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youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:42 AM
:happy:

strictennis
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:42 AM
Yes

azinna
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
laughter
a mess of a match
good, though, to see they care enough about the outcome to play like uber-talented rookies

urklerlay
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
whoo hoo!!!

sfan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
One of the worst matches by two top players, just errors from both. Kim served 3 doublefaults twice in 1 game.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
F*CKKK YESSSSSSSSS

:sobbing: kim i'm soooo proud of you

MH0861
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
OMG, how much harder did Kim make that on herself? :rolls:

~{X}~
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
I have no words. BRISBANE ALL OVER AGAIN. If this is how all their matches will go from now on, fuck this. :drink:

Caralenko
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
:spit: They are fucking awful when given a lead.
It was 6-2 6-7(3) 7-6(6) btw.

thelittlestelf
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
yay! didn't even watch it, but it sounds pretty bad.

vixter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
YES!!! omg what a finish great stuff..

njtennis17
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
Kim!!

At least the last two points were good, that backhand volley that Kim squeaked over.:eek:

matty
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
I was rooting for Justine--Oh well--great fight!

tdot.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
What a match.... :help:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
Ugly ugly ugly match. Justine :rolleyes: Kim is not that good of a closer so losing to her in 3 set tiebreaks twice is no bueno.

Rafito.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
:woohoo: Thank god kim!

lightningquick
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
darn ju you had yout chances like brisbane again, well you certainly didnt deserve to win if you played like that.

rest up and hope you do well in the clay season.

Shinjiro
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
wow

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Good for the board :)

Mightymirza
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
hehe what an UGLYYYYYYYYYYYYY match!

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
That match point was BLISS

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
:haha:

Kim is the better Belgium. :sad:

InsideOut.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Justine outchoked Kim :spit: Such a roller-coaster third set. And Kim had to make it so difficult for herself.

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
YES YES YES

I have to say as much as Kim choked and played badly, I'm impressed by the good shots she made (especially in TB)... she really fought.

jefrilibra
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/4sd79y-jpg.jpg

sfan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Kim made 63 unforced errors
Justine made 44 unforced errors and 19 winners

107 UNFORCED errors in three sets :tears:

friendsita
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
tonsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss of errors
congrats Kim!

vwfan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
that was just:o

I mean the other semi was not great either, but at least it was short! :lol:

Daniel K
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Oh man that was nuts.

So happy for her she was struggling massively out there.

Fretchap
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
:lol: She so should have won like 6-2 6-1

Ty-Ty
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Everyone can say it was a chokefest, and it was somewhat was, but I enjoyed it. Overall I was entertained. :) What amazing last two points, go Kim.

Arnian
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
I'm mentally exhausted, how the fuck did you let her win that Justine, goddammit

Gdsimmons
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Not the prettiest match
But I am satisfied with the winner

zxcVbnm88
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
37 winners but 63 UE from Kim and she won!!!!

iPatty
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
I will post more thoughts on this match in the morning.

I) That volley Clijsters hit at 66 in the tiebreaker was the luckiest shot I have ever seen a professional hit. :o
II) Her reaction after she hit that final forehand winner was one of the best reactions I have ever seen from a professional. Pure relief and balled-up emotion poured into a facial expression.

Congratulations Kim, even if it was the equivalent of pulling teeth.

keinimod
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
Congratulations on the title, Venus

Jane Lane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
holy sh**.
all i can say.
epic chokefest from both. comedy of errors from both. mental midget status.
how the hell did kim get that volley at 6-6 in the TB?

hablo
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
Clijsters choked so many times though!!! :haha::banana:

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
Kim totally tried her best to lose this match.
Well done Kimmie. Don't worry, I understand. It's tough.

debby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
:sobbing: I want to cry. Since when Justine is such a choker ?

I am sorry but Kim is now less a choker than Justine, Justine SHOULD have won this, she was awful. Awful.
Kim will never beat Justine properly whereas Justine can, I mean Justine had 19 winners to 44 w. :rolls: I can't wait to see Justine THRASHING Kim like she should on clay. Really I can't wait for it.

Now, haters, you can enjoy it. :sobbing:

helio_c
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
Kim made 63 unforced errors
Justine made 44 unforced errors and 19 winners

107 UNFORCED errors in three sets :tears:

wta :spit:

Loved the drama, though :drool:

Kimmie :hearts:

Volcana
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
63 UEs

Serena Clijsters

thegreendestiny
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
yay! didn't even watch it, but it sounds pretty bad.

Was not that bad actually. A lot of momentum shifts and choking but its was epic nonetheless. It was waaaaayyy better than the Williams semi last year.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:45 AM
I will post more thoughts on this match in the morning.

I) That volley Clijsters hit at 66 in the tiebreaker was the luckiest shot I have ever seen a professional hit. :o
II) Her reaction after she hit that final forehand winner was one of the best reactions I have ever seen from a professional. Pure relief and balled-up emotion poured into a facial expression.

Congratulations Kim, even if it was the equivalent of pulling teeth.

Totally agree. I'm sooo exhausted right now

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
Kim made 63 unforced errors
Justine made 44 unforced errors and 19 winners

107 UNFORCED errors in three sets :tears:

Sharapova vs Oudin USO. Sharapova made 96 errors by herself :happy:

égalité
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
I only saw the first set and the last two points :sobbing:

Those were good at least.

Kim :worship:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
OMFG :hysteric: Brisbane 2.0. I have no words :hysteric: This is so wrong, on so many levels.
Terrible quality but the drama was out of this world.

Love you, Kimster :kiss: Thanks for a great bday present :D

Craigy
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
That was hilarious. :lol: Loved it.

Infiniti2001
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
The first semi was not as bad as was made out to be after all :rolls: Meanwhile, I'm happy it's Kim. Miss Vee owes her some payback :p

Inger67
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
Out of Suicide Tennis :sad:

Damn you Justine!

Rocketta
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
Glad I didn't care who won this match. :lol: :spit:

Orbis
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
Pretty bad quality-wise, but loaded with drama, so it was pretty great to watch at times actually. That backhand volley from Clijsters in the tiebreak was orgasmic. A couple of other spectacular points here and there.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM
I'm mentally exhausted, how the fuck did you let her win that Justine, goddammit

Because she was even crappier, and shouldn't have reached the semis anyway? :happy:

lucashg
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
Sad for Justine, but Kim deserved this. It was an awful match, but full of drama and had its few moments. Justine needs to come out stronger in their next match and do not fumble when leading! Kim helpled her plenty to stay in the match and almost lost! They're both my faves, but obviously when they meet up I want Justine to kick Kim's ass. Well, maybe next time.

Now beat Venus, Kim!

nfl46
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
Great match. It was anyone's match toward the end. Poor Justine. Well, she has to clay season to look forward to. LOL. I bet Kim won't beat her then.

BlackPanther.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
:woohoo: :woohoo:

Vincey!
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
So many UEs when they were leading lol!!!! I'm glad Justine lost :D...Kim :D is now 12-12 in their H2H :eek: now that's a rivalry ;)

eck
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
The so called best match of the year was followed up by possibly the WORST match of the year, especially between two high profiled players.

Non of them wanted to be in the final.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
I will post more thoughts on this match in the morning.

I) That volley Clijsters hit at 66 in the tiebreaker was the luckiest shot I have ever seen a professional hit. :o

Yep. But that's tennis. You get lucky sometimes.


II) Her reaction after she hit that final forehand winner was one of the best reactions I have ever seen from a professional. Pure relief and balled-up emotion poured into a facial expression.

I agree. Great reaction.

Vikapower
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
True ugly match and the 107 UE in 3 sets and the 15789578455684 DF and all the chocking from Kim <ith 63 UE and Justine who let her do so. :eek:

mdterp01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
HELL TO THE MOTHERF*CKING YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That stick, save, and a beaut at 6-6 was AMAZING!!! GO KIM!!

THANK GOD KIM BUT WTF?!!! Up 6-2 and 3-0 with a break point to go up 4-0 and it ends up being won after a second and third set tiebreak. Had a break in the third, lost it, a break again to serve for the match, lost it. Had 3 match points at 6-3 in the breaker only to see Justine storm back. If Kim had lost this match, it could've really affected her mentally going forward vs Justine. Its clear she's not the most mentally tough player but its much better for her to have won this match than lost it!! WONDERFUL!!!

Justin :wavey:

GL in final against Venus, Kim. Two of my faves in the final. Two veterans of the game showing the youngsters how its done!! I love it. So glad its Kim vs Venus cuz if Venus loses I can stand it much more to Kim than Justin!!!!

aussie_fan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
Kim should of won that so much easier than she did, she was controlling all the points just gave away with way too many errors. The Brisbane match was better quality but this was entertaining, there were some nice shots played.

Edinboro
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM
Yeah it was ugly but it was the most thrilling match of the year period!

freeandlonely
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
:help:
some errors are unreal from both
congrats Kim

2moretogo
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
oh that was bad from the wta saviors. dreadful.

