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Sexysova
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:56 PM
awful play from Caro in last two sets but Henin was just too good in the final set :worship:

Morning Morgan
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:56 PM
52 winners from Justine :wow:

And last game from Henin :worship:

But pls win the 1st set next time when you are serving for it

darkangel23
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:56 PM
Caro :sad:

Nice injury timeout Justine...:mad::rolleyes:

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:56 PM
:cheer:

Hanged on and at the end breaks the wall.:D
Winners/UEs
Ju:52/50
Caro:21/35!(:eek: :worship:)

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
great match

a lot closer than expected

now rest up Wozzy and get healthy

good luck to Henin in SF

Dunlop1
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
ALLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ! :worship:

#kArLoS#
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
WD Juju Heng:inlove:
Waiting for the excuses:happy:

MBM
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
what a spectacular display of inconsistency! altho to be fair, juju got pretty good the last set and a half

Serenita
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
Wozzy crumbled at the end

Aaric
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
Henin played total crap and still won :sobbing:
Caro :hug:

Cakeisgood
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
Not exactly an epic match, but JuJu played some GOAT tennis at the end.

Woz was more aggressive than usual :)

Steff_forever
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:57 PM
thanks Juju for hanging in, but Caro did really well !

cudos to both, good match (take it haters :kiss: )

Arnian
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Justine was brave and and wonderful, she came through an injury an poor play and still managed to win!

Very proud of Justine!!

Xandria
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
justine is injured... she could have won that 76 63

Shinjiro
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Some great attacking tennis! :worship:

-NAJ-
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8966/image03312156tv32.jpg

Dunlop1
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Henin was asstastic and still won lol.
She did save her best for the final game.
THAT was the Justine I remember and like to watch.

Drine
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Pffff.... so disappointing :sad:

Justine :(
Caro :hug:

John.
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Thank God Woz is out.

Hopefully it'll be Bye Bye Juju next round

Xandria
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Justine Winners- 52
caro -21

Justine Unforced Errors- 50
Caro- 30++

madmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
well, that was crap Juju, but at least you saved tennis and put pusher into her place:cheer: Win this thing now

matty
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:59 PM
Happy that Justine won--if she's playing Woz, A. Radwanska, or Kleybanova then I'm rooting for her.

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:59 PM
Henin played total crap and still won :sobbing:
Caro :hug:

She played crap at the crucial points earlier in the match but she seemed to play better at the end.:D

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:59 PM
justine is injured... she could have won that 76 63

Caroline was ill and fatigued from all those consecutive matches in IW and Miami.

Justine was clearly faking injury which was the turning point of the match.

and yes, I'm only saying that because I know if Caroline had been the one taking timeout at that point, you idiots would've been all over her like usual.

Caroline proved that she can easily hang with Henin and that her "moonballs" are highly effective against Henin. Deal with it. This wasn't the beatdown you were praying for.

Noctis
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:02 PM
:rolleyes:

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:02 PM
:scratch:

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:02 PM
That was a long grueling match and we have to see how Justine comes out of it physically.
Most of the tour would have fallen off but Justine hit a lot of winners after 2 and half hours of running

BlackPanther.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:03 PM
Oh well, Caro :hug: Good two weeks ;)
Henin, how is your back going? :rolleyes:

Arnian
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
Very proud of Justine for winning this.

Slutati
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
Nice injury time out, Justine. :rolleyes:
Poor Caro. Should've won the match. Oh well. 21 winners. :bowdown:

eck
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
:woohoo:

Good job Justine :yeah:

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
Henin, stop being so agressive, it's horrible coming from you.

lightningquick
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
grats ju :worship:

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
:haha: pure comedy...from all players involved....:haha:

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
Caro played well... Henin played like absolute garbage and still won.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:04 PM
7 threads about this win!:spit:

Congrats Caro, you're officially the most hated girl on this forum!:yeah:

FORZA SARITA
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
la la la:cheer:

Njay16
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
Tough match physically, Caro fought till the end despite her fatigue. Good effort Caro :hug: Made Justine earn it.

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
Caroline was ill and fatigued from all those consecutive matches in IW and Miami.

Justine was clearly faking injury which was the turning point of the match.

Glad you have a crystal ball... Caroline did not look sick at all... She probably got tired by the end because it was a very tough match.. Justine cut out her errors and moved her all over the court. This was so smart from Justine to force Caroline to run and thus break down her amazing consistency. Caroline played a good match and did not lose it. Justine won it. :)

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
Btw, this was an awful match.... very disappointed. I cant believe i watched it. I feel like i wasted so much time.

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
:haha: Such terrible play from Justine. So much ballbashing, but she played well at the end.


Yes kman! We all believe you that Caroline is sick. We sure do!

Apoleb
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
Bashnin. :hearts:

That forehand looks fugly and forced and I'm not at all impressed by it. For every winner there's an UE. It helped that the Pushtard kept playing to the backhand at the end. Thank you, Caro.

Rafito.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:05 PM
Justine looking over at her coach every single point is so annoying!

Anyways, Good try Caroline. Good luck in Ponte Verde.

Hashim.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:06 PM
Caroline:sad:
On a side note she looked extra cute today:hearts:

Justine:yeah:

Xandria
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM
Caroline was ill and fatigued from all those consecutive matches in IW and Miami.

Justine was clearly faking injury which was the turning point of the match.

and yes, I'm only saying that because I know if Caroline had been the one taking timeout at that point, you idiots would've been all over her like usual.

Caroline proved that she can easily hang with Henin. Deal with it.

you know nothing of justines backhand... there is something wrong on it during the first set when she tried to respond the moonball while facing her fack against caro..

carol is a moonball queen.. she's laughable because almost all of her points were acquired through JUJU's fault.

Lady
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM
That was exhausting!

Well done to both ladies for hanging in there!

Justine, please try not to miss so many shots from the middle of the court, and remember how to hit passing shots. I can understand errors when you're playing aggressive, but on the short balls?

fantic
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM
Do I have to say 'A win is a win?' :lol: (A UE machine, like Venus)

Caro :hug: Certainly the best player of the younger generation, and also one of the most

'balanced'? one. (her passing shots and lobs are underrated, methink. her reaction to the

opponent's net play isn't bad. Apparently can run, too)

Juju, just win the Wimby. That's all I ask ;)

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM
It was jsut so weird, at one point she couldn't get the ball past the service line, then she couldn't keep the ball in the court, then she was bashing the ball straight down the middle and eventually dd a crazy mishit then FINALLY she played well. Kim should steamroll her if she plays (and chokes) like that again, seriously.

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM
Henin, stop being so agressive, it's horrible coming from you.


NOT this... Justine needs to stay aggressive... She needs to be aggressive with margin and better shot selection which is what she did in sets 2 and 3. If she had not been aggressive, Caroline hit plant her strong lower body and just hit for days and never get tired. Justine had to move her and run her to get control... First set and some returns late in the match were indeed too aggressive.

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:07 PM
Henin's stats look just like Venus' often do after a long match. I see the Wimbledon connection there if she executes as brilliantly as she can.

miffedmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
Oh, barf. Again.

WonderfulLee
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
that one point for Caro in the first set because justine's allez in the midle of play is funny...

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
Caroline was ill and fatigued from all those consecutive matches in IW and Miami.

Justine was clearly faking injury which was the turning point of the match.

and yes, I'm only saying that because I know if Caroline had been the one taking timeout at that point, you idiots would've been all over her like usual.

Caroline proved that she can easily hang with Henin and that her "moonballs" are highly effective against Henin. Deal with it. This wasn't the beatdown you were praying for.
That wasn't Henin out there. :lol:

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
carol is a moonball queen.. she's laughable because almost all of her points were acquired through JUJU's fault.

Her "moonballs" were obviously highly effective against Henin as Henin had no answer for them. And you guys were all saying "if Caro plays her usual moonball game, Henin is going to KILL her" blah blah. Well, those "moonballs", or tactical tempo-changers, won her the first set.

Well done Caroline. You did MUCH, MUCH better than Azarenka against Clijsters and you're only 19.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
NOT this... Justine needs to stay aggressive... She needs to be aggressive with margin and better shot selection which is what she did in sets 2 and 3. If she had not been aggressive, Caroline hit plant her strong lower body and just hit for days and never get tired. Justine had to move her and run her to get control... First set and some returns late in the match were indeed too aggressive.The tired issue will be a part of red clay. Points will be very long in Caro matches. Justine showed good stamina, but I bet she will feel exhausted tomorrow

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
how's the back jh :lol:

Machi
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
Glad Juju got rid of that awful Pushniacki.

Number 2 in the world with no GS's and NO Tier one trophies.

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
you know nothing of justines backhand... there is something wrong on it during the first set when she tried to respond the moonball while facing her fack against caro..

carol is a moonball queen.. she's laughable because almost all of her points were acquired through JUJU's fault.

Justine's backhand won her the match on so many big points. The crazy angles and the down the line shots opened the court up. Some of these posters don't understand her game... She even finished the match with several great baseline and volley backhands.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:09 PM
Her "moonballs" were obviously highly effective against Henin as Henin had no answer for them. And you guys were all saying "if Caro plays her usual moonball game, Henin is going to KILL her" blah blah. Well, those "moonballs", or tactical tempo-changers, won her the first set.

Henin was making ridiculous errors. You think she'll play like that next time?

Bobisa
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:10 PM
http://www.pic4ever.com/images/4fvgdaq_th.gif

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:10 PM
Caro was not ill or fatiqued for at least 1 1/2 sets. She got tired because it was a tough match, but that's it.

Justine made 27 UEs in the 1st set alone and then cut her own errors down drastically for the next two sets. She upped her level, Caro couldn't up hers. All she could do was keep it competitive, but in the end it wasn't enough.

Food for thought from someone with no clue about tennis: Why didn't she try and go for more when she felt that she got tired (if that's what happened)?

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:11 PM
Henin's stats look just like Venus' often do after a long match. I see the Wimbledon connection there if she executes as brilliantly as she can.
If she wants to win Wimbledon she can't hug the baseline like that.

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:11 PM
7 threads about this win!:spit:

Congrats Caro, you're officially the most hated girl on this forum!:yeah:

TF is off suicide watch for now. Just a shame this 19yr old girl gets better and better .. IMHO just a matter of time before she is ranked No 1 and wins her first Slam ..

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

Serenita
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:11 PM
how's the back jh :lol:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2heivd3.jpg

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:11 PM
that one point for Caro in the first set because justine's allez in the midle of play is funny...

Yeah she needs to time those Allez's better since Caroline gets to insane shots LOL. :lol:

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:11 PM
Henin was making ridiculous errors. You think she'll play like that next time?If Henin keeps trying to hit outright winners from the baseline, she will keep making errors along with winners. If she could pound each ball into the corner she would never lose.

thrust
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:11 PM
Cheatine made 50 errors and Wozzy still cant win
both is a joke .

YOU ARE THE SICK JOKE!! Only saw first set, sure there were many mistakes by Justine but some brilliant play too. Never expected Justine to win after losing that tie-break. Well done champ, keep it up!

Xandria
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:12 PM
Her "moonballs" were obviously highly effective against Henin as Henin had no answer for them. And you guys were all saying "if Caro plays her usual moonball game, Henin is going to KILL her" blah blah. Well, those "moonballs", or tactical tempo-changers, won her the first set.

Well done Caroline. You did MUCH, MUCH better than Azarenka against Clijsters and you're only 19.

justine shoul'd won that if she didn't give an extra point for caro because of SHOUTING allez.. shes AD-40 on that then it becamse 40-40 :rolleyes:

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:12 PM
Her "moonballs" were obviously highly effective against Henin as Henin had no answer for them. And you guys were all saying "if Caro plays her usual moonball game, Henin is going to KILL her" blah blah. Well, those "moonballs", or tactical tempo-changers, won her the first set.

Well done Caroline. You did MUCH, MUCH better than Azarenka against Clijsters and you're only 19.
Ju finally figured how to deal with the moonball.:p

how's the back jh :lol:

It's the hip :p

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
If she wants to win Wimbledon she can't hug the baseline like that.

You can win Wimbledon hugging the baseline. And you play according to your opponent. Caro does not have very much pace on her shots and with those moonballs, it's better to hit them on the rise and be aggressive rather than staying back and simply rallying back.

No need for ppl to make all kinds of assumptions based on one match.

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
If she wants to win Wimbledon she can't hug the baseline like that.

Didn't watch the match and haven't seen Justine since the AO, so I can't comment. Just thought the stats were revealing.

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
Her "moonballs" were obviously highly effective against Henin as Henin had no answer for them. And you guys were all saying "if Caro plays her usual moonball game, Henin is going to KILL her" blah blah. Well, those "moonballs", or tactical tempo-changers, won her the first set.

Well done Caroline. You did MUCH, MUCH better than Azarenka against Clijsters and you're only 19.
Lord. :weirdo:

kaghat
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
I must say I was almost crying when Justine lost the first set! But the last set especially was Just N1 attitude and game! (don't forget she was playing with N2)... Kim and Justine are showing who is the boss!!!!:worship:

TennisFanForever
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
Justine saving WTA :hearts:

Dodoboy.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
Henin thought she had to be SOOOOO aggressive to win that match!

Not sure she had the right tactics, well at least didn't execute very well.

Great to see Caro more aggressive on Second Serve Return - still a lot of her game that needs improving. But she's got a great ranking, no pressure about that - just needs to work on her ACTUAL game now. Serve saved her a lot, Henin looked overpowered a LOT, but when she had a slight dip Henin was all over it and never looked back.

She had chances to win that match, just glad she made it competitive.

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:13 PM
Justine looking over at her coach every single point is so annoying!

Anyways, Good try Caroline. Good luck in Ponte Verde.

Isn't that Mickey Mouse tourney called Ponte Vedra?? Yeah, good luck there, Caro... but seriously, why play these kinds of Mickey Mouse tourneys? Is she letting her dad make her schedule?

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:14 PM
YOU ARE THE SICK JOKE!! Only saw first set, sure there were many mistakes by Justine but some brilliant play too. Never expected Justine to win after losing that tie-break. Well done champ, keep it up!Factor in that Wozniacki just played 6 matches in California, and her style is long points, then the long Kirilenko match.
If Caro never gets tired she isn't human

Xandria
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:15 PM
TF is off suicide watch for now. Just a shame this 19yr old girl gets better and better .. IMHO just a matter of time before she is ranked No 1 and wins her first Slam ..

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

what kind of slam.. Antarctica Open?? Africa Open?

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:15 PM
You can win Wimbledon hugging the baseline. And you play according to your opponent. Caro does not have very much pace on her shots and with those moonballs, it's better to hit them on the rise and be aggressive rather than staying back and simply rallying back.

No need for ppl to make all kinds of assumptions based on one match.
Justine doesn't handle the low bounce well. :shrug: My point is that she does need to be aggressive, but she needs to be moving forward. And yes, it will be interesting to see how she plays next.
Didn't watch the match and haven't seen Justine since the AO, so I can't comment.
Lucky you.

joão.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:15 PM
Nice effort, Caro.

madmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:15 PM
Pushniacki is still keeping her record of never beating a former #1 player intact...:devil: True powerhouse, this current World #2

Slutati
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:16 PM
So much for Henin schooling her though. :happy::happy:

joão.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:16 PM
what kind of slam.. Antarctica Open?? Africa Open?

Antarctica Open would be rad!

shap_half
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:16 PM
Her "moonballs" were obviously highly effective against Henin as Henin had no answer for them. And you guys were all saying "if Caro plays her usual moonball game, Henin is going to KILL her" blah blah. Well, those "moonballs", or tactical tempo-changers, won her the first set.

Well done Caroline. You did MUCH, MUCH better than Azarenka against Clijsters and you're only 19.

Maybe in the first set were the moonballs working but eventually Justine just started thrashing at them.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:16 PM
what kind of slam.. Antarctica Open?? Africa Open?

Ponte Vedra Open?:shrug:

Is she seriously going to play this MM?*side eye*

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:16 PM
Factor in that Wozniacki just played 6 matches in California, and her style is long points, then the long Kirilenko match.
If Caro never gets tired she isn't human

Indeed. Plus the illness.

Even the haters are impressed, they just won't admit it :angel:

Rafito.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:17 PM
Isn't that Mickey Mouse tourney called Ponte Vedra?? Yeah, good luck there, Caro... but seriously, why play these kinds of Mickey Mouse tourneys? Is she letting her dad make her schedule?

Your point is? :weirdo:

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:17 PM
Factor in that Wozniacki just played 6 matches in California, and her style is long points, then the long Kirilenko match.
If Caro never gets tired she isn't human

The match was NOT in Caro's hands.

pigmalion
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:17 PM
lovely third set :drool:

vejh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:18 PM
Caroline does her style well, especially when she plays a pusher-type player. For a while there Ju was a bad pusher, but once she took back command of the points.....

Don't think Caroline was that sick.

Dodoboy.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:18 PM
Lord. :weirdo:

To be honest - think about Ana, Jelena and co against Justine! This is a great start by Caro. Generally think she could give Henin a lot of trouble in the future.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:19 PM
Justine doesn't handle the low bounce well. :shrug: My point is that she does need to be aggressive, but she needs to be moving forward. And yes, it will be interesting to see how she plays next.

Who says she doesn't handle the low bounce well? She has 3 grass titles, 2 Wimbledon finals, and 3 additional SF appearances.

Her short stature allows her better access to the low bounce actually. But Miami is a different animal and hardcourt is different altogether.

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:19 PM
Maybe in the first set were the moonballs working but eventually Justine just started thrashing at them.

Caroline didn't use many toward the end and when she did they were poorly executed as she was obviously tired. Not like in the first set where she placed them perfectly on the lines and Henin had no answer.

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:19 PM
Antarctica Open would be rad!
:sobbing:



Can't believe i'm sayng this, but I prefer kman over goldenlox now. :sobbing:

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:20 PM
Indeed. Plus the illness.

Even the haters are impressed, they just won't admit it :angel:

Illness.

Victoria Azarenka vs Serena Williams Australia Open 2009. That was a match decided by illness. ;)

Today's match? Not so much.

Caro played good, but not good enough.

I could go on now and be all like "If Justine hadn't hit so many UEs blah...blah..", but that's just as irrelevant for the outcome of the match as Caro's illness.:rolleyes:

vejh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:20 PM
that one point for Caro in the first set because justine's allez in the midle of play is funny...

It kinda was.:lol:You would think Ju knows better than to lose a point like that.lol. I am glad that she ended winning that game for her sake.

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:21 PM
Glad you have a crystal ball... Caroline did not look sick at all... She probably got tired by the end because it was a very tough match.. Justine cut out her errors and moved her all over the court. This was so smart from Justine to force Caroline to run and thus break down her amazing consistency. Caroline played a good match and did not lose it. Justine won it. :)

:spit: did you watch the match? :lol: Caro played just as bad as Justine... against anyone else both of these players would have been wiped off the court with how they palyed today...

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:21 PM
Indeed. Plus the illness.

Even the haters are impressed, they just won't admit it :angel:


My Friend,

We all know that Caroline is doing wonderful... so forget the haters... I have to deal with haters since Justine is my favorite... Successful players will always have haters and Caroline is really smart and successful and will get better and better. Forget the haters :D

Any "fan" who thinks that someone like Azarenka for example is better than Wozniacki doesn't really understand geometry or tennis. Wozniacki has got game and charisma!:worship:

Hugh.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:21 PM
Pushniacki is still keeping her record of never beating a former #1 player intact...:devil: True powerhouse, this current World #2

Mauresmo?


Good effort from Caro today...unlucky that Henin upped her game at the important points. Hardly a thrashing like many were predicting.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:21 PM
Your point is? :weirdo:

Probably: WHY on earth does the NO.2 player in the world play SO MANY tournaments!?!?

Dodoboy.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
Caro did a LOT better than many 'informed' fans thought she would!

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
Pushniacki is still keeping her record of never beating a former #1 player intact...:devil: True powerhouse, this current World #2

At the Madrid Masters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Masters), Mauresmo defeated Zheng Jie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Jie) in the second round 6–2, 7–5. She then came from behind to defeat Elena Dementieva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Dementieva) 1–6, 6–4, 6–2, and Ágnes Szávay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81gnes_Sz%C3%A1vay) 5–7, 6–1, 6–1 in the third round and quarterfinal respectively. She lost against fast-rising teenager star Caroline Wozniacki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Wozniacki) 7–6(1) 6–3 in the semifinals.

From Mauresmos wiki page. I believe she's a former #1 ..

ce
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
:yeah:

LightsOut!
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:23 PM
Juju lost a set :help:...such an expected win!!!!

debby
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:23 PM
Caroline was ill and fatigued from all those consecutive matches in IW and Miami.

Justine was clearly faking injury which was the turning point of the match.

and yes, I'm only saying that because I know if Caroline had been the one taking timeout at that point, you idiots would've been all over her like usual.

Caroline proved that she can easily hang with Henin and that her "moonballs" are highly effective against Henin. Deal with it. This wasn't the beatdown you were praying for.

She didn't fake her injury, she called the physio when she was winning her serve games. I don't see where is the interest to fake an injury when Wozniacki has just lost the previous game. Usually you take a medical time out just to break your opponent's rhythym.

It was jsut so weird, at one point she couldn't get the ball past the service line, then she couldn't keep the ball in the court, then she was bashing the ball straight down the middle and eventually dd a crazy mishit then FINALLY she played well. Kim should steamroll her if she plays (and chokes) like that again, seriously.

She knows Kim very well, she never played Caro. So it will be a new match. Nothing new.

Caro was not ill or fatiqued for at least 1 1/2 sets. She got tired because it was a tough match, but that's it.

Justine made 27 UEs in the 1st set alone and then cut her own errors down drastically for the next two sets. She upped her level, Caro couldn't up hers. All she could do was keep it competitive, but in the end it wasn't enough.

Food for thought from someone with no clue about tennis: Why didn't she try and go for more when she felt that she got tired (if that's what happened)?

:worship:

You can win Wimbledon hugging the baseline. And you play according to your opponent. Caro does not have very much pace on her shots and with those moonballs, it's better to hit them on the rise and be aggressive rather than staying back and simply rallying back.

No need for ppl to make all kinds of assumptions based on one match.

:worship: again.

It was hilarious to read the " Juju will destroy her" "Juju 6-0 6-0 " blabla, Caro's game is working, I don't see why she should change it. Justine hates playing someone she never played, especially if she is an excellent retriever a la Jankovic (remember how Justine struggled for each win against Jankovic except two wins 6-2 6-2 ).

If they meet on clay, I think this time, Justine will win very easily.



:worship: Justine. Was so worried at first set, she was so ups and downs :o Too much ballbashing. Caro drove her into nuts.

But it was so much better after, she understood that she should use the slice often, Caro doesn't like it, and she was going for her shots. Then she served very well.

52 winners against Caro who was such a wall today is amazing. Even if she hit 50 unforced errors, after all, a win is a win ?

And Serena had to save MPs against Caro, but everybody forgets it. :tape: It means nothing to struggle against Caro if not she has a very tricky game.

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:24 PM
Pushniacki is still keeping her record of never beating a former #1 player intact...:devil: True powerhouse, this current World #2

She beat Mauresmo and she's still only 19 and her matches against the former #1s are getting closer and closer. By the time she's 21, she'll be beating them regularly.

In fact, if she ran into Ivanovic or Sharapova right now, I'd be putting all my money on Caroline ;)

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:24 PM
Caroline had been sick earlier in the tourney but she did not call for the trainer and did not look sick at all... To say that she played sick for almost 3 hours is pretty ridiculous.

Russianboy
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:25 PM
henin :o

KV
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:25 PM
Great Justine, didn't need to play her best to beat Caro. :)

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:26 PM
She beat Mauresmo and she's still only 19 and her matches against the former #1s are getting closer and closer. By the time she's 21, she'll be beating them regularly.

Retired players dont count. :wavey:

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:27 PM
Great Justine, didn't need to play her best to beat Caro. :)

Caro didn't need to be 100% to take set from Justine.

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:28 PM
Caro didn't need to be 100% to take set from Justine.


True... easy to take a set when your opponent his 27 ue's LOL.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:28 PM
Caro will get her chance at some former #1's on clay. I think she is ready for a big clay season.
Not sure if Justine going for winners like today will work on red clay.

young_gunner913
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:28 PM
Justine how did you lose a set? :spit:

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:29 PM
Probably: WHY on earth does the NO.2 player in the world play SO MANY tournaments!?!?

You could google and look up what Caro has answered to that very question many times before? .. As a Top 10 now (Caro was ranked # 12 at the start of 2009), WTA is restricting the tournaments she's allowed to part take in anyway. But of course I think you know that.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:29 PM
Retired players dont count. :wavey:

She wasn't retired when Caro beat her. The poster I responded to did not say "active former #1s"

Squiddie
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:29 PM
Antarctica Open would be rad!

She would probably lose to a penguin.

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:30 PM
True... easy to take a set when your opponent his 27 ue's LOL.

Justine couldn't handle Caro's unorthodox style that well, hence the errors. Caro almost always causes her opponent to hit large number of errors because of her unorthodox style.

The only player who seems to deal well with Caroline's style on a consistent basis is Jankovic.

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:31 PM
She wasn't retired when Caro beat her. The poster I responded to did not say "active former #1s"

She wasn't N1 either.

C. W. Fields
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:32 PM
About fatigue and excuses; Caro was clearly exhausted at the end but it's not an excuse, it's simply a part of the game. When you play back-to-back tournaments where you reach the final in the first and then do a long flight to a different climate and play long matches then you are prone to illness and exhaustion. But it's Caro's own choice to play her hard schedule, there's noone else to blame.
If Caro had converted one of her BPs at 3-3 second set she might have won the match. But after Henin held and broke the match was a done deal. In the last set Caro didn't have the power left to put Henin under sufficient pressure, and Henin is deadly efficient against shots with insufficient power behind them. Henin also showed that Caro's 2nd serve is still a weakness, hitting many return winners on them.

Congrats to Henin and an honorable farewell to Caro. You went down fighting, kiddo. Now get some rest and have a good clay season. :)

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:32 PM
:spit: did you watch the match? :lol: Caro played just as bad as Justine... against anyone else both of these players would have been wiped off the court with how they palyed today...

Caro played pretty well today actually. She was more aggressive than she is when I usually watch her. Her serve was fairly effective until it disappeared. It wasnt until the last set and a half that her game faltered. Otherwise, she was the brick wall she usually is with a little extra pop.

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:32 PM
Retired players dont count. :wavey:

So you found a way to twist it, so your fellow Caro haterz claim was validated. Good for you. The 'never won a set' blah blah haterz mantra is though gone for sure. Soon there won't be much left for haterz to hold onto. But for the suicide hotline :lol:

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

debby
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:32 PM
Caro will get her chance at some former #1's on clay. I think she is ready for a big clay season.
Not sure if Justine going for winners like today will work on red clay.

I wonder how she will play on clay.

I understand why she changes her game on hardcourts because she doesn't rip off everybody on that surface, she needs to serve better and blablah. But on clay, with her old game, she was destroying everybody so I don't see why she should drastically change it. If she does, then I would be disappointed. But I don't think, she is pretty smart, anyway I hope. :tape:

Xandria
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:33 PM
She would probably lose to a penguin.

hahahahaha :lol:

madmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:33 PM
She would probably lose to a penguin.

:haha::haha:

fouc
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:34 PM
hi quality stuff (as for wta2010 standards). Henin played GOAT 2 sets, and Caro was also more than all right. It looks like she is capable not to push if she feels like. :eek:

shap_half
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:34 PM
To be honest - think about Ana, Jelena and co against Justine! This is a great start by Caro. Generally think she could give Henin a lot of trouble in the future.

Justine never plays well against people she's never faced in the past. That's just the nature of her psychosis. Justine is altogether better than Caroline, and while I don't think every match will be a straightforward affair, I think Justine will most likely be winning all of them.

Juju Nostalgique
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:34 PM
~~~ GOATRESS ~~~

:worship: :bowdown:

thrust
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:34 PM
that one point for Caro in the first set because justine's allez in the midle of play is funny...

I never saw that, by anyone, before. She was to hyped at that point of the match-LOL!! Still, she won and that is all that counts for me!

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:35 PM
I told you it wouldn’t be a walk in the park for Justine.
Wozniacki played exactly like she should have for a set and a half : after shaky start she began to execute her classic high percentage tennis hitting rather deep and throwing in occasional moonballs. It didn't take long for her to completely break down Henin’s backhand.
I know, many praise Wozniacki for her supposed “mental toughness” and, indeed, unlike the notorious Russian chokers she didn’t shit her pants only because the evil witch happened to ‘Alllez!’ at her from the other side of the net. But I really think Caro’s composure has nothing to do with aforementioned mental toughness – she doesn’t choke only because she seems never to be in position to choke as she never plays the leading role on the court. Today’s match was yet another showcase of huge limitations in her game and weaponry. As soon as Henin managed to raise her level a bit and hit several forehand winners Wozniacki was a toast – she was unable to come up with any kind of counterattack and her ever creepy forehand turned into even more criminal shot (if it was even posssible, of course) under the added pressure.
As for Henin, she was fairly disappointing throughout the whole match. I has never been a fan of her game/technique and once again saw how forced (not sure if I use the correct word here) her serve, forehand, volleys and movement are. I wouldn’t say it’s bad though cos, despite being the only “natural”part of her game, Justine’s backhand also appears to be the weaker shot in most of the matches.

P.S.
Forgot to :rolleyes: @ Henin's medical timeout.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:37 PM
I wonder how she will play on clay.

I understand why she changes her game on hardcourts because she doesn't rip off everybody on that surface, she needs to serve better and blablah. But on clay, with her old game, she was destroying everybody so I don't see why she should drastically change it. If she does, then I would be disappointed. But I don't think, she is pretty smart, anyway I hope. :tape:I thought Justine would try to work the points in the AO final. Play the way she has beaten Serena many times before. Not experiment in a slam final.
It depends how committed she and Carlos will be to perfecting this style before Wimbledon.

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:38 PM
Justine couldn't handle Caro's unorthodox style that well, hence the errors. Caro almost always causes her opponent to hit large number of errors because of her unorthodox style.

The only player who seems to deal well with Caroline's style on a consistent basis is Jankovic.
unorthodox? :unsure:

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:38 PM
As soon as Henin managed to raise her level a bit and hit several forehand winners Wozniacki was a toast

As soon as Caroline started showing fatigue from all those consecutive matches these past few weeks and lost the depth and accuracy in her shots, she was toast.

See how that works?

It's all a matter of pespective.

Caroline proved she could hang with Henin just fine. She took first set and showed mental toughness in the tiebreak. She had break points in the second set to take the lead 4-3 but failed to capitalize. By the third set she was clearly out of gas but still managed a respectable 4-6.

Not bad.

Remember Azarenka against Clijsters? She got embarassed in 2 sets and bagelled out of the tournament. And she's a year older and supposed to be Caroline's "superior". So much for that. Caroline is clearly the leading player of the new generation right now despite being one of the youngest with her 19.

Squiddie
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:40 PM
As soon as Caroline started showing fatigue from all those consecutive matches these past few weeks and lost the depth and accuracy in her shots, she was toast.

See how that works?

It's all a matter of pespective.

Yep - and yours stinks worse than Wozniacki's forehand.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:40 PM
As soon as Caroline started showing fatigue from all those consecutive matches these past few weeks and lost the depth and accuracy in her shots, she was toast.

See how that works?

It's all a matter of delusion.

Caroline proved she could hang with Henin just fine. She took first set and showed mental toughness in the tiebreak. She had break points in the second set to take the lead 4-3 but failed to capitalize. By the third set she was clearly out of gas but still managed a respectable 4-6.

Not bad.

Remember Azarenka against Clijsters?

Fixed it for you

Apoleb
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:43 PM
despite being the only “natural”part of her game, Justine’s backhand also appears to be the weaker shot in most of the matches.I'm not sure what you were watching because her backhand was the crucial shot, especially the cross-court one. It was certainly the better shot today. She has on average better depth on her bh than the fh. The fh is just hit and miss, and she's able to generate more power on it when she's lining it up, but even then, she missed so many mid court balls of it.

Justine's "natural" forehand is the loopy one she used to play 01/02. Works reasonably well on clay but obviously she had to change it to be effective on fast courts. It still does not look impressive for me.

Yorker
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:44 PM
27 errors in the first set and she still served for it, either Woz starts possessing more aggression or she will never beat one of the elites. I like her serve and that's about it.

kaghat
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:44 PM
I told you it wouldn’t be a walk in the park for Justine.
Wozniacki played exactly like she should have for a set and a half : after shaky start she began to execute her classic high percentage tennis hitting rather deep and throwing in occasional moonballs. It didn't take long for her to completely break down Henin’s backhand.
I know, many praise Wozniacki for her supposed “mental toughness” and, indeed, unlike the notorious Russian chokers she didn’t shit her pants only because the evil witch happened to ‘Alllez!’ at her from the other side of the net. But I really think Caro’s composure has nothing to do with aforementioned mental toughness – she doesn’t choke only because she seems never to be in position to choke as she never plays the leading role on the court. Today’s match was yet another showcase of huge limitations in her game and weaponry. As soon as Henin managed to raise her level a bit and hit several forehand winners Wozniacki was a toast – she was unable to come up with any kind of counterattack and her ever creepy forehand turned into even more criminal shot (if it was even posssible, of course) under the added pressure.
As for Henin, she was fairly disappointing throughout the whole match. I has never been a fan of her game/technique and once again saw how forced (not sure if I use the correct word here) her serve, forehand, volleys and movement are. I wouldn’t say it’s bad though cos, despite being the only “natural”part of her game, Justine’s backhand also appears to be the weaker shot in most of the matches.

P.S.
Forgot to :rolleyes: @ Henin's medical timeout.

:smash: My best regards to Bodo!

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:44 PM
Fixed it for you

:lol:l:lol::lol:lol:lol: since when Pushniacki has depth in her shots.

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:45 PM
This whole power game Justine is trying she really should either go back to her old game or really perfect it. She made SOOO many errors on her forehand. Easy errors too

Blu€
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:45 PM
Such a shame Caro :( but haters expected a double bagel so :worship:
Rest and keep working :kiss::kiss:

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:45 PM
:lol:l:lol::lol:lol:lol: since when Pushniacki has depth in her shots.

Watch/rewatch the first set. She was painting that baseline.

cecilija
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:45 PM
I'm not sure what you were watching because her backhand was the crucial shot, especially the cross-court one. It was certainly the better shot today. She has on average better depth on her bh than the fh. The fh is just hit and miss, and she's able to generate more power on it when she's lining it up, but even then, she missed so many mid court balls of it.

Indeed, the bh saved her as usual. The forehand, on the other hand is beyond horrible.
Now even her movement is forced :lol:

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:47 PM
Rewatch the first set.

No, thanks.

Andrew Laeddis
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:48 PM
Kudos to Carlos for telling Justin to take that injury time out in the 2nd set. She turned things around after that. :yeah:

Tough loss Caro :hug: Your play was dreadful though. :o

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:49 PM
You could google and look up what Caro has answered to that very question many times before? .. As a Top 10 now (Caro was ranked # 12 at the start of 2009), WTA is restricting the tournaments she's allowed to part take in anyway. But of course I think you know that.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

I know the rules and restrictons, thank you very much.

My point being: Som people like to blame her loss on having played 6 matches in IW and the tough matches in Miami.
As a top player Caro has to expect to go deep into the draw of pretty much every tournament she enters and thus it would be logical for her to cut down the number of tournaments she enters in order to make sure that she's 100% fit (and rested) once it comes to the Slams or other big tournaments.

Let's take a quick look at her schedule.

1. Jan 11th, 2010..........Medibank International..........Sydney,Australia
2. Jan 18th, 2010..........Australian Open..........Melbourne,Australia
3. Feb 1st, 2010..........BNP Paribas Fed Cup..........Cruz, Portugal
4. Feb 15th, 2010..........Barclays Dubai Tennis Championships..........Dubai, UAE
5. Mar 8th, 2010..........BNP Paribas Open..........Indian Wells, California, USA
6. Mar 22nd, 2010..........Sony Ericsson Open..........Miami, Florida, USA

So far, so good. Nothing out of ordinary here, nothing that makes you go "whut!?" concerning her decisions.:)

Now it gets scetchy.
After playing back-to-back tournaments she's not taking a week off, instead playing another back-to-back events.

7. Apr 5th, 2010..........The MPS Group Championships..........Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, USA
8. Apr 10th, 2010..........Family Circle Cup..........Charleston, South Carolina, USA

Then. After 4 consecutuve weeks of tennis she's finally taking a week off, but only to play for another 4 consecutive weeks, with NO time in between before playing a Grand Slam!
Given her rank, her abilities (especially on clay) and the other players current form, it's pretty save to assume that Caro won't suffer any shocking early exits. She's a world class athlete and in a great physical shape, but she'll probably be burned out / overplayed by the French Open.
Doesn't look like smart scheduling for me.

9. Apr 26th, 2010..........Porsche Tennis Grand Prix..........Stuttgart, Germany
10. May 3rd, 2010..........Internazionali BNL D'Italia..........Rome, Italy
11. May 10th, 2010..........Mutua Madrilena Madrid Open..........Madrid, Spain
12. May 17th, 2010..........Warsaw Open..........Warsaw,Poland
13. May 24th, 2010..........Roland Garros..........Paris, France

I understand that she can skip neither Charleston nor Stuttgart because she isn't playing Stanford or San Diego, but why Ponte Vedra Beach and Warsaw (I know she's polish, but...)?

Don't know if she intends to play Tokyo or not, but her Clay Season is packed like she was some random journey woman, trying to make as many points as possible, but she's not.:shrug:
I wish she'd take just one or two out of her schedule. For her own good!

miss molly
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:49 PM
Congrats Ju:bounce: Wozniacki is a very tough opponent, not the prettiest game but effective, i don't know why people act like she can't play:confused: Anyway, good luck in the SF Ju, you'll need it.

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:50 PM
:lol:Kudos to Carlos for telling Justin to take that injury time out in the 2nd set. She turned things around after that. :yeah:


Indeed. Was a great way to break Caro's rhythm. Won her the match. If Caro had done something similar, she would have been slaughtered on here instead of praised :lol:

It was great to see Caro force such a great player like Henin to resort to such lowly measures in order to pull out the win.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:51 PM
I'm not sure what you were watching because her backhand was the crucial shot, especially the cross-court one. It was certainly the better shot today. She has on average better depth on her bh than the fh. The fh is just hit and miss, and she's able to generate more power on it when she's lining it up, but even then, she missed so many mid court balls of it.

I can address the same question to you. Her backhand was dusted by Wozniacki in the first set and would never recover. Yes, Justine hit an awful lot of errors from her forehand but she also hit an awful lot of winners from that side whereas her backhand was MIA till the very end. It was a string of her forehand winners towards the end of the second set that decided the match in Henin's favor.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:52 PM
Caro should not play Poland. She needs that time between Madrid and the FO.
But at her age, she plays as much as she wants.

I remember Lansdorp being at the Davenport 60 60 win at IW and going ballistic at Maria playing too much

debby
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:56 PM
:lol:

Indeed. Was a great way to break Caro's rhythm. Won her the match. If Caro had done something similar, she would have been slaughtered on here instead of praised :lol:

It was great to see Caro force such a great player like Henin to resort to such lowly measures in order to pull out the win.

Oh yeah? Please Justine took these MTO when she has JUST won her serve games, not when Wozniacki has just won games. FFS :rolleyes:

Apoleb
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:57 PM
I can address the same question to you. Her backhand was dusted by Wozniacki in the first set and would never recover. Yes, Justine hit an awful lot of errors from her forehand but she also hit an awful lot of winners from that side whereas her backhand was MIA till the very end. It was a string of her forehand winners towards the end of the second set that decided the match in Henin's favor.

Yeah, we were probably watching different matches, cause my perspective is completely different.

When she was getting "forced" into rallies, her forehands were bouncing near the service lines, despite the amount of effort she seems to put in it. And because she was so intent on hitting it "hard", she did not bother to construct points with it by creating angles. It was effective when she was able to punish Woz's second serve and take advantage of some short balls. Even then it was woefully inconsistent.

The backhand on the other hand lands consistently closer to the baseline than the service line with an excellent weight of shot on it. Plus, the cross-court was killer in getting Push out of the court, and was Justine's strongest weapon today. Even the DTL seemed to work reasonably well for her, and opened up many of her forehand winners. She will always hit more forehand winners than backhand winners.

There's no question in my mind which is her better shot.

Ellery
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:00 PM
Juju :help: Hot mess :o

But you won :inlove: :hearts:

cecilija
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:01 PM
I can address the same question to you. Her backhand was dusted by Wozniacki in the first set and would never recover. Yes, Justine hit an awful lot of errors from her forehand but she also hit an awful lot of winners from that side whereas her backhand was MIA till the very end. It was a string of her forehand winners towards the end of the second set that decided the match in Henin's favor.

She may not hit a bunch of outright winners off her backhand, but she constructs the majority of her points with it. And how did she save the crucial break point in the second set? Yep, with the bh down the line as she usually does.

It's true that it can be a liability on return and when she doesn't have the time to set it up (due to her swing), but it's still her better and more reliable shot.

Apoleb summed it up much better than me :yeah:

cecilija
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:04 PM
Yeah, we were probably watching different matches, cause my perspective is completely different.

When she was getting "forced" into rallies, her forehands were bouncing near the service lines, despite the amount of effort she seems to put in it. And because she was so intent on hitting it "hard", she did not bother to construct points with it by creating angles. It was effective when she was able to punish Woz's second serve and take advantage of some short balls. Even then it was woefully inconsistent.

The backhand on the other hand lands consistently closer to the baseline than the service line with an excellent weight of shot on it. Plus, the cross-court was killer in getting Push out of the court, and was Justine's strongest weapon today. Even the DTL seemed to work reasonably well for her, and opened up many of her forehand winners. She will always hit more forehand winners than backhand winners.

There's no question in my mind which is her better shot.

She was also successful with her slice bh, not sure why she didn't use it more.

Lady
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:11 PM
I told you it wouldn’t be a walk in the park for Justine.
Wozniacki played exactly like she should have for a set and a half : after shaky start she began to execute her classic high percentage tennis hitting rather deep and throwing in occasional moonballs. It didn't take long for her to completely break down Henin’s backhand.
I know, many praise Wozniacki for her supposed “mental toughness” and, indeed, unlike the notorious Russian chokers she didn’t shit her pants only because the evil witch happened to ‘Alllez!’ at her from the other side of the net. But I really think Caro’s composure has nothing to do with aforementioned mental toughness – she doesn’t choke only because she seems never to be in position to choke as she never plays the leading role on the court. Today’s match was yet another showcase of huge limitations in her game and weaponry. As soon as Henin managed to raise her level a bit and hit several forehand winners Wozniacki was a toast – she was unable to come up with any kind of counterattack and her ever creepy forehand turned into even more criminal shot (if it was even posssible, of course) under the added pressure.
As for Henin, she was fairly disappointing throughout the whole match. I has never been a fan of her game/technique and once again saw how forced (not sure if I use the correct word here) her serve, forehand, volleys and movement are. I wouldn’t say it’s bad though cos, despite being the only “natural”part of her game, Justine’s backhand also appears to be the weaker shot in most of the matches.

P.S.
Forgot to :rolleyes: @ Henin's medical timeout.

Noone who knows Justine's game and attitude would have thought that Justine will get an easy win against Caroline.
As for the backhand part - it was her backhand that won Justine 3 of the final 4 points of the match, so how it went away after the 1st set? It actually became much more consistent in the 2nd and 3rd. Crucial break-point at 3-3 in the 2nd was also saved with her backhand. Naturally she'll have more forehand winners since it's her finishing shot, but today backhand was way more reliable and deep in the end.

I agree about the mental toughness part, that's always how I saw it. And even in the tie-break at 6-2 Caroline blew away 3 set points, if not for Justine's error the 4t may have gone the same way.

C. W. Fields
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:12 PM
I know the rules and restrictons, thank you very much.

My point being: Som people like to blame her loss on having played 6 matches in IW and the tough matches in Miami.
As a top player Caro has to expect to go deep into the draw of pretty much every tournament she enters and thus it would be logical for her to cut down the number of tournaments she enters in order to make sure that she's 100% fit (and rested) once it comes to the Slams or other big tournaments.

Let's take a quick look at her schedule.



So far, so good. Nothing out of ordinary here, nothing that makes you go "whut!?" concerning her decisions.:)

Now it gets scetchy.
After playing back-to-back tournaments she's not taking a week off, instead playing another back-to-back events.



Then. After 4 consecutuve weeks of tennis she's finally taking a week off, but only to play for another 4 consecutive weeks, with NO time in between before playing a Grand Slam!
Given her rank, her abilities (especially on clay) and the other players current form, it's pretty save to assume that Caro won't suffer any shocking early exits. She's a world class athlete and in a great physical shape, but she'll probably be burned out / overplayed by the French Open.
Doesn't look like smart scheduling for me.


I understand that she can skip neither Charleston nor Stuttgart because she isn't playing Stanford or San Diego, but why Ponte Vedra Beach and Warsaw (I know she's polish, but...)?

Don't know if she intends to play Tokyo or not, but her Clay Season is packed like she was some random journey woman, trying to make as many points as possible, but she's not.:shrug:
I wish she'd take just one or two out of her schedule. For her own good!

I'm SO in agreement with you as are many other Caro fans. She should cut down on the non-mandatory tournaments and concentrate on the big ones as befits a top 5 player. Her condition at Doha showed what a crazy schedule like hers does to the body at the end of the season.
Warsaw should definitely be off her schedule. She skipped Warsaw last year and may do so again. As for PVB it might be viewed as warm up for Charleston, getting used to the green clay. Lisicki is the only player on the list so far who should be a real challenge (Caro can't deal with her serve) so let's hope for some easy matches.

TennisFan66
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:13 PM
I know the rules and restrictons, thank you very much.

My point being: Som people like to blame her loss on having played 6 matches in IW and the tough matches in Miami.
As a top player Caro has to expect to go deep into the draw of pretty much every tournament she enters and thus it would be logical for her to cut down the number of tournaments she enters in order to make sure that she's 100% fit (and rested) once it comes to the Slams or other big tournaments.

Let's take a quick look at her schedule.



So far, so good. Nothing out of ordinary here, nothing that makes you go "whut!?" concerning her decisions.:)

Now it gets scetchy.
After playing back-to-back tournaments she's not taking a week off, instead playing another back-to-back events.



Then. After 4 consecutuve weeks of tennis she's finally taking a week off, but only to play for another 4 consecutive weeks, with NO time in between before playing a Grand Slam!
Given her rank, her abilities (especially on clay) and the other players current form, it's pretty save to assume that Caro won't suffer any shocking early exits. She's a world class athlete and in a great physical shape, but she'll probably be burned out / overplayed by the French Open.
Doesn't look like smart scheduling for me.


I understand that she can skip neither Charleston nor Stuttgart because she isn't playing Stanford or San Diego, but why Ponte Vedra Beach and Warsaw (I know she's polish, but...)?

Don't know if she intends to play Tokyo or not, but her Clay Season is packed like she was some random journey woman, trying to make as many points as possible, but she's not.:shrug:
I wish she'd take just one or two out of her schedule. For her own good!

She's defending PVB, so suppose she likes the tournament? .. She skipped New Haven, which is also a place she likes. But scheduling wouldn't allow it. She plays a new small tournament in Denmark and Warsaw has been a lot of political rumblings and all. Her grandparents are still living in Poland, so suppose that could be a factor too.

Granted, today I do think she got a bit tired in the last half of the match and with her style of play, she needs to be fit. But its not easy to anticipate you'll end up with a match called on and off, getting hot and cold and then some sort of flu/viral infection. She should really have been out in R3, but hang on to the QF instead.

Generally, IMHO its not a problem for her to play 20 tournaments or so a year. In 2009 she was simply just much more successful than they had imagined and she kept winning and playing, why she ended at 90+ matches. As you'll know, scheduling is art and not science. Players hopefully learn and get better at it; incl Caroline.

I certainly don't hope she'll be burned out for RG. Well see. Not terribly much to defend though. Final in Madrid and R3/R4 in the French. So far in 2010, she's done better or same in the first 3 bigger tournaments. Thats not too bad.

Bye. Thanks for talking. Its nice to be able to have a sensible dialogue here on TF :)

Stamp Paid
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:15 PM
I'm impressed that Caro made it this close!!!!
Well done :lol:

C. W. Fields
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:17 PM
Oh yeah? Please Justine took these MTO when she has JUST won her serve games, not when Wozniacki has just won games. FFS :rolleyes:

Of course, did you expect her to break the playing rhytm before HER OWN service game? The 'smart' player takes a MTO before an opponent service game hoping to throw her off her game and force a break.
If that's what Hening did or it was a legitimate injury I don't know, but she did breeze right to 0-40 afterwards.

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:18 PM
I'm impressed that Caro made it this close!!!!
Well done :lol:

:yeah:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:21 PM
Noone who knows Justine's game and attitude would have thought that Justine will get an easy win against Caroline.
As for the backhand part - it was her backhand that won Justine 3 of the final 4 points of the match, so how it went away after the 1st set? It actually became much more consistent in the 2nd and 3rd. Crucial break-point at 3-3 in the 2nd was also saved with her backhand. Naturally she'll have more forehand winners since it's her finishing shot, but today backhand was way more reliable and deep in the end.

More reliable and more deep? Yes. More dangerous? No way.
It's just I don't like watching top-players rallying with someone like Wozniacki. I like watching them blowing her off the court and Justine's backhand was (predictably) useless for this purpose today.

Btw, that's why I called Henin's BH her weaker, not necessarily her worse shot.

fantic
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:22 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that the match was actually decided by Caro? (her UEs) :lol:

Granted Juju was pretty dominating in her serve game, but couldn't really do much in Caro's serve game, so..

kris719
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:25 PM
nieeeeeee

Lady
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:25 PM
More reliable and more deep? Yes. More dangerous? No way.
It's just I don't like watching top-players rallying with someone like Wozniacki. I like watching them blowing her off the court and Justine's backhand was (predictably) useless for this purpose today.

Yes, I get that you like different style of play. Justine will never be able to blow someone off the court consistently. Million errors from her forehand proved it. Unless she has a really really ON day.

Obviously it's part of the reason why you don't like her or her game, so why expect it from her? You can always put your hopes on Serena, Kim, even Na Li this year.
Although I read somewhere that even Serena was forced to 3 sets by Caro? Or was it wrong information?

Btw, that's why I called Henin's BH her weaker, not necessarily her worse shot.

Then yes, I would agree with you in that context.

I personally love her forehand more then her backhand for the very same reason.

debby
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:26 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that the match was actually decided by Caro? (her UEs) :lol:

Granted Juju was pretty dominating in her serve game, but couldn't really do much in Caro's serve game, so..

Have you watched the match? :unsure:

Anyway the stats speak for themselves :
50 winners Juju
52 UES Juju

21 w
32 UES

something like that

RenaSlam.
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:29 PM
:tape:

cn ireland
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:29 PM
Good effort from Caro, I knew she'd make the match competitive, its just a shame she couldn't get the win!

Ju's backhand
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:30 PM
52 winners :worship:

Apoleb
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:31 PM
Yes, I get that you like different style of play. Justine will never be able to blow someone off the court consistently. Million errors from her forehand proved it. Unless she has a really really ON day.

Obviously it's part of the reason why you don't like her or her game, so why expect it from her? You can always put your hopes on Serena, Kim, even Na Li this year.
Although I read somewhere that even Serena was forced to 3 sets by Caro? Or was it wrong information?

Her tactical approach of trying to blow off Woz off the court was wrong imo. Yeah, I know that's the game she wants to play, but given her abilities and form, it's not the optimal way for her to play Woz. She should be more patient, play consistently to the Woz forehand and work the rallys out from there by taking the ball early and creating angles. But we should cut her some slack, cause it's her first time she played her, and I think it will be easier from now on.

And this "backhand is weaker" nonsense, if she's not being given a short ball or an easy put away, the backhand will do far more damage 8 times out of 10.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:31 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that the match was actually decided by Caro? (her UEs) :lol:

I think I have watched a grand total of one match that could have been decided by Caro's UEs. That was the infamous moonball fest vs Dushevina at Roland Garros. But since it's impossible to play worse than Dushevina, Wozniacki eventually won the match.

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:35 PM
How many winners did the Woz have compared to Henin's UE??
I think I heard the commentator say that Woz had 3 outright winners in the second set

Lady
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:37 PM
Her tactical approach of trying to blow off Woz off the court was wrong imo. Yeah, I know that's the game she wants to play, but given her abilities and form, it's not the optimal way for her to play Woz. She should be more patient, play consistently to the Woz forehand and work the rallys out from there by taking the ball early and creating angles. But we should cut her some slack, cause it's her first time she played her, and I think it will be easier from now on.

And this "backhand is weaker" nonsense, if she's not being given a short ball or an easy put away, the backhand will do far more damage 8 times out of 10.

If her goal was to win Miami, then yes, it's probably not the best tactic.
As far as I know and hope her goal is to win Slams especially Wimbledon, and if she want to do that then she needs to get back her consistency and timing on aggressive shots. And that means practicing forehand winners for me, even if it costs her matches in Miami, IW or any other non-slam tourney.
So yes, I'm one of those rare fans who supports Justine's aggressive mind-set, even if it brings the ugly that was half of this match.
I may be proven wrong later, but right now it is what it is.

Lady
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:38 PM
How many winners did the Woz have compared to Henin's UE??
I think I heard the commentator say that Woz had 3 outright winners in the second set

2 or 3, yes.

Loudman
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:40 PM
Oh my what's wrong with Justine, she should train on the moonballs the next time because this looked like amateur tennis.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:41 PM
How many winners did the Woz have compared to Henin's UE??
I think I heard the commentator say that Woz had 3 outright winners in the second set

3, yes. 11 in the first set. 8-10 (?) in the 3rd.
Justine had 27 UEs in the 1st set and 50(?) overall.

Buitenzorg
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:43 PM
Henin :)

Vaidisova Ruled
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:44 PM
I don't completly understand the caro hate. Yes, maybe she shouldn't be #2, and yes, she is not that interesting. But I didn't thought that she was THAT boring during this match. I thought that she would be pushing all the time, but there were some interesting things. I like to watch her when she plays top players. However, when she plays some non top players, I agree, it's really boring

I thought that she would lose 62 63, so I was surprised.

Justine wasn't impressive at all. At times, it was kinda painful to watch. If she wants to win a slam, she will have to play better. Not sure if that new game really suits her.

Ju's backhand
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:45 PM
Oh my what's wrong with Justine, she should train on the moonballs the next time because this looked like amateur tennis.

Well moonballing is not tennis :shrug:

Ramos
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:45 PM
This kind of scoreline was actually more to be expected than the 6-2 6-0 nonsense some were predicting. Henin never played Wozniacki, she might have played similar players but not someone as extreme and effective in the style she chooses to play, because i do believe she actually chooses it. So that first set, set and a half, was not that surprising. I'm pretty sure if they play again, and that probably will happen sooner or later, the scoreline might be a bit harsher.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:47 PM
I think I have watched a grand total of one match that could have been decided by Caro's UEs. That was the infamous moonball fest vs Dushevina at Roland Garros. But since it's impossible to play worse than Dushevina, Wozniacki eventually won the match.

:sobbing: Laughing so hard but it's true.. and i like Dushevina

friendsita
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:48 PM
thanks juju!

BluSthil
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:51 PM
awful play from Caro in last two sets but Henin was just too good in the final set :worship:
In order to beat Caroline, you must play very well. It wasn't pretty for awhile, but Justine got it together and prevailed. With her next match, she better get out of the blocks quick (a little track lingo) and race to the finish line...

DragonFlame
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:57 PM
Glad she turned it around... Had to go to friends, so i only saw the first set. In which justine was utterly hopeless IMO.

I think that point where she screamed 'allez' not knowing wozniacki would obviously get to that ball sums it up. I feel like she wasn't well prepared and informed for this match. Some very idiotic decisions in the first set and mediocre play.

Anyway, assesing justine's game. The serve% went DOWN. It was exactly how it used to be. So that's disappointing. :( She was missing way too many halfcourt balls, smashes, volleys as well from what i saw in the first set.

Wozniacki played great, did really well to hang in there and turn that set around.


Overall disappointment for me, justine SHOULD win this in 2 sets. A win is a win though, turn it around against Kim... :o

Vamos Feńa
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:59 PM
I think I have watched a grand total of one match that could have been decided by Caro's UEs. That was the infamous moonball fest vs Dushevina at Roland Garros. But since it's impossible to play worse than Dushevina, Wozniacki eventually won the match.

Umm... Have you seen Dokic playing this year?


Well done to Caro. I left at 3:3 in 2nd feeling Caro'd win it as Justine was kinda slow and hopeless. But since she had her another "I'm losing, so I must be seriosuly injured" thing I'm not surprised that the score looks like that.

About pushing, isn't it better to see players hitting balls over the net instead of dumping simple returns into net or fence? It's much entertaining. Whateva I guess the pusher vs ballbashing discussion is as pointless as "are gay people normal or not", "is euthanasia good" and stuff like that...

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:05 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that the match was actually decided by Caro? (her UEs) :lol:

Granted Juju was pretty dominating in her serve game, but couldn't really do much in Caro's serve game, so..

Again, it's all just a matter of perspective.

The only thing we can all agree on is that this match was fairly close.

TheAllan
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:06 PM
Wozniacki's second serve was too much of a liability, while the forehand again was a major letdown. It usually holds up for a while, but when she really comes under pressure and she starts to tire a little, it produces a critical number of errors that she simply cannot afford with her style of play. At least against players of Justine's caliber. The flaws in her net game don't exactly help her either, but they are not as costly as the forehand. Aside from the lost points, which is bad enough in itself, it also gives a real psychological boost to her opponents when she starts giving away relatively easy points.

madlove
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:09 PM
great win juju! im expecting an all-belgian match next!

fantic
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:10 PM
Sharapova almost lost to Dushevina at IW... :lol: Masha's serve was as always dreadful..she did gear up and fire winners later

on.. I had such pity on Dushevina, the crowds were unanimously rooting for Masha :sobbing:

mdterp01
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:27 PM
YES JUSTINE!!!! I have to admit that Wozzy played it better than I thought but Justine should've won that in straights!! You go girl!!! The old are whipping up on the young and restoring order from these PRETENDERS!!! Allez!!!!

The Daviator
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:29 PM
I thought, according to all the 'experts' on here, that Caro would lose 26 26?

Great effort Caro, keep working hard :yeah:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:49 PM
Disapointing result for Henin

Roookie
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:51 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/s5juhe.gif ALLEZ!!!


Dropped just 12 points in 10 service games in the second and third sets combined. She snagged one break per set and served it out at love, winning three of the four points on winners - including a huge backhand on match point :drool:.

Henin, a former No.1, improved to an amazing 21-17 lifetime against Top 2 players :eek:. The Belgian is now No.33, but will move into the 20s afterwards :dance:.

is1531
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:53 PM
From the very start of the match until halfway into the 2nd set,Henin's strategy was a disaster. She was was like a stubborn mule. She had to know going into the match that Wozniacki is very vulnerable using her forehand, yet for the first set and a half, Henin chooses to hit into the teeth of Wozniacki's game, which is hitting crosscourt to Wozniacki's 2 hand backhand. Henin would not let go until it was around 3-3 in the 2nd set. Previous history would show, if she had watched the Martinez Sanchez match last year against Wozniacki, that she is vulnerable to drop shots and be set up very easily by slicing the ball.

Henin had 27 errors in the ist set, but what was so disturbing was; how many shots she was hitting into the net. I thought for a period of time she was a player that was 5ft 2", instead of a player that is 5ft 6".

I will give Wozniacki credit for running down 4 balls in the first 2 sets that should have been winners, but Wozniacki not only found a way to track down the ball, but managed to hit the ball deep past the baseline. It's nice when your 5ft 10", which allows a player to drive a tennis ball with so much depth unlike a short player, who does not see the court like a tall player and is unable to drive the ball.

When it was all said and done, I was happy Henin won, since I was rooting for her, but next time, don't be so stubborn. When you play Wozniacki make her beat you with her forehand

ivanban
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:01 PM
Justin with only 4 tournaments played will be better ranked than, for example, Hantuchova with 24 tournaments :tape:

cogent53
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:02 PM
Justine was very very patchy today. Some superb play but some awful errors. Trying to outhit Wozniacki down the middle of the court was always going to be hard. Why didn't she use the angles more? Caroline is less solid on the move. I was actually very impressed with Caro's resilience until she ran out of steam in the 3rd and Justine upped it a bit. Yes, the winners were few - as usual - but of the young players, I think she is one of the best tactical players.

It's interesting that there really hasn't been anyone making the breakthrough of the youngsters. Remember 19 year old Steffi or Venus and Serena? Or Hingis, Capriati, Seles, Sharapova and even young Sveta winning the US. (Not counting Ivanovic winning RG as, what 19 or 20, in the post-Justine RG)
Where are the youngsters terrifying the established players? Azarenka is a headcase, Lisicki can't keep fit or consistent, Wickmeyer is all raw power and little tactics. Wozniacki is the most consistent of the bunch and I hope she can add a bit to her game but they aren't really threatening the established players.

Anyway, Henin will need to up her game to beat Kim (hopefully if she doesn't slip against Sam) and probably Venus (who is surely unlikely to lose to Bartoli). I think a Henin/Williams final is what I'd love to see. Justine must cut out the errors and get her forehand under control.

hankqq
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:04 PM
Well, a good showing from Wozniacki :shrug: She gave Henin her toughest match so far at this tournament, despite some here feeling she would be easier to beat than Dementieva and Zvonareva :shrug:

Just finished watching the match on tape. I think Caro felt nervous after failing to get the break at 3-3 in the 2nd set, and Henin turned up her level of play until the end of the match.

kiwialicat
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:04 PM
Again, it's all just a matter of perspective.

The only thing we can all agree on is that this match was fairly close.

Sorry, I don't think we can even agree that is was close, at least I can't. I mean, I wouldn't exactly call 63, 64 close.

To be honest Justine was total crap in the first set and a half and a better opponent would have taken far better advantage of it and really punished her for it. Once she actually started to play a bit better, Caro wasn't really in it.

Huntress55
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:05 PM
Caro :sad:

Great effort though. :hug:

danieln1
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:22 PM
:vomit:

Ryan
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:26 PM
Sorry, I don't think we can even agree that is was close, at least I can't. I mean, I wouldn't exactly call 63, 64 close.

To be honest Justine was total crap in the first set and a half and a better opponent would have taken far better advantage of it and really punished her for it. Once she actually started to play a bit better, Caro wasn't really in it.



You have less than 1000 posts, so we won't take you seriously. :D



I'm really impressed with the score. Justine did play bad in patches, but Caro's game clearly frustrated her and forced a lot of those errors. I was happy with Caro's fighting ability and strategy against Henin, but she needs to clean up her second serve abit and work on the forehand. Good showing for Caro, GL to Justine in the semis. :yeah:

The Dawntreader
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:26 PM
Ugly, ugly tennis.

Justine's timing was inexplicably off for nearly two whole sets, which is remarkable really. You expect her forehand to fluctuate due to the maassive rotational work, but not her backhand for such a consistent period of time. AnnaK is right about Wozniacki's heavy, loopy balls troubling Henin and provoked her into having to hid ridiculously low% drives, and thus her rythm was shot. Her forehand ws undoubtedly aggressive and purposeful, trying to take the baseline away from Wozniacki, but it couldn't compensate for her errant backhand. As soon as they began to merge and co-operate, Henin looked a totally different player, able to generate masses of pace at will, and completely exploit Wozniacki's lack of real depth, placement and technique (especially off the forehand). Even Jo Durie (who's hardly miss perceptive), commented that her forehand lacks any kind of leverage.

Wozniacki to her credit tried to play against type, but of course couldn't find the courage nor the timing to do this consistently. I was actually suprised how well Wozniacki was opening up the court with her backhand without 1222356 shots beforehand. She actually had the intuition to lob Henin quite a few times, which i am SO suprised noone seemes to dare use against Henin ( she's 5'5, and will always struggle to be offensive off high lobs), and try and engage in some net-play. A correct appproach, but it was palpable that in some instances she just doesn't have the fundamental technique to deliver. There were some mid-court forehands that were begging to be put away, but her contorted forehand grip was unable to oblige. She soon found it more comfortable to slip into her heavy, loopathon with Heninthat actually worked, considering Henin was faltering so much. Of course, it was undone as soon as Justine was able to start finding some accuracy.

Henin has work to do.

Dunlop1
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:26 PM
:vomit:

Yeah I would be bitter and vomiting if I were a fan of Ana as well :hug:

G1Player2
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:32 PM
Justine hit over 50 UE's. :eek: But, that was expected. Wozniacki was keeping the ball high and deep especially in the 1st and 2nd sets and close to the lines. Justine tried to generate her own pace. If Caro played someone like Venus today and directed alot of those mid paced yet deep balls to a Venus forehand, things would have been as ugly as they were today.

The UE's weren't that surprising though since Serena hit close to 60UE's when she beat Caro 7-6 in the 3rd set last year.

But, the weight of Caro's shot started to loosen up and Justine started attacking. Caro's 2nd serve was terrible in that final set as well. But, Justine did well to keep those points shorter in that final set and not slugging from the baseline otherwise she would have lost. Most of those long points in the 1st set ended with Justine hitting an error.

cogent53
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:45 PM
Frivolous point, but I hate that pink outfit!! Justine, go back to the very nice dark blue one you returned in! I have her in it as my wallpaper and it's much nicer!

Mightymirza
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:55 PM
That serve was veryyyy :scary: throughout the match.. Hope Ju can sort it out :o

Just Do It
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:56 PM
:woohoo:

kman
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:56 PM
Sorry, I don't think we can even agree that is was close, at least I can't. I mean, I wouldn't exactly call 63, 64 close.

To be honest Justine was total crap in the first set and a half and a better opponent would have taken far better advantage of it and really punished her for it. Once she actually started to play a bit better, Caro wasn't really in it.

Caro won first set. Caro had break point for 4-3 in second set. And third set ended 6-4 which is only one break difference.

And I said "fairly close"

I'm not saying it was a 76 67 67 thriller.

Martian KC
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:04 AM
I don't care how she played, as long as she beat pushniacki! :lol:

Cakeisgood
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:06 AM
P.s. I totally called Woz giving JuJu issues like a long time ago :)

Patrick345
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:09 AM
The world #2, up a set, losing to an unseeded player. Disgusting. :awww:












:p

kman
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:12 AM
The world #2, up a set, losing to an unseeded player. Disgusting. :awww:












:p

WC = World Champion

You thought it stood for WildCard or Water Closet (toilet) or something? :lol:

M.P
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:20 AM
Caro :sobbing: after i gone you lost..:sobbing:

oleada
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:33 AM
I don't care about the score, Juju beat that pusher and that's all that matters. :P

Tennis Ball
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:49 AM
Caroline proved that she can easily hang with Henin and that her "moonballs" are highly effective against Henin. Deal with it. This wasn't the beatdown you were praying for.

We don't have to wait very long for that to happen. :p You deal with it, you know Ju is still rusty, the Woz just got very lucky today.

Jajaloo
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:03 AM
Caro got a set! :inlove:

Cabomba
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:06 AM
Congrats to Justine!!! I'm so glad that she won!

Haters, just go away! Stop coming up with the outdated excuses...why not just give credits to both players who have fought mentally and physically in the battle?

fantic
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:20 AM
Have you watched the match? :unsure:

Anyway the stats speak for themselves :
50 winners Juju
52 UES Juju

21 w
32 UES

something like that

Yes, I thought THAT stat was the most telling. Woz committed some ridiculous errors in the

latter two sets. Who knows, Woz could've won the match.

iPatty
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:31 AM
Henin is becoming unwatchable. It's painful to watch her miss the most random balls that she never would have missed before retiring and her game just looks labored and forced overall. Maybe things will be different on the clay where she has always looked so unbelievably natural.

PLP
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:06 AM
Congrats to Justine!!! I'm so glad that she won!

Haters, just go away! Stop coming up with the outdated excuses...why not just give credits to both players who have fought mentally and physically in the battle?
Agreed!

I knew Caro would give JuJu fits, and she did, her game was always going to be challenging for Justine. I am proud of Justine for a well-deserved win and Happy for Caroline that she fought it out as best she could on the day, end of.
:worship:

saul1333
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:08 AM
Good stuff Justine..finished very strong :yeah:

AcesHigh
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:19 AM
Henin is becoming unwatchable. It's painful to watch her miss the most random balls that she never would have missed before retiring and her game just looks labored and forced overall. Maybe things will be different on the clay where she has always looked so unbelievably natural.

Her game does look forced. However, when it clicks it is still really beautiful. This match hopefully is an aberration and as the season continues, things will smooth out. We must remember this is just her fourth tournament back and she's still in the process of adjusting.

shap_half
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:23 AM
Her game does look forced. However, when it clicks it is still really beautiful. This match hopefully is an aberration and as the season continues, things will smooth out. We must remember this is just her fourth tournament back and she's still in the process of adjusting.

This is also the first time Justine has had to play Caroline so I'm not shocked it took her a while to find her range. I thought the way her game flowed in the end of that third set was great.

Arnian
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:24 AM
Henin is becoming unwatchable. It's painful to watch her miss the most random balls that she never would have missed before retiring and her game just looks labored and forced overall. Maybe things will be different on the clay where she has always looked so unbelievably natural.

She looked extremely naturaly against Vera and throughout this tournament. She just had a rough/bad day at the office.
It is getting better though.

Larrybidd
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:07 AM
I really like and respect Caro's game. She is not a fluke and really knows haw to play the game for her age. I didn't understand people complaints about her "moonballing". From what i saw Caro hit "moonballs" when she was stretched out wide and needed time to get back into the points. A wonderful tactic and it sure beats trying a crazy, low percentage shot from a bad position. I have really reached a new low of respect for some of you supposed fans on this forum who heap scorn on this girl. If this girl is a "pusher", than so was Hingis. This girl can play, and has earned respect. Bartoli too, btw.

InsideOut.
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:49 AM
I thought Wozniacki really did play well. A bit more aggressive than usual, and her moonballing was truly useful. Pushed Justine far behind the baseline and made her impatient and frustrated.

Daniel
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:55 AM
Justine ;)

bandabou
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:40 AM
Way tougher than I expected!

bandabou
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:52 AM
Juju's game is going the wrong direction. The way she's playing should be called mindless bashing...because it's a style that WON'T work for her.

Juanes
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:30 AM
honestly i expected this... ;)

Henin is still better player.... :)

Marionated
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:59 AM
Too much ball bashing Justine :help:

TennisFan66
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:05 AM
We don't have to wait very long for that to happen. :p You deal with it, you know Ju is still rusty, the Woz just got very lucky today.

Yes Caro is lucky. I've read it quite a few times on TF. Whenever Caro wins a match, she's lucky, its a fluke, the other player played the worst match of her career.

And of course Caro also being lucky when she loses. I suppose, the only time Caro isn't 'lucky' is if she is double bagled? I could have sworn I saw a match where Caro was actually a bit 'unlucky', but credit to Henin for playing big points very well from the BP at 3-3 in 2nd.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

kiwialicat
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:23 AM
You have less than 1000 posts, so we won't take you seriously. :D

If I spam you a thousand times, will you then take me seriously? :lol: We all have to start somewhere. :D

kiwialicat
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:24 AM
Frivolous point, but I hate that pink outfit!! Justine, go back to the very nice dark blue one you returned in! I have her in it as my wallpaper and it's much nicer!

I hate the pink too! It's kinda cute but too much. Maybe go a lighter shade? Or return to the blue, I like the blue as well. :)

kiwialicat
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:28 AM
Caro won first set. Caro had break point for 4-3 in second set. And third set ended 6-4 which is only one break difference.

And I said "fairly close"

I'm not saying it was a 76 67 67 thriller.

Okay, I watched the match again. Or at least the last two sets. And it did seem a bit closer than I previously thought. But I also think it's fairly obvious that if Henin hadn't been so awful in the first set than she would have wrapped it up fairly easily, no matter how much Caro fought.

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:18 AM
If these 2 players play the same style on red clay, I would expect Caro to win.
It will be interesting to see if Justine is this aggressive on clay

Rosslyn
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:23 AM
some delusional Caro fans here...Henin hit 50 UEs and still won, that says it all...next time it won't take 3 sets...and if Caro continue with this style of play, she will have injury problems just like Rafa

Rosslyn
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:27 AM
If these 2 players play the same style on red clay, I would expect Caro to win.
It will be interesting to see if Justine is this aggressive on clay

you always expect Justine to lose - dementieva, zvonareva, wozniacki - they all went home. it's not about form or style of play - it's about winning mentality, and henin has more of that, than those 3 players together

justine schnyder
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:28 AM
Wow! :hearts:
Good match.. Well done Justine!! :hearts:
good luck in the sf!!

skanky~skanketta
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:36 AM
If these 2 players play the same style on red clay, I would expect Caro to win.
It will be interesting to see if Justine is this aggressive on clay

On clay? Really? I like Caroline and all, but on clay no way Justine is losing to Caroline regardless of her style of play. Her movement and style on clay is just a whole lot better than Caroline's.

That said, stranger things have happened.

Jorn
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:42 AM
It was a great first set Caro played! She held her nerve and won the tb from 6-2 -> 7-5! But after she lost the 2 bps at 3-3 she got tired ithink and Henin played better in last set. But Caro before playing sick and she was happy to be in the QF and defends her No. 2 spot in the Rankings.

Helaena
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:43 AM
yay justine :yeah:
i was frustrated in the first set but glad you turn it around ;)

and for caro, well that was a good challenge for ju and mad respect for her for making ju run for her money :kiss:

Helaena
Apr 1st, 2010, 10:44 AM
It was a great first set Caro played! She held her nerve and won the tb from 6-2 -> 7-5! But after she lost the 2 bps at 3-3 she got tired ithink and Henin played better in last set. But Caro before playing sick and she was happy to be in the QF and defends her No. 2 spot in the Rankings.

:rolleyes:

Jorn
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:12 AM
Caro was not sick vs Justine, but in her 3. and 4. round matches ;)

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:15 AM
She played a ton of tennis before this match.
Then the 1st set was grueling. That might have affected the result of the match.
I said before Miami that losing early or not playing IW is an advantage in Miami.
That is what's left. Players who were fresh coming into this.

Caro has to be careful of her schedule. She is getting better and better, and has to take more weeks off.

I think she will become #1, but she has to think long term and not overplay.

Lord Choc Ice
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:40 AM
She played a ton of tennis before this match.
Then the 1st set was grueling. That might have affected the result of the match.
I said before Miami that losing early or not playing IW is an advantage in Miami.
That is what's left. Players who were fresh coming into this.

Caro has to be careful of her schedule. She is getting better and better, and has to take more weeks off.

I think she will become #1, but she has to think long term and not overplay.
No chance of that in the clay season. She's playing pretty much every week according to her schedule.

MaBaker
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:21 PM
Play better Justine.

Wozniacki out :)

HowardH
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:40 PM
What we saw here was a rather interesting matchup between a defensive/consistency based grinder and an aggressive strike player. Matches with grinders are often not that interesting unless they come up against an attacking player, and then it becomes very very interesting to watch.

Caro did quite well handling the fast rushing pace of Justine's early balls. Justine was attacking her right away in every point, from the return to serve, and Caro did better than most would have done. She was, however, forced to hit harder than her comfort zone in order to prevent being completely overwhelmed by Justine's attacks. Justine's return of serve in particular was very aggressive and was bothering Caro a great deal.

Justine did not play particularly well, but since she was the active one making all the choices in point development, the match was in her hands. She obviously wanted to have the match entirely in her hands, so that it was just down to her own execution. In this kind of match up, so long as the strike player makes successful attacks slightly more than half the time, they will win. And Justine did just that. She was rushing her attacks and at certain moments seemed to rush herself into errors or even outposition herself. Playing this style will tend to increase not only your own winners but also the opponents, since you take risks from out of court positions and sometimes find yourself stranded. But it was just enough. Caro has shown that she is a pretty tough opponent for the wta players. She puts the ball into the court reasonably deep, sometimes loopy, mostly crosscourt but sometimes up the middle, and asks the opponent: try to hit the winner more times than you miss. If you are good enough- and Justine was just good enough today- then you will win. Most of the wta is not good enough to pass the Wozniacki test however, and it's not that surprising since Justine's B game was only barely enough, and her B game is much better than most of the tour.

Caro is proving to be a very tough, but fair test on the tour. I liken matches with her to a competition of making more money. Two players are each given a sum of money, the challenge is to make as much money as possible with it in a year. Caro takes the money to the bank and gets a good interest rate. There's a limit to how much she can make, but she's setting a decently tough mark to surpass. An opponent who takes calculated business risks and makes smart choices will be able to beat her, but most people don't seem to be able to do it. In fact it seems that many of the current wta players, when given the opportunity, will self destruct and do the tennis equivalent of losing money instead of making it in their ventures. Today JH took huge risks, almost went bankrupt, and then got it together and beat her.

Third set was pretty solid though, Justine was holding very strongly and Caro's chance of winning went down to almost zero. One thing that changed during the match was the way Justine was timing the backhand. Justine has an excellent backhand, but sometimes the production becomes inconsistent- the swing path is not always smooth and it can become a quick and jerky push rather than the smooth whip it should be. Her head jerking down and the follow through shortening is usually a sign she is not positioning herself quite properly and tends to cause needless errors- for instance, like the one that ended the first set. On the forehand, there were times when Justine succumbed to her tendency to muscle the ball too much instead of freely swinging and lost control. Towards the end however, Justine was swinging smoother on both wings and timing the ball in front.

I expect Justine to play a little calmer against Caro next time. She was obviously very amped up to beat her, and although this helped her play with a lot of energy, it was affecting her decision making. Quite a few times when Justine should have gone up the line near the net, she went cross court to where Caro was still waiting. And the premature "allez" was another sign of being a little too amped up to make calm decisions. So I think next time they meet Justine will play calmer, better, and win a little more solidly.

rucolo
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:41 PM
Expected outcome.

Caroline did better than I thought she would.:)

Enjoyed watching this match until middle of set 2.

Some great points from Caro:
Henin 3-2, 15-30
Henin 3-3, 30-30
Henin 4-4, 30-15
Henin 6-7, 2-1, 40-30
Henin 6-7, 6-3, 0-0

Eva Asderaki:bowdown:
"Allez" from Henin was too early!:lol:

No comment about Henin`s fake injury time-out in 2nd set.
She played like nothing was wrong.

Match took nearly 3 hours!

Now Henin will kill Clijsters - like always in big tournaments.

Steff_forever
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:02 PM
I really like and respect Caro's game. She is not a fluke and really knows haw to play the game for her age. I didn't understand people complaints about her "moonballing". From what i saw Caro hit "moonballs" when she was stretched out wide and needed time to get back into the points. A wonderful tactic and it sure beats trying a crazy, low percentage shot from a bad position. I have really reached a new low of respect for some of you supposed fans on this forum who heap scorn on this girl. If this girl is a "pusher", than so was Hingis. This girl can play, and has earned respect. Bartoli too, btw.
:yeah:
No word to add. Straight and true.