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laurie
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:18 PM
That was an exceptional performance by Francesca in the French open final today. Sam Stosur fans will argue that Sam got tight in the 2nd set in particular and I can appreciate that but Francesca really played loose in the critical moments and served beautifully as well when it mattered.

But how often have we been crying out for a player who can come to the net, and more importantly, knows when to come to the net. I’ve watched in despair over the last 10 years in both the mens and womens game so many players who would hit a great inside out forehand and stay back and play tactically dumb. Today, every time Francesca hit that shot, she came to the net to knock off an easy volley off a floating reply. Francesca’s sense of when to come to the net was exceptional. Francesca was also mixing up her game beautifully by chipping and charging on some returns, or going for the big returns. And it also shows that an all court style of Tennis is still the best type of Tennis to watch and to play, even if it takes some players longer to master it at the highest level.

No doubt all of those Federation cup victories for Italy in the last 4 years gave Francesca the confidence to play her absolute best Tennis when it really mattered in the 2nd set tiebreak.

I hope Francesca’s victory inspires more youngsters to play this type of Tennis

Sammo
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Lol, everyone plays good tennis when you're receiving shitty shots, sorry but this is the true

tennisbum79
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:26 PM
What I take away from this victory, is hardwork, perseverance, determination, figting spirit, not
that " she play how tennis is supposed to play.", whatever that means.
Henin hs won this 4 times, are saying she has not been playing the right way all these years?


Fran has been playing like for years, and has not won many titiles. She was 1-for-9 coming into this final.

Slutiana
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:34 PM
Lol, everyone plays good tennis when you're receiving shitty shots, sorry but this is the true
:bigwave::bigwave:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Lol, everyone plays good tennis when you're receiving shitty shots, sorry but this is the true

Where was this ideology when you guys were talking about the Charleston Final?

FORZA SARITA
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:36 PM
Where was this ideology when you guys were talking about the Charleston Final?

:devil:

brickhousesupporter
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:37 PM
Franny showed one way that tennis can be played. It is not the only way.

Shinjiro
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:38 PM
How tennis had to be played – against Sam, and with Fran's weapons at your disposal.

laurie
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:38 PM
What I take away from this victory, is hardwork, perseverance, determination, figting spirit, not
that " she play how tennis is supposed to play.", whatever that means.
Henin hs won this 4 times, are saying she has not been playing the right way all these years?


Fran has been playing like for years, and has not won many titiles. She was 1-for-9 coming into this final.

No, don't be daft! Henin is a great example of all court Tennis.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:39 PM
Tennis should be played the way that wins you the most points, giving you the best chance of winning. For some that means coming into the net and mixing it up; for others, that means serving your brains out; for others, it means running around like a chicken with your head cut off and getting every ball back. There isn't one "right" way to play tennis. There are certainly ways to play that are more entertaining to me than others, but the others are just as valid.

Shinjiro
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:40 PM
for others, it means running around like a chicken with your head cut off and getting every ball back.
:lol:

Patrick345
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:40 PM
What she showed is how much easier matches can be, if you follow your shots to the net and can actually finish off the points. Stosur´s technique is shaky and attacking the net did put even more pressure on Stosur.

tennisbum79
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:48 PM
No, don't be daft! Henin is a great example of all court Tennis.
So why doyou seem to suggest Fran's appraoch is 'THE" way?

The Dawntreader
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:50 PM
It was exceptional craftmanship from Schiavione. Her game isn't particularly imposing, but the detail in her game is quite something.

Has proved herself throughout this RG as a player who knows how to move on clay successfully, which i believe was a intangible asset to her victory today. Never looked ridiculously out of position in rallies, and looked almost guaranteed to have a play on every ball due to her meticulous sliding and generally footwork, getting behind the ball and giving herself much needed time to react positively. Her game is less rythmic than say Conchita Martinez of yesteryear, but she possesses the same intimidate knowledge of shot selection. Her backhand was an example of using width instead of pace to open up the court, rolling over the ball to drag Stosur out of court and then a forecourt opportunity is inevitable.

Her second serve too (which has been a rather ineffectual feature of her game) held up well, despite Stosur looking to unsettle it by taking some mammoth cuts at the ball. Her game isn't naturally dominating by any means, but she does not become inhibited by her lack of power, and relies on her ability to utilise spin and angle as a terrific substitute. Forehand to forehand, Schiavone was actually able to move Stosur back with her own heavy spin, and was able to flatten the forehand out when nessecary, especially after the 4-1 deficit, she realised that a loop-fest was only going to hurt her in the long term, especially if Stosur was going to latch on to her forehands and rediscover her timing.

Everything was just so compact. Her net play was methodical, her service directions intelligent. Schiavone's game on paper seems dilligent, but she's maximised her adequate technique with sheer athleticsm. It's a powerful combination when everything is attuned.

debby
Jun 5th, 2010, 09:59 PM
Where was this ideology when you guys were talking about the Charleston Final?

:happy:

tennisbum79
Jun 5th, 2010, 10:01 PM
It was exceptional craftmanship from Schiavione. Her game isn't particularly imposing, but the detail in her game is quite something.

Has proved herself throughout this RG as a player who knows how to move on clay successfully, which i believe was a intangible asset to her victory today. Never looked ridiculously out of position in rallies, and looked almost guaranteed to have a play on every ball due to her meticulous sliding and generally footwork, getting behind the ball and giving herself much needed time to react positively. Her game is less rythmic than say Conchita Martinez of yesteryear, but she possesses the same intimidate knowledge of shot selection. Her backhand was an example of using width instead of pace to open up the court, rolling over the ball to drag Stosur out of court and then a forecourt opportunity is inevitable.

Her second serve too (which has been a rather ineffectual feature of her game) held up well, despite Stosur looking to unsettle it by taking some mammoth cuts at the ball. Her game isn't naturally dominating by any means, but she does not become inhibited by her lack of power, and relies on her ability to utilise spin and angle as a terrific substitute. Forehand to forehand, Schiavone was actually able to move Stosur back with her own heavy spin, and was able to flatten the forehand out when nessecary, especially after the 4-1 deficit, she realised that a loop-fest was only going to hurt her in the long term, especially if Stosur was going to latch on to her forehands and rediscover her timing.

Everything was just so compact. Her net play was methodical, her service directions intelligent. Schiavone's game on paper seems dilligent, but she's maximised her adequate technique with sheer athleticsm. It's a powerful combination when everything is attuned.
This is day where all the stars were in perfect alignment for Fran
Game, mental disposition(fighting spirit, determination, heart) the opponent all came togther to her advantage.

She overachieved against an overconfident opponent who could not adjust her game because
1) she has winning record against Fran
2) She has beaten more accomplished players (with the same game) than Fran on her way fo the final

mdterp01
Jun 5th, 2010, 11:53 PM
The way tennis should be played is anyway that you can win. Whether it be power or variety, the winning combination is skill and mental fortitude. I understand many don't like "big babe" tennis, but guess what...thats how the game has evolved and its not going anywhere, and on surfaces other than clay (meaning the other 3 majors), big babe tennis is more often going to win out. Justine plays with great variety, but she's still got the power mixed in their to make her an all surface threat. Great win for Schiavone, but that kind of game isn't going to get it done at Wimbledon, US Open, or Australia.

hdfb
Jun 5th, 2010, 11:55 PM
Fran has a really elegant game. Loved watching her leap into the air to return serves on the backhand wing. :inlove:

Sammo
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:00 AM
Where was this ideology when you guys were talking about the Charleston Final?

Lol, Zvonareva returned shitty shots because she couldn't handle Stosur's power, Stosur just send shitty shots to Schiavone for no reason.

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:08 AM
That was an exceptional performance by Francesca in the French open final today. Sam Stosur fans will argue that Sam got tight in the 2nd set in particular and I can appreciate that but Francesca really played loose in the critical moments and served beautifully as well when it mattered.

But how often have we been crying out for a player who can come to the net, and more importantly, knows when to come to the net. I’ve watched in despair over the last 10 years in both the mens and womens game so many players who would hit a great inside out forehand and stay back and play tactically dumb. Today, every time Francesca hit that shot, she came to the net to knock off an easy volley off a floating reply. Francesca’s sense of when to come to the net was exceptional. Francesca was also mixing up her game beautifully by chipping and charging on some returns, or going for the big returns. And it also shows that an all court style of Tennis is still the best type of Tennis to watch and to play, even if it takes some players longer to master it at the highest level.

No doubt all of those Federation cup victories for Italy in the last 4 years gave Francesca the confidence to play her absolute best Tennis when it really mattered in the 2nd set tiebreak.

I hope Francesca’s victory inspires more youngsters to play this type of Tennis

See, if not for the ridiculous title to this thread, I would have little to no problem embracing your post, but the fact that you contextualize it with such an overblown statement for what might go down as a fluke, one-slam wonder-like victory makes your post SEEM too much. Fran' had a great victory today, but she's had over a decade worth of opportunities to show how tennis SHOULD be played. The fact that she's had one great, slam-winning tournament shows nothing but the selfsame fact.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:16 AM
Lol, Zvonareva returned shitty shots because she couldn't handle Stosur's power, Stosur just send shitty shots to Schiavone for no reason.

Lol, everyone plays good tennis when you're receiving shitty shots, sorry but this is the true

Your logic is amusing....

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae287/ottman_turks2/177-9.gif

Volcana
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:24 AM
Lol, everyone plays good tennis when you're receiving shitty shots, sorry but this is the trueIt's true, but it has nothing to do with the match in question. Do you actually watch? Stosur actually won her first two service games at love. Stosur's problem wasn't execution, it was that Schiavone was basically making every correct decision.

Every time Stsur pulled her racket back and high with one hand, Schiavone charged the net, correctly reading a slice coming. Six aces for someone would a not over-whelming serve means very good placement. Schiavone had nine fewer UEs than Stosur. How more points than Stosur did she win? Eight.

And rather glaringly, Stosur only had one double fault. But it was at break point, the only break in the first set. Stosur played ... well. Schiavone played like this was the biggest match of her life.
...................... Stosur .. Schiavone
............................................
Aces ..................... _3 .. _6
DFs ...................... _1 .. _1
UEs ...................... 28 .. 19
Winners (inc svc) ........ 25 .. 26
1st Serve% ...... 42/65 = 65% .. 46/71 = 65%
Win% 1st ........ 30/42 = 71% .. 35/46 = 76%
Win% 2nd ........ 13/22 = 59% .. 15/24 = 63%
Rcv Pts Won ..... 21/71 = 30% .. 22/65 = 34%
Break Pt Conv ...... _1 of _2 .. _2 of _7
Net Approaches ..... 11 of 18 .. 14 of 15

poulao
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:30 AM
Yes, she played great clay court tennis. But, we'll see how well it works on grass pretty soon, won't we :lol:

JamieOwen3
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:31 AM
tennis should be played by type that person likes to play or is more successful to them,Maria Sharapova will never become a pusher,Agnieszka Radwanska will never become as aggressive as Sharapova or Serena. there is no way of HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED just a way that suits that person because of movement and such.

laurie
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:36 AM
See, if not for the ridiculous title to this thread, I would have little to no problem embracing your post, but the fact that you contextualize it with such an overblown statement for what might go down as a fluke, one-slam wonder-like victory makes your post SEEM too much. Fran' had a great victory today, but she's had over a decade worth of opportunities to show how tennis SHOULD be played. The fact that she's had one great, slam-winning tournament shows nothing but the selfsame fact.

Erm, thank for the comments.

As for the title of the thread - I think you are getting worked up for no reason. I know that can happen when someone sees something written in print.

But I stand by the statement, I'm talking about being bold and taking the game to the opponent, imposing your game and personality, and making smart tactcal decisions - that's how Tennis should be played. I think some people are confusing my statement with style of play or certain styles of play.

tennisvideos
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:44 AM
Schiavone played a very clever tactical game which largely gave Sam no chance to get into a rhythm and use her explosive forehand as she had been able to in previous matches. Schiavone was able to loop the ball deep and high, get some great angles, and mixed it up with slices and net approaches which of course forced Sam to cover too much territory and kept her off balance. It was great tennis from Schiavone.

Sam was definately nervous, but who wouldn't be. She can take a lot away from this tournament and hold her head high after taking the scalps of Henin, Serena and Jelena in consecutive matches for a stunning run to the final. Congrats to Schiavone.

I thought it was great for tennis.

tennisbum79
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:48 AM
Yes, she played great clay court tennis. But, we'll see how well it works on grass pretty soon, won't we :lol:
Just acknowledging she played an excellent match here will be enough.
How she will play in Wimbledon should not take away from how well she approached this match and won it.

Volcana
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:49 AM
How tennis had to be played – against Sam, and with Fran's weapons at your disposal.That sums it up rather nicely. Though one might add, 'on this surface'.

I can't help wondering, watching that match, where Henin's head was that day. She has all the same weapons Schiavone does, a better serve, and won the first set against Stosur rather easily.

Then the wheels fell off.

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:40 AM
Erm, thank for the comments.

As for the title of the thread - I think you are getting worked up for no reason. I know that can happen when someone sees something written in print.

But I stand by the statement, I'm talking about being bold and taking the game to the opponent, imposing your game and personality, and making smart tactcal decisions - that's how Tennis should be played. I think some people are confusing my statement with style of play or certain styles of play.
Thanks for clarifying. I understand what you mean now, and based on whom I know your faves to be, I realize that you're not advocating a particular "style."

That sums it up rather nicely. Though one might add, 'on this surface'.

I can't help wondering, watching that match, where Henin's head was that day. She has all the same weapons Schiavone does, a better serve, and won the first set against Stosur rather easily.

Then the wheels fell off.
Well, that's the thing with Henin. If past is prologue, her "head" will be the LAST aspect of her game to come together. Prior to her first slam, she had all the tools at her disposal to win a slam but would..., choke, for lack of a better term.

young_gunner913
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:24 AM
That sums it up rather nicely. Though one might add, 'on this surface'.

I can't help wondering, watching that match, where Henin's head was that day. She has all the same weapons Schiavone does, a better serve, and won the first set against Stosur rather easily.

Then the wheels fell off.

Henin's new game was a failure for clay just like it was on hard. Not suprising.

Pat Bateman
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:56 AM
Schiavone played a very clever tactical game which largely gave Sam no chance to get into a rhythm and use her explosive forehand as she had been able to in previous matches. Schiavone was able to loop the ball deep and high, get some great angles, and mixed it up with slices and net approaches which of course forced Sam to cover too much territory and kept her off balance. It was great tennis from Schiavone.

Sam was definately nervous, but who wouldn't be. She can take a lot away from this tournament and hold her head high after taking the scalps of Henin, Serena and Jelena in consecutive matches for a stunning run to the final. Congrats to Schiavone.

I thought it was great for tennis.

Agreed. Schiavone played one the best tactical matches I've ever seen. Brilliant stuff :worship::worship::worship:

laurie
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:33 AM
[QUOTE=DOUBLEFIST;17925415]Thanks for clarifying. I understand what you mean now, and based on whom I know your faves to be, I realize that you're not advocating a particular "style."


Ok Thanks :yeah:

Apoleb
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:38 AM
She showed that you don't have to have a mesmerising game to beat ClayGOAT Sam. :tape:

Harvs
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:48 AM
fran played amazing. sam played her worst match of the four big ones. simple.

Hian
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:53 AM
Uhm, no.
She showed her tennis, but everyone can play the tennis she prefers (except for Wozniacki :()