ...... L 6-2 6-3
INDIAN WELLS ..... .. FNL Wozniacki ......... W 6-2 6-4
MIAMI ............ .. R16 Stosur ............ L 6-1 7-6
.................. ... ...................... .............
ROME ............. .. QTR Venus ............. W 6-0 6-1
ROME ............. .. SMI Serena ............ W 4-6 6-3 7-6
ROME ............. .. FNL Martinez Sanchez .. L 7-6 7-5
.................. .. ... ................... .............
MADRID ........... .. QTR Rezai ............. L 7-5 6-4
FRENCH OPEN ...... .. SMI Stosur ............ L 6-1 6-2


Look closely at her record in 'extended' sets. Those it takes more than six games to win.

3 5-11.

Under pressure JJ loses. She makes it look good, but ....

Singleniacki
Jun 8th, 2010, 07:00 AM
Is it more like 5-11?

Volcana
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:23 PM
Is it more like 5-11?Probably. It was late, and I used a stupid color coding system. I'll count again.

Apoleb
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:32 PM
Probably. It as late, and I used a stupid color coding system. I'll count again.

You might also want to check why you biased the data towards the matches she lost in your "extended sets" finding.

Talula
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:42 PM
Sorry to all their fans - and I am a fan of Elena - but no, I can't see it happening for any of them.

And apologies Francesca fans, it was a lovely win for her and great to see an outsider win - who would ever have guessed that RG outcome at the beginning of the tournament - but that was a fluke if ever there was one and I can't see it happening for her again.

saint2
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:19 PM
I'd like to remind you that a Major in tennis is GS tournament, not some Olympics tennis that no one cares about.

Olympics=Grand Slam in terms of competition level.

Jajaloo
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:23 PM
JJ will win a Grand Slam when she feels like it, you know?

saint2
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:30 PM
JJ will win a Grand Slam when she feels like it, you know?

Before FO, I thought:

Elena- done for winning slam (too old)
Jelena- done for winning slam (not a slam material)
Dinara- almost done for winning slam

Now I see everyone can win slam if will get hot at right time, so...JJ can as well...

DemWilliamsGulls
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:32 PM
ummm....I didnt know that Schiavonne winning the French determined everyone elses fate in winning slams lol.....

Hian
Jun 9th, 2010, 09:32 PM
Safina never. :)