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Serena y Monica
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:23 PM
Is it too early to tell if Roger and even Rafa are morphing into Serena...Show up during tour events...try but don't knock urself out and then turn it on at the slams?

SerenaSlam
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:29 PM
i am a firm believer that you grow up wanting to play tennis and win the slams. eventually you start to win the tournies and the next step is the slams. you have a priority. like venus and serena said. they always dreamed winning wimbledon and the usopen. not marabella and dubai for example. so therefore i feel players get to a certain point in their careers where certain things become priority. and the slams for these particular ones are whats important and what counts.

faboozadoo15
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:32 PM
I think Federer gets beaten more in regular events than is majors because it's damn near impossible to win a 5 sets match against him. The shite players he loses to outside of majors couldn't maintain that level in a longer match.

And yes, his motivation is different. But it's not like he's tanking the masters series matches. He's losing highly competitive ones.

volta
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:32 PM
This thread is about to get ugly *Get's popcorn*

tennnisfannn
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:36 PM
seriously when you have won as many tournies as federer has, what is one more/ does not havethe same satisfaction. It is only slams that count from now on.

SerenaSlam
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:36 PM
don't speak that!! i think its a good thread. apart from all the other BS threads. its a good question. drama is only what you make it. now go put that popcorn up! lol

HassanAli
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:37 PM
And yes, his motivation is different. But it's not like he's tanking the masters series matches. He's losing highly competitive ones.
True, he absolutely can't stand losing. Especially to lesser tennis souls like Berdych.

BlameSerena
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:38 PM
Well someone wrote an article on this a while back, and everyone who was in agreement...that maybe Rog is not putting his best foot forward outside of slams...was blasted for even comparing him to Serena in that regard so good luck with this thread. :lol:

friendsita
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:41 PM
seriously when you have won as many tournies as federer has, what is one more/ does not havethe same satisfaction. It is only slams that count from now on.

Since I started to follow Serena it seems to me like she only cares about slams & miami

Serena y Monica
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:53 PM
I don't think it's a matter of either player not putting their best foot forward...cause I don't think it concious. It's not like they stop trying...but their focus isn't the same and the will isn't a strong because the prize just isn't the same. They are not playing for money or titles although I'm sure those things are nice...they are playing for slams.

SerenaSlam
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:56 PM
Well someone wrote an article on this a while back, and everyone who was in agreement...that maybe Rog is not putting his best foot forward outside of slams...was blasted for even comparing him to Serena in that regard so good luck with this thread. :lol:

and u mentioning that is going to help the thread? lmao. def not! but i don't think the thread is going to get like that. drama is only what you allow it to be what you feed into and what you respond to. if it can be prevented the thread wont get to that point. unlike all the others. so fyi people....

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:15 PM
Obviously Federer shows his best at the slams....just like Serena. Its so weird that people freak out when Serena does it but when Rog does it, its ok. Weird

SerenaSlam
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:19 PM
Obviously Federer shows his best at the slams....just like Serena. Its so weird that people freak out when Serena does it but when Rog does it, its ok. Weird

i think the main issue that people have with the williams sisters is the fact that they are unorthodox they do things THEIR way and not the way it has been done down the years. people are not used to it and therefore "judge" based off of that instead of tolerating or accepting a change....

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:27 PM
True, he absolutely can't stand losing. Especially to lesser tennis souls like Berdych.


you think serena likes losing??? there comes a point in careers that are successful as these two, and at their respective ages, where they just don't want to lose, but don't put as much into winning other titles as they once did...but then again i forgot saint federer and sinnerena shant be mentioned in the same breath....

SerenaSlam
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:35 PM
you think serena likes losing??? there comes a point in careers that are successful as these two, and at their respective ages, where they just don't want to lose, but don't put as much into winning other titles as they once did...but then again i forgot saint federer and sinnerena shant be mentioned in the same breath....

im soooo confused as to why you are assuming he thinks serena likes losing? like you just went off on a deep in for no reason and mentioning saint federer and sinnerena etc was why? you are translating peoples opinion as negative and shouldn't. you may want to try and re-respond to it based of an "open" mind. something your "fav player" serena has...just an fyi

propi
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:37 PM
Nadal comparison here is pretty bold... :o
He always hates to lose and gives 100 % no matter the tournamet unless he's injured or so, why on earth did he played WTF last year?? He could have pulled out but he preferred to play (and lose badly) the 3 matches.
He played his heart out in two Rome finals where he won saving match points in consecutive years vs. Cañas and Federer, he stayed 4 hours on court vs. Novak last year in Madrid semis when the more practical thing was pulled out as he virtually had no chances in the final after such an effort... and none of these are GS.
Why does he keep on playing (and winning) Monte Carlo or Barcelona
Like people on MTF says, he's a Spartan :p
Finally the importance of each tournament depends on the player, Anglo saxon players usually don't give a sh*t about Roland Garros despite its importance but for Hispanic players winning in Paris is the climax of a tennis career ;)

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:39 PM
This thread is about to get ugly *Get's popcorn*

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You forget to mention Murray. Didn't he actually say this his focus is mainly on the slams this year and that he uses the smaller tournaments to "experiment" and work on his game?:rolleyes:

I think that Venus and Serena are smart in focusing on the slams, but I feel like Venus tries to make things happen outside the slams now.

As for Fed. I don't know. He always seemed like the type of guy who hates losing more than anything, even more than Serena does. His main focus is clearly on the Slams, but he still cares a great deal about winning any other tournament as well.:shrug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:41 PM
im soooo confused as to why you are assuming he thinks serena likes losing? like you just went off on a deep in for no reason and mentioning saint federer and sinnerena etc was why? you are translating peoples opinion as negative and shouldn't. you may want to try and re-respond to it based of an "open" mind. something your "fav player" serena has...just an fyi

are you retarded? :lol:

read his post again...the fact that his defense to the thread was, "federer hates to lose" is implicit of thinking he's not doing the same thing, especially with reference to WHO he quoted....learn to read :lol:

and in case you missed it, this was already discussed on this forum so i know what most people here think about this "new" idea you have...before you jump on me and BlameSerena for what we know happens here, get a grip on your own reality :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:44 PM
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You forget to mention Murray. Didn't he actually say this his focus is mainly on the slams this year and that he uses the smaller tournaments to "experiment" and work on his game?:rolleyes:

I think that Venus and Serena are smart in focusing on the slams, but I feel like Venus tries to make things happen outside the slams now.

As for Fed. I don't know. He always seemed like the type of guy who hates losing more than anything, even more than Serena does. His main focus is clearly on the Slams, but he still cares a great deal about winning any other tournament as well.:shrug:

actually Federer has said he loves winning and doesn't like the term "i hate to lose" since it's too negative :lol: but whatever works....the way both of them steel themselves in slams but can lose horridly outside of the slams to the same people tells me it doesn't make a difference :lol:

volta
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:48 PM
don't speak that!! i think its a good thread. apart from all the other BS threads. its a good question. drama is only what you make it. now go put that popcorn up! lol

Just saying it because the last time a thread like this was made it didn't end up well :o :lol:

fantic
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:53 PM
Is it too early to tell if Roger and even Rafa are morphing into Serena...Show up during tour events...try but don't knock urself out and then turn it on at the slams?

I find that description kinda funny :lol:

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:57 PM
actually Federer has said he loves winning and doesn't like the term "i hate to lose" since it's too negative :lol: but whatever works....the way both of them steel themselves in slams but can lose horridly outside of the slams to the same people tells me it doesn't make a difference :lol:

He did? Well, I always felt like Fed has this kind of "entitlement" to win every match since he's the greatest, a genius at work, etc and therefore shouldn't lose to other players (except for Rafa).:lol:

I agree with the poster who said that one reason why Fed is almost unbeatable at slams is the best-of-5 thing. I think him and Rafa must have the best 5-set stat on the entire tour. Most players can keep their level up long enough to beat either in 2 or 3 sets, but once it goes the distance Fed & Rafa have clear advantages.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:58 PM
Just saying it because the last time a thread like this was made it didn't end up well :o :lol:

it's like thinking that each individual thread about serena won't draw serenastalker32

harloo
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:02 PM
Nadal comparison here is pretty bold... :o
He always hates to lose and gives 100 % no matter the tournamet unless he's injured or so, why on earth did he played WTF last year?? He could have pulled out but he preferred to play (and lose badly) the 3 matches.
He played his heart out in two Rome finals where he won saving match points in consecutive years vs. Cañas and Federer, he stayed 4 hours on court vs. Novak last year in Madrid semis when the more practical thing was pulled out as he virtually had no chances in the final after such an effort... and none of these are GS.
Why does he keep on playing (and winning) Monte Carlo or Barcelona
Like people on MTF says, he's a Spartan :p
Finally the importance of each tournament depends on the player, Anglo saxon players usually don't give a sh*t about Roland Garros despite its importance but for Hispanic players winning in Paris is the climax of a tennis career ;)

Precisely, but if Nadal wants to extend his career he needs to pull back from smaller tournaments otherwise he's going to end up retiring early due to injury. I've always maintained that eventually Nadal's style of play would start to affect him physically if he didn't pick and choose wisely. And now you see him constantly struggling with a knee injury. I know he hates to lose and is very competitive but Uncle Tony should exercise a bit of wisdom and set a realistic schedule to protect his nephews longevity.

Protoss
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:08 PM
At least Serena doesn't lose matches in back to back tournaments having had match points. :rolleyes:

Dave.
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:09 PM
I think something that is constantly misunderstood here is the difference between:

Not caring about tour events.

and

Trying harder in the slams.


ALL players try harder in the slams, but it doesn't mean they don't try or care about tour events. If Fedal really are not intending to "knock themselves out" at tour events then I'd wish they would lose even earlier cos for some reason it still feels like they're everywhere, and I wish they'd play like that against my faves more often!


im soooo confused as to why you are assuming he thinks serena likes losing? like you just went off on a deep in for no reason and mentioning saint federer and sinnerena etc was why? you are translating peoples opinion as negative and shouldn't. you may want to try and re-respond to it based of an "open" mind. something your "fav player" serena has...just an fyi

It's his or her trademark by now. Good luck with that though. :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:10 PM
He did? Well, I always felt like Fed has this kind of "entitlement" to win every match since he's the greatest, a genius at work, etc and therefore shouldn't lose to other players (except for Rafa).:lol:

I agree with the poster who said that one reason why Fed is almost unbeatable at slams is the best-of-5 thing. I think him and Rafa must have the best 5-set stat on the entire tour. Most players can keep their level up long enough to beat either in 2 or 3 sets, but once it goes the distance Fed & Rafa have clear advantages.

oh definitely!! it's why it was near impossible it seemed to beat rafa at RG or Fed on grass....it's one of the reasons WHY i admire the women's tour: you can't afford to lose two sets playing like crap, turn up in the 3rd and win in 5 cause your opponent can't keep it up for 5 sets...

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:12 PM
I think Federer gets beaten more in regular events than is majors because it's damn near impossible to win a 5 sets match against him. The shite players he loses to outside of majors couldn't maintain that level in a longer match.

And yes, his motivation is different. But it's not like he's tanking the masters series matches. He's losing highly competitive ones.

This.

Federer isnt *that* great. half the time people choke to him at Majors...They'll be in a position to win and then cant hit a ball in. And Rafa is on the downward sprial of his career...the clay courters never last long...

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:21 PM
I think something that is constantly misunderstood here is the difference between:

Not caring about tour events.

and

Trying harder in the slams.


ALL players try harder in the slams, but it doesn't mean they don't try or care about tour events. If Fedal really are not intending to "knock themselves out" at tour events then I'd wish they would lose even earlier cos for some reason it still feels like they're everywhere, and I wish they'd play like that against my faves more often!




It's his or her trademark by now. Good luck with that though. :lol:

what's to have an open mind about :lol: your post is EXACTLY the same as it was when this was discussed before...so tell me who looks like the bigger tool here :lol:

if you aren't putting 100% effort into something it doesn't matter what you phrase it as...THAT'S your issue, not mine...you try to differentiate what federer and serena are doing by using different terminology when in fact the contrast in their play at slams and at regular events is plain to see...even some of the people on MTF have caught on...

and what you say is NOT true....some players go all out for regular events especially when you're young and in your own prime, why? because not everyone can go on mental walkabouts for the majority of the time and expect that when time comes to play a slam at 100% they can give it...

if i'm davydenko with Federer - I beat him with incredible play, being able to force errors out of him or simply hit pass him and broke him routinely...we meet in a QF of a slam and for a set and a half i was doing it, then all of a sudden the shots he was missing are going in, and my shots that were winners are coming back...

if i'm stosur with Serena - I beat her in 3 sets with her df on mp, she wasn't getting to my shots, she was making errors of her own, i could read her serve and break her and my serve was holding up....all of a sudden we're at my home slam and now i can't get a touch of her, and a match that was hyped came to nothing as serena tore me a new one

you're telling me, that there's a difference there despite whatever you want to call it?

VishaalMaria
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:31 PM
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You forget to mention Murray. Didn't he actually say this his focus is mainly on the slams this year and that he uses the smaller tournaments to "experiment" and work on his game?:rolleyes:

I think that Venus and Serena are smart in focusing on the slams, but I feel like Venus tries to make things happen outside the slams now.

As for Fed. I don't know. He always seemed like the type of guy who hates losing more than anything, even more than Serena does. His main focus is clearly on the Slams, but he still cares a great deal about winning any other tournament as well.:shrug:

Serena soley focuses on the slams; Venus focuses on both.

That's the major difference between the sisters.

Specifically, Serena uses tour events as tune up (besides Miami) for the upcoming slams.

With Venus, she hopes for the best at the AO, sucks at RG, and really tries at Wimbledon and US Open.

BournemouthBoy
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:33 PM
serena is not fit enough to play normal events, Fed & co are

Dave.
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:52 PM
what's to have an open mind about :lol: your post is EXACTLY the same as it was when this was discussed before...so tell me who looks like the bigger tool here :lol:

if you aren't putting 100% effort into something it doesn't matter what you phrase it as...THAT'S your issue, not mine...you try to differentiate what federer and serena are doing by using different terminology when in fact the contrast in their play at slams and at regular events is plain to see...even some of the people on MTF have caught on...

and what you say is NOT true....some players go all out for regular events especially when you're young and in your own prime, why? because not everyone can go on mental walkabouts for the majority of the time and expect that when time comes to play a slam at 100% they can give it...

if i'm davydenko with Federer - I beat him with incredible play, being able to force errors out of him or simply hit pass him and broke him routinely...we meet in a QF of a slam and for a set and a half i was doing it, then all of a sudden the shots he was missing are going in, and my shots that were winners are coming back...

if i'm stosur with Serena - I beat her in 3 sets with her df on mp, she wasn't getting to my shots, she was making errors of her own, i could read her serve and break her and my serve was holding up....all of a sudden we're at my home slam and now i can't get a touch of her, and a match that was hyped came to nothing as serena tore me a new one

you're telling me, that there's a difference there despite whatever you want to call it?

I'm not using different terminology, you're the one who says Serena doesn't care about non-slams. I have never said that and I don't believe that to be true.

I don't think Davydenko is a good example here as he himself is the YEC champion and he outplayed Federer in back-to-back 3 set matches. This tour vs slam matches argument doesn't have alot in it regarding that because Davydenko beat Federer in the closest thing to a slam. I don't think of the YEC as a "regular tour event". Of course their meeting in a slam QF was different, with Davydenko having never been beyond that stage in Australia, and Federer a 13/14 time GS winner. I also think faboozadoo's 5-set argument for the men's side holds some truth in it too.

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:57 PM
I'm not using different terminology, you're the one who says Serena doesn't care about non-slams. I have never said that and I don't believe that to be true.

I don't think Davydenko is a good example here as he himself is the YEC champion and he outplayed Federer in back-to-back 3 set matches. This tour vs slam matches argument doesn't have alot in it regarding that because Davydenko beat Federer in the closest thing to a slam. I don't think of the YEC as a "regular tour event". Of course their meeting in a slam QF was different, with Davydenko having never been beyond that stage in Australia, and Federer a 13/14 time GS winner. I also think faboozadoo's 5-set argument for the men's side holds some truth in it too.

it really does...if the men didnt play 5 sets....federer wouldnt have a lot of the titles hes got. Heck he definately wouldnt have completed the grand slam....since he was down 2-0 at the french last year.....

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:05 PM
serena is not fit enough to play normal events, Fed & co are

Not fit enough to win them, apparently.

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:07 PM
Serena is tanking as soon as she has lost the first. Federer and Nadal aren't.

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:13 PM
Serena is tanking as soon as she has lost the first. Federer and Nadal aren't.

Right ;);)

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:18 PM
who closed all the Justine threads? lol an justinetard mod? :devil:

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:19 PM
who closed all the Justine threads? lol an justinetard mod? :devil:

IKR - I reported the threads being closed, but what can you do...these people are the mods lol.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:23 PM
The comparison is ridiculous.

LeonHart
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:25 PM
Main difference: Roger still wins the big events outside the slams and has been #1 for most of his career. Can't say the same about Serena.

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:29 PM
Main difference: Roger still wins the big events outside the slams and has been #1 for most of his career. Can't say the same about Serena.

There's a negligible difference by that criterion. Serena won the YECs, Federer has won two non-slam tournaments in last 12 months, neither as important as the YECs. For the record I think neither is tanking on a regular basis, Serena often loses/wins close non-slam matches just as Federer does.

As for being #1 - that isn't part of the discussion here.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:30 PM
Main difference: Roger still wins the big events outside the slams and has been #1 for most of his career. Can't say the same about Serena.

*cough* Indian Wells & Miami *cough*

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:38 PM
*cough* Indian Wells & Miami *cough*

:lol::lol:

BlameSerena
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:41 PM
and u mentioning that is going to help the thread? lmao. def not! but i don't think the thread is going to get like that. drama is only what you allow it to be what you feed into and what you respond to. if it can be prevented the thread wont get to that point. unlike all the others. so fyi people....

Look, don't try to come at me, SS. I wasn't trying to help/hurt the thread...just voicing what has happened in the past. It's obvious to me that Serena and Roger have similar mindsets at this point in their careers and there is nothing wrong with that. But...as this thread is proving, some cannot even stand the thought of comparing the two in any regard...which is pretty much how the last discussion on this topic went, until the thread rolled over and died.

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:58 PM
Look, don't try to come at me, SS. I wasn't trying to help/hurt the thread...just voicing what has happened in the past. It's obvious to me that Serena and Roger have similar mindsets at this point in their careers and there is nothing wrong with that. But...as this thread is proving, some cannot even stand the thought of comparing the two in any regard...which is pretty much how the last discussion on this topic went, until the thread rolled over and died.

what i find interesting is 3 years ago people had no problem comparing Henin to Federer when they thought she was gonna be the best of the gen. but now that its obviously Serena these same people have a problem with it......

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:12 PM
Henin was winning everything in sight as Federer was. Serena peaks at slams and does poorly outside the big events.

Tennisstar86
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:38 PM
For like 5 months..... Venus did it, Hingis did it.... but when it came down to it. The only Major Henin was routine in was the one Federer couldnt win....yet people wanted to do the comparison......

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:45 PM
For like 5 months..... Venus did it, Hingis did it.... but when it came down to it. The only Major Henin was routine in was the one Federer couldnt win....yet people wanted to do the comparison......

b/c it's not just about majors. And Fed came after Serena, Hingis and Venus.. and Venus never dominated like Hnigis and Serena did so how could Fed possibly be compared to Hingis and Serena(2002) when he only started dominating in 2004?

For all her domination, Serena won.. what? 3 titles last year and 4 the year before? In comparison, Henin won 10 in 2007 and 6 in 2006.

From 2003 to 2007, Henin's winning % never dropped below 87% while since 2004, Serena's highest was 85% in 2008. Despite full seasons in 2009 and 2008, Serena barely reached 50 wins last year and didn't achieve that mark in 2008, while Henin topped 60 in her last two full seasons.

So you really can't make a comparison between Fed/Nadal and Serena. Fed and Nadal would dominate year-round while Serena did not aside from 2002-2003

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:53 PM
Henin was winning everything in sight as Federer was. Serena peaks at slams and does poorly outside the big events.

Henin was winning everything in 2007, but she played the best players like Venus and Sharapova just once, Federer dominated the whole tour and was beating all top players regularly. So no, there is no comparaison.

2Black
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:53 PM
Did Venus & Serena NOT exist before 2004 ... Why don't we just erase pre-injury/sister murder Venus & Serena from the record books. This forum is amazing MANY days :lol:

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:54 PM
Henin was winning everything in 2007, but she played the best players like Venus and Sharapova just once, Federer dominated the whole tour and was beating all top players regularly. So no, there is no comparaison.

like Nadal? And Venus wasn't top 5 if I remember and wasn't for 4 years prior

Serenita
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:56 PM
Did Venus & Serena NOT exist before 2004 ... Why don't we just erase pre-injury/sister murder Venus & Serena from the record books. This forum is amazing MANY days :lol:

Selective memory my friend.;)

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:58 PM
like Nadal? And Venus wasn't top 5 if I remember and wasn't for 4 years prior

Whatever, on a regular basis, Henin can't beat Pova, Venus. She played Sharapova and Venus just once in 2007 and could have lost both matches, and if I remember, who ended Henin's streak, Pova, not surprising.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:59 PM
Whatever, on a regular basis, Henin can't beat Pova, Venus. She played Sharapova and Venus just once in 2007 and could have lost both matches, and if I remember, who ended Henin's streak.

"could have" :lol: I'm not going to trash Venus, but Henin is far superior to Sharapova. It's not like Maria was going to stop her

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:01 PM
"could have" :lol: I'm not going to trash Venus, but Henin is far superior to Sharapova. It's not like Maria was going to stop her

And who stopped her 35 winning streak?:lol:

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:02 PM
Did Venus & Serena NOT exist before 2004 ... Why don't we just erase pre-injury/sister murder Venus & Serena from the record books. This forum is amazing MANY days :lol:

:haha: For reals.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:03 PM
And who stopped her 35 winning streak?:lol:

2008.. when Henin started playing like crap. Watch that match and it's nothing like 2007 Henin. So I don't see what your point is.

Olórin
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:03 PM
Did Venus & Serena NOT exist before 2004 ... Why don't we just erase pre-injury/sister murder Venus & Serena from the record books. This forum is amazing MANY days :lol:

You gotta look at who is talking though...it's like reading the same posts over and over from some people.

2Black
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:04 PM
Selective memory my friend.;)

You are so right ... That's why I always look at 'em & just say 12 (as in slams) including 4 in a row!!! You can't get any more dominant than that. ;)

changel
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:07 PM
2008.. when Henin started playing like crap. Watch that match and it's nothing like 2007 Henin. So I don't see what your point is.

Henin was playing pretty well in 2007, and Sharapova almost beat her at YEC, and it's not like Sharapova never beat Henin when she was playing well, US oPEN 2006 anyone?

Serenita
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:07 PM
You gotta look at who is talking though...it's like reading the same posts over and over from some people.
I know right, and it wont stop :sobbing:. Don't encourage the troll. :secret:

Anyway's Roger is there when he needs it, sure he dont like losing. But Roger sees the bigger picture, which is GRAND SLAMS, good for him. Hope he wins many more to become Uber goat.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:08 PM
And Fed came after Serena, Hingis and Venus.. and Venus never dominated like Hnigis and Serena did so how could Fed possibly be compared to Hingis and Serena(2002) when he only started dominating in 2004?

:rolleyes: No point in comparing Federer to someone's form 2 years ago, especially when there is a more present comparison (Henin RG2003-AO2004). Additionally, Henin has the closest style of play to Federer on the women's side.

friendsita
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:19 PM
This.

Federer isnt *that* great. half the time people choke to him at Majors...They'll be in a position to win and then cant hit a ball in. And Rafa is on the downward sprial of his career...the clay courters never last long...

almost everytime... 99% of the players choke to him

Rome
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:47 PM
:rolleyes: No point in comparing Federer to someone's form 2 years ago, especially when there is a more present comparison (Henin RG2003-AO2004). Additionally, Henin has the closest style of play to Federer on the women's side.Really? Just because she has a one-handed backhand her style is like Fed's? Her service is nothing like Fed's justine forhand is nothing like Fed's and her backhand and volleys is nothing like Fed's

hankqq
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:58 PM
you think serena likes losing??? there comes a point in careers that are successful as these two, and at their respective ages, where they just don't want to lose, but don't put as much into winning other titles as they once did...but then again i forgot saint federer and sinnerena shant be mentioned in the same breath....

:lol: sinnerena-I like the sound of that:hearts:

but yeah I agree about the double standard :shrug:

Serena y Monica
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:19 AM
2008.. when Henin started playing like crap. Watch that match and it's nothing like 2007 Henin. So I don't see what your point is.

You don't see alot beyond ur beyond ur own narrow views. There r direct and indirect comparisons...nuance if u will. But subtext doesn't seem to be ur strong suit.

Dunlop1
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:31 AM
Is it too early to tell if Roger and even Rafa are morphing into Serena...Show up during tour events...try but don't knock urself out and then turn it on at the slams?


It's one thing to beat Roger in a best of 3 sets.
It's a totally different animal to do it in best of 5 sets.

Plus every top player focuses more in the slams.

Next.

Serena y Monica
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:44 AM
It's one thing to beat Roger in a best of 3 sets.
It's a totally different animal to do it in best of 5 sets.

Plus every top player focuses more in the slams.

Next.


No next. The point of posting is to think about other points of view. I'm sure beating Roger in three sets at a grand slam would be another animal as well.

Donny
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:50 AM
2008.. when Henin started playing like crap. Watch that match and it's nothing like 2007 Henin. So I don't see what your point is.

Playing so crappy she made it to the quarters of the Australian Open.

Donny
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:56 AM
Henin was winning everything in sight as Federer was. Serena peaks at slams and does poorly outside the big events.

In reverse order for the past twelve months:

finals of Sydney '10, losiging to Dementieva

won the YEC (going undefeated)

round of 16 in Beijing, losing to Petrova

semis in Toronto, losing to Dementieva

round of 16 in Cincy, losing to Bammer

quarters of Stanford, losing to Stosur

finals of Miami, losing to Azarenka

the only 'poor' results were the three straight losses during the clay season.

G1Player2
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:58 AM
Really? Just because she has a one-handed backhand her style is like Fed's? Her service is nothing like Fed's justine forhand is nothing like Fed's and her backhand and volleys is nothing like Fed's

I agree. Justine and Fed's games are nothing alike. :rolleyes:

bandabou
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:24 AM
Aceshigh...still living in the past. Roger is almost done as regular tour-performer since 2008. Go watch his results...hasn't won a masters in years, barely won a regular tour event last year. Becoming awfully Serena-like. :lol:

AcesHigh
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:39 AM
Aceshigh...still living in the past. Roger is almost done as regular tour-performer since 2008. Go watch his results...hasn't won a masters in years, barely won a regular tour event last year. Becoming awfully Serena-like. :lol:

Follow the argument :P Someone questioned why Henin was compared to Federer back in 2007 and so on ;)

And the comparison is ridiculous currently b/c Fed tries hard to win every match... he's just become very beatable, especially in a 3 set match where it's much easier to take him down.

Meanwhile, if Serena applied herself outside of slams and YEC, she'd have won more... so far, outside of those 5 events, she hasn't won another title since April 2008

tennnisfannn
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:02 AM
Federer is a daddy now, he cannot be on the tennis court as much, he can only gear up for the majors, Kim is doing exactly that anyway. Justine has barely played since she got back, she too is morphing into a Serena. If anything of all the aforementioned players, serena is playing more now. She has been injured last couple months though.
Is Federer tanking? I cannot imagine him blowing mps in slams like he has done these couple tournies. The last time he did that in a lsm was AO 05 against Safin.

bandabou
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:43 AM
Follow the argument :P Someone questioned why Henin was compared to Federer back in 2007 and so on ;)

And the comparison is ridiculous currently b/c Fed tries hard to win every match... he's just become very beatable, especially in a 3 set match where it's much easier to take him down.

Meanwhile, if Serena applied herself outside of slams and YEC, she'd have won more... so far, outside of those 5 events, she hasn't won another title since April 2008

So I guess you're saying: Fed is lucky that the majors are best of 5 sets then..'cause obviously he can't win best of 3 matches anymore despite trying?!

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:46 AM
Really? Just because she has a one-handed backhand her style is like Fed's? Her service is nothing like Fed's justine forhand is nothing like Fed's and her backhand and volleys is nothing like Fed's
Agreed.