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Julian.
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:24 AM
http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/Media/Video/2010/Sony-Ericsson-Open-Wednesday-Henin-Interview.aspx

Henin on Wozniacki: "It's only my 4th tournament back and I can play good level against the best player in the world so I'm happy about that. I was surprised with the way she played because I don't know her at all. She has been really tough"

moby
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:45 AM
http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/Media/Video/2010/Sony-Ericsson-Open-Wednesday-Henin-Interview.aspx

Henin on Wozniacki: "It's only my 4th tournament back and I can play good level against the best player in the world so I'm happy about that. I was surprised with the way she played because I don't know her at all. She has been really tough"She said "the best players". One letter, but it's going to affect how this thread turns out. :lol:

Temperenka
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:50 AM
At least someone understands that Caroline is actually a good player :shrug:

*hingis_forever*
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:52 AM
At least someone understands that Caroline is actually a good player :shrug:
Just remember though, tennis forum posters are more knowledgable on tennis than Henin. ;)

BlackPanther.
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:02 AM
Why Henin would say the opposite? :shrug:

Caralenko
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:02 AM
She said best players :lol:

AcesHigh
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:02 AM
She's a good player.. not 2nd best in the world though.
And Caro played better than I expected definitely. She went for more than I'm used to seeing from her.

Apoleb
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:03 AM
I was surprised with the way she played because I don't know her at all.

Explains the way she played. Even though I have a very hard time believing that she didn't do her homework.

I think in the AO she also mentioned that she never saw her play. :tape:

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:07 AM
Explains the way she played. Even though I have a very hard time believing that she didn't do her homework.

I think in the AO she also mentioned that she never saw her play. :tape:

I am sure her and Carlos did their homework and they will be more prepared for her next time. Caro still hit 35 UE's which is not going to cut it for her game. She's super fit but I still think she can get fitter. For a set and a half she was keeping the ball high and deep which was wearing its toll on Justine and then she started hitting more loose groundstrokes, 2nd serve went away, and Justine started attacking. But, I don't know if Caro is capable of playing consistently the same for 3 hours.

Mightymirza
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:11 AM
:lol: It wouldnt have come to that if Juju could hit a decent serve or hit few decent FHs in a row at the end of the first set :tape:

nicidle
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:14 AM
she has always been able to beat top player.. just that she thought that her career would be finished by losing to safina who played like GOAT that year.

fantic
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:24 AM
Explains the way she played. Even though I have a very hard time believing that she didn't do her homework.

I think in the AO she also mentioned that she never saw her play. :tape:

I'm a Juju fan but I think it's BS. :lol:

She must've heard fellow players complain about her moonballing :tape:

and she and Carlos must've come here and read what the experts said about her style and weaknesses. :lol:

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:49 AM
Henin played a player who just had a long tournament and was sick the match before.
I said before Miami that the 4 IW semi players would not make the Miami SF, they had to be worn out.
Caro just missed.
Caro will be a handful for any player going forward.
She forces you to hit a lot of winners, and be very fit.
Anyone who doesn't think Henin was pushed hard yesterday is an idiot. She had to empty her tank to win and she was the fresher player

Brett.
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:50 AM
Explains the way she played. Even though I have a very hard time believing that she didn't do her homework.

I think in the AO she also mentioned that she never saw her play. :tape:

Nor, she didn't watch US Open final, last year! :lol:

DimaDinosaur
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:53 AM
I wish I could play like Woz, but I rather play like Justine or Serena

Jajaloo
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:07 AM
You heard it straight from the baroness' mouth: "...best player[s] in the world"

Caro :worship:

madmax
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:16 AM
no doubt, Juju must be proud after beating second best player in the world...I mean who wouldn't?

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:41 AM
Well what the hell does anyone expect her to say? :lol:

"Caro sucks, pushes and shouldn't be out there?" :lol: That would only beg the question, "then why did you struggle against her?"

No. It's in Henin's best interest to paint Caro in the best light possible. It was a self-serving, politically correct statement. Nothing more.

So, actually, the OP is wrong. It wasn't "Henin on Woz." In reality, it was Henin on Henin.

