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cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:03 AM
Yes, that's despite the multiple chokes in this match :p

Before, the match would have been over after she choked the 2nd set away.

Noctis
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:07 AM
Yeah she fight at the most key moments and come up with the goods.
But still needs to work on it.

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:12 AM
She hit some clutch shots, especially that volley.

Still, this inconsistent shit has got to stop.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM
sammy, iPatty and I have discussed it in another thread.. i'll try to pull it out. I wouldnt it call it mentally stronger.. just a different approach.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:15 AM
tonight i think i twigged what is lacking for kim, an anger at things and determination to turn around her bad play. she is far to accepting of when things start going away from her.

I think she's trying to emotionally detach herself from this match so it won't be as crushing if she does end up choking and losing, which she appeared to be thinking about even while up a set and 30*. It's a dangerous attitude to have, that's for sure.

I agree.. but it allows her to be less tentative when it matters. We've seen her crumble against Serena, Henin, and others.
I'd rather see her go down swinging than reverting to Kim-5ft-behind-the-baseline-retriever mode.

While that's true, the intensity and focus that comes from an emotional involvement in a match would have carried her to a 62 60 victory. It goes both ways, really. I've always found Kim to be at her best when she is fist pumping and giving out the "come ons." It just seems like she doesn't even care when she misses the most routine shots.

I think it's completely different against Henin. I think the emotional involvement is just too dangerous for her. A few errors, and her confidence could be shot.. or a paralysis of sorts. She's always seemed to be mentally fragile at times.. especially against Henin.
I have no idea what's going on in Kim's head when she plays Justine but it's almost like a fear... an extreme intimidation, or lack of belief in herself.

Hopefully Kim finds a way to deal with this but I think for now the only recourse she's developed is to completely separate herself from the match and just play.

yeah you almost get the feeling she would rather see a williams in her draw than henin, cus at least she can let it all out on the court against them. she should win this match her tennis is better, but her head is getting in the way.

sammy, iPatty and I have discussed it in another thread.. i'll try to pull it out. I wouldnt it call it mentally stronger.. just a different approach.

Here ya go :wavey:

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:19 AM
Interesting...I'm confused though... you are saying she became emotionally detached when leading and started spraying for that reason?

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:23 AM
My personal opinion, which probably differs from sammy and iPatty is that emotionally detaching herself allowed her to play offensively (like match point). Or that emotionally detaching herself allowed her to not collapse especially after choking while not serving for the match.

She didn't let her emotions get the best of her... b/c I dont think she engaged her emotions at all. In the past, she would have folded like a cheap tent..or like a house of cards all falling down.
I think she found a way to avoid that. I think she still struggles to separate herself from the setting (Henin being her opponent), but it's what works for now.

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:34 AM
Well, whatever works. :lol:

I still don't understand her walkabouts...if it's purely mental vs Justine or if it's just that she can't maintain her level (As she hasn't been in a lot of matches since her comeback)

Hopefully no more matches like this the rest of the year :lol:

I'm really curious now what will happen if they meet on clay. Justine will have a big edge there IMO.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:35 AM
If Justine can play like she usually does, she'll probably win comfortably. Remember, clay is Kim's least favorite surface I believe. I'm sure she'd like to win Miami and coast for the next few months.

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:37 AM
Yeah, Kim might as well skip clay. Not sure why she is even playing, considering she hates the surface.

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:43 AM
Her play when she was leading was just absurd. I mean, if this is an improvement.. :help:

She should give half of her USO prize money to the great Shino, cause she probably would've choked those match points, and against Serena there's no second chance.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:44 AM
Her play when she was leading was just absurd. I mean, if this is an improvement.. :help:

She should give half of her USO prize money to the great Shino, cause she probably would've choked those match points, and against Serena there's no second chance.

Bitter? :drool:

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:46 AM
Bitter? :drool:

So you were impressed by her mental strength? :lol: Good on you. It's the only thing that made the match actually laughable.

Noctis
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:14 PM
Justine face is intiminating , shed should put a mask on,she makes baby cries.

Shinjiro
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:22 PM
:lol:

Craigy
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:29 PM
You could just tell when she was going to choke, it was hilarious. :lol: But yeah, she probably would have just went into complete meltdown and not recover from being up 6-2 3-0 in the past. I guess she deals with her mental lapses better these days.

NeoZod19
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:40 PM
Yes, she is more mature now and knows what she wants in life.

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:45 PM
My personal opinion, which probably differs from sammy and iPatty is that emotionally detaching herself allowed her to play offensively (like match point). Or that emotionally detaching herself allowed her to not collapse especially after choking while not serving for the match.

She didn't let her emotions get the best of her... b/c I dont think she engaged her emotions at all. In the past, she would have folded like a cheap tent..or like a house of cards all falling down.
I think she found a way to avoid that. I think she still struggles to separate herself from the setting (Henin being her opponent), but it's what works for now.

no i agree. she has a very flippant approach to playing henin now that makes her able to play each point as just another point, it works in that at 7-6 in the tie break she can pull the trigger and hit a million mile an hour forehand winner.

equally it means when she is winning she can let the momentum go in a flash as she is not playing her game according to the scoreboard. like she will still go for shots instead of making a clearly struggling with timing henin play.

thrust
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:51 PM
Yes, she is.

Daniel
Apr 2nd, 2010, 02:12 PM
yes

Olórin
Apr 2nd, 2010, 02:13 PM
Third set tiebreak wins against Justine is a big deal for anyone, especially Kim. Mental midgets don't tend to do well in 3rd set TBs.

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:39 PM
Hmmm...or maybe Henin herself isn't as clutch as she used to be?

The Dawntreader
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:18 PM
Third set tiebreak wins against Justine is a big deal for anyone, especially Kim. Mental midgets don't tend to do well in 3rd set TBs.

Certainly Clijsters has looked more at ease playing some of her bogeywomen since her comeback. Obliterating Venus in a 6-0 set, and playing outstanding, creative tennis against tennis in Serena. The glitches are still there against Henin, and internally is not the same kind of competitor Henin is. Though what is fortunate for Clijsters of late, she has found a decent level of play in tight matches. Thus, her game is still vulnerable, but doesn't fall into complete collapse.

no i agree. she has a very flippant approach to playing henin now that makes her able to play each point as just another point, it works in that at 7-6 in the tie break she can pull the trigger and hit a million mile an hour forehand winner.

equally it means when she is winning she can let the momentum go in a flash as she is not playing her game according to the scoreboard. like she will still go for shots instead of making a clearly struggling with timing henin play.

I agree. It's probably the best mid-set for her, without getting extremely analytical. It's no guarantee for success, but she seems markedly less constrained. That said, Clijsters's nerves have rarelt frayed outside of the Slams.

Hmmm...or maybe Henin herself isn't as clutch as she used to be?

There's definitely an argument for this. Henin DF'd on a match-point in Brisbane did she not? It was either that or an inexplicably bad error.

changel
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:26 PM
Don't think so, she was the favorite to win OZ, and she imploded against Petrova.

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:37 PM
Don't think so, she was the favorite to win OZ, and she imploded against Petrova.

She didn't implode. She simply sucked in that match. She was horrendously, atrociously bad.