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
Kim made 63 unforced errors
Justine made 44 unforced errors and 19 winners

107 UNFORCED errors in three sets :tears:

However, like in Brisbane, the Belgian fans are going to call it a great match.

LeRoy.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
New H2H ?

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
I do think the Kim of old would have lost this match after losing the lead for the first time... Yes, she played like ass at times and choked multiple times, but I'm impressed that she was able to finish this shit with a win, despite choking multiple times.

But what a hot mess indeed.... so much drama though. Some points from Kim were terrific... don't understand what's up with her being so inconsistent

Ntour
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:48 AM
justine really needs to get her shit together, she is so patchy at the moment, soo many errors.

again she had chances but just couldn't take it. that volley of kims at 6-6 in the TB was extremely fortunate

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:49 AM
However, like in Brisbane, the Belgian fans are going to call it a great match.

It wasn't broadcasted here, so you'll have to wait till tomorrow :happy:

Noctis
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:49 AM
:sobbing: I want to cry. Since when Justine is such a choker ?

I am sorry but Kim is now less a choker than Justine, Justine SHOULD have won this, she was awful. Awful.
Kim will never beat Justine properly whereas Justine can, I mean Justine had 19 winners to 44 w. :rolls: I can't wait to see Justine THRASHING Kim like she should on clay. Really I can't wait for it.

Now, haters, you can enjoy it. :sobbing:

I Dont enjoy this. the fact Henin managed 15 games,she should have been bageled. She hitted less winners than Wozniacki i enjoy that though

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:49 AM
WTAWorld will be in peace , free from the most annoying fanbase for a while

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:49 AM
Justine didn't choke. She was just bad, with a few good points here and there. Kim wasn't even playing that well, but it was clear that she was much better until she decided to choke. Justine's forehand was like Wozniacki's. :tape:

Midnight_Robber
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM
Nice exchange at the net, though I'm wondering when Venus and Justine will finally meet... :shrug: Would have preferred Justine, but Kim deserved her win and will probably be very dangerous in the finals. Nevertheless:

UFES: Kim 63 Justine: 44
Winners: Kim: 37 Justine: 19

DFs: 10:8

7 breaks of serve with the 3rd set being a comedy of errors at times. :o

Congrats to Kim - she did look the stronger of the two and was more aggressive but I must say this. I'm more than happy to call out my fave when she plays erratic or crap tennis, but boy has it been annoying as hell to hear the commentator come up with all kinds of explanations as to why they're double faulting or hitting absurd errors. (Fatigue, distraction, lack of confidence etc.) And while this is going on they're talking about Brisbane as one of the best, if not the best match of the last decade? :haha:

But the usual suspects will come along and try and pass off choking as incredibly interesting drama or will argue that it was quality match or whatever. I hope the final is better than this. :rolleyes:

Hashim.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM
OMG:sobbing:
Well done Kim..please stop choking:sobbing:

Justine:hug:

eck
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM
Oh and a special mention to kaghat, who jinxed Justine. :worship:

mdterp01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM
107 Unforced Errors Is Ugly Tennis!!!!!

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM
However, like in Brisbane, the Belgian fans are going to call it a great match.

Brisbane was a great match and everyone pretty much said so. I think Andy Roddick said it was the best women's match he had seen in years and others lauded its quality.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM
justine really needs to get her shit together, she is so patchy at the moment, soo many errors.

I don't know why but this really made me laugh out loud.
She is trying, it's just not all coming together.
Hopefully she eventually finds her groove.

mankind
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:51 AM
Kim deserved the win. Justine didn't do much good throughout the entire match - Kim pretty much dictated what was going on out there. Probably should have won it in 2. Good intensity and effort from Ju though to grab a set and make it so tight. I don't enjoy watching her ballbashing, hopefully tactics will change come clay season and we'll see some of that beautiful tennis from Justine again.

DragonFlame
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:51 AM
Fuck this match and outcome. Hate it, complete copy of brisbane.

Losing fucking mental battles to kim clijsters :shrug: 1st tournament back ok, but not now anymore. Argh i want to kick something.

Justine, A LOT of work to do. :(

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:51 AM
Oh and a special mention to kaghat, who jinxed Justine. :worship:

Kaghat :fiery::mad:

Vee Williams
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:51 AM
107 Unforced Errors Is Ugly Tennis!!!!!

And Venus Williams (the one we saw the last couple of days) wasn't even on court!

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:52 AM
I will post more thoughts on this match in the morning.

I) That volley Clijsters hit at 66 in the tiebreaker was the luckiest shot I have ever seen a professional hit. :o
II) Her reaction after she hit that final forehand winner was one of the best reactions I have ever seen from a professional. Pure relief and balled-up emotion poured into a facial expression.

Congratulations Kim, even if it was the equivalent of pulling teeth.

this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was so happy to see kim let that raw emotion out at the end, you can see her visibley bottle it up when playing justine whether out of respect or pure intimidation.

that volley was i think off the tip of the frame and had kim not been standing an inch away from the net would not have gone over lol.

great that she won it with a stunning winner though.

kim played herself and henin out there and came through. ok she made life hard for herself but as a fan it is pleasing she got there in the end.

if these 2 continue this throughout the year i just cant watch it, my heart was skipping a beat on every clijsters shot in the tie break.

Morning Morgan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:52 AM
Justine should have lost earlier, totally getting overpowered when Kim was getting her groundies in. Kim is still a mental midget, but definitely less socompared to pre-retirement.

And that volley at 66. At that point I knew it was fated.

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:52 AM
It wasn't broadcasted here, so you'll have to wait till tomorrow :happy:
Belgian fans=fans of the Belgian players, and not the fans in the country of Belgium.:happy:

Eduardo Oliveira
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:52 AM
:worship:
Kim played very well
the 2 last points :eek:

Juju :sad:
Again a lost agaist Kim, but great torunament!! :yeah:

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:53 AM
Fuck this match and outcome. Hate it, complete copy of brisbane.

Losing fucking mental battles to kim clijsters :shrug: 1st tournament back ok, but not now anymore. Argh i want to kick something.

Justine, A LOT of work to do. :(

This is the big shocker to me. I mean no offense to Kim but mentally, she is definitely not great. Justine has her mental giant moments but to mentally lose to Kim is just :weirdo:

gEtItToGeThEeEeEerRr!!!!!111!!111

fantic
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:53 AM
I'm just thankful they're back :bigcry:

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:53 AM
Brisbane was a great match and everyone pretty much said so. I think Andy Roddick said it was the best women's match he had seen in years and others lauded its quality.
It had over 100 errors in that one too.....it was choking from Kim that made it close. Same situation here.

Ntour
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
I don't know why but this really made me laugh out loud.
She is trying, it's just not all coming together.
Hopefully she eventually finds her groove.

I'm hoping she picks up some confidence on the clay and carries through the rest of the season

I was disappointed with justines play most of the match, she was playing up the middle and letting Kim completely dominate the points

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
Justine is 0-3 against Serena and Kim this year.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
Belgian fans=fans of the Belgian players, and not the fans in the country of Belgium.:happy:

Isn't it then 'the fans of the belgians' instead of 'belgian fans' :happy:

Steven.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
A lot of unforced errors, but ti gets worse when you compare it to the winners. And then the double faults in comparison to aces.

Eh, good job Clijsters for winning the match I guess, but Henin's going to win French Open!!!!!!!!! (Maybe sharapova though.... Wimbledon 2004, US Open 2006, Australian Open 2008, French 2010, Olympics 2012. It all makes sense!)

harloo
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
YES!! Now if Vee doesn't win the final I can at least accept Kim winning. :lol: This match was awful, just downright ghastly. I thought today's semi was a wreck but this had to be the worst match of the year.

Kim is still a choking mess. She basically gift wrapped the match for Justine. I bet if Justine played a little better she would have snatched her present.:lol: It's obvious Kim is still the exact same player that left the tour. When things get tight(even if she's in control) her opponents still have a chance. She could have closed it out in two easy sets. SMH.

muniu
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
I can't believe I stayed to watch this shit :o it's 6 a.m.
anyway I'm soooooooooo happy and mentally exhausted at the same time, I have to go to bed
well-kur*a-done KIM :woohoo:

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:54 AM
It had over 100 errors in that one too.....it was choking from Kim that made it close. Same situation here.

Not even close.. Kim did choke the second set, but that match was a million times better than this one. I've watched both matches from start to finish and they couldn't be farther away in terms of quality.

Vikapower
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:55 AM
I'm just thankful they're back :bigcry:
Yeah great to see two girls adding their share of ballbashing and chocking to the general WTA ballbashers/chochers :worship: :help:

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:55 AM
This is the big shocker to me. I mean no offense to Kim but mentally, she is definitely not great. Justine has her mental giant moments but to mentally lose to Kim is just :weirdo:

gEtItToGeThEeEeEerRr!!!!!111!!111

Kim doesn't really feel that she can do much more than win tournaments, so she lost the mental bagage. As for Justine, she thinks and wants to rule the top again and start winning slams and that pressure drags her down.

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
The third set was fantastic quality, pretty much all through out, bar the choking. If you didn't see some of the amazing tennis there, then I pity you. :shrug:

Anyway, Kim was the better tennis player. It's not even close. The choking though is just absurd. But it always seemed like the match was on her racket, until she decided to blew up leads time and time again. Clearly she's having nightmares about Justine. The only reason the match got close was 1) Kim's choking 2) Justine's incredible fighting and stretching herself beyond her form today.

I'm really reconsidering whether I would call myself a Justine fan anymore. The backhand is not the same shot it was 3/4 years ago. The forehand is a disaster. Her game just looks plain fugly.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
I'm hoping she picks up some confidence on the clay and carries through the rest of the season

I was disappointed with justines play most of the match, she was playing up the middle and letting Kim completely dominate the points

This seems to be her new thing now.
She was the queen of angles before but now she is hitting straight up the court. She is doing this in all of her matches back.
Don't know what the game plan is but up the middle is not a great one Carlos.

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
Nice exchange at the net, though I'm wondering when Venus and Justine will finally meet... :shrug: Would have preferred Justine, but Kim deserved her win and will probably be very dangerous in the finals. Nevertheless:

UFES: Kim 63 Justine: 44
Winners: Kim: 37 Justine: 19

DFs: 10:8

7 breaks of serve with the 3rd set being a comedy of errors at times. :o

Congrats to Kim - she did look the stronger of the two and was more aggressive but I must say this. I'm more than happy to call out my fave when she plays erratic or crap tennis, but boy has it been annoying as hell to hear the commentator come up with all kinds of explanations as to why they're double faulting or hitting absurd errors. (Fatigue, distraction, lack of confidence etc.) And while this is going on they're talking about Brisbane as one of the best, if not the best match of the last decade? :haha:

But the usual suspects will come along and try and pass off choking as incredibly interesting drama or will argue that it was quality match or whatever. I hope the final is better than this. :rolleyes:

Agreed. If this were a Serena-Venus match they'd be lambasting how bad of a match it was. :rolleyes:

danieln1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
Clijsters did the same against hingis, won with more than 60 unforced

Very dramatic match, I loved it...

Now Kim will lose to Venus in the final

Lachy
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
Nooooooooo :help:

mdterp01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:57 AM
Agreed. If this were a Serena-Venus match they'd be lambasting how bad of a match it was. :rolleyes:

THIS!!!!

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:57 AM
The third set was fantastic quality, pretty much all through out, bar the choking. If you didn't see some of the amazing tennis there, then I pity you. :shrug:

Anyway, Kim was the better tennis player. It's not even close. The choking though is just absurd. But it always seemed like the match was on her racket, until she decided to blew up leads time and time again. Clearly she's having nightmares about Justine. The only reason the match got close was 1) Kim's choking 2) Justine's incredible fighting and stretching herself beyond her form today.

I'm really reconsidering whether I would call myself a Justine fan anymore. The backhand is not the same shot it was 3/4 years ago. The forehand is a disaster. Her game just looks plain fugly.

:bs: Great drama, but the tennis was ugly throughout. If this were a Venus and Serena match I am sure you'd be the first in the thread criticizing the quality of play. :help:

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:58 AM
Agreed. If this were a Serena-Venus match they'd be lambasting how bad of a match it was. :rolleyes:Not too many people are calling it a good match. A lot of people are calling it a bad match.
Go through this thread and telling me how many people are calling it bad versus how many think it's good.

It's my favourite "bad" match though. By a lot. :lol:
The third set was fantastic quality, pretty much all through out, bar the choking. If you didn't see some of the amazing tennis there, then I pity you. :shrug:It wasn't fantastic. There were some great points here and there, with a ton of bad errors. But Justine was mostly impotent and it was easy for Kim to take charge. I don't think Kim played great even when she wasn't choking.

RenaSlam.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:59 AM
That was bad. :tape:

That's all I can say. The serving was atrocious.

Midnight_Robber
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:00 AM
This is the big shocker to me. I mean no offense to Kim but mentally, she is definitely not great. Justine has her mental giant moments but to mentally lose to Kim is just :weirdo:

gEtItToGeThEeEeEerRr!!!!!111!!111

I have to...agree with you here.
Honestly, Kim was trying to hand her that match gift-wrapped on a single platter and I was really surprised to see Justine continually return the favour as opposed to consolidating.

That said, that I also agree with other posters that Kim still backed herself and didn't totally collapse when she made ridiculous errors and instead willed her self to remain aggressive. She's more confident than she used to be. Justine also seemed to struggle to handle the depth and pace that Kim hit. :shrug:

@Aces High - I like my torture short and brief rather than extended across 3 protracted sets. :rolleyes: I'm not going to argue that this match was better or worse than Venus-Bartoli. (The fact that you're even comparing this match to Venus_Bartoli says everything!) But frankly I don't even need to compare matches to be able to assert that this was a bad match entirely in its own right.

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:00 AM
The match was ASS, especially after the first set and into the first few games of the second.

But the drama was awesome....so at least it was entertaining for that reason. there were some great points here and there, so it's not a total loss.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:01 AM
I'm really reconsidering whether I would call myself a Justine fan anymore. The backhand is not the same shot it was 3/4 years ago. The forehand is a disaster. Her game just looks plain fugly.

It looks to me like the confidence just isn't there. The forced aggression and refusal to give up court just looks like a total bluff.
Her game is SOOO forced now. I DO NOT LIKE IT!!! It is not attractive tennis.
I want 2003 Henin back :sad:

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:01 AM
In another thread, I said I preferred the Venus-Bartoli match.. not sure what you're talking about

-jenks-
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:02 AM
Great job finally closing it out Kim! Please do it in straights next time though!

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:02 AM
It had over 100 errors in that one too.....it was choking from Kim that made it close. Same situation here.

kim only chokes and theres is so much drama because both want it so badly especially over each other. i'll take that over all WS battles in which neither looks intrested let alone wanting to win and the matches that go the distance between them are still flat as pancakes.

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:03 AM
It looks to me like the confidence just isn't there. The forced aggression and refusal to give up court just looks like a total bluff.
Her game is SOOO forced now. I DO NOT LIKE IT!!! It is not attractive tennis.
I want 2003 Henin back :sad:It's not like she's actually aggressive. At AO maybe. But not in the last two matches. Hitting the ball as hard as you can down the middle of the court when you get the opportunity is not aggressive in my book. It's just hitting the ball as hard as you can down the middle of the court.

I have to say that I quite like how she was serving this tournament (even today), but the ground game is a disaster. Backhand is being overpowered a la 2001; forehand a mere brush when she's defending (that short swing does not give her enough racket head speed to hit through the ball), yielding short loopy midcourt balls, almost reminiscent of the Pushniack. She hit a total of ONE dropshot today, choosing instead to roll the ball back in play when she got a short ball.

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:03 AM
It looks to me like the confidence just isn't there. The forced aggression and refusal to give up court just looks like a total bluff.
Her game is SOOO forced now. I DO NOT LIKE IT!!! It is not attractive tennis.
I want 2003 Henin back :sad:

I watched her against Sharapova in 2005 just yesterday. :sad:

That forehand is awful. She can't construct points with it. No angles, barely any variation. When the ball is deep, all she can do is hit short up the middle of the court. It's too much of a tough stroke for her to pull it out. It needs a lot of racket head control to control the speed and the acceleration she's putting into it. It all looks like shite.

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:04 AM
Originally Posted by Apoleb http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=17522802#post17522802)
I'm really reconsidering whether I would call myself a Justine fan anymore. The backhand is not the same shot it was 3/4 years ago. The forehand is a disaster. Her game just looks plain fugly.
It looks to me like the confidence just isn't there. The forced aggression and refusal to give up court just looks like a total bluff.
Her game is SOOO forced now. I DO NOT LIKE IT!!! It is not attractive tennis.
I want 2003 Henin back :sad:

It is the same ugly strokes just amp up, so now you see it more. The strokes are not pretty....

Leo
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:05 AM
:sobbing: I want to cry. Since when Justine is such a choker ?

I am sorry but Kim is now less a choker than Justine, Justine SHOULD have won this, she was awful. Awful.
Kim will never beat Justine properly whereas Justine can, I mean Justine had 19 winners to 44 w. :rolls: I can't wait to see Justine THRASHING Kim like she should on clay. Really I can't wait for it.

Now, haters, you can enjoy it. :sobbing:

This post is full of delusion.

Justine should have won? Kim can't beat Justine properly? Oi vey...

ChriS.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:05 AM
The third set was fantastic quality, pretty much all through out, bar the choking. If you didn't see some of the amazing tennis there, then I pity you. :shrug:

Anyway, Kim was the better tennis player. It's not even close. The choking though is just absurd. But it always seemed like the match was on her racket, until she decided to blew up leads time and time again. Clearly she's having nightmares about Justine. The only reason the match got close was 1) Kim's choking 2) Justine's incredible fighting and stretching herself beyond her form today.

I'm really reconsidering whether I would call myself a Justine fan anymore. The backhand is not the same shot it was 3/4 years ago. The forehand is a disaster. Her game just looks plain fugly.I agree. I saw just the last six games and the tiebreak. I thought some of the tennis was of the highest quality. They were going for their shots so of course they made some errors. Kim was far superior but Justine is such a fighter. Glad Kim won it as I like it when the good guy wins.

So Disrespectful
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:05 AM
Good wins!

Midnight_Robber
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:06 AM
Not too many people are calling it a good match. A lot of people are calling it a bad match.
It wasn't fantastic. There were some great points here and there, with a ton of bad errors. But Justine was mostly impotent and it was easy for Kim to take charge. I don't think Kim played great even when she wasn't choking.

Please. G1Player is right. If this had been the WS they'd be torn to shreds by commentators and this board alike. Heck, even when they play matches with a barrage of winners and an unprecedented level of power, speed and serving that is comparable to what you'd get on the ATP - as opposed the crap serving that we just saw - they still get dismissed as 'boring' and ripped to shreds for their performance.

Excuses, excuses, excuses - terrible match from both Kim and Justine. No way around it. Mid-way through the second set I got so bored that when Shakira started carrying on in the background I actually started to watch her instead. And I was actually laughing out loud at some of the tennis in that third set.

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:06 AM
kim only chokes and theres is so much drama because both want it so badly especially over each other. i'll take that over all WS battles in which neither looks intrested let alone wanting to win and the matches that go the distance between them are still flat as pancakes.
:shrug:Opinions and assholes.......you know the rest:shrug:

vejh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:07 AM
Let's be honest, this match was painful, dramatic but painful to watch.lol. Justine Henin must be forced to watch this tape over and over again.lol. Let's all just forget about this.lol.

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:07 AM
kim only chokes and theres is so much drama because both want it so badly especially over each other. i'll take that over all WS battles in which neither looks intrested let alone wanting to win and the matches that go the distance between them are still flat as pancakes.

You guys see?! Now, he didn't have to bring up WS matches at all in this post but used it anyway. :rolleyes: Proving my point once more. Like I said, if this were a WS match there'd be storms of people saying how bad it was.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:08 AM
I watched her against Sharapova in 2005 just yesterday. :sad:

That forehand is awful. She can't construct points with it. No angles, barely any variation. When the ball is deep, all she can do is hit short up the middle of the court. It's too much of a tough stroke for her to pull it out. It needs a lot of racket head control to control the speed and the acceleration she's putting into it. It all looks like shite.

Exactly. It's not easy at all to do what she is trying to do. I am just going to wait for Wimbledon and see what happens on the grass.

(Common sense tells me you don't play the kind of game that your biggest opponents favor on their favorite surface and expect to come out on top, but I am not a coach)

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:08 AM
:shrug:Opinions and asshole.......you know the rest:shrug:

i take it from that reply you have nothing to argue back, thats fine i understand :wavey:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:08 AM
:shrug:Opinions and assholes.......you know the rest:shrug:

:lol: I agree. No reason to bring up WS matches just because we said this match was bad quality but I knew it'd happen. Troll...

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:09 AM
Exactly. It's not easy at all to do what she is trying to do. I am just going to wait for Wimbledon and see what happens on the grass.

(Common sense tells me you don't play the kind of game that your biggest opponents favor on their favorite surface and expect to come out on top, but I am not a coach)

Justine should beat Kim on grass comfortably.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:09 AM
You guys see?! Now, he didn't have to bring up WS matches at all in this post but used it anyway. :rolleyes: Proving my point once more. Like I said, if this were a WS match there'd be storms of people saying how bad it was.

Sammy is all of a sudden 'storms of people'??
Who else has said it?

How many Justine and Kim fans have said the match was bad? It seems to me you are looking for something that isn't there.

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:09 AM
Please. G1Player is right. If this had been the WS they'd be torn to shreds by commentators and this board alike. Heck, even when they play matches with a barrage of winners and an unprecedented level of power, speed and serving that is comparable to what you'd get on the ATP - as opposed the crap serving that we just saw - they still get dismissed as 'boring' and ripped to shreds for their performance.

Excuses, excuses, excuses - terrible match from both Kim and Justine. No way around it. Mid-way through the second set I got so bored that when Shakira started carrying on in the background I actually started to watch her instead. And I was actually laughing out loud at some of the tennis in that third set.What's this? - Proof by assertion? I don't see this magical majority calling this match good. A lot of people are having a good laugh at it because it is beyond analysis. And a lot of people are happy/excited that Justine lost. To Kim. Again.

#kArLoS#
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:10 AM
A match like this,full of drama,a lot of UEs combined with some good rallies and then the chokefest led by Kim and then followed by Justine only can be WTA as it´s best.And the handshake was really cool,Justine kissed kim;).For sure she was frustated but she did not show it;)
Well done,Kim,you are winning these thrilles by now:ras:
See you in clay,Ju;).I am pretty sure you will bounce back:cheer:
Oh,and let the haters enjoy:)
PD:someone change this Henis in the thread title,please:sobbing:

Lucemferre
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:10 AM
I'm mentally exhausted, how the fuck did you let her win that Justine, goddammit

I asked Kim the same question after 62 30 :tape:

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:11 AM
Please. G1Player is right. If this had been the WS they'd be torn to shreds by commentators and this board alike. Heck, even when they play matches with a barrage of winners and an unprecedented level of power, speed and serving that is comparable to what you'd get on the ATP - as opposed the crap serving that we just saw - they still get dismissed as 'boring' and ripped to shreds for their performance. .

That's not really true. Their US Open match in '08 was praised by the commentators, IIRC.

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:11 AM
im just one of those white devils g2player1 hates so much. and go look back at your posts you have brought up the WS in this thread, you want them to stay out of it don't bring them up :wave:

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:11 AM
Justine should beat Kim on grass comfortably.

Justine is a better grass court player than Kim, but if she plays on grass at this same level, then she isn't winning. I believe she will get better though.

Arnian
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:12 AM
Because she was even crappier, and shouldn't have reached the semis anyway? :happy:

since when did you become so annoying

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM
Sammy is all of a sudden 'storms of people'??
Who else has said it?

How many Justine and Kim fans have said the match was bad? It seems to me you are looking for something that isn't there.

Well, there's mostly Justine fans in here and most of the diehard Justine fans in this thread are mostly focusing on her losing the match and not the WS as they should be. Sammy01 hates the WS and isn't even a Justine fan so he can shove it.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM
since when did you become so annoying

And you are mister pleasant right? :happy:

Arnian
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM
And you are mister pleasant right? :happy:

I actually liked you.... up until recently when you became troll like :rolleyes:

debby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM
This post is full of delusion.

Justine should have won? Kim can't beat Justine properly? Oi vey...

Please, she always chokes against Justine. At Brisbane , Justine was not that great (imo the final is so overrated, I don't say it because Justine lost it but because both choked/played well at different times, there were a lot of great winners but meh... imo the drama fakes everything) , today neither, and she still pushes kim to a tie break, because Kim can't close it out easily against her. :tape:

The last time that Kim beat her in straights was Toronto 2005 : 75 61 .

Yeah Justine should have won if she played a bit better. That's all I am saying. I don't think she lost all her game, I think she has lost her brain, I want her to construct the points, I miss the smart Justine. But she has to work that FH.

Nobody talking about their nice exhange at the net ? :happy: Justine kissed her. :lol:

mdterp01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 AM
:shrug:Opinions and assholes.......you know the rest:shrug:

PWNED!!!! :lol:

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:14 AM
I actually liked you.... up until recently when you became troll like :rolleyes:

Thank you. But you can blame the Justine fans for it :happy:

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:16 AM
i take it from that reply you have nothing to argue back, thats fine i understand :wavey:
http://i42.tinypic.com/mal5c4.jpg

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:17 AM
Justine is a better grass court player than Kim, but if she plays on grass at this same level, then she isn't winning. I believe she will get better though.

If Justine loses to Kim on grass, or even Venus or Serena; then they have some thinking to do about their careers. The problem on grass is that Kim's best strengths the others do just as well. Footwork, movement and speed aren't much of an issue on grass as it is on hardcourts or clay to someone like Venus and sometimes Serena or even Justine for that matter. They are just as fast as Kim on a grasscourt. And, Justine has a low slice that I know Kim hates hitting which is perfect for grass. I highly doubt Justine will lose to Kim on a claycourt and especially on grass. Kim has more of a chance on clay than grass.

#kArLoS#
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:17 AM
Thank you. But you can blame the Justine fans for it :happy:

why?:awww:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:18 AM
I actually liked you.... up until recently when you became troll like :rolleyes:

Arnian you call everyone who doesn't support Justine a troll.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:18 AM
i take it from that reply you have nothing to argue back, thats fine i understand :wavey:

Is that the best GOATsammy can do? :happy:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:18 AM
didn't caro hit more winners than jh??? :scratch:

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:18 AM
PWNED!!!! :lol:

http://i42.tinypic.com/mal5c4.jpg

2 more amazing responses, i guess when you have no arguement this is the next best thing. :kiss:


please win the final kim, i want you back in the top 10!

debby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:19 AM
Thank you. But you can blame the Justine fans for it :happy:

Do you think SOME Williams fans (at least I am not talking for all WS fans unlike you :rolleyes: ) are better ?

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:20 AM
why?:awww:

Debby did that, and the wine I drank. God need to sleep :happy:

Nite yall, and keep bitching :bigwave:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:20 AM
Thank you. But you can blame the Justine fans for it :happy:

The Justine fans don't actually bother me that much. Not the real ones. It's those fake Justine fans who aren't really fans of her but just support her over Serena who really annoy me. Like Sammy, and Matt and madmax or whatever his name. Those types. :p

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:21 AM
didn't caro hit more winners than jh??? :scratch:

yeah, justine was for the most part a mess, kim played herself as well as henin, still it made it drama filled.

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:21 AM
oh brother, enough with the fighting :rolleyes:

Let's all laugh at the hilarity that was this match :lol:

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:21 AM
Do you think SOME Williams fans (at least I am not talking for all WS fans unlike you :rolleyes: ) are better ?

Oh no, you have good and bad people in every fan base, but I support all my fellow posters regardlessly :lol:

Arnian
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:22 AM
Arnian you call everyone who doesn't support Justine a troll.

No in this case it applies and it's not about supporting or not supporting Justine and i actually don't use the phrase often anymore

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:22 AM
didn't caro hit more winners than jh??? :scratch:

For the love of all this is good in the world, somebody tell me this isn't true. :o

Roookie
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:22 AM
why are the WS fans all over this thread? :spit:

Great effort from Justine...soooooooo close. But Kim was the better player tonight. Good Luck in the final Kim :yeah:.

clay here we go :drive:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:22 AM
Oh no, you have good and bad people in every fan base, but I support all my fellow posters regardlessly :lol:

But don't lump all Justine fans together. Alot of them, and I hope I don't get grilled for this, are quite pleasant yet most of them are hardly in GM. The people you are mainly referring to aren't even fans of Justine but I know what you're talking about.

Lucemferre
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:23 AM
Clijsters did the same against hingis, won with more than 60 unforced

Very dramatic match, I loved it...

Now Kim will lose to Venus in the final

hingis could be overpowered much easier than henin.That's not very surprising.

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:23 AM
No in this case it applies and it's not about supporting or not supporting Justine and i actually don't use the phrase often anymore

youizahoe is definitely not a troll though.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:23 AM
But don't lump all Justine fans together. Alot of them, and I hope I don't get grilled for this, are quite pleasant yet most of them are hardly in GM. The people you are mainly referring to aren't even fans of Justine but I know what you're talking about.

I know, I don't generalize them, cause I don't know many of them :happy:

Arnian
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:24 AM
youizahoe is definitely not a troll though.

typically no, but I've been questioning that lately

serenafann
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:24 AM
Yes,well done Kim. Now lose to Venus.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:25 AM
youizahoe is definitely not a troll though.

I'm a certified troll though lately.

You know that trolls are made out of mud? I should tell my mommy I'm adopted :happy:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:25 AM
I know, I don't generalize them, cause I don't know many of them :happy:

You just did generalize by saying we can thank the Justine fans for that in regards to your reactions. :confused:

Dunlop1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:25 AM
I know, I don't generalize them, cause I don't know many of them :happy:

You are in love with this smilie: :happy:

:unsure:

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:25 AM
You just did generalize by saying we can thank the Justine fans for that in regards to your reactions. :confused:

Yeah but I didn't say I meant all of them, I didn't have a chance to name them yet :happy:

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:26 AM
You are in love with this smilie: :happy:

:unsure:

I know right :lol:

debby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:26 AM
Debby did that, and the wine I drank. God need to sleep :happy:

Nite yall, and keep bitching :bigwave:

Pathetic.

For the love of all this is good in the world, somebody tell me this isn't true. :o

Unfortunately yes.

21 winners Wozniacki and 19 winners Justine today. Sigh if Justine played like yesterday... 50 ues (like today 44 ues) but 52 winners, and a better serve. But I guess that's because Kim hits so deep shots.

vwfan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:26 AM
why are the WS fans all over this thread? :spit:

Great effort from Justine...soooooooo close. But Kim was the better player tonight. Good Luck in the final Kim :yeah:.

clay here we go :drive:maybe because the winner of this match plays a Williams in the final. :angel:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:26 AM
Yeah but I didn't say I meant all of them, I didn't have a chance to name them yet :happy:

I know who you are referring to though for sure. :lol:

#kArLoS#
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:26 AM
Debby did that, and the wine I drank. God need to sleep :happy:

Nite yall, and keep bitching :bigwave:

did what?
BTW please edite this Henis in the thread title;)

brickhousesupporter
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:27 AM
2 more amazing responses, i guess when you have no arguement this is the next best thing. :kiss:


please win the final kim, i want you back in the top 10!
http://i39.tinypic.com/20p1qvn.jpg
Nooooo for real.......you need to stop. My side are hurting.......

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:28 AM
did what?
BTW please edite this Henis in the thread title;)

Dunno, drove me crazy and in I don't like henin fans mode :lol:

But eurosport announced henin as henis :sad:

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:28 AM
Btw, you can't compare two matches like they are the same thing :smash:
I mean.. come on

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:29 AM
http://i39.tinypic.com/20p1qvn.jpg
Nooooo for real.......you need to stop. My side are hurting.......

I'm like that left guy right now. But I'm barely still on my chair :lol:

V-MAC
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:29 AM
Congrats to Kim but damn I was getting pumped at the prospect of a Vee/Juju final. It seems like they are only destined to play each other once in a blue moon:(

#kArLoS#
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:30 AM
Dunno, drove me crazy and in I don't like henin fans mode :lol:

But eurosport announced henin as henis :sad:

but ES is wrong,wont you change it?

debby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:32 AM
but ES is wrong,wont you change it?

Give up, he is obviously trolling. He knows very well Justine's family name.

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:32 AM
but ES is wrong,wont you change it?

There, did it for you. Happy now? :(

youizahoe
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:32 AM
Give up, he is obviously trolling. He knows very well Justine's family name.

I'm not trolling, ES did show HENIS instead of HENIN.

#kArLoS#
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:33 AM
There, did it for you. Happy now? :(

thank you:cheer:

Midnight_Robber
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:35 AM
What's this? - Proof by assertion? I don't see this magical majority calling this match good. A lot of people are having a good laugh at it because it is beyond analysis. And a lot of people are happy/excited that Justine lost. To Kim. Again.

:rolleyes: One more time: *if* this were the WS instead of the Belgians, chances are many more posters would be wholesale trashing the match, and wouldn't even bother to refer to 'good points' or any positives and we'd be in for a round of how much their matches inherently 'suck' etc. and other such analytical, circumspect and intelligent comments.

However, since the WS (thank God!) weren't the ones who produced this hot, smelly mess of a match - sure it's drawing some legitimate criticism, but not nearly as much as it would have if the WS had been the players on court. And despite the fact that the WS (than God!) aren't responsible for the error-fest we've just witnessed, you still get the impolitic Sammy taking pot-shots at the WS (for no apparent reason) by his lonesome. :confused: Again, if they'd been the ones responsible for this match, I wager that Sammy's voice would be a single voice in a large chorus of critical posters.

I don't think I'm incorrect in that there are already posters trying to minimalise how bad this match was by referencing 'the drama' or the great points that were played in the third set that you'd have to have been blind not to have seen, blah, blah. Even if people can't kid themselves that it was a brilliant display, you're not getting a flood of posters outright dismissing the worth of the match, or condemning the ('lack of') talent or ability of the players - are you? Instead there are a small handful of people trying very, very had to praise it, and a greater number determined to find various silver linings, analyse it, and to deliver qualified criticism etc.

And since you've directed your post at me moby, you are setting up your usual straw man argument that you're then proceeding to knock down.

I never said that a majority of posters would flood the thread to praise this match to the heavens so I don't know why you're arguing about this. :rolleyes: I said that we'd get the usual suspects trying to downplay how bad it was, and that posters wouldn't nearly so quick to harshly criticise as they would a similar display from the WS. So far, this is exactly how it's playing out.

Debby - I mentioned the exchange at the net. It was nice.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:37 AM
Why the comparison to WS match? WS match against each other lack any kind of drama and there are hardly any rallies. Not to mention it's hard to root for either player and you can see the discomfort both players face.

Anyway, I don't think Serena or Venus played tonight so I dont see why they are being mentioned.

Dazza01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:37 AM
Kim + Justine + SF of Miami = :smash:

It was entertaining, I'll give it that. However, the pain of that match was equivalent to getting you toenail ripped out of it's nail bed! :weirdo:

Still glad for Kim though. :)

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:40 AM
:rolleyes: One more time: *if* this were the WS instead of the Belgians, chances are many more posters would be wholesale trashing the match, and wouldn't even bother to refer to 'good points' or any positives and we'd be in for a round of how much their matches inherently 'suck' etc. and other such analytical, circumspect and intelligent comments.

However, since the WS (thank God!) weren't the ones who produced this hot, smelly mess of a match - sure it's drawing some legitimate criticism, but not nearly as much as it would have if the WS had been the players on court. And despite the fact that the WS (than God!) aren't responsible for the error-fest we've just witnessed, you still get the impolitic Sammy taking pot-shots at the WS (for no apparent reason) by his lonesome. :confused: Again, if they'd been the ones responsible for this match, I wager that Sammy's voice would be a single voice in a large chorus of critical posters.

I don't think I'm incorrect in that there are already posters trying to minimalise how bad this match was by referencing 'the drama' or the great points that were played in the third set that you'd have to have been blind not to have seen, blah, blah. Even if people can't kid themselves that it was a brilliant display, you're not getting a flood of posters outright dismissing the worth of the match, or condemning the ('lack of') talent or ability of the players - are you? Instead there are a small handful of people trying very, very had to praise it, and a greater number determined to find various silver linings, analyse it, and to deliver qualified criticism etc.

And since you've directed your post at me moby, you are setting up your usual straw man argument that you're then proceeding to knock down.

I never said that a majority of posters would flood the thread to praise this match to the heavens so I don't know why you're arguing about this. :rolleyes: I said that we'd get the usual suspects trying to downplay how bad it was, and that posters wouldn't nearly so quick to harshly criticise as they would a similar display from the WS. So far, this is exactly how it's playing out.

Debby - I mentioned the exchange at the net. It was nice.

:worship: :worship: Couldn't have said it better myself. And, it's nice that you mentioned Sammy mentioning the WS out of nowhere to take a potshot at them. :lol:

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:44 AM
:rolleyes: One more time: *if* this were the WS instead of the Belgians, chances are many more posters would be dissing the match. Since the WS (thank God!) weren't the ones that produced this hot mess - sure it's drawing some legitimate criticism, but not nearly as much as it would have if they the WS had been the players on court.

I don't think I'm incorrect in that there are already posters trying to minimalise how bad this match was by referencing 'the drama' or the great points that were played in the third set that you'd have to have been blind not to have seen, blah, blah. Even if people can't kid themselves that it was a brilliant display, you're not getting a flood of posters outright dismissing the worth of the match, or condemning the ('lack of') talent or ability of the players - are you? Instead there are a small handful of people trying very, very had to praise it, and a greater number determined to find various silver linings, analyse it, and to deliver qualified criticism etc.You're just being extremely sensitive when it comes to the players you like. The Williams sisters (particularly Serena) get a lot of praise for how they play the game. It wasn't popular when they first came on tour, but I don't think they don't get the respect they deserve. Sure, there will always be haters. But there are haters for every successful player.

I don't see why you're comparing this match to a WS match in the first place. Are you unhappy that the Belgians are not drawing more flake (and they're getting plenty of it) out of some sense of "equality", that there is not enough bitching?

And since you've directed your post at me moby, you are setting up your usual straw man argument that you're then proceeding to knock down.

I never said that a majority of posters would flood the thread to praise this match to the heavens so I don't know why you're arguing about this. :rolleyes: I said that we'd get the usual suspects trying to downplay how bad it was, and that posters wouldn't nearly so quick to harshly criticise as they would a similar display from the WS. So far, this is exactly how it's playing out.Not really, let me remind you that in your initial post on this subject you mentioned that... "But the usual suspects will come along and try and pass off choking as incredibly interesting drama or will argue that it was quality match or whatever". Which G1Player2 agreed to, and I responded that this was not true (that was my first post on this subject). So let me get this right? You're not happy even though the majority is deeming this match low quality? You want the "usual suspects" to do it too? There are "usual suspects" that go into Justine threads and diss her (not sure which fan base they're from, ahem) too, and "usual suspects" that praise the Williamses regardless of what they do.

Your initial argument is either a strawman, or meaningless.

And let me remind you that you were the first to directly respond to me.

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:47 AM
But moby, Sammy01 came into this threa dand did exactly what I expected. He brought up the WS when he didn't need to at all to take an unnessesary jab. Don't you think something is wrong with that?

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:48 AM
Check this old thread

http://www.tennisforum.com/archive/index.php/t-355641.html

Lots of people praised that match between WS

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:50 AM
Check this old thread

http://www.tennisforum.com/archive/index.php/t-355641.html

Lots of people praised that match between WS

that match and moreso, the Wimbledon match was praised by EVERYONE.

That USO match though was :help: chokefest if I've ever seen one

cellophane
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:51 AM
^ I enjoyed it... :p Yes, a *major* chokefest, but entertaining to watch.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:52 AM
^ I enjoyed it... :p Yes, a *major* chokefest, but entertaining to watch.

:sobbing: 10 set points. I can't believe you brought that up.. i had erased that from my memory and now it's back :lol:

ghost world
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:53 AM
Silly geese front and center for hours on end!?!

Seriously? :o :help: :o

Mikey.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:55 AM
:inlove: GOAT :inlove:

Besides those massive chokes.

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:02 AM
But moby, Sammy01 came into this threa dand did exactly what I expected. He brought up the WS when he didn't need to at all to take an unnessesary jab. Don't you think something is wrong with that?It was a jab at brickhousesupporter, not at either of the Williams sisters. He thought brickhousesupporter was dissing Kim (a player he likes) by dissing this hard-fought match she won, and so he decided to get back at bhs by dissing his favourite players. It was not an untrue statement anyway, just as it was not an untrue statement when you brought up the fact that Justine was 0-3 against Kim and Serena this year, even though this thread doesn't have much to do with Serena.

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:05 AM
It was a jab at brickhousesupporter, not at either of the Williams sisters. He thought brickhousesupporter was dissing Kim (a player he likes) by dissing this hard-fought match she won, and so he decided to get back at bhs by dissing his favourite players. It was not an untrue statement anyway, just as it was not an untrue statement when you brought up the fact that Justine was 0-3 against Kim and Serena this year, even though this thread doesn't have much to do with Serena.

No, it was a jab at the WS. I don't even think you believe the :bs: you just posted moby. I couldn't understand the point you're trying to make anyway.

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:07 AM
It wasn't fantastic. There were some great points here and there, with a ton of bad errors. But Justine was mostly impotent and it was easy for Kim to take charge. I don't think Kim played great even when she wasn't choking.

Justine was hitting the ball pretty well in the third set. She was also moving better than the first set and the first half of the second (I missed the second half). Kim was very aggressive, and I know she was getting short balls, but she was also building the points right through from the start with aggression and stretching Justine on the bh and then getting that shit fh right in the middle of the court. She was also moving superbly, and aggressively at that. There were some spectacular points with a combination of excellent hitting and movement that is very rare to see on the tour. Justine fought extremely well and stretched herself to the limit, but with that kind of game, it was always an uphill battle.

No doubt in my mind that Kim looked very impressive if you can factor out what a retarded headcase she is.

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:07 AM
No, it was a jab at the WS. I don't even think you believe the :bs: you just posted moby. I couldn't understand the point you're trying to make anyway.I'm just questioning your motivations in discussing Justine's head to head with Serena in a thread that has nothing to do with Serena. If we're talking irrelevancy, then sammy01's hardly the only one guilty of it.

My other point is that he only brought the WS up when someone said that this was a terrible match. That's the tennisforum modus operandi. You treat fanbases and players as the same entity - a convenient shorthand. It was a sort of "oh yeah, you think my favourite players play in crappy matches... well yours do too!"

Belmont Lad
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:09 AM
Oh Kim, why did you take your foot off her throat at 6-2 3-0 brk pt? Yikes! :help: But I'll take it and run! :cheer2::cheer:

G1Player2
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:10 AM
I'm just questioning your motivations in discussing Justine's head to head with Serena in a thread that has nothing to do with Serena. If we're talking irrelevancy, then sammy01's hardly the only one guilty of it.

Saying Justine is 0-3 against Kim and Serena this year was merely an observation and not a dig like Sammy01 was trying to do. I also said that Kim was 7-0 against Venus, Serena and Justine in their last 7 hardcourt meetings. Besides, I don't have a history of hating on players like Sammy01. He HAS a history of brining up the WS when they aren't part of the threads to take hjabs and frequently goes in threads involving them to disrupt them. If I had a history of that, I could see your point but I don't. Sammy01 does however. Follow?

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:13 AM
Saying Justine is 0-3 against Kim and Serena this year was merely an observation and not a dig like Sammy01 was trying to do. I also said that Kim was 7-0 against Venus, Serena and Justine in their last 7 hardcourt meetings. Besides, I don't have a history of hating on players like Sammy01. He HAS a history of brining up the WS when they aren't part of the threads to take hjabs and frequently goes in threads involving them to disrupt them. If I had a history of that, I could see your point but I don't. Sammy01 does however. Follow?OK. Does he really? I guess this is only something a fan of the player would care about or notice. I only notice when the "usual suspects (ahem)" go into a Justine thread and try to derail it/ talk sh!t about her. Let me assure you that the WS do not have the sole privilege of having haters.

Anyway, enough of this. Let's go back to laughing at the match. There's even a thread dedicated to that purpose.

DimaDinosaur
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:28 AM
Kim was the better player from the start, i don't know how justine pushed kim to 7-6 (8-6) in the third when kim lead 6-2 3-0

Sammm
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:48 AM
So Miami eludes Justine for another year...I wonder if it's a particular ambition of hers to win it?

Kim v Venus :lick:

ElusiveChanteuse
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:01 AM
:spit:
Expected outcome though.
Ju :hug:
Kim :)

fantic
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:03 AM
PD:someone change this Henis in the thread title,please:sobbing:

Heng and now THIS

:haha:

Lin Lin
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:04 AM
Kim:yeah:
Justine:hug:

fantic
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:04 AM
Kim was the better player from the start, i don't know how justine pushed kim to 7-6 (8-6) in the third when kim lead 6-2 3-0

:haha:

I always enjoy your post :worship:

tonybotz
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:17 AM
slop fest - clijsters should have won it in 2. davenport should have served robinsons ass.

tonybotz
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:18 AM
when kim dominates, she doubts herself which leads to errors. how else could she lose to davenport at Roland Garros after being up a set and 4-1.

azmad_88
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:21 AM
any youtube clip

Sander.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:24 AM
Kim shows she's better :banana:

Midnight_Robber
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:36 AM
You're just being extremely sensitive when it comes to the players you like. The Williams sisters (particularly Serena) get a lot of praise for how they play the game. It wasn't popular when they first came on tour, but I don't think they don't get the respect they deserve. Sure, there will always be haters. But there are haters for every successful player.

I don't see why you're comparing this match to a WS match in the first place. Are you unhappy that the Belgians are not drawing more flake (and they're getting plenty of it) out of some sense of "equality", that there is not enough bitching?

:rolleyes: No. My point is that unlike the Belgians the WS, for whatever reason, don't get more thoughtful, considered criticism, or much in the way of forgiveness when they play bad matches; outside of their fan-bases few posters are scrambling to find the good in those matches. Instead the level of discussion over their bad matches (and even their better ones) always descends into 'they're boring ball-bashers' or 'I always pray that they won't meet' 'oh noes - another boring all-Williams match -up/final!" or the ever-petulant: 'Waaah. I won't be watching!' I'm not asking for uncritical bashing to be extended to other players as well - :rolleyes: - instead, I'm questioning why there isn't less uncritical bashing when it comes to players who are not named "Kim and Justine". Do you follow?

Not really, let me remind you that in your initial post on this subject you mentioned that... "But the usual suspects will come along and try and pass off choking as incredibly interesting drama or will argue that it was quality match or whatever".

:haha: My God! I'd totally forgotten that I'd ever said anything like that, as is evident in my previous bout of amnesia...

I never said that a majority of posters would flood the thread to praise this match to the heavens so I don't know why you're arguing about this. :rolleyes: I said that we'd get the usual suspects trying to downplay how bad it was, and that posters wouldn't nearly so quick to harshly criticise as they would a similar display from the WS. So far, this is exactly how it's playing out.

Hmmm. That's ME trying reminding YOU of what I'd said in my initial post. So how on earth can you think you're in a position to "remind" me of something that I initially said, when I went out of my way to POINT OUT TO YOU that I'd said it in the first place? :rolleyes:

You're not happy even though the majority is deeming this match low quality? You want the "usual suspects" to do it too? There are "usual suspects" that go into Justine threads and diss her (not sure which fan base they're from, ahem) too, and "usual suspects" that praise the Williamses regardless of what they do.

Your initial argument is either a strawman, or meaningless.

And let me remind you that you were the first to directly respond to me.

:lol: :help:

*facepalm* Lord. That's... not how a strawman actually works. Look - you accused me of complaining that most posters were flocking to this thread to praise Kim and Justine or call the match "good". And since you're so fond of 'reminders':

What's this? - Proof by assertion? I don't see this magical majority calling this match good.

Guess what - neither did I and never I claimed at any point that most people would post to praise the match! So it's an irrelevant argument that you're setting up, and then oh-so-cleverly knocking down.

:rolleyes: To repeat: I said that the 'usual suspects' (i.e. a select fanatical minority) would *try* to pretend the match was great tennis, while other posters who would normally be quick to rip into the WS if they'd produced a match of this calibre, would be somehow...reluctant to totally dismiss *this* match or condemn it as bad tennis - even though a lot of the tennis actually stank.

This is very different from my claiming that 'most' posters were going to sing the praises the match, which is what YOU were irrelevantly inferring.

What are you failing to follow here?

Leaving the WS completely out of the equation if - let's say Maria, Safina, Kleybanova, Wickmayer, or any of the other so-called 'brainless ball-bashers' on tour had produced 63 UFes, 10 DFs and were acting like head-cases...hmmm, of course there'd be posters talking about the high-points, the moments of quality, mulling over the flashes of genius, asserting that the drama made it great viewing and so forth, wouldn't we? :rolleyes: Because that's how this board responds to those players when they play low quality, ugly error-strewn tennis, right? :lol: Right!

It seems that ball-bashing and ugly errors are only acceptable, depending on who is doing the bashing. Some players should get a pass, but not others.

Setsuna.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:45 AM
Congrats Kim
Great fight from Justine :)

Elwin.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:52 AM
Kim :yeah:

moby
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:15 AM
:rolleyes: No. My point is that unlike the Belgians the WS, for whatever reason, don't get more thoughtful, considered criticism, or much in the way of forgiveness when they play bad matches; outside of their fan-bases few posters are scrambling to find the good in those matches. Instead the level of discussion over their bad matches (and even their better ones) always descends into 'they're boring ball-bashers' or 'I always pray that they won't meet' 'oh noes - another boring all-Williams match -up/final!" or the ever-petulant: 'Waaah. I won't be watching!' I'm not asking for uncritical bashing to be extended to other players as well - :rolleyes: - instead, I'm questioning why there isn't less uncritical bashing when it comes to players who are not named "Kim and Justine". Do you follow?My point is that your idea of "equality" is misplaced in the first place. Kim and Justine get called out on for the bad things in their game a lot, they get praised for the things they do well, as do every other player. WS matches do get praise when they deserve it (a lot of people dislike them for the awkwardness that's inevitable when siblings play though.). Serena gets a lot of praise for how well she reads Venus's serve, for instance.

:haha: My God! I'd totally forgotten that I'd ever said anything like that, as is evident in my previous bout of amnesia...

Hmmm. That's ME trying reminding YOU of what I'd said in my initial post. So how on earth can you think you're in a position to "remind" me of something that I initially said, when I went out of my way to POINT OUT TO YOU that I'd said it in the first place? :rolleyes: No, those are different points. Surely you realise that arguing that a match is "a quality match" is different from "downplay how bad it was" and being "not nearly so quick to harshly criticise as they would a similar display from the WS." But I digress.
*facepalm* Lord. That's... not how a strawman actually works.I said: your initial argument was either a strawman, or meaningless. I didn't say it was necessarily a strawman. (I'm extending the definition of strawman a little, but it is a canonical extension.)

How it could have been a strawman: If by "usual suspects", you were referring to a fairly large group of posters, which IMO, do not exist. It is a "strawman" in that you misrepresent the numerosity of your opponents.

How it could have been meaningless: If by "usual suspects", you were referring to a small select group of fanatic haters (fanboys), in which case the statement is meaningless, because haters by definition hate and every player has haters (fanboys). This is tautological.

I approached it as a strawman (partly because of my next point), and partly because I assumed you were not into making meaningless statements.


Look - you accused me of complaining that most posters were flocking to this thread to praise Kim and Justine or call the match "good". Guess what - neither did I and never I claimed at any point that most people would post to praise the match! So it's an irrelevant argument that you're setting up, and then oh-so-cleverly knocking down.In that case, pardon me from thinking that your "Please. G1Player is right. If this had been the WS they'd be torn to shreds by commentators and this board alike." was in disagreement to my "Not too many people are calling it a good match. A lot of people are calling it a bad match.", and therefore inferring that you held the opposing view, i.e. (let me spell it out for you): A lot of people are calling it a good match. Not many people are calling it a bad match." It was an easy mistake to make - you did after all respond directly to my post.

My subsequent post about the "majority" was in response to this perceived disagreement of my original statement.

Leaving the WS completely out of the equation if - let's say Maria, Safina, Kleybanova, Wickmayer, or any of the other so-called 'brainless ball-bashers' on tour had produced 63 UFes, 10 DFs and were acting like head-cases...hmmm, of course most of us would be talking about the high-points, the moments of quality, mulling over the flashes of genius, asserting that the drama made it great viewing and so forth, wouldn't we? :rolleyes: Because that's how this board responds to those players when they play low quality, ugly error-strewn tennis, right? :lol: Right!

