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barboza
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:22 AM
with her floaters, kickers, overhits, unforced errors and the inability to execute at important points. She blew a lead in the second set after leading 5-4... She needs to pound the ball and be more aggressive if she wants to beat players like Clijsters and Henin.

RenaSlam.
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:22 AM
Yeah, she has no brain.

domagoj
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:23 AM
dont be mean. this was one of the best woman matches i have ever seen. clijsters has been error less.

Ferg
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:24 AM
She makes some reeealy mind boggling decisions sometimes. Like at 40-30 on Kims serve, she hit a weak drive volley straight to Kim when she culd have hit it anywhere else, or hit an overhead.

MBM
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:25 AM
then i wouldnt recommend you watch sveta either... and she's a 2 time slam champ

EDIT: although she can pound the ball from time to time as well... and when she does, she usually wins

jujufreak
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:26 AM
dont be mean. this was one of the best woman matches i have ever seen. clijsters has been error less.

I hope you were being sarcastic :lol:

Noctis
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:26 AM
she played great

debby
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:26 AM
dont be mean. this was one of the best woman matches i have ever seen. clijsters has been error less.

I hope you are joking.

The Dawntreader
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:29 AM
The most predictable patterns of play of any player bar none.

Kick serve-forehand-kick serve-forehand. Of course no compensation for her leaden footwork on the backhand, that renders her almost incapable of hitting through the shot with any kind of balance or base.

Stosur is a competent player, but i've never seen her as a top 10 player at all. I thought she'd get there naturally due to her US hardcourt run last year, but she shares very few elite traits.

madmax
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:30 AM
She's brainless - what else is new..

Kim's_fan_4ever
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:31 AM
Another GOAT thread from barboza :worship:

MBM
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:32 AM
The most predictable patterns of play of any player bar none.

Kick serve-forehand-kick serve-forehand. Of course no compensation for her leaden footwork on the backhand, that renders her almost incapable of hitting through the shot with any kind of balance or base.

Stosur is a competent player, but i've never seen her as a top 10 player at all. I thought she'd get there naturally due to her US hardcourt run last year, but she shares very few elite traits.

Totally with you there.

She hits that fh way too often, and her opponents can "predict" when its coming so move where they need to be and just push the ball into the open court while watch sam at full stretch across the net. It's infuriating to watch!

domagoj
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:36 AM
I hope you are joking.

both are playing very flat. both were feeling ball great today. of course it was bit one dimensional as they dont use slice or top spin, but still great match. for this part of the tourney very good match. of course it wasnt the best i have seen, but woman tennis is shit in global. 95% matches are shit and this was good.

@danieln1
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:36 AM
I´ve been say this for ages, she has no brain, no execution plan...

With that serve and those volleys, she should play way more better than she plays, if she constructed the points well, she would be ranked way higher...

Those frames are disgusting to see, and that backhand, she just prays it´s going to be inside the court

Yorker
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:38 AM
I thought Stosur played better than she usually does, this match was better than the earlier one at least.

tennisforadults
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:49 AM
The most predictable patterns of play of any player bar none.

Kick serve-forehand-kick serve-forehand. Of course no compensation for her leaden footwork on the backhand, that renders her almost incapable of hitting through the shot with any kind of balance or base.

Stosur is a competent player, but i've never seen her as a top 10 player at all. I thought she'd get there naturally due to her US hardcourt run last year, but she shares very few elite traits.

And Azarenka is top 10 material when she performed much worse against Kim?

Look, I'm not here to trash Azarenka (because I do think she's a good player) but come on, give Sam some credit. She belongs to the top 10.

In the 3 major tournaments this year, Sam's record is 4th round, SF, QF. Can't wait for the European clay swing... bring on the topspin!

fantic
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:02 AM
Another GOAT thread from barboza :worship:

What are you talking about?? It PALES with 'the other' GOAT thread :lol:

But I share barboza's frustration..Sam is a home run queen :angel:

barboza
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:05 AM
then i wouldnt recommend you watch sveta either... and she's a 2 time slam champ

EDIT: although she can pound the ball from time to time as well... and when she does, she usually wins

Well I don't like Sveta to begin with

Chakvenus
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:31 AM
yeah, to me Sam also doesn't seem like top 10 material. she is talented, as all women in the upper echelons of the sport are, but i have to agree with her predictability and over all characterization as one-dimensional. she can be flashy with her volleys, serves, and forehand, but really, thats about it.

tennisforadults
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:14 AM
yeah, to me Sam also doesn't seem like top 10 material. she is talented, as all women in the upper echelons of the sport are, but i have to agree with her predictability and over all characterization as one-dimensional. she can be flashy with her volleys, serves, and forehand, but really, thats about it.

Sometimes the simplest things work the best. A great serve and forehand combination goes a long way.

What's the use of having variety and unpredictabilities if you can't serve or can't hit a deep groundstroke? You DON'T need variety to get into the top 10. If that's the case, all top 10 players will have all-court games.

How many players outside top 50 have 'multi-dimensional' games but are unable to win many matches? It's mind boggling how many of you watch tennis like it's gymnastics or something.

Nicolás89
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:25 AM
She needs to pound the ball and be more aggressive if she wants to beat players like Clijsters and Henin.

This.

Jajaloo
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:25 AM
She only tugs on my wig, when she beats Jeja! :lol: I love her unconditionally because shes Australian.

miffedmax
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:27 AM
The most predictable patterns of play of any player bar none.



Save one, but that one's athleticism and constant glances at her mother seem to win her enough more matches to make her a legitimate Top 10 player for like the last 800 years or however long its been.

Lindsayfan32
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:39 AM
We know the game and the fittness are great that's not the problem it's what between the ears that falls down in big matches. Sam can hit the ball hard but when it come to big matches like this she gors into her shell. She has to play a great game every match or she'll kep getting beaten.

Larrybidd
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:44 AM
Sometimes the simplest things work the best. A great serve and forehand combination goes a long way.

What's the use of having variety and unpredictabilities if you can't serve or can't hit a deep groundstroke? You DON'T need variety to get into the top 10. If that's the case, all top 10 players will have all-court games.

How many players outside top 50 have 'multi-dimensional' games but are unable to win many matches? It's mind boggling how many of you watch tennis like it's gymnastics or something.

I completely agree. Sometimes you only need a fastball and a slider. Being multi-dimensional is overrated.

Serenita
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:45 AM
This.

Not this

she needs a brain transplant

thegreendestiny
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:19 AM
Stosur = brainless ballbasher with a strong serve :shrug:

Squiddie
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:58 AM
She does have great serve and can volley well but her forehand is really hit and miss, backhand is almost non-existent. She can't seem to rally for more than 5-6 shots.

She didn't make it to the top 10 for nothing, but if she wants to stay there she'd better work on her ground strokes....

LCS
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:13 AM
She's so brainless at times that I can barely believe she made it to no. 1 in doubles :tape:

madlove
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:02 PM
she's just not cut out to be a top singles player... just like paola suarez.

Svetame
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:17 PM
Since when does the whole tour revolve around Henin and Clijsters?! Sam has beaten some of the very best players, Serena, Sveta, Dementieva, all of last years Top 5 actually! (Only player to do so, I might add!) There are many players (and top 10 players too) who can't beat Henin or Clijsters. Take Dementieva for example, has lost to Henin, what, 3 times this year? And Clijsters has been practically unbeatable apart from minor blips here and there! Just because Sam lost to Kim doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to be in the top 10, she's had great results lately, so leave the girl be!

TennisFan66
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:32 PM
Sometimes the simplest things work the best. A great serve and forehand combination goes a long way.

What's the use of having variety and unpredictabilities if you can't serve or can't hit a deep groundstroke? You DON'T need variety to get into the top 10. If that's the case, all top 10 players will have all-court games.

How many players outside top 50 have 'multi-dimensional' games but are unable to win many matches? It's mind boggling how many of you watch tennis like it's gymnastics or something.

:worship:

Sammy is just one of the players some of the TF haterz bridge like to pick on with their 'drive by WUM' messages. From being near exclusively a doubles player, IMHO Sam Stosur is doing a good job at implementing her own game/abilities into a singles game. Keep it up Sammy!

SVK
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:34 PM
with her floaters, kickers, overhits, unforced errors and the inability to execute at important points. She blew a lead in the second set after leading 5-4... She needs to pound the ball and be more aggressive if she wants to beat players like Clijsters and Henin.

You´re still lucky that you´re not a fan of Hantuchova

Ellen Dawson
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:18 PM
Yeah, she has no brain.

That's not her problem. Sam's still getting used to being a top player so she struggles with her confidence. It's to be expected. Mind you, she wasn't a phenom. This is all new to her.

Sammo
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:25 PM
Yeah OK, you're tired of one of the few players who can save the WTA? Good for you, if Stosur had a better mentality she wouldn't give a set to this bunch of orthopaedic women. Oh please, Stosur's technique is amazing it can be a little bit tiring to see her losing matches because of her mind but when she's on song, it's just incredible to watch her.

Mikey B
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:43 PM
her emotionless personality is what bothers me.. i dont see any passion, drive, commitment. she is just going about her day, hitting the same shots.. which is fine, but i would enjoy her game more if she gave me someone to connect with. i think the crowd would support her more too if she had more personality..

Sammo
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:46 PM
Yes! Another showgirl! that's exactly what we need! Well next time I see Sam I'll tell her to start changing her underwear in the middle of a match or start screaming at line judges. Sure she agrees it's the best way to make her tennis better :) Excellent idea Mikey B!! :D

tennisforadults
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:02 PM
her emotionless personality is what bothers me.. i dont see any passion, drive, commitment. she is just going about her day, hitting the same shots.. which is fine, but i would enjoy her game more if she gave me someone to connect with. i think the crowd would support her more too if she had more personality..

Do you think someone with no passion, drive or commitment will jump on the plane almost every week to different tournaments, train everyday, work hard and play to win at every match??? (Just look at Nicole Vaidisova)

Sam is a shy introverted girl to start with. She doesn't show emotions on the court because she doesn't need to, and keeps the opponent guessing anyway.

If you want passionate entertainment, how bout watching some WWE? :lol:

pav
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:30 PM
I wish someone would point out all of this "uselessness" of PF to Bepa, hell she wouldn't even have to bring her racquet out with her next time they play:sad: just a long list of her faults.:)

Slammer7
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:42 PM
Yes! Another showgirl! that's exactly what we need! Well next time I see Sam I'll tell her to start changing her underwear in the middle of a match or start screaming at line judges. Sure she agrees it's the best way to make her tennis better :) Excellent idea Mikey B!! :D

Clijsters isn't a "showgirl" and she is popular. :shrug:

Sam is a quiet unassuming girl. She isn't flashy in her game or her manner. Those aren't bad personality traits, it's just not terribly marketable, exciting or attention grabbing. She has no obligation to change or 'liven it up' for those who don't care for it, but it's not wrong for people to not be fans of it. Sam has been very workwoman like in getting into the top ten and that has kinda sneaked up on many, so the rather tame losses to some of the elite are surprising and off-putting to some. :shrug: A great deal of the hate/disdain thrown at her is overblown, but some (and I say some) of the criticisms are valid. Her on-court demeanor and game style, along with her being a late bloomer in a sport used to teen queens will probably keep her from being a fan favorite. In the end all she can do is win her matches, that's all that really matters anyway.

sammy01
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:46 PM
The most predictable patterns of play of any player bar none.

Kick serve-forehand-kick serve-forehand. Of course no compensation for her leaden footwork on the backhand, that renders her almost incapable of hitting through the shot with any kind of balance or base.

Stosur is a competent player, but i've never seen her as a top 10 player at all. I thought she'd get there naturally due to her US hardcourt run last year, but she shares very few elite traits.

this, plus she has zero charm or personality on court to make up for her stoic game.

The Dawntreader
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:50 PM
this, plus she has zero charm or personality on court to make up for her stoic game.

She's the epitome of complete and utter dilligence. Any sense of competitive fire is hung up in the locker room it seems.

I was watching the re-run of her match against Clijsters, and the commentators were praising the Stosur forehand for it's supposed fluidity and 'HUGE' power. Again, Stosur is a competent hitter, but certainly not a 'shot-maker'. Her total lack of agility prevents her from being so.

Actually, her footwork could compensate but it rarely ever does.

sammy01
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:54 PM
She's the epitome of complete and utter dilligence. Any sense of competitive fire is hung up in the locker room it seems.

I was watching the re-run of her match against Clijsters, and the commentators were praising the Stosur forehand for it's supposed fluidity and 'HUGE' power. Again, Stosur is a competent hitter, but certainly not a 'shot-maker'. Her total lack of agility prevents her from being so.

Actually, her footwork could compensate but it rarely ever does.


she reminds me of molik in her 1 dimensional game based around serve and forehand, only molik had fire and passion. i think i prefer stosur wearing the shades, because she looks dead behind her eyes when she plays.

The Dawntreader
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:57 PM
she reminds me of molik in her 1 dimensional game based around serve and forehand, only molik had fire and passion. i think i prefer stosur wearing the shades, because she looks dead behind her eyes when she plays.

Molik in her prime was actually rather athletic too, so there was a slight dynamic about her. Plus she didn't take risks that were far beyond her own technique, as Stosur does with her two-hander.

Stosur just doesn't adapt well when playing top players. She rarely excels her own level of play. I swear Stosur's 'amaze wins' were just slightly better repeats of her normal standard. It still amazes me when people of TF appear so shocked when she's mauled by the elite.

P.s. Our last few posts looks like aa total hate-fest:lol:

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:02 AM
bitching is good for the soul lol

Slutiana
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:05 AM
Molik in her prime was actually rather athletic too, so there was a slight dynamic about her. Plus she didn't take risks that were far beyond her own technique, as Stosur does with her two-hander.

Stosur just doesn't adapt well when playing top players. She rarely excels her own level of play. I swear Stosur's 'amaze wins' were just slightly better repeats of her normal standard. It still amazes me when people of TF appear so shocked when she's mauled by the elite.

P.s. Our last few posts looks like aa total hate-fest:lol:

bitching is good for the soul lol
You're both only speaking the truth!

Slutiana
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:09 AM
And the constant lucky shanking completely stops me from even taking her game seriously so I won't even bother commenting on it. :tape:

sammy01
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:13 AM
the other thing with stosur, while im on my soapbox, is there are some of the most useless slices thrown in through her knowing she has hardly any chance of getting the 2 hander in from out wide on the backhand side. it is the sort of slice i see in ladies summer league matches where the ladies are just happy to get the ball in the court.

Buitenzorg
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:20 AM
Enjoy your TOP 10 spot Sam :) you deserved it :) :hug: don;t worry about these ratbag people... :lol:

Dani12
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:44 AM
Meh, tall poppy syndrome, someone starts succeeding and all you people want to do is cut them down. So really, Sam is doing something right if she is getting hate here by you bitter moaners.

Prizeidiot
Apr 2nd, 2010, 03:55 AM
Anyone can hit the ball using the strings, it takes a bloody genius to consistently win points using the frame. Apparently Sam is the most ridiculously gifted player of all time if she's in the top 10 playing the way people on this board suggest she's playing.

Or more likely, the people hating in this thread are bunch of bitter losers and are exaggerating things just a little bit.

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:16 AM
Her serve is very good though...:lol:

PizzaMan
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:29 AM
I still sometimes watch her Wimby 2008 match against Vaidisova, where Stosur lost even with Vaidisova tanking the second set and the first half of the third. One of the weirdest matches I've ever seen. lol But I kinda like her, anyway.

Beny
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:29 AM
I´ve been so impressed with Stosur lately :eek: it´s just a matter of time she puts it together. Great serve, great FH, agressive, loads of top spin. I believe she figures it out mentally and one day she is top 3.

Beny
Apr 2nd, 2010, 10:31 AM
I still sometimes watch her Wimby 2008 match against Vaidisova, where Stosur lost even with Vaidisova tanking the second set and the first half of the third. One of the weirdest matches I've ever seen. lol But I kinda like her, anyway.

I saw this one too. Truly awful. Nicole was winning even if she wasnt 100% focused on winning/ turning the match around.It was just coming like that, no matter if she herself changed something.
When people started the hype with Nicole being back, I was totally sure it´s wrong cos I had seen her matches. Nicole was not different from what she was before that. She was lucky that tournament, but not playing better.

Ben.
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:13 AM
If people want to criticise they can - doesn't hurt to have some good criticism. Although I do think that some do it over the top just to offend or get a reaction from posters on this board (which is the nature of GM anyway :lol:), maybe they're bored. So I wouldn't worry about them :)

I do agree that she needs to improve on her backhand. Just needs to get the technique & mechanism on it right. Sometimes she has a tendency to slice a lot of backhands, maybe when she isn't confident on hitting a double handed one or a problem with shot selection on that side. And usually those sliced backhands are just blunted back in with no real spin. But hey at least she is trying something.

And I do not find a problem with the kick serve-forehand combo. Sure it's simple, but it is effective when it works so she should definitely keep on using those weapons in her arsenal. Better to utilise your weapons then not I say. Plus she is extremely fit & toned which helps, especially with that serve of hers.

If she continues to work on her mental game & shot selection along with that backhand, well then who knows :) But she deserves to be in the Top 10 because she has worked hard, believed in herself more and utilised her weapons more effectively.

Territory
Apr 2nd, 2010, 11:50 AM
Meh. If you don't like her, don't watch her. If she infuriates you, don't watch her. Pretty easy really.

Drine
Apr 2nd, 2010, 12:02 PM
Meh. If you don't like her, don't watch her. If she infuriates you, don't watch her. Pretty easy really.

AMEN :angel:

Kirt12255
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:01 PM
:shrug:As long as Sam keeps making it deep into tourneys, who cares if she is apparently one dimensional, clueless, over achieving and boring. For anyone who finds those in Sams game, get used to it because you will be seeing plenty more of it.;)

Territory
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:03 PM
Hmm... one-dimensional, over-achieving, boring, big forehead, good serve, no backhand, shy/emotionless... wasn't there some tennis chick called Steffi who was a bit like that. She was alright wasn't she? :lol:

The Witch-king
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:07 PM
^ yes because SAM STOSUR is the modern daY equivalent of Steffi Graf. :help:

Territory
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:09 PM
I'm not saying she's the equivalent of steffi, but that the she has similar traits. Steffi was well-liked so why not like Sam too?

btw, it's björk, not byork. ;)

The Witch-king
Apr 2nd, 2010, 01:13 PM
Maybe cause Graf was rather good and Sam is well.... less accomplished?

Thanks for that. I'm rushing to change my signature now.

Ellen Dawson
Apr 7th, 2010, 11:28 PM
:shrug:As long as Sam keeps making it deep into tourneys, who cares if she is apparently one dimensional, clueless, over achieving and boring. For anyone who finds those in Sams game, get used to it because you will be seeing plenty more of it.;)

That's the thing I don't get. Sam is being criticized because she's playing WELL. :scratch: I wish those players that are generally better than Sam were this consistent!!!

tennisforadults
Apr 7th, 2010, 11:40 PM
Thanks for that. I'm rushing to change my signature now.

Yeah you should. I'm sure Björk doesn't like her name mispelled. She's a tough cookie I heard. ;)

Sammo
Apr 8th, 2010, 03:14 PM
Well actually Keela, Stosur has always been known for being the better player and not being consistent, I mean when she has the day she can beat any player. Not so many players can say that eh?

Loungy
Apr 8th, 2010, 03:43 PM
I mean when she has the day she can beat any player. Not so many players can say that eh?
If you go by this board and fans, every player can say that.

MegaDethly
Apr 8th, 2010, 05:19 PM
I mean when she has the day she can beat any player. Not so many players can say that eh?

righto...

petey_pan
Apr 8th, 2010, 09:21 PM
I swear to god 80% of posters on this forum hate seeing players succeed.

Slutiana
Apr 8th, 2010, 11:18 PM
Well actually Keela, Stosur has always been known for being the better player and not being consistent, I mean when she has the day she can beat any player. Not so many players can say that eh?
Most players can say that.

Carotastrophe
Apr 8th, 2010, 11:30 PM
I don't see why people are dissing Sam. You should be instead, be celebrating her accomplishments. I'm quite sure some children are really inspired by her serve. She is a good role model, and although less consistent, she's one of those players that pose a threat to Top Ranked Players, like Serena.

Illusionist
Apr 9th, 2010, 12:46 AM
She seems like a nice girl, but when I see those biceps I feel like throwing up. I mean, really? Even Serena's biceps are more feminine than hers.

But then again, why the fuck should I care so much.

Sammo
Apr 9th, 2010, 03:17 PM
Not really RIP.WTA, the ones with a mediocre game can't say that

sunsets21
Apr 9th, 2010, 05:00 PM
Nice to see this thread is still going. With success comes haters and this thread proves that she is extremely successful at the moment ;).

Svetame
Apr 9th, 2010, 05:24 PM
Hmm... one-dimensional, over-achieving, boring, big forehead, good serve, no backhand, shy/emotionless... wasn't there some tennis chick called Steffi who was a bit like that. She was alright wasn't she? :lol:

Her forehead isn't that big, is it???

:lol:

Sammo
Apr 9th, 2010, 05:57 PM
Yeah it's true Sam is so boring, I think we should all switch to more interesting players like Bethanie Mattek-Sands, or Serena Williams

Guys do me a favour if one day that is my opinion, please kill me

Drine
Apr 9th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Pfff.....I'm so sick of this thread :help: :yawn: