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hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:26 AM
She didn't say anything, but Fed Cup is no longer on her schedule on her website :eek:
She said "I will play even if I am on the bench, as long as we won" or something like that, but I bet her dad forced her to skip :rolleyes:

He has a point though. Kim and Justine probably won't play when the tie is outside of Belgium :shrug:. And it's only Estonia. I don't see why Applemans can't do this:
Day 1:
Ani-Wickmayer
Kanepi-Clijsters/Henin
Day 2:
Kanepi-Clijsters/Henin (whoever doesn't play on day 1)
Ani-Clijsters/Henin (whoever plays on day 1)
Estonia doubles-Wickmayer/Flipkens

:shrug:

I really don't see Yanina losing to Ani in Fed Cup in Belgium, and if she does then I'm sure that Kim and Justine will win anyways :shrug:

vejh
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:30 AM
Oh dear....lol.

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:37 AM
Sabine hasn't announced anything yet right? As far as who's playing what. So I can't imagine why Yanina's already made the decision to skip Fed Cup. Are they playing on clay? If so, there's really no way she should be playing singles over both Kim and Justine.

LeonHart
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:41 AM
She won't be needed anyhow. So who cares :angel:

youizahoe
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:42 AM
Sabine hasn't announced anything yet right? As far as who's playing what. So I can't imagine why Yanina's already made the decision to skip Fed Cup. Are they playing on clay? If so, there's really no way she should be playing singles over both Kim and Justine.

We already know kim and justine were going to play :)

iPatty
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:52 AM
Why does it matter? They are in no danger of losing and Wickmayer already played Fed Cup this year. Give someone else a chance, especially in a match where there is no chance of failure.

hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:53 AM
Sabine will probably withdraw since she's injured and entered in PVB, Charleston, and Stuttgart so far and is defending a lot of points :shrug:
But she always plays well in Fed Cup...

hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:55 AM
Why does it matter? They are in no danger of losing and Wickmayer already played Fed Cup this year. Give someone else a chance, especially in a match where there is no chance of failure.

Because Yanina might not play Fed Cup again. Marc Wickmayer said that she will not keep playing on this team if she is just going to be used as a spare. She has played foe Belgium for the last 7 ties I think and she (and Kirsten) have kept Belgium in the World Group II and I think she deserves to play too. If it was Russia or even a country like France, Slovakia, Australia, ... then I think it would be different, but this is Estonia :rolleyes:

iPatty
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:04 AM
Because Yanina might not play Fed Cup again. Marc Wickmayer said that she will not keep playing on this team if she is just going to be used as a spare. She has played foe Belgium for the last 7 ties I think and she (and Kirsten) have kept Belgium in the World Group II and I think she deserves to play too. If it was Russia or even a country like France, Slovakia, Australia, ... then I think it would be different, but this is Estonia :rolleyes:

Well, let's be logical here. Henin and Clijsters are both substantially better than Wickmayer. Thus, if they are available to play, then the captain is obviously going to pick them. Just as Oudin would have been sidelined if the Williams sisters showed up to play in Italy last year.

Henin and Clijsters will sell more tickets than Wickmayer and I'm sure the Belgian public would rather watch their two greats. It's all a business. Wickmayer should realize that she is a substitute if Clijsters and Henin are healthy and choosing to play. Her father is delusional if he thinks otherwise.

hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:17 AM
I agree with you. I think that Marc is overreacting, but I also think that he has a point. Obviously Kim and Justine are more talented, but Yanina is very reliable in Fed Cup and I think Applemans would be stupid to not let her play singles in this tie, because then she probably won't play in the away ties. I think the European mentality is different than the American one. Greeks usually would say "If you don't want me now, don't ask for me later" so I don't know if it's just a Greek thing or a European thing, but I think Yanina is offended because it's only Estonia :shrug:

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:17 AM
Well, let's be logical here. Henin and Clijsters are both substantially better than Wickmayer. Thus, if they are available to play, then the captain is obviously going to pick them. Just as Oudin would have been sidelined if the Williams sisters showed up to play in Italy last year.

Henin and Clijsters will sell more tickets than Wickmayer and I'm sure the Belgian public would rather watch their two greats. It's all a business. Wickmayer should realize that she is a substitute if Clijsters and Henin are healthy and choosing to play. Her father is delusional if he thinks otherwise.

This is the harsh reality of the situation. It's not entirely fair, but people have to do what they've got to do. And honestly, both Kim and Justine, in their entire careers, have done a lot for Belgian tennis already. If they get preferential treatment, it's probably because they are preferred, and it sucks, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. There are hurt feelings, but now that there's a third Belgian who's doing well for herself, someone will need to be the back-up. And Yanina's entourage feel the need to scoff at the opportunity to play doubles for her country?

And really I feel like Justine especially get the shitty of the end of the stick when it comes to Fed Cup. Justine basically had to carry the entire Belgian team against Italy a few years ago and when she was forced to retire in the final tie everyone got on her case. In 2006, she was the only one winning her singles matches every time she played Fed Cup, and still it wasn't enough.

Lenny_DH
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:18 AM
Fed Cup is still listed in her schedule on the Dutch version of her site. I assume that's the most reliable one.

But I think they should let her play one match. They (Wickmayer, Clijsters and Henin) can all play one match, so that way they all attributed to the win over Estonia.

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:19 AM
I agree with you. I think that Marc is overreacting, but I also think that he has a point. Obviously Kim and Justine are more talented, but Yanina is very reliable in Fed Cup and I think Applemans would be stupid to not let her play singles in this tie, because then she probably won't play in the away ties. I think the European mentality is different than the American one. Greeks usually would say "If you don't want me now, don't ask for me later" so I don't know if it's just a Greek thing or a European thing, but I think Yanina is offended because it's only Estonia :shrug:

Right. It's only Estonia so why should the top ranked Belgian need to play?

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:21 AM
We already know kim and justine were going to play :)


I don't think either Justine or Kim will be insulted if they each only had to play once instead of playing both singles ties. If the Wickmayer team is that gung ho about playing singles, let her play both ties and Justine and Kim can take one a piece and play doubles together. That would probably be most entertaining for the crowd anyway -- to see them work together win or lose.

Lenny_DH
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:23 AM
Right. It's only Estonia so why should the top ranked Belgian need to play?

I agree. Clijsters and Henin aren't really needed to beat Estonia, because they haven't got any great players. It would be pretty insulting to Wickmayer to not let her play when she's also able to beat the players from Estonia (especially because she almost single-handedly beat Poland in the previous tie).

hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:29 AM
I think one singles for the big three would be good also :shrug:
I mean, Kim and Justine probably won't be disappointed since they always brag about Yanina and how she's the next great Belgian in their interviews :shrug:

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:29 AM
I agree. Clijsters and Henin aren't really needed to beat Estonia, because they haven't got any great players. It would be pretty insulting to Wickmayer to not let her play when she's also able to beat the players from Estonia (especially because she almost single-handedly beat Poland in the previous tie).

Yanina is currently the top ranked Belgian, no?
Probably not after this week (I think Kim will take that spot), but still...

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:30 AM
I think one singles for the big three would be good also :shrug:
I mean, Kim and Justine probably won't be disappointed since they always brag about Yanina and how she's the next great Belgian in their interviews :shrug:

I feel like if singles spots are given up for Yanina "because it's only Estonia" someone will come along to yell foul. People are never happy.

Lenny_DH
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:36 AM
Yanina is currently the top ranked Belgian, no?
Probably not after this week (I think Kim will take that spot), but still...

Yeah, Kim will be ranked before Yanina next week.

I thought you meant that Belgium doesn't need its top players (Clijsters and Henin) to beat Estonia. I only agreed with this ;)

Serenita
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:42 AM
Who needs them anyway's! i mean isnt this the same tennis federation who wanted her to get banned for 2 years, for alledge drug use. Fuck em.

Tully
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:02 AM
He has a point though. Kim and Justine probably won't play when the tie is outside of Belgium :shrug:. And it's only Estonia. I don't see why Applemans can't do this:
Day 1:
Ani-Wickmayer
Kanepi-Clijsters/Henin
Day 2:
Kanepi-Clijsters/Henin (whoever doesn't play on day 1)
Ani-Clijsters/Henin (whoever plays on day 1)
Estonia doubles-Wickmayer/Flipkens


I don't think Marc Wickmayer has a point at all. It is not his place to interfere with the team. It is up to the captain.

Who is to say Appelmans wouldn't have done that if she had the opportunity?

WhoAmI?
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:29 AM
I guess Kim and Justine want to play in front of their home crowd.. the matches would be like half-decent 30 minute practices for them. They should give both Yanina and Flipkens one singles too and then maybe have Kim-Justine play for doubles.. this way the crowd would see all the Belgian players:) It's sort of like an exhibition anyways.

Betten
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:49 AM
Sabine will probably withdraw since she's injured and entered in PVB, Charleston, and Stuttgart so far and is defending a lot of points :shrug:
But she always plays well in Fed Cup...

I think s/he was talking about Sabine Appelmans (the Belgian FC captain), not Sabine Lisicki.

madlove
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:05 PM
tennis parents should just shut up.

adner
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:55 PM
I think one singles for the big three would be good also :shrug:
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:lol:

Good joke!

LoLex
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:35 PM
Appelmans is a b*tch. They will be in the World Group only because of Yanina's great play against Poland, not Henin or Clijsters.

youizahoe
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:53 PM
For yall. Sabine Appelmans DID NOT decide yet. The KTB decided that Kim and Justine should play for a bigger attendance record. Which is absurd, because our FedCup ties have always been sold out in Belgium anyway, regardless of who played...

LoLex
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:57 PM
I will laugh my ass off when Henin or Clijsters withdraw just before the event and they will ask Wickmayer to play.

Monzanator
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:59 PM
Appelmans is a b*tch. They will be in the World Group only because of Yanina's great play against Poland, not Henin or Clijsters.

There are masters & servants you know :lol: Wickmayer did the heavy lifting vs the minnows to allow proven champions to compete vs the big ones. What else is new? She may be the highest ranked Belgian (Clijsters looming though) but you can't seriously compare her to C&H since they are two of the five most successful players of the last decade. Wickmayer is on an upswing but that hasn't even lasted a year tbh...

But back to basics, it's Estonia not USA or Russia, so they should have let Wickmayer play methinks...

ce
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:59 PM
She won't be needed anyhow. So who cares :angel:

yea maybe for this tie, but as soon as they play outside Belgium kim and justine wont play
yanina shoud not play Fed Cup

youizahoe
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:00 PM
I will laugh my ass off when Henin or Clijsters withdraw just before the event and they will ask Wickmayer to play.

Since Justine has a hip injury, it's likely she will pull out :happy:

LoLex
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:18 PM
There are masters & servants you know :lol: Wickmayer did the heavy lifting vs the minnows to allow proven champions to compete vs the big ones. What else is new? She may be the highest ranked Belgian (Clijsters looming though) but you can't seriously compare her to C&H since they are two of the five most successful players of the last decade. Wickmayer is on an upswing but that hasn't even lasted a year tbh...

There is no need to compare their individual achievements. Fed Cup is a completely different story. You are not playing for the money. The other things should be considered in the players selection.

to allow proven champions to compete vs the big ones

They will play against Estonia.

Monzanator
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:26 PM
But if Wickmayer feels she's been pushed around why bring up the fact she's not gonna play in first place? Fact is, with Henin and Clijsters coming back, chances for Wickmayer to remain as the top Belgian player are next to none. If Clijsters passes her after Miami, then even the rankings won't be in her favour anymore...

Poland was more difficult opponent then Estonia is now and certainly not end of the road sign, so I wonder why there's so much buzz about not letting her play. OK, I don't like her, but is it really down to the fact they're playing at home and therefore C&H will always get the call? Is tennis really that popular in Belgium or they want to fill the stadium which would be difficult with Wickmayer?

hellas719
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:01 AM
I think s/he was talking about Sabine Appelmans (the Belgian FC captain), not Sabine Lisicki.

Oops :lol:
:lol:

Good joke!

:rolleyes:
Why do so many Poles hate Yanina? I know that the Radwanska's (and Schiavone) kept bitching about how Yanina shouldn't be allowed to play in 2010, ...
But you don't see a lot of Italian s hating her :shrug:

adner
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:32 AM
Why do so many Poles hate Yanina? I know that the Radwanska's (and Schiavone) kept bitching about how Yanina shouldn't be allowed to play in 2010, ...
But you don't see a lot of Italian s hating her :shrug:

I just have a strange feeling that she's definitely not worthy comparing with Kim and Justine and calling them a "big three". It's "big two" and "a worm" if we would use a relative name.

I don't hate Wickmayer anymore - I have actually started to like her since her Fed Cup appareance versus Agnieszka as she has shown more mental toughness than half of WTA shows during whole year.

explorer
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:13 AM
There is no offical announcement from Belgian Fed Cup team. If Wickmayer indeed pulled out, in my view, the one to blame is her father. Fed Cup is a team sport, the captain will pick best players available to play. Plus, her father openingly threaten the Captain, if they pick Wickmayer, it will clearly show to all the world that her father's threating works. If I were the captain, I wouldn't pick her neither. Even if I would do it if her father hasn't talked to all the media that her daughter will buycott Fed Cup if she's not pick for play single, and not a dead rubber. Plus, she's nobody comparing to Kim and Justine.

JohnBoy
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:22 AM
Yanina and her dad should just shut the fuck up - she is lucky she is still playing with all the anti doping stuff still to be resolved..

Tennis Ball
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:32 AM
I don't think either Justine or Kim will be insulted if they each only had to play once instead of playing both singles ties. If the Wickmayer team is that gung ho about playing singles, let her play both ties and Justine and Kim can take one a piece and play doubles together. That would probably be most entertaining for the crowd anyway -- to see them work together win or lose.

good idea, would be very nice to watch Kim & Justine in doubles indeed!

Adrian.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 09:33 AM
who cares:shrug:

Dorien.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:59 PM
So much sensation for nothing :o it was just a little fault on her website... It's changed now anyway...

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:13 PM
this whole situation is stupid, you pick the best players to play and if that is henin and clijsters, then wickmayer needs to accept it.

Monzanator
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:17 PM
I don't hate Wickmayer anymore - I have actually started to like her since her Fed Cup appareance versus Agnieszka as she has shown more mental toughness than half of WTA shows during whole year.

:o :help:

Jorn
Apr 2nd, 2010, 04:32 PM
There are no tournaments but Fed Cup in her Calendar (http://www.yaninawickmayer.com/kalender.php)

hellas719
Apr 2nd, 2010, 06:13 PM
Sorry guys, my fault for making this thread ;)
Her website has the correct information again so it was just a technical error :p

Slutiana
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:47 PM
Well, let's be logical here. Henin and Clijsters are both substantially better than Wickmayer. Thus, if they are available to play, then the captain is obviously going to pick them. Just as Oudin would have been sidelined if the Williams sisters showed up to play in Italy last year.

Henin and Clijsters will sell more tickets than Wickmayer and I'm sure the Belgian public would rather watch their two greats. It's all a business. Wickmayer should realize that she is a substitute if Clijsters and Henin are healthy and choosing to play. Her father is delusional if he thinks otherwise.
Troof.

Slutiana
Apr 2nd, 2010, 07:49 PM
this whole situation is stupid, you pick the best players to play and if that is henin and clijsters, then wickmayer needs to accept it.
Exactly.

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:03 PM
So much overreacting. Yanina, calm down. You KNOW that Kim and Justine are legends...if they wanna play, the play. Nothing to do with you. U r a nice up and coming player, but you ain't no Kim/ Juju yet. Relax..

treufreund
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:05 PM
Yanina's grunt is annoying and her game is not as good as Kim or Justine. Both Kim and Justine beat her in their last matches and she just lost to Bartoli in straight sets.. .Get over yourself.

terjw
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:29 PM
So much overreacting. Yanina, calm down. You KNOW that Kim and Justine are legends...if they wanna play, the play. Nothing to do with you. U r a nice up and coming player, but you ain't no Kim/ Juju yet. Relax..

Calm down from what exactly. You are the one overreacting. Can't you read before writing such crap. Fed Cup is on her schedule on her website. So WTF are you on about? http://www.yaninawickmayer.com/kalender.php

Mightymirza
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:34 PM
Are Kim/Justine playing in the first place?

bandabou
Apr 6th, 2010, 06:04 AM
Calm down from what exactly. You are the one overreacting. Can't you read before writing such crap. Fed Cup is on her schedule on her website. So WTF are you on about? http://www.yaninawickmayer.com/kalender.php

everybody talked..and you single me out? :lol:

jamatthews
Apr 12th, 2010, 04:11 PM
Belgium has named a 'dream team' for its tie against Estonia... Kim Clijsters, Justine Henin, Yanina Wickmayer and Kirsten Flipkens!

Monzanator
Apr 12th, 2010, 04:23 PM
Estonia should give a wo here. Wasting money on travel just to get 0-5 score at the end of the day :o

hellas719
Apr 14th, 2010, 02:19 AM
^Stranger things have happened...
And I'm sure the Estonian players are just honored to have made it this far in the competition :shrug:
But they should give someone else a chance to play instead of the usual Kanepi/Ani combination since they'll probably lose anyways :shrug:

claypova
Apr 14th, 2010, 08:27 AM
henin and clijsters are good enough for them to win. wicky isn't needed

DimaDinosaur
Apr 14th, 2010, 08:34 AM
thank gawqd

Sharapowerr
Apr 14th, 2010, 10:39 AM
If there is one player i can't stand it's Wickmayer, she looks like a horse, to muscular and her game is average, she won't be missed ,Belgium doesn't need her to win ,They certainley can count on Kim and JuJu

denny5576
Apr 14th, 2010, 10:53 AM
It is official - she is in the team:
http://www.fedcup.com/ties/tie.asp?tie=100014754

Wojtek
Apr 14th, 2010, 11:04 AM
Thank you, that's good news.