It seems that ball-bashing and ugly errors are only acceptable, depending on who is doing the bashing. Some players should get a pass, but not others.Most of us? A majority? Regardless of what you feel previously, surely pointing this out is not a mistake now. Where is this majority?

If you want, you may PM me, because this is starting to take the shape of a private conversation and I do not wish to bore and distract other posters from discussing the hilarity of the match in question.

KClijsters
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:24 AM
What a strange match!
At some point I really didn't thought Kim would win. But just as in Brisbane, she won! :D
It wasn't a great match, but I don't care how she won. A win is a win! Especially against Justine.

But to be honest, if she plays like this, she has no chances against Venus..
Venus is playing really well al the moment. Just hope that it will be a nice match :)

Bobisa
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:25 AM
Kim http://www.pic4ever.com/images/bliss.gif :woohoo:

olivero
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:30 AM
omg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:woohoo:
too bad I couldn't watch it but if it really was an error fest maybe it's better.

Well done Kimmy! So happy for you! :D

adner
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:36 AM
omg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:woohoo:
too bad I couldn't watch it but if it really was an error fest maybe it's better.

Well done Kimmy! So happy for you! :D
Nah, it was not an error fest. They both played quite well and an average of 1,5 UE per player per a game is not really that bad if we consider amount of great quality points they produce.

Also I think that all of these dumb hyper-devoted and blind fans of two certain players should shut up if all they have to say is some shit about this match being so bad. I guess even 100 winners from both wouldn't make you say anything else.

Kampi
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:37 AM
Great match and great match from both girls.:worship::D:worship: Sorry that there must be only one winner in the end. As a fan of Justine my preference was clear, but I also like and respect Kim a lot and so BIG CONGRATS Kim and now win it all.:)

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:16 AM
Tournament report:

n truth, the first two sets were not the highest of quality and accounted for the bulk of Clijsters’ match total of 63 unforced errors (including 10 double faults) and Henin’s 44 unforced errors (and eight double faults). But a spectacular third set more that atoned for the first two, as both players produced some of their best tennis of the year as they engaged in lengthy, powerful baseline exchanges and sharp-angle battles.
http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/News/Tennis/2010/Tournament-Week-2/Miami-Thursday-Clijsters-Wins-Belgian-Battle.aspx


Clearly, it's not only the "fanatics" and the "haters" who thought the third set was excellent quality.

Personally, I thought the intensity and the level of play in the third (despite Kim's ridiculous choking) is the stuff that can save the WTA. :P Serena/Venus/Justine/Kim should be able to finally provide us that all year long, and I'm looking forward now to the final.

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:37 AM
3rd set was still crap with ridiculous chokes from both... what else is the site going to say.

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:46 AM
3rd set was still crap with ridiculous chokes from both... what else is the site going to say.

Are they under an obligation to say it was "spectacular"? They can just avoid talking about the quality like they did with the Venus/Bartoli match.

ampers&
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:51 AM
The entire match was a horrendous chokefest. No amount of drivel from the WTA website is going to change that. :o

Apoleb
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:08 AM
The entire match was a horrendous chokefest. No amount of drivel from the WTA website is going to change that. :o

That's the actually the tournament website, which gave a fair assessment for the first two sets. Choking doesn't preclude excellent tennis anyway. People have different perspectives so it's natural we can disagree, but my point is that it's not left field to suggest that the match was high quality in the third set.

Dandy_Warhol
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:16 AM
http://i41.tinypic.com/33wsgwk.jpg

what a mess of a match :tape:
will all of their matches from now on be like this?:help:

John.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:18 AM
Didn't see the match, but YES YES YES Kim :banana::cheer:

Joe.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:19 AM
yes, shes out :inlove:

fouc
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:40 AM
WTF WAS THAT???? :tape::tape::help:
I watched it till 6-2 3-0 and went to sleep satisfied with Kim's performance, sure she's gonna win. Of course, I thought to myself - yeah, now she will choke it, but didn't believe it. I woke up, found out Kim won, and was like... ok. Then I saw the result :lol::lol: They actually managed to make the scoreline as close as it is possible :lol: I mean, 62 67 76, who plays like that?

Slutiana
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:50 AM
:haha: I just knew there would be chokes. Watching it now and it's just error-error-error. And people were sayng how much higher quality this match would be compared with Venus-Marion...

AcesHigh
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:58 AM
Are they under an obligation to say it was "spectacular"? They can just avoid talking about the quality like they did with the Venus/Bartoli match.

Look most of us watched the match and you seem to be in the EXTREME minority. It was not really of ANY quality. Of course there was the rare rally, but really it was a battle of nerves out there and it was not pretty.

SVK
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:16 AM
Their matches are the same this year...Brisbane: Kim led 6:3, *4:1...won 7-6(6) in third with a lot of chokes in last set and now she led 6:2, 3:0 and won 7-6(6) in third with a lot of chokes in last set...don´t say me, that Justine had even few matchpoints also in this match

EDIT: Also in Brisbane led Kim 6-3 in tiebreak, then squandered it but won 8-6:hysteric:

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:21 AM
Why the comparison to WS match? WS match against each other lack any kind of drama and there are hardly any rallies. Not to mention it's hard to root for either player and you can see the discomfort both players face.

Anyway, I don't think Serena or Venus played tonight so I dont see why they are being mentioned.

The new face of hypocrisy?

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:24 AM
:sobbing: 10 set points. I can't believe you brought that up.. i had erased that from my memory and now it's back :lol:

And Brisbane wasn't a choke-fest?

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:26 AM
:lol: Well, well...107 ufe's, but it has drama, huh?!

SVK
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:27 AM
107 from both? Hantuchova once hit 101 UE´s in one match and even almost beat Harkleroad from 0:5 in third

RVD
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:31 AM
OH HELLZ http://www.bittenbyacougar.com/images/smilies/gdyes.gif http://www.bittenbyacougar.com/images/smilies/go.gif
WAY TO GO KIM!!

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:39 AM
kim only chokes and theres is so much drama because both want it so badly especially over each other. i'll take that over all WS battles in which neither looks intrested let alone wanting to win and the matches that go the distance between them are still flat as pancakes.


Of course...and the Belgians aren't even sister. So what's their excuse?

hankqq
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:41 AM
:lol: happy Kim won but c'mon that was absurd she let the match almost slip away :lol: from having bp to go up 4-0 in the 2nd to needing a 3rd set tiebreaker to seal the deal? :rolls:

Yeah this match was very chaotic and messy :shrug: Most of their matches are this way, whether they finish in 2 or 3 sets. I enjoy how competitive they are, but most of the time these 2 don't play consistently well against each other :shrug: Maybe it's the pressure.

Drine
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:42 AM
Couldn't watch the match but congrats Kim :bigclap:
Now win the tournament !!! ;)

goldenlox
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:44 AM
Clijsterskim (http://twitter.com/Clijsterskim)

What a match!!! Just like Brisbane!!! Amazing

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:49 AM
Why the comparison to WS match? WS match against each other lack any kind of drama and there are hardly any rallies. Not to mention it's hard to root for either player and you can see the discomfort both players face.

Anyway, I don't think Serena or Venus played tonight so I dont see why they are being mentioned.

:lol: amd now CHOKING is called "drama", huh?

Juanes
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:51 AM
i knew that Kim will be winner of the match :)

Certinfy
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:13 AM
Good! :D

Olórin
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:38 AM
Literally only read a few pages of this thread and the usual imbeciles still manage to bring their derision of the WS into it :help:

Anyway SO happy for Kimmy. And this is the final I wanted :cheer:

VishaalMaria
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:38 AM
I don't know what to say.

The general consensus is that Kim started to choke moreso than Justine actually fighting back and that's what made the match close.

I guess even though the quality wasn't there, it was a mental battle. A bit disappointed Kim won because I wanted to see a Justine v Venus clash, but well done to Kim all the same for closing it out.

Looking forward to the final.

VishaalMaria
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:41 AM
:lol: amd now CHOKING is called "drama", huh?

Well of course, people like to clutch at straws, you know that.


And Sammy01 brought up the Williams Sisters and their match ups when there wasn't any need to do so. Talk about being insecure, criticising their match ups to make this one look better. I think over 100 errors in a three set match really tells the tale. Facts speak for themselves.

terjw
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:45 AM
Didn't see the match live but just watched the replay of the third set. And Kimmie - I'm so proud of you. 2-0 up against Justine this season. Glad I didn't see it live though.

Kim just looks so much better than Justine but in both matches this year it seems she has to play twice as well because when Kim is up and Justine makes a couple of really good winners - Kim completes Justine's work and hands her own good work back to Justine.

Love Kim's reaction at the end and her complete lack of showing any reaction to her opponent in the match when she failed to take her MPs or serve it out or let Justine back.

One area where Kim is really bad for a top player and I wish she could improve on - is the hifh number of DFs she makes.

Pasta-Na
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:05 PM
poor juju :hug: