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s_j
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
I know Caro gets a lot of stick from certain members on here, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for her when I saw her 'on-court coaching' changeover with her dad. It was just 2 mins of pure rant and shouting at her. Sure, maybe his coaching techniques have helped her get to #2 in the world, but I still felt really uncomfortable watching him talk to her. What does everyone else think?

Dunlop1
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:59 PM
Her dad is even worse than Yuri. That's saying a lot...

Jarl_02
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:00 PM
I thought the same thing when I saw it. I just can't understand how players have their parents as their coaches. I love mine but I know I wouldn't have them as coaches.

I don't think a father-coach relationship would be good, I think the only one that works is the Williams with her mother becuase she doesn't get into their matches, she's just there watching.

Thanks God Sharapova stopped having her dad as coach

.ivy.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:01 PM
Yeah, I felt the same way. She needs to get out from his hold because that coaching technique isn't good for her mentally. It also tips the opponent off even more that there's blood in the water.

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:01 PM
She and her dad have a great relationship. Trust me, I've seen so many interviews with them and documentaries following them.

He's just trying to make her focus on court. He's not scolding her. It's his job to make her focus.

John.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:02 PM
Her Dad is a crackpot. I don;t know why she insists on inviting him onto the court, as I can't see how being shouted at like that can possibly be good for her focus

.ivy.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:02 PM
Her Dad is a crackpot. I don;t know why she insists on inviting him onto the court, as I can't see how being shouted at like that can possibly be good for her focus

I feel like if she doesn't invite him on court, she'll get yelled at even worse after the match. Commentators mentioned that she wasn't even looking at him for most of his rant...

Mary Cherry.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:03 PM
It's times like this I wish Eurosport didn't cut to commercials at every change of ends. Normally you catch a few seconds of him talking non-stop, but the commentators were saying how bad/harsh it was this time.

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
Its up to Caro really and if she's happy with the arrangement, how can anyone else know better? ..

Piotr is not a coach/trainer as such, he's more of an organizer and scheduler for her.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

MLF
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
When he's on court with her he's not her father, he's her coach. Perhaps as a player she responds better to this kind of approach. This is professional sport, managers and coaches are tough with their charges. As long as he remembers to be a dad off the court.

CerealDave
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:06 PM
Not many of us speak Polish so we can't really tell what he is saying to her.

LoLex
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:18 PM
It's times like this I wish Eurosport didn't cut to commercials at every change of ends. Normally you catch a few seconds of him talking non-stop, but the commentators were saying how bad/harsh it was this time.

He was not that harsh. He often critizes her and says how she should play. Today he told her that she's playing good but it can be better. In the third set he adviced her not to use top spins anymore. It's not like he was mad at her or sth.

julia carrot
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:20 PM
It's new to me this having someone come on court to advise on play- is it allowed in all tournaments now......?

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
Not many of us speak Polish so we can't really tell what he is saying to her.

I know what he is saying, push, push, push, and keep pushing.

vejh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
Not allowed in GS and I hope it stays that way.

WowWow
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
Her dad is even worse than Yuri. That's saying a lot...
No one's worse than Yuri:lol:

I thought the same thing when I saw it. I just can't understand how players have their parents as their coaches. I love mine but I know I wouldn't have them as coaches.

I don't think a father-coach relationship would be good, I think the only one that works is the Williams with her mother becuase she doesn't get into their matches, she's just there watching.

Thanks God Sharapova stopped having her dad as coach

She stopped winning too:help:

Squiddie
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:24 PM
He's a bad parent.

JadeFox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:40 PM
No one's worse than Yuri:lol:


Hey! Damir Dokic and Jim Pierce are highly offended now! :(


She stopped winning too:help:

She's also been injured. Yuri can't do much about that.


I don't think Caro's father is all that bad anyway. He seems firm with her but never over the top. Mind you I can't speak Polish so I'm just going by body language. He doesn't seem any better or worse than the average tennis parent/coach.

Stevecw
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:49 PM
He just never shuts up!!! No idea how she can take it all in.
Plus no if you get to that level...just get away from parents & get a real coach.

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:55 PM
He was not that harsh. He often critizes her and says how she should play. Today he told her that she's playing good but it can be better. In the third set he adviced her not to use top spins anymore. It's not like he was mad at her or sth.

Here on TF, instead of trying to post an informative and good msg, its much better to just be a drive-by WUM.

Like.

He's a crackpot.
Get a real coach.
He is a bad parent.

No point in trying to have a dialogue. Much better to just WUM it.

PS Thanks for your comments.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:56 PM
I just dislike on court coaching. I feel like you're a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. If you're not playing well, its your job to figure out the side of your opponent to pick on so you can win. Not your coaches.
I also agree with what a previous poster said about having parents as coaches. Bad idea. I think the only one that works is Richard and Oracene. They don't scream and are there for WS. I remember watching a video where Richard was talking to Serena in Miami. It was a rare time he came down. He was so calm. His voice was calm and he was just encouraging her.
I think encouragement is better than saying do this and that because its less pressure.

wildemu
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:00 PM
I understand Polish, if someone can get a video of this coaching on youtube or something i can translate it for you guys.

I saw him in Indian Wells in the final as well, it was all tactical explanation. I'm curious to see this one though.

KournikovaFan91
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:00 PM
I have always been against parents as coaches, because your coaching session never ends, if you have a fight with your coach over something you can go home when its your parent it never ends.

On-court coaching bugs me a lot. In badminton for example they also have it however for junior players in Ireland its forbidden, which makes no sense, so juniors who could do with help can't get it, but pros who should know better can recieve advice :o.

Protoss
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:02 PM
Here on TF, instead of trying to post an informative and good msg, its much better to just be a drive-by WUM.

Like.

He's a crackpot.
Get a real coach.
He is a bad parent.

No point in trying to have a dialogue. Much better to just WUM it.

PS Thanks for your comments.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:
What is a WUM? :confused:

toxina90
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:12 PM
I think on-court coaching should be banned. Surely tennis players have brains.

wildemu
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:15 PM
I kind of like it for the personal look-in to the huddle. I mean, I laughed pretty hard when Jankovic told her coach to get his elbow off of her during the IW final.

Serena y Monica
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:16 PM
Maybe he's firm w/her to try to keep her strong...that being said...I honestly agree w/most of you. It's not even so much his tone of voice that makes me uncomfortable but the fact that she doesn't look at him. There's no real communication...I kinda think it's what makes her afraid to fail...i.e. push the ball. She seems to figure out what's happening on court w/out him.

NeoZod19
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:18 PM
No one's worse than Yuri:lol:



She stopped winning too:help:

What was wrong with Yuri? consider today's outcome, wouldn't it be better to have him around?

Serena y Monica
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:26 PM
I just dislike on court coaching. I feel like you're a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. If you're not playing well, its your job to figure out the side of your opponent to pick on so you can win. Not your coaches.
I also agree with what a previous poster said about having parents as coaches. Bad idea. I think the only one that works is Richard and Oracene. They don't scream and are there for WS. I remember watching a video where Richard was talking to Serena in Miami. It was a rare time he came down. He was so calm. His voice was calm and he was just encouraging her.
I think encouragement is better than saying do this and that because its less pressure.


True... but something about his relationship w/the girls makes me uncomfortable when watching them together. I don't know why because everytime I've seen them interact he's been gentle and encouraging...but they seem smaller somehow when in his pressence. I live in AZ and used to go watch player practices when we had the "Franklin Templeton Tennis Classic" Serena would kinda reverts to baby talk around Richard. Her voice would get higher and she sounds imploring... but maybe that's just Serena the baby manipulating to get her way...who knows how these relationships work.

Lachy
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:27 PM
I know what he is saying, push, push, push, and keep pushing.

:lol:

Vaidisova Ruled
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:29 PM
I'm sorry but :weirdo:

He's not shouting at her at all. Maybe it's because you don't understand what he says. IMO he's one of the best dads on the tour

They seem to have a very good relationship. He is not "pushing" her to play tennis.

Break My Rapture
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:43 PM
I think on-court coaching should be banned. Surely tennis players have brains.
I feel the same way. :bowdown:

laurie
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:07 PM
I know Caro gets a lot of stick from certain members on here, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for her when I saw her 'on-court coaching' changeover with her dad. It was just 2 mins of pure rant and shouting at her. Sure, maybe his coaching techniques have helped her get to #2 in the world, but I still felt really uncomfortable watching him talk to her. What does everyone else think?

I'm glad you have brought this to everyone's attention - I feel the same way as you.

After all these years (decades even) we still have to watch these so called Tennis Dad experts carrying on like this because they feel they have the God given right, it sort of makes me sick. Many of the issues Michael Mewshaw raised in his book in the early 1990s still exist today when it comwes to the Tennis daughter - father relationships.

When will the WTA do something about it? It doesn't look right, after all, you wouldn't expect a paid coach to do that and I'm sure Caroline wouldn't tolerate that from a paid coach.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:14 PM
You guys don't even understand what he says and you're so quick to jump into conclusions...
He always tries to keep her motivated and tells her how to play. He's never shouted at her.

cogent53
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:23 PM
As a Eurosport viewer we missed his rants, although the commentators didn't like it. However, in other tournaments when he has come to talk to her, she has gone on to play better and win. It's helped her a lot.
It can be quite entertaining. Petrova just complained to hers non stop in a match the other week - was it against Wozniacki? Won 2nd set lost 3rd badly? Jankovic seems to argue with hers. I seem to remember Mike Joyce talking to Sharapova and swearing a lot and the commentators having to apologise! :D

I'd love to see Vera come down and look worried with Dementieva, or how about Oracene come on a talk outfits with Venus? LOL.

I hope Caroline's dad wasn't berating her too much, but his body language was very negative. Even while watching he was shaking his head at her play. I know Henin gets a lot of grief for looking over at Carlos all the time, but he mainly just stays calm and nods - he's positive at least.

thrust
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:41 PM
I feel like if she doesn't invite him on court, she'll get yelled at even worse after the match. Commentators mentioned that she wasn't even looking at him for most of his rant...

Darren Cahill did a great coaching session with Daniella yesterday, but God Almighty couldn't help her, poor girl!

Monzanator
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:52 AM
Three pages here and I wonder if anybody understand a word of what he'd said :lol:

Anyway he was basically reminding her of the court positioning and to work on the Henin's forehand side. And yeah, it was more of motivation then anger.

LeonHart
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:07 AM
I like Caro's dad. At least he can still smile after her daughter loses. In matches he's her coach but at the end of the day I'm sure he's a great father.

SHILIN-GOAT
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:17 AM
he seems like a greedy, forcing his daughter to play so many events for $$$ :shrug:

Serenita
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:40 AM
he seems like a greedy, forcing his daughter to play so many events for $$$ :shrug:
:o

TennisFan66
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:21 AM
Three pages here and I wonder if anybody understand a word of what he'd said :lol:

Anyway he was basically reminding her of the court positioning and to work on the Henin's forehand side. And yeah, it was more of motivation then anger.

Please don't try to make sense. We're on TF. Remember? :lol:

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

pattty
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:26 PM
It is so cool to talk about something you have no idea about coz you don't understand the language they are talking in... so cool!

Inger67
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:11 PM
It is so cool to talk about something you have no idea about coz you don't understand the language they are talking in... so cool!

You know it is more about HOW something is said rather than WHAT is said. Have you not learned that before? :rolleyes:

s_j
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:15 PM
Also, he was caught on camera shaking his head numerous times. I mean, he should give the girl a break! It's not like she's not already trying!

LoLex
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:23 PM
You know it is more about HOW something is said rather than WHAT is said. Have you not learned that before? :rolleyes:

You don't know the language and the accent. Different language, different style of talk.

hdfb
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:26 PM
I think on-court coaching should be banned. Surely tennis players have brains.

They don't call them brainless ballbashers for no reason!

Monzanator
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:31 PM
You know it is more about HOW something is said rather than WHAT is said. Have you not learned that before? :rolleyes:

Believe me, he was nowhere near being upset. Last time he gave her a real talking to was vs Li Na at AO, but this here wasn't even close. You probably didn't hear an angry Piotr Wozniacki before ;)

pattty
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:48 PM
You know it is more about HOW something is said rather than WHAT is said. Have you not learned that before? :rolleyes:

First learn the polish language and then give me such advices? :rolleyes:

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:34 PM
he seems like a greedy, forcing his daughter to play so many events for $$$ :shrug:

Bingo.