Elwin.
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:43 AM
Woz's game is very effective against other players.
Well done to her :yeah:

TennisFan66
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:58 AM
:lol: It wouldnt have come to that if Juju could hit a decent serve or hit few decent FHs in a row at the end of the first set :tape:

I agree. If Henin could just serve 150mph 1st serves and never make a DF. If Henin could just hit the FH and BH with the strength of a 1,000 superweight boxers, it wouldn't come to a 3rd set. Oh I forgot, if Henin can just hit ALL balls INSIDE the line at any given point, it wouldn't come to that.

saki
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:02 AM
She did do her homework. From another bit of the interview:

Q. Were you surprised how she kept points alive for so long when they seemed won by and you they were still going?
JUSTINE HENIN: Yeah, it was incredible. She has such a good defense. First time I played against her. I watched some videos and everything, but a lot balls were coming back into the court.

Apoleb
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:08 AM
Well what the hell does anyone expect her to say? :lol:

"Caro sucks, pushes and shouldn't be out there?" :lol: That would only beg the question, "then why did you struggle against her?"

No. It's in Henin's best interest to paint Caro in the best light possible. It was a self-serving, politically correct statement. Nothing more.

So, actually, the OP is wrong. It wasn't "Henin on Woz." In reality, it was Henin on Henin.

Right, because she couldn't say that she played only 2.08% of her ability. :tape:

Btw, I love Justine's lingo in that interview:

"because she pushed me to play and work a lot on the court" "She didn't do a lot mistakes and pushed me to, you know, do everything at some point. "

Squiddie
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:10 AM
Henin played a player who just had a long tournament and was sick the match before.
I said before Miami that the 4 IW semi players would not make the Miami SF, they had to be worn out.
Caro just missed.
Caro will be a handful for any player going forward.
She forces you to hit a lot of winners, and be very fit.
Anyone who doesn't think Henin was pushed hard yesterday is an idiot. She had to empty her tank to win and she was the fresher player

Henin wasn't pushed hard. She played like crap in the first set and almost lost herself the match.

Against a half-decent top player she would have been toast. Luckily for her she was playing Caroline Wozniacki, one of the worst top 5 players in the history of tennis.

PMBH
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:21 AM
Squiddie, that's one of the top-5 dumbest comments in the history of tennis...

Squiddie
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:24 AM
Squiddie, that's one of the top-5 dumbest comments in the history of tennis...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/kingaminger/Cough.gif?t=1268852857

donniedarkofan
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:06 AM
She's a good player.. not 2nd best in the world though.
And Caro played better than I expected definitely. She went for more than I'm used to seeing from her.


Actually she's the second best player in the world at the momment. Get over it.

Slutiana
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:07 AM
Why Henin would say the opposite? :shrug:
Zackly. She's not going to say "She was nothing, I just played crap." Useless thread.
Henin wasn't pushed hard. She played like crap in the first set and almost lost herself the match.

Against a half-decent top player she would have been toast. Luckily for her she was playing Caroline Wozniacki, one of the worst top 5 players in the history of tennis.
Welcome! :hearts:

Slutiana
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:11 AM
Actually she's the second best player in the world at the momment. Get over it.
The race doesn't lie.

StephenUK
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:43 AM
Some mean-spirited comments against both players. :(

This was a big match for Justine as she had never played Caroline before; Caroline represents the new breed of players to emerge since Justine's retirement and a new challenge for her. Also Caroline is world no 2 and the highest ranked player Justine has beaten in her comeback so far. So it's an important scalp.

Caroline may be world no 2 by default but it isn't her fault, until Justine and Kim can play a full year, Maria can recover from injury and Venus can win more events over 12 months (she is moving up though), players like Caroline will continue to hold that ranking and deservedly so. Caroline is still young and may keep improving - no-one else is currently as well placed to take over at the top of the game when the Williams and the Belgians bow out over the next five years.

PLP
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:45 AM
She did do her homework. From another bit of the interview:

Q. Were you surprised how she kept points alive for so long when they seemed won by and you they were still going?
JUSTINE HENIN: Yeah, it was incredible. She has such a good defense. First time I played against her. I watched some videos and everything, but a lot balls were coming back into the court.

Great and sincere words by JuJu. Anyone who doesn't see this has a very myopic way of looking at the game...though unfortunately that seems to be the majority of the board at the moment.
:tape:

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:53 AM
Most of the people posting here aren't tennis fans.

Squiddie
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:54 AM
Actually she's the second best player in the world at the momment. Get over it.

These April fools posts are getting old already.

Ferg
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:57 AM
I thought this was an April Fools thread too.

LCS
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:15 PM
I was also surprised of how dumb Henin was playing throughout most of the match :worship:

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:29 PM
Right, because she couldn't say that she played only 2.08% of her ability. :tape:

Btw, I love Justine's lingo in that interview:

"because she pushed me to play and work a lot on the court" "She didn't do a lot mistakes and pushed me to, you know, do everything at some point. "
She could have if it was true. It wouldn't bother me a bit..., if it was true. But we all know she's a bit "truth challenged", so... :shrug:

Lord Choc Ice
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:34 PM
Most of the people posting here aren't tennis fans.
No, people just have different taste in players. :shrug:

Kworb
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah Woz has exceptional anticipation and can put any ball back deep as long as she gets her racket on it. Of course she is very skilled. It's just extremely boring to watch.

Just Do It
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:56 PM
Caroline surprised me as well in that match. She was somehow ... aggressive :unsure:

Squiddie
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:57 PM
Most of the people posting here aren't tennis fans.

You're living proof of that.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:01 PM
In reality, it was Henin on Henin.


I'm so glad that my reality is different from yours...

Donny
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:03 PM
Yeah Woz has exceptional anticipation and can put any ball back deep as long as she gets her racket on it. Of course she is very skilled. It's just extremely boring to watch.

Exactly. Having skill doesn't make something exciting to watch. Otherwise everyone here would enjoy watching every professional sport.

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:05 PM
It is a matter of taste then. I would rather watch a player who understands what she needs to do to win. Rather than a player who is capable of winning but cant figure out how to do it.
I also like watching a player who is clearly improving.
Caro played an ITF event in Nov 2008. She is markedly better than she was 2 years ago, 1 year ago.

Julian.
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:12 PM
Caroline surprised me as well in that match. She was somehow ... aggressive :unsure:

I saw that as well :lol:

King Halep
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:13 PM
I was also surprised of how dumb Henin was playing throughout most of the match :worship:

she wasnt playing dumb, it took her one and half set to find her range, then it was match over

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:14 PM
Two things I thought about the match yesterday:

1. Wozniacki does have the capacity to improve her game.

No she doesn't. Her play on SPs in set 1 and in the last three games of set 2 proved it once again.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:23 PM
I was also surprised of how dumb Henin was playing throughout most of the match :worship:


She wasn't playing dumb. You have to outhit Wozniacki and not rally with her for long since Woz doesn't make many errors from the baseline.

nicidle
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:29 PM
if someone can rescue her forehand.

thrust
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:27 PM
At least someone understands that Caroline is actually a good player :shrug:

Unlike the, know it all haters here, Justine has now played Caro and knows how good she really is. She probably was referring to Serena when she used the word top player, who she did take to three sets while losing.

thrust
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:33 PM
Two things I thought about the match yesterday:

1. Wozniacki does have the capacity to improve her game.

2. Justine is not mentally the player she was. It may be a lack of match play though so perhaps she'll get it together.

Also, I think she is still experimenting with her game. Against a Kim, Serena, or Venus, she knows what she can or can't get away with. Therefore, I think she will be a bit more cautious against Kim tonight.

Kipling
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:34 PM
Henin played a player who just had a long tournament and was sick the match before.
I said before Miami that the 4 IW semi players would not make the Miami SF, they had to be worn out.
Caro just missed.
Caro will be a handful for any player going forward.
She forces you to hit a lot of winners, and be very fit.
Anyone who doesn't think Henin was pushed hard yesterday is an idiot. She had to empty her tank to win and she was the fresher player

:yeah:

thrust
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:37 PM
Squiddie, that's one of the top-5 dumbest comments in the history of tennis...

SO TRUE- LOL!!

Vlover
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:45 PM
She's not going to hit anyone off the court but there is something to be said for consistent returning with reasonable power. It frustrated Justine yesterday for a time and it would certainly frustrate other players enough for her to take them out on occasion
That is essentially the strategy and "weapon" of great retrievers like Caroline, Jelena and Kim. Their matches against the top players are not in their hands to win but if their opponent falters they are consistent enough to get the win. That is why they don't consistently win "BIG" titles because when they get to 1/4's, 1/2's and occasional finals they don't have enough to take out consecutively better players.

While their style is not my preference, they are maximizing the style of play that is more comfortable to them and I don't understand this "disdain" for any one style of playing over the other. The "smart" thing to do for any player is to maximize your strengths and minimize your weaknesses and the person who does that on any given day wins.

I say good on Caroline for showing the armchair "experts" that thought Justine was going to cream her that she is not a pushover by any means and should get more respect.

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:50 PM
Two things I thought about the match yesterday:

1. Wozniacki does have the capacity to improve her game.

2. Justine is not mentally the player she was. It may be a lack of match play though so perhaps she'll get it together.

I think that adjusting and not losing serve in the last two sets showed incredibly mental acuity. The player she was also struggled against players she's never faced before. I'm not really shocked it took her a set to get her game in order against a player whose style is so markedly different from the rest of the tour.

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:56 PM
This is a good era. Serena, Justine and Venus have, from Wimbly 2000 to AO 2010
they won 25 of those majors. Out of around 40
When Caro is 24 in 2015, there might not be players like those 3.

Nicolás89
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:57 PM
Caro being a tough match for Henin must be so confusing for the haters to understand. :lol:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:57 PM
I don´t think Henin is honest here

We all know that Wozniacki is not that good :shrug:

kman
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:08 PM
Caro being a tough match for Henin must be so confusing for the haters to understand. :lol:

They're still in meltdown mode.

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:08 PM
I disagree. I won't dispute there isn't a huge capacity for change but she could tighten up on a few things (like her serve.)

I expected Justine to steam roll over her but she couldn't.

It's a matter of your unrealistic expectations then. Henin was never going to "steamroll" over Wozniacki as the Dane's game style and loopy but, on most part, deep strokes seem to be designed to push Justine out of her comfort zone.

Kworb
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:21 PM
That is essentially the strategy and "weapon" of great retrievers like Caroline, Jelena and Kim. Their matches against the top players are not in their hands to win but if their opponent falters they are consistent enough to get the win. That is why they don't consistently win "BIG" titles because when they get to 1/4's, 1/2's and occasional finals they don't have enough to take out consecutively better players.

:weirdo: Kim is not a pusher, wtf. She can hit winners from anywhere, and does so all the time.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:01 PM
I don´t think Henin is honest here

We all know that Wozniacki is not that good :shrug:


Speak for yourself, honey.

treufreund
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:19 PM
Speak for yourself, honey.

This. :)

Larrybidd
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:28 PM
No, people just have different taste in players. :shrug:

No, its one thing to have different tastes. I tend to be excited more by the big hitters myself. But if you love the sport, you can respect that fact that more than one style of play is effective and valid. The disrespect of Woz is both unwarranted and ignorant.

¤CharlDa¤
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:09 PM
75% of the posts here are rational, smart and logical. Obviously, from knowledgeable people who care for the game as well as its players and who understand the intricacy of tennis.

The rest is just plain typical Caro-bashing, but obviously, it gets all the attention. Are you guys even tennis fans, or just 12 years old?

TennisFan66
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:23 PM
75% of the posts here are rational, smart and logical. Obviously, from knowledgeable people who care for the game as well as its players and who understand the intricacy of tennis.

The rest is just plain typical Caro-bashing, but obviously, it gets all the attention. Are you guys even tennis fans, or just 12 years old?

IMHO these Caro haterz (and from what I can see, there's really only about a dozen or so of them) are in many ways ruining TF for the rest of us.

Its impossible to have a thread, which isn't invaded by these individuals (and I use the word individuals loosely) and quickly turned into the usual Caro haterz one sentence/word drive-by WUM msg.

Needless to say, these haterz also opens new thread; one after the other trying to make up new ways to write something insulting against Caro.

I am rather new to TF, but certainly glad to see you are aware of the problem.

¤CharlDa¤
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:05 PM
I totally agree with you, and to be honest, I wasn't much of General Messages guy for that reason. People here tend to forget they are talking about actual living individuals and not robotic comic book characters.

Now that I am a moderator here, I've had to read through more threads in this section, and it is really giving me a weird feeling towards a part of the tennis fan community. What pisses me off the most isn't their mere existence, which in a sense can also be quite entertaining, but the fact they have such a great influence on the overall feel of this board. We have a lot of great, knowledgeable posters here who would deserve 100 times the attention those kids get...but everytime something interesting is debated, they ruin the thread by posting random one line comments on moonballing, cake, Tatiana Golovin or Jelena Jankovic looking like a shemale.

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:27 PM
IMHO these Caro haterz (and from what I can see, there's really only about a dozen or so of them) are in many ways ruining TF for the rest of us.

Its impossible to have a thread, which isn't invaded by these individuals (and I use the word individuals loosely) and quickly turned into the usual Caro haterz one sentence/word drive-by WUM msg.

Needless to say, these haterz also opens new thread; one after the other trying to make up new ways to write something insulting against Caro.

I am rather new to TF, but certainly glad to see you are aware of the problem.



Every single player has haters, the williams have the most, ignore is an easy function to use. If you don't want to see the posts then use ignore

treufreund
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:28 PM
They most hate Caro because she is happy and pretty and wins a lot of matches too.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:29 PM
Every single player has haters, the williams have the most, ignore is an easy function to use. If you don't want to see the posts then use ignore


The ignore-function is not the solution for everything.

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:31 PM
The ignore-function is not the solution for everything.



Yes it is, if you don't see the posts you can't argue, not too mention haters should make no difference towards the feelings you have for your favorite, why would someone's bad words change how good a player plays, the person they beat, or some feat they reach? Seriously, if you get offended by somebody on here, there's something wrong.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:37 PM
Yes it is, if you don't see the posts you can't argue, not too mention haters should make no difference towards the feelings you have for your favorite, why would someone's bad words change how good a player plays, the person they beat, or some feat they reach? Seriously, if you get offended by somebody on here, there's something wrong.


No and no. There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling out a certain behaviour or development on this board. When there is a tendency that every 2nd or 3rd thread in GM gets infiltrated by Caro haters who calling her a pusher or worse then it is good when that is discussed so that measures aginst the bashing/hating can be done. Putting all the posters (and there are quite a lot of them here lately) who are bashing or insulting Caro on the ignore list would not make much sense.

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:39 PM
You're in every Williams thread hating them, and it's quite easy to stay out of a thread when you know there is going to be hate, if you don't want to put them on ignore then don't go in thread crying like a baby about haters, it's completely simple.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:40 PM
I find all this righteous indignation about Caro getting criticized laughable. Caro is getting criticized by people who don't like her STYLE. It doesn't de-legitimize the style or the skill required to employ it at all. Many people simply don't like it and feel it's boring. This begs a very fair question of whether that style - if wide-spread - would be good for the tour. Those asking that question are no less tennis fans that the vast majority of posters here.

What's more is, where was all this indignation when the latest WTAworld trend was to criticize the, so called, "brainless ball-bashers?"

The fact is, it is as a poster earlier said, it's just different tastes. In fact, it could be argued that the posters who are offering these passionate, anti-Caro/style posts are tennis fans in the EXTREME, given how strongly they feel about the subject.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:42 PM
You're in every Williams thread hating them, and it's quite easy to stay out of a thread when you know there is going to be hate, if you don't want to put them on ignore then don't go in thread crying like a baby about haters, it's completely simple.
:yeah:

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:48 PM
You're in every Williams thread hating them, and it's quite easy to stay out of a thread when you know there is going to be hate, if you don't want to put them on ignore then don't go in thread crying like a baby about haters, it's completely simple.


You're wrong.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:51 PM
You're in every Williams thread hating them, and it's quite easy to stay out of a thread when you know there is going to be hate, if you don't want to put them on ignore then don't go in thread crying like a baby about haters, it's completely simple.

:lol: I love when the non WS fans call out their haters. Thanks. :yeah: Sammy01 and AcesHigh and dsanders06 need to hear this as well!

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:52 PM
You're wrong.

This is the 2nd time a non WS fan called you out on your hating. That poster Corswandt said it as well. It's not just us who see it, but others who aren't even fans. Get a life Matthew!

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:52 PM
No i'm not, it's completely simple and i'm done discussing this with you.

options

1. ignore
2. stay out of the thread
3. keep going into them, in which case responding to the haters just makes it worse and you get yourself into arguments, which proves that they affect you

simpleeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:57 PM
This is the 2nd time a non WS fan called you out on your hating. That poster Corswandt said it as well. It's not just us who see it, but others who aren't even fans. Get a life Matthew!


This thread is not about the WS and I didn't say anything about them in this thread. My name it not Matthew. I already have a life.

Bye.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:02 PM
This thread is not about the WS and I didn't say anything about them in this thread. My name it not Matthew. I already have a life.

Bye.

It's not about the WS but I was just agreeing with Yorker about your annoying habits of constantly trying to rile up WS fans by going into threads and trolling it up. You know you do it so don't play dumb.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:04 PM
It's not about the WS but I was just agreeing with Yorker about your annoying habits of constantly trying to rile up WS fans by going into threads and trolling it up. You know you do it so don't play dumb.


And what exactly does this have to do with this thread? :rolleyes:

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:05 PM
And what exactly does this have to do with this thread? :rolleyes:



Your double standard of crying about caro haters yet you do it yourself.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:07 PM
Your double standard of crying about caro haters yet you do it yourself.


I'm not going around bashing and insulting the WS so you're wrong again.

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:09 PM
You are deluding yourself.

Slutiana
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:10 PM
I'm not going around bashing and insulting the WS so you're wrong again.
You are. :hug: