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ZODIAC
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:19 AM
What do you think:)

Ferg
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:20 AM
What if she loses those challengers? :scared:

ZODIAC
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:22 AM
What if she loses those challengers? :scared:
:lol::tape:she will be fine dont worry:tape:

Protoss
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:44 AM
Ana isn't in that bad of a situation. She just needs to go play international tournaments. :shrug:

RenaSlam.
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:46 AM
Ha, not yet.

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:52 AM
What do you think:)That rests on the aaumption that her problem is a lack of confidence. If that's the case, and I'm certainly not convinced it is, she could set a schedule of Internationals , not even have to risk facing more than one top player in a tournament, and pick up some nice appearance money from TDs happy to have a recent slam champ at their event.


The reason I don't buy the 'confidence' thing is that her game collapsed immediately after she won Roland Garros. It didn't fall off gradually. It collapsed. Even last year's IW final was an illusion.128 BYE
R64 [95] Yakimova ........ W 6-4 6-3
R32 [36] Dulko ........... W 6-3 6-3
R16 [15] Pennetta ........ W 6-4 4-6 6-4
QTR [29] Bammer .......... W W/O
SMI [42] Pavlyuchenkova .. W 6-2 6-3
FNL [06] Zvonareva ....... L 7-6 6-2
A bye, a walkover, only one win against a player even in the top 30.

I don't see a confidence problem here. Winning a slam doesn't rob you of confidence overnight.

AcesHigh
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:54 AM
She doesnt need confidence. she's missing a lot more than that.

DefyingGravity
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:35 AM
That rests on the aaumption that her problem is a lack of confidence. If that's the case, and I'm certainly not convinced it is, she could set a schedule of Internationals , not even have to risk facing more than one top player in a tournament, and pick up some nice appearance money from TDs happy to have a recent slam champ at their event.


The reason I don't buy the 'confidence' thing is that her game collapsed immediately after she won Roland Garros. It didn't fall off gradually. It collapsed. Even last year's IW final was an illusion.128 BYE
R64 [95] Yakimova ........ W 6-4 6-3
R32 [36] Dulko ........... W 6-3 6-3
R16 [15] Pennetta ........ W 6-4 4-6 6-4
QTR [29] Bammer .......... W W/O
SMI [42] Pavlyuchenkova .. W 6-2 6-3
FNL [06] Zvonareva ....... L 7-6 6-2
A bye, a walkover, only one win against a player even in the top 30.

I don't see a confidence problem here. Winning a slam doesn't rob you of confidence overnight.

Ugh....

You have to have talent to have won a Slam at some point in your career. And she beat a very resistant and very good Jelena Jankovic on clay, a Schnyder when she WASN'T a joke, and wiped out everyone she was supposed to wipe out (Arvidsson, Safarova, Wozniacki, Cetkovska) and beat a Safina who was playing better than people give her credit.

Donny
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:40 AM
Ugh....

You have to have talent to have won a Slam at some point in your career. And she beat a very resistant and very good Jelena Jankovic on clay, a Schnyder when she WASN'T a joke, and wiped out everyone she was supposed to wipe out (Arvidsson, Safarova, Wozniacki, Cetkovska) and beat a Safina who was playing better than people give her credit.

Where did Volcana imply that Ana wasn't/isn't talented?

DefyingGravity
Mar 31st, 2010, 03:48 AM
Where did Volcana imply that Ana wasn't/isn't talented?

See the bolded down here

That rests on the aaumption that her problem is a lack of confidence. If that's the case, and I'm certainly not convinced it is, she could set a schedule of Internationals , not even have to risk facing more than one top player in a tournament, and pick up some nice appearance money from TDs happy to have a recent slam champ at their event.


The reason I don't buy the 'confidence' thing is that her game collapsed immediately after she won Roland Garros. It didn't fall off gradually. It collapsed. Even last year's IW final was an illusion.128 BYE
R64 [95] Yakimova ........ W 6-4 6-3
R32 [36] Dulko ........... W 6-3 6-3
R16 [15] Pennetta ........ W 6-4 4-6 6-4
QTR [29] Bammer .......... W W/O
SMI [42] Pavlyuchenkova .. W 6-2 6-3
FNL [06] Zvonareva ....... L 7-6 6-2
A bye, a walkover, only one win against a player even in the top 30.

I don't see a confidence problem here. Winning a slam doesn't rob you of confidence overnight.

How I read that makes it appear that he just thinks Ivanovic didn't have the game to be winning slams in the first place.

tennnisfannn
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:17 AM
No she needs to play a williams or other top players she would pride herself iin beating. remember last year when she barely did nayhting meaningful but was at her absolute best against serena, though she lost she was hitting her stride. This week aginst radwanska, she found some of her old spirit. I think it is the top player that would force her to step it up.

Cp6uja
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:47 AM
What if she loses those challengers? :scared:Than to play futures or junior events :silly:

Whole this concept about playing small tournaments never works for Ana. Except Serena, there is no other so clean example of player which have better GS record than tier-I, better tier-I than tier-II, better tier-II than tier-III/tier-IV level. So she will make big mistake if she switch premier events with international, and :bs: idea to skip to challengers don't deserve serious discussion.


And BTW, she don't need to back her confidence - she needs to back her old forehand, serve and aggressive game style, and results (with confidence) will comeback also. And talking about her latest matches I notice some progress with new coach. Since Wimbledon 4th round last year she played 4 matches vs TOP10 level players (Venus, Henin, Kuznetsova, Stosur) but never won more than 5 games in any of this matches. With new coach she played 3 sets against TOP10 level opponents (vs Kim in NY and Radwanska at Miami) and lose again all this sets - but for change this time she at every SET won at least 5 games (6-7 5-7 5-7) which is obvious improvement for me (and don't count that set vs Kim where Ana waste SP=MP like EXO because money prize for win in that set is bigger than to reach premier-5 final!).

Pasta-Na
Mar 31st, 2010, 04:51 AM
like nicole? :scared:

tennisbum79
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:01 AM
No, she does not need challenges.

She needs a steady, realiable team to work on her match management.
Because she does not lack the stills, she loses matches with her head: sudden loss of focus, bad decision making.
The "Venus Syndrome". But Venus manages to overcome these mental lapses more often than most.

Somehow, Ana has to learn how to extricate herself out of these diffcult situations she put herself in.

LightsOut!
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:04 AM
We saw how playing challengers helped Nicole Stepankova :eek:... please don't do that, Ana!!!

tennisbum79
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:07 AM
We saw how playing challengers helped Nicole Stepankova :eek:... please don't do that, Ana!!!

It sure can help some people given the right circumstances.

Ana is just not a good candidate to be playing challengers right now.
She won't get anything out of it

ptkten
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:10 AM
See the bolded down here



How I read that makes it appear that he just thinks Ivanovic didn't have the game to be winning slams in the first place.

I agree, that's how I read it too and if that's the case then that's just ridiculous. She made two other slam finals, and won multiple tier 1 titles before the French. It's not as if the victory came out of the blue.

Different players lose confidence for different reasons. She buckled under the pressure of winning the French and becoming number one, then got injured, and has never gotten it back. I can completely understand losing confidence after winning a major because you have so much pressure that you start to overthink things. Sure her game sucks now, but that's because it relies on her being confident to go for her forehand and serve, which she just doesn't feel comfortable doing right now.

I do agree that Indian Wells 2009 was an illusion though, she wasn't playing well there at all and hasn't since the French.

I have no idea whether playing challengers will help though, I could see it going either way. She could either gain confidence winning matches or if she loses, it could completely destroy her. I guess it couldn't hurt though because I doubt it makes a difference to her whether she's losing in the first round of wta tournaments or challengers at this point.

Volcana
Mar 31st, 2010, 05:19 AM
How I read that makes it appear that he just thinks Ivanovic didn't have the game to be winning slams in the first place.I can't apologize, because you read something into what I wrote that wasn't there.

My point was that she's CLEARLY talented enough to win slams, so her fall off in form deosn't seem likely due to 'loss of confidence'.

Jelena Jankovic 'lost her confidence'. And slipped from #1 to the outskirts of the top ten. That's what happens when an eltie player loses her confidence. When you win a slam, then lose to #133, #94, and #188 in succession, you're injured. And if you never truly recover your form, it's because it's chronic.

Steven.
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:14 AM
It's time to give up on Ana Ivanovic...

bhathiya9999
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:30 AM
ya absolutely correct , Ana's should have to get back her confident again she's out of her confident.

JJ's biatch
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:48 AM
that's bulshit.. she's not that bad.. she should play international tournaments more often and the results, confidence and form will come.. ;) good luck Ana :kiss:

Nikkiri
Mar 31st, 2010, 08:53 AM
I wouldn't go as far as challengers just yet.. but she should def play smaller events.

Ksenia.
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:08 PM
Does it really work?
Sharapova won Memphis and then showed some pathetic results in IW.

BluSthil
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:16 PM
What do you think:)
Ana needs to leave tennis and recoup; a year probably. She is still young, and has the time to work out those mental road blocks to winning, and revamp her game. Right now, she is more or less one dimentional. Get a tough love coach, work on a more diversified court strategy, and come back strong in 2011.

thegreendestiny
Mar 31st, 2010, 01:48 PM
Who cares what she does. She needs to learn how to toss the ball first and foremost. :shrug:

joćo.
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:16 PM
We saw how playing challengers helped Nicole Stepankova :eