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Volcana
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:29 AM
... she's never going to win a slam with that game.

She plays like Younes El Aynaoui, big flashy game, huge ripping cuts at the ball, and when she gets rolling, it is scary. But nobody can play an entire match like that, much less an entire tournament. Muscles fatigue at different rates. That perfect timing she had for four or five games in the second set vs Bartoli? Bartoli sat back, kept the ball in play, and waited for her level to fall off. Then she picked back up HER level.

I'm also somewhat surprised that she doesn't have the same headcase reputation that Azarenka does. Up three sets points on the serve of a player you've broken half-a-dozen times in two sets, and instead they win the match!?!? That could give you a complex.

There a lot of athletic ability there, and a lot of skill. But the mental part is, at the moment, serious deficient. And she's already 20 years old. That ol' clock, she ticks.

goldenlox
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:36 AM
She only won 10 of 33 points on her second serve, and a lot of times Marion hit clean winners on her serve return. Yanina is okay, but has huge holes in her game.

treufreund
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:36 AM
Her service placement is not that impressive and her feel at the net is awful and she does not really know how to defend... Kind of a ballbasher and I can NOT see why people like her game.

RenaSlam.
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:39 AM
Just watch one point of Fed-Berdych. So much better.

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:57 AM
Her service placement is not that impressive and her feel at the net is awful and she does not really know how to defend... Kind of a ballbasher and I can NOT see why people like her game.Because she flashy, and she's doesn't play like she doesn't know how to defend, she plays like she doesn't choose to defend. She's the anti-Wozniacki. Which has a lot to do with their respective rankings.

So Disrespectful
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:05 AM
Her service placement is not that impressive and her feel at the net is awful and she does not really know how to defend... Kind of a ballbasher and I can NOT see why people like her game.

Agreed. She has no concept of intelligent placement when she's out of position. I like her game though, it's very physical. I hope she do some serious learning this year and become a solid top 10 player.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:26 AM
I still think Wickmayer is overrated. She's never beaten a top 10 player before, and apart from Pennetta, hasn't ever had wins over anybody in the top 15 either. She's done a great job to win some tournaments and reach the US Open semis (despite the absurdly easy draw she had to get there), but I don't ever see her becoming a contender for major titles. Second week at the Slams here and there for sure, but definitely not winner's circle material.

Jajaloo
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:28 AM
Agreed. She has no concept of intelligent placement when she's out of position. I like her game though, it's very physical. I hope she do some serious learning this year and become a solid top 10 player.

Hopefully. She's 20, and still has a lot of room for improvement. She doesn't lack confidence, it's just strategy.

hellas719
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:31 AM
^^Not now, but she's working hard to improve and is still somewhat young ;)
A year ago her ranking was around 90...

jujufreak
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:44 AM
Her service placement is not that impressive and her feel at the net is awful and she does not really know how to defend... Kind of a ballbasher and I can NOT see why people like her game.

Me neither, she's an arrogant brat with a negative attitude

miffedmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:53 AM
She has great shoulders though.

Wiggly
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:57 AM
Just watch one point of Fed-Berdych. So much better.

They just had that superb point, great defense by Berdych and huge backhand by Roger.

DefyingGravity
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:31 AM
I feel as though Yanina could be a really good player. I agree with whoever said she plays like she chooses not to play tennis. I feel like if she finds a nice balance of aggression and intelligent play, she'll definitely stay in the top 10 for longer than some other people who have been there. I feel like she's got a raw game still, and it'll round out with more experience against top players. She's, at the moment, inexperienced. Compared with Wozniacki or someone around her age, she's done just as good as them so far (does U.S. Open SF count more than a Miami title?), and she's only going to get better.

I wish that people would just take her game as a 20 year old who's LITERALLY broken through instead of sitting on her laurels and watching competition fall apart and benefit from the debacle that ensues from having almost no top 10 players playing top 10 tennis.

shap_half
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:53 AM
Because she flashy, and she's doesn't play like she doesn't know how to defend, she plays like she doesn't choose to defend. She's the anti-Wozniacki. Which has a lot to do with their respective rankings.

I feel like this "lack" of defence is a bit off. I thought she defended plenty today. It was her erratic play and shaky serve that contributed to her loss. She couldn't string a few good points together, especially on serve.

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:28 AM
I feel like this "lack" of defence is a bit off. I thought she defended plenty today.When I fought I had opponents who 'defended' like that. When you had them under pressure, they tried to break your face. And if they missed, they tried to break it with the other hand. Wozniacki defends. Venus defends. Clijsters defends.


Wickmayer defends. Llike Venus circa 2001. 'Oh I'm ten feet off the court, on the run and can barely reach the ball? Take THIS bitch!'
You can call it 'defense' .......

I think it safe to say no one will ever accuse Yannina Wickmayer of 'going quietly into that good night'. She's gonna get her cuts in.

tennisbum79
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:30 AM
She has great shoulders though.
... no bangs:lol:

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:33 AM
She has great shoulders though.uugnnn..... cant' say that. cant' say that. Sure as hell THAT will get me banned. cant' say that.....
Yes.

Mistress of Evil
Mar 31st, 2010, 06:52 AM
I do not like her because she is not feminine tries to play ATP style which she is not good at. Anyway, good for her winning matches.

P.S. I see tons of bad reps .

fantic
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:12 AM
uugnnn..... cant' say that. cant' say that. Sure as hell THAT will get me banned. cant' say that.....
Yes.

:haha: come on, just say 'it' :lol:

bhathiya9999
Mar 31st, 2010, 09:49 AM
She's not very confident player.

tea
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:13 AM
There a lot of athletic ability there, and a lot of skill. But the mental part is, at the moment, serious deficient. And she's already 20 years old. That ol' clock, she ticks.
This particular match is not an indicator. I really think that a lot of success she already has is partly because of the mental strength.:shrug:

Agree with everything else you said. It's near to impossible to keep game at level during whole 2 sets with that style of play.

ZODIAC
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:13 AM
its her negative attitude against ball kids and linesjudges that needs adjustment..she is just not fun to watch with the lousy grunts and bitchy tude..

stino
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:31 AM
I think she has a nice attitude off-court, but on-court she just fight for what she's worth.
She has a great body, look at those legs!!
I don't think many Belgians expected her to be top 20-material ever, but look where she is at only 19 years of age. I know there are other players that achieve more before they turn 20, but Yanina is eager and willing to learn and improve. It's not her fault the top-players went out so quickly at the US Open, but then again, she won against decent players to achieve the SF, other players that can beat those top-players (Kvitova, Errani, Bondarenko, ... are always though opponents).

Alizé Molik
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:46 AM
she needs to get a real coach and get away from moratoglou - his only advice for every situation is go for your winners, and be aggressive!

Slutiana
Mar 31st, 2010, 12:07 PM
She has great shoulders though.
.... For a man.

Ferg
Mar 31st, 2010, 12:11 PM
She has great shoulders though.

Oh Max :spit:

Break My Rapture
Mar 31st, 2010, 12:39 PM
I do not like to watch Wickmayer play.
I don't get how people can call, for example, Vika a brainless ballbasher. In my opinion Yanina is the biggest brainless ballbasher on the Tour. :shrug: No technique, no feeling. She just always hits the ball all or nothing and at the moment that's going well for her. But I expect that will change soon.

SerenaSlam
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:53 PM
when venus and serena first came on the tour they were considered nothing but ball bashers but on a whole nother level when it comes to wickmayer they were winning slams 2 and 3 years into their professional careers and already racked up several tournaments. give her some time. maybe in 5 or 6 years

miffedmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:00 PM
.... For a man.

For a jockette. Some women who are very athletic get man shoulders. I won't name names, because I am a fan of hers, and in fact I never call her by her name anyway.

Wicki has shoulders that are jocky but feminine.

Uranus
Mar 31st, 2010, 07:02 PM
I've had the chance to see her in real and her shoulders really aren't that impressive. She is a toned, healthy girl. Her body is amazing. I didn't think she was particularly nice off-court though :lol:.

ZODIAC
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:28 PM
whats up with the belgians lack of boobage,Kim no boobs,Justine no boobs ,Yanina no boobs and Flipkens has zero zilch nada..

Cakeisgood
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:32 PM
I feel like her game is actually fair high percentage considering how hard she hits the ball.

But I :hearts: bitchy ballbashing.

miffedmax
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:34 PM
Meh. Big boobs would through Wicki's lines off. She's a nice, well-proportioned girl. With really nice shoulders.

TheAllan
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:27 PM
whats up with the belgians lack of boobage,Kim no boobs,Justine no boobs ,Yanina no boobs and Flipkens has zero zilch nada..
You clearly haven't heard of Tamaryn Hendler. And what's up with Kim Clijsters having no boobs? Yanina's aren't exactly huge, but she does have breasts - and they fit her body type well.

ZODIAC
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:25 PM
You clearly haven't heard of Tamaryn Hendler. And what's up with Kim Clijsters having no boobs? Yanina's aren't exactly huge, but she does have breasts - and they fit her body type well.Yanina has very small sinking into her chest boobs same with Henin...is it a belgian thing:confused:Kim has small saggy tits I guess its understandable since she breastfed.:tape:

TheAllan
Mar 31st, 2010, 11:45 PM
Yanina has very small sinking into her chest boobs same with Henin...is it a belgian thing:confused:Kim has small saggy tits I guess its understandable since she breastfed.:tape:
You should write romance novels.

darkchild
Apr 1st, 2010, 01:28 AM
OMG, the last few posts! :rolls:

hellas719
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:15 AM
I do not like to watch Wickmayer play.
I don't get how people can call, for example, Vika a brainless ballbasher. In my opinion Yanina is the biggest brainless ballbasher on the Tour. :shrug: No technique, no feeling. She just always hits the ball all or nothing and at the moment that's going well for her. But I expect that will change soon.

She actually uses the drop shot pretty often ;)

The Dawntreader
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:27 AM
You should write romance novels.

:lol:

Volcana
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:34 AM
This particular match is not an indicator. I really think that a lot of success she already has is partly because of the mental strength.I'm willing to give it a few more matches. It IS entertaining tennis.look where she is at only 19 years of age.She's 20. Born: Oct 20, 1989

Chakvenus
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:39 AM
[QUOTE=tea;17509828]This particular match is not an indicator. I really think that a lot of success she already has is partly because of the mental strength.:shrug:

This. i completely agree with those who label her as a ballbasher, as from what i've seen there hasn't been too much thinking, strategizing, or really any variety except deep hard shots. this is of course effective in today's game, but her refusal to back down or quit is probably what has garnered her the ranking she has right now. plenty of other girls can and do play the same way she does; her mental toughness is really her only standout.

Volcana
Apr 1st, 2010, 02:42 AM
Yanina is the biggest brainless ballbasher on the Tour. No technique, no feeling. She just always hits the ball all or nothingMaybe you didn't watch this last match. But no one can hit the angles she was hitting with 'no technique, no feeling'. She 'swings for the fences' way too much but the thing is, she's a top fifteen player playing that way. I can understand why she'd have faith in her own style. It's worked so far.

Even with that style, she'll be fixture in the bottom half of the top ten for a couple years. But I don't think she gets that veteran players know how to ride out her brilliant streaks, and take her when the errors creep in.

NOTE: Hey, we're starting to fight over the newbies, not the vets. Best indicator of the health of the tour yet.