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TheItalianStyle
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:18 PM
It is not official yet, but Rome should become a combined-event from 2011.
It will last 11 days, just like IW and Miami now.

From next year, Madrid will be played a few weeks before (when the Rome mens' tournament is now probably) and Rome will be the same two weeks it used to be until 2008.

source: federtennis.it

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:24 PM
Do you know why they chose Rome and not Madrid? Does that mean that Rome replaces Madrid as a Mandatory Tournament?:confused:

youizahoe
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:26 PM
Because Rome decided to that as soon as they got approval, they first talked about it in 2003. Long before Madrid came on stage. But I don't think it's gonna be a mandatory, you don't need to have a mandatory event in order to become a combined event.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:30 PM
It's good for the WTA to have combined events. Indian Wells had another record attendance year.
It gives fans a chance to see both WTA and ATP.
You dont get that in most big time pro sports. NBA does not have double headers with WNBA, with equal pay

Caralenko
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:30 PM
Because Rome decided to that as soon as they got approval, they first talked about it in 2003. Long before Madrid came on stage. But I don't think it's gonna be a mandatory, you don't need to have a mandatory event in order to become a combined event.
Why would anyone bother with a two week premier event that isn't mandatory when you can play a one week event worth more points a couple days later? :lol:

youizahoe
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:32 PM
Why would anyone bother with a two week premier event that isn't mandatory when you can play a one week event worth more points a couple days later? :lol:

Rome's history and the tournament is better than Madrid.

Madrid was the most boring tournament of the decade. Even Marbella was more exciting :happy:

Break My Rapture
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:35 PM
OMG OMG OMG put Antwerp back, pllleeeeeeaaaseeeeeeeee. :bigcry:

M.P
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:35 PM
maybe Beijing will be a conbine bigger in both one day too

croat123
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:36 PM
I like the combined events...good news :)

youizahoe
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:38 PM
Beijing will become combined too. They have stated that in 2004 :)

Certinfy
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:43 PM
NOOOOOOOOO I'm sick of joint events!

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:45 PM
Yeah for Beijing! Now all we need is a combined Cincy and Toronto/Montreal.:lol:

DragonFlame
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:48 PM
Hopefully they will put beijing in a better spot on the calendar then. :o Last year Tokio&Beijing was a big fail because of its placement right after the usopen. The 2 most horrible weeks of tennis last year.

M.P
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:50 PM
i hope beijing will be 1000 for both WTA & ATP
but shanghui need downgrade

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:54 PM
Beijing is a very big deal for the WTA and ATP.
They have to work with organizors, the sports authority, the government.
When it is good for China to have the tournament, that's when to have it

jimbo mack
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:42 PM
how are they going to fit all this in? the players will be wiped out by the time the french open comes

the clay season isn't the part of the calendar that needs fixing, it's the fall (which is a total mess) and the events between AO and IW that needs reviewing!

MBM
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:43 PM
YAY! I like Rome.

KournikovaFan91
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:03 PM
I love joint events I think for fans and viewing figures they benefit both ATP and WTA.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:39 PM
It is the best situation for the WTA. Especially at equal prizemoney.
Fans can pay to see whoever they want.

espntennis
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:49 PM
Toronto and Montreal will be combined as well. However, they will continue to play in separate cities, just during the same week. That'll be interesting.

propi
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:52 PM
I really think that the future of WTA is linked to as many combined events as possible, even a combined tour :)

Gdsimmons
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:58 PM
I like the idea. Combined events are awesome as far as I am concerned.

-NAJ-
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:58 PM
Cincinnati will also be combined event from 2011

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:11 PM
Toronto and Montreal will be combined as well. However, they will continue to play in separate cities, just during the same week. That'll be interesting.

Cincinnati will also be combined event from 2011

:cool:

Dave.
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:16 PM
Rome's history and the tournament is better than Madrid.

Madrid was the most boring tournament of the decade. Even Marbella was more exciting :happy:

Rome does have more history but the no. of people at the WTA event was appauling. Madrid wasn't much better though. I'd take Berlin and their crappy camera angle any day.



the clay season isn't the part of the calendar that needs fixing, it's the fall (which is a total mess) and the events between AO and IW that needs reviewing!

Agreed.

KournikovaFan91
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:00 PM
I really think that the future of WTA is linked to as many combined events as possible, even a combined tour :)

Can you imagine the outrage from some of those crazy MTF poster if a combined tour was proposed they are already so sexist.

young_gunner913
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:37 PM
Why would anyone bother with a two week premier event that isn't mandatory when you can play a one week event worth more points a couple days later? :lol:

Rome's history and the tournament is better than Madrid.

Madrid was the most boring tournament of the decade. Even Marbella was more exciting :happy:

Just because Rome may be a better expeirence that still has nothing to do with the question of why would they play a 2 week event that's smaller then the 1 week event the following week.

wally1
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:48 PM
It is not official yet, but Rome should become a combined-event from 2011.
It will last 11 days, just like IW and Miami now.Two week combined events suck. In the first week there's hardly any tv coverage.

madlove
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:11 PM
i'm liking this at all.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:27 PM
I hate combined events. For only one reason: they always put good matches on non-tv courts and we get to see like nothing :o

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:35 PM
Two week combined events suck. In the first week there's hardly any tv coverage.

good. we can have more of a life.

Rafito.
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:42 PM
I love the joint tournaments! This is great news :woohoo:

hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:09 AM
OMG OMG OMG put Antwerp back, pllleeeeeeaaaseeeeeeeee. :bigcry:
Why Belgium has no event is still a mystery to me...

I hate combined events. For only one reason: they always put good matches on non-tv courts and we get to see like nothing :o

I hate them because they never show WTA! :o




I think the reason Rome is getting bigger is because they are building a new stadium. But Rome has always been empty on the outside courts from what I've seen...and they should have a famous player or two to get a big event in my opinion...well there's Pennetta, but no one on the men's side...

Justin SW
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:29 AM
Rogers Cup will become in 2011 ;) as well. Maybe 2012 I dont remember :lol:

Nicolás89
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:57 AM
Can you imagine the outrage from some of those crazy MTF poster if a combined tour was proposed they are already so sexist.

I know right? They still hate Serena for that hopman cup match. :lol:

Nicolás89
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:59 AM
OMG OMG OMG put Antwerp back, pllleeeeeeaaaseeeeeeeee. :bigcry:
Why Belgium has no event is still a mystery to me...


Papa Clijsters doesn't want to. :awww:

CelesteBlanca
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:36 AM
i hope beijing will be 1000 for both WTA & ATP
but shanghui need downgrade

I don't think Shanghai TMS will be downgraded. 'cause Shanghai has held Tennis Master Cup in 2002 and 2005~2008. every year top male players come to Shanghai for many years. last year Shanghai held the ATP Masters 1000 for first time, and become the "2009 Year Master Tournament". seems players like Shanghai.

if someone criticize that there were not a lot spectators in weekdays in Shanghai. that's because Chinese "Nationatinal Day" holidays from Oct.1st ~ Oct.7th. China Open benifits from the schedule very very much('cause Chinese government are in Beijing,hahaha). But during Oct.8th~Oct.15th, Chinese People should go to work again and work more to make up for the work which should be done in holidays, so have less time to enjoy the tennis. so if Shanghai TMS was held in Oct.1st ~ Oct.7th, everything would change. maybe one day ATP will change the schedule.

And I don't think Bejing will held the ATP 1000.

Although I think joint will be a great idea.

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:56 PM
So the big Stadium now is 10,500
How many courts do they have for the 2 week event starting next year. How many seats?
Anyone know?

propi
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:56 PM
Can you imagine the outrage from some of those crazy MTF poster if a combined tour was proposed they are already so sexist.
Who cares about what some people write in a board, actually MTF receives as much attention as this one, none.
Results show that combined events are those atracting better both the audience and the sponsors so :)

youizahoe
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:58 PM
Just because Rome may be a better expeirence that still has nothing to do with the question of why would they play a 2 week event that's smaller then the 1 week event the following week.

New Haven is combined. So your point is?

Joe.
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:00 PM
New Haven is combined. So your point is?

:weirdo:

his point is that, why would a player want to play a two week tournament when they could play a one week tournament the week after and get more points.

youizahoe
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:03 PM
:weirdo:

his point is that, why would a player want to play a two week tournament when they could play a one week tournament the week after and get more points.

How can you judge this when we obviously don't even know yet if it's gonna be 1 or 2 week tournament.

:weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:

youizahoe
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:04 PM
ROME (AP)—A new 10,500-seat tennis stadium for the Italian Open has been opened, less then a month before the tournament.

Built and operated by the Italian Olympic Committee, the $38.4 million facility is the centerpiece of plans to host a combined men’s and women’s event next year.

The first matches in the new stadium will be played in the Rome Masters, with the official inauguration scheduled for the third day of the tournament on April 27.

Built on the same site as the former stadium at the Foro Italico, the still unnamed facility has an intimate feel. Tournament director Sergio Palmieri described it Wednesday as “the premier tennis stadium in the world in terms of visibility for fans.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-romestadium

TheItalianStyle
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:58 PM
However it should be just like Madrid is now, the maindraw would last just one week as it does now, but it would be combined.

It would be impossible for me to make a 2 weeks-event in the clay schedule that, as someone was saying a few posts ago, is okay the way it is.

Matt01
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:31 PM
How can you judge this when we obviously don't even know yet if it's gonna be 1 or 2 week tournament.

:weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo: :weirdo:


:weirdo:

The whole point of this thread and of this discussion was that Rome will be a longer event for about 11 days.


It is the best situation for the WTA. Especially at equal prizemoney.
Fans can pay to see whoever they want.


No, goldenlox. Combined events are good for the ATP and (maybe) for the public but they are bad for the WTA. The female players most likely will always play the "2nd fiddle" to the men and the players who are not called Serena or Sharapova be relegated to the smaller courts. It's also bad for the broadcasting since Eurosport for example only has the righs to show the women's matches and they will have to wait till the (mostly longer) men's matches are over.

The WTA became strong when they divided themselves from the men and now they are taking this back which is a dangerous development for women's tennis IMO.

Rolling-Thunder
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:15 PM
The combined events are better for the players and the fan. You get to see a variety for male and female players. Plus its great that players do not have to play on consecutive days. They get more rest and are less likely to be injured or have to pull out because they don't have time to recover. That tend to make for better match play.

FORZA SARITA
Apr 1st, 2010, 09:19 PM
It is not official yet, but Rome should become a combined-event from 2011.
It will last 11 days, just like IW and Miami now.

From next year, Madrid will be played a few weeks before (when the Rome mens' tournament is now probably) and Rome will be the same two weeks it used to be until 2008.

source: federtennis.it

yay :hearts::inlove::drool:

hellas719
Apr 2nd, 2010, 05:15 AM
I really hate combined events because no one cares about the WTA :o
And Rome was fine the way it is :shrug:. I always remember empty stands :shrug:

wally1
Apr 2nd, 2010, 08:14 AM
No, goldenlox. Combined events are good for the ATP and (maybe) for the public but they are bad for the WTA. The female players most likely will always play the "2nd fiddle" to the men and the players who are not called Serena or Sharapova be relegated to the smaller courts. It's also bad for the broadcasting since Eurosport for example only has the righs to show the women's matches and they will have to wait till the (mostly longer) men's matches are over.

The WTA became strong when they divided themselves from the men and now they are taking this back which is a dangerous development for women's tennis IMO.Totally agree with all of this. Combined events are nice for spectators on site, but women's tennis needs to stand on its own feet.

af11
Apr 11th, 2010, 03:46 PM
And don't forget in combined event tickets are more expensive

jimbo mack
Apr 30th, 2010, 07:42 AM
Next year I heard ponte vedre and charleston have swapped weeks in the calendar...can anybody clarify this?

Also, is the YEC 2011 held in Istanbul? Is it held indoors?

Caralenko
Apr 30th, 2010, 07:51 AM
Next year I heard ponte vedre and charleston have swapped weeks in the calendar...can anybody clarify this?


That is the most pointless swap I have EVER heard. PVB is supposed to be a Charleston warm up. Now Charleston is the warm up for a lower tier event? They need a more substantial Green Clay season instead of two lone events.

jimbo mack
Apr 30th, 2010, 07:58 AM
That is the most pointless swap I have EVER heard. PVB is supposed to be a Charleston warm up. Now Charleston is the warm up for a lower tier event? They need a more substantial Green Clay season instead of two lone events.

I think it was to acquire more top players to enter charleston? As it would be played straight after the miami event and further away from the fed cup weekend. Maybe I misunderstood which is why I'm hoping somebody can clarify.

claypova
Apr 30th, 2010, 08:06 AM
swapping PVB and charleston i think is pretty stupid, as said above.

and YEC in istanbul? :unsure:

Marilyn Monheaux
Apr 30th, 2010, 08:19 AM
I think it was to acquire more top players to enter charleston? As it would be played straight after the miami event and further away from the fed cup weekend. Maybe I misunderstood which is why I'm hoping somebody can clarify.

That's just stupid. They play two two-week Mandatory events back-to-back and another Premier event with a stacked field?:weirdo:
They better ready their check books if they really want all the top players to show up there.:help:

Regarding the YEC in Istanbul: Great choice to make sure that nobody's gonna see the mess the YEC has been lately!:yeah:

Andreas
Apr 30th, 2010, 09:40 AM
As far as I'm concerned Copenhagen will be moved to during the clay season next year and the matches will be played on clay :)

Chorophyll
Apr 30th, 2010, 10:14 AM
:weirdo:

The whole point of this thread and of this discussion was that Rome will be a longer event for about 11 days.





No, goldenlox. Combined events are good for the ATP and (maybe) for the public but they are bad for the WTA. The female players most likely will always play the "2nd fiddle" to the men and the players who are not called Serena or Sharapova be relegated to the smaller courts. It's also bad for the broadcasting since Eurosport for example only has the righs to show the women's matches and they will have to wait till the (mostly longer) men's matches are over.

The WTA became strong when they divided themselves from the men and now they are taking this back which is a dangerous development for women's tennis IMO.

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Juju Nostalgique
Apr 30th, 2010, 01:45 PM
Madrid shouldn't be such a big event. No tradition at all... :weirdo:

I'd put Rome as a combined boys&girls Tier I+++ event instead! :yeah:

sakya23
Apr 30th, 2010, 02:52 PM
downgrade warsaw, eastbourne, and new haven. Get rid of bali tournament. Move moscow or downgrade it. make the season shorter.

Kipling
Apr 30th, 2010, 03:14 PM
Next year I heard ponte vedre and charleston have swapped weeks in the calendar...can anybody clarify this?

Interesting decision, if true. It'll probably help Charleston pull in a few more top 20 players and gut Ponte Vedra, which is a shame because it's a wonderful venue and the Arrix' tournament has a rich history going back 30 years.

hellas719
May 1st, 2010, 05:00 PM
I like the PVB/Charleston swap :)
I think New Haven and Eastbourne should keep their premier status because it would be unfair that only one top 10 player could play in New Haven and that would ruin the USO series :shrug:. And we need at least one premier grass event :shrug:. Not sure about Warsaw ;)

And why combined Rome? We never get WTA coverage during combined events :o

Joe.
May 1st, 2010, 05:17 PM
downgrade warsaw, eastbourne, and new haven. Get rid of bali tournament. Move moscow or downgrade it. make the season shorter.

You kidding right? :weirdo:

Joe.
May 1st, 2010, 05:18 PM
I think that they should make the grass season 1 week longer. Make a mandatory event on grass. :)

Mlle Bruni
May 1st, 2010, 05:41 PM
Why should we be happy about Rome becoming combined? The TV coverage would be awful. Like in Miami it was all about the boys.

sammy01
May 1st, 2010, 05:46 PM
Why should we be happy about Rome becoming combined? The TV coverage would be awful. Like in Miami it was all about the boys.

this! joint tournament have crappy tv coverage for the women. it may mean more money for the players but it is useless if we don't get to see them.

i like having smaller but fun wta only tournaments, that eurosport can dedicate lots of coverage to. i've seen more tennis this week from stuttgart live on t.v than the whole of IW and miami put together.

LCS
May 1st, 2010, 05:49 PM
downgrade warsaw, eastbourne, and new haven. Get rid of bali tournament. Move moscow or downgrade it. make the season shorter.

Can we downgrade you as well? :wavey:

Eastbourne and New Haven are classics, they are good the way they are.

Matt01
May 1st, 2010, 05:53 PM
Can we downgrade you as well? :wavey:

Eastbourne and New Haven are classics, they are good the way they are.


New Haven is a MM tournament that has always a weak field, stuck between the US Open and two other big tournaments (Cincinnatti and Canadian Open).

sammy01
May 1st, 2010, 05:54 PM
what i would do is move warsaw to the week charleston is now (which PVB will be next year) and make it the start of the clay season, not the end of it

adner
May 1st, 2010, 05:58 PM
what i would do is move warsaw to the week charleston is now (which PVB will be next year) and make it the start of the clay season, not the end of it

The problem is that this is too early for playing tennis in Poland. It sometimes snows in April!

sammy01
May 1st, 2010, 06:01 PM
The problem is that this is too early for playing tennis in Poland. It sometimes snows in April!

it was there for a few years before and yes it was cold, i remember lena playing in long sleaves and tracksuit.

but it still got the likes of henin, clijsters, venus, hingis, sveta, ivanovic ect playing there despite the cold.

terjw
May 1st, 2010, 07:26 PM
It is not official yet, but Rome should become a combined-event from 2011.
It will last 11 days, just like IW and Miami now.

From next year, Madrid will be played a few weeks before (when the Rome mens' tournament is now probably) and Rome will be the same two weeks it used to be until 2008.

source: federtennis.it

So is it going to be increased to a a 96 player field?

Chorophyll
May 1st, 2010, 07:32 PM
New Haven is a MM tournament that has always a weak field, stuck between the US Open and two other big tournaments (Cincinnatti and Canadian Open).

--

Yep, New Haven is where all the people who did have the US Summer Campaign they desired go to have a Hail Mary at finding some random form going into the US Open.

Wiggly
May 7th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Toronto and Montreal will be combined as well. However, they will continue to play in separate cities, just during the same week. That'll be interesting.

This is such a bad move.
It is just fiiiiine the way it is right now.

Anyways, Prague isn't coming back, they lost their sponsor.

Mynarco
May 7th, 2010, 02:00 AM
When would the grass season be one week longer :sobbing:

Danii's Law
May 7th, 2010, 02:04 AM
There should be a WTA masters series. Call it the madame series or something. The premier and premier mandatory and international names have no prestige. I preferred the old Tier system.

Derevko
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:26 PM
sorry for the UP of this thread, but there is a change in the WTA Calendar.. there is Elkridge instead of Washington

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2011.pdf

Corswandt
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:28 PM
sorry for the UP of this thread, but there is a change in the WTA Calendar.. there is Elkridge instead of Washington

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/TourCalendar_2011.pdf

It's just the name of the venue. Elkridge is very close to Washington DC.

Viktymise
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:52 PM
OMG OMG OMG put Antwerp back, pllleeeeeeaaaseeeeeeeee. :bigcry:

The last Antwerp in 2008 was the single worst tournament I've ever witnessed. Good riddance.

Richie's
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:53 PM
Will the Pushniacki Open be again an Indoor Hard court?

Andreas
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:54 PM
Will the Pushniacki Open be again an Indoor Hard court?

It was the plan to make it outdoor clay :)

DefyingGravity
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:57 PM
Is this....a shorter schedule??????

Richie's
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:58 PM
How pathetic can WTA Tour be??????

I believe Denmark can host a grass tournament. But why hard or clay, i really can't understand....

Some people of WTA need to be fired, as soon as it possible. They suck.

Andreas
Jul 30th, 2010, 12:59 PM
How pathetic can WTA Tour be??????

I believe Denmark can host a grass tournament. But why hard or clay, i really can't understand....

Soem people of WTA need to be fired, as soon as it possible. They suck.

There are no grass courts in Denmark :spit: Only this carpet thing with sand on which they dare calling artificial grass :lol:

jimbo mack
Jul 30th, 2010, 04:24 PM
what venue will the YEC Istanbul be held at? surely not where the event is being held this week? :o mind you at least the seats would be half filled if it was

jimbo mack
Jul 30th, 2010, 04:25 PM
There are no grass courts in Denmark :spit:

these things can be arranged ;)

plus it's all about wozniacki and she loves playing on grass anyway

Caipirinha Guy
Jul 30th, 2010, 04:27 PM
what venue will the YEC Istanbul be held at? surely not where the event is being held this week? :o mind you at least the seats would be half filled if it was

In the newly built indoor arena.

Gdsimmons
Jul 30th, 2010, 05:45 PM
Why couldnt the WTA pick a venue for YEC like on the ATP. The O2 was PACKED last year!! And the atmosphere was amazing!!! Doha was just lame. No atmosphere whatsoever. When it was in LA at the Staples Center that was AWESOME!!

KournikovaFan91
Jul 30th, 2010, 08:55 PM
People put in bids for the WTA champs I believe they probably do with the ATP also, Monterrey was a bid that was against Istanbul and some other city but I can't remember what the other one was.

So the WTA can't just get a venue.


I agree with the person who says there should be a series like the ATP Masters Series.
Since the ATP 9 tourneys I guess the WTA could have IW, Miami, Madrid, Rome, Dubai, Toronto, Cincy, Beijing, Tokyo. So merge Premier Mandatorys and Premier 5s into one Series.

Have the 9 tourneys in the Prestige Series or something
Other Premiers Moscow, Eastbourne, Stanford, Doha etc.
International Tournaments.

TBH Thats not a great set up either but this roadmap will have to be re looked at at some point, I can't see this current system working for many years.

jimbo mack
Jul 31st, 2010, 01:58 PM
2012 calendar will be more interesting than 2011. Will be intriguing to see how they juggle tournaments around to fit in the Olympics! I'm not sure what dates the Olympics are held however.

Meelis
Jul 31st, 2010, 02:05 PM
I'm not sure what dates the Olympics are held however.

Sunday 29 July – Sunday 5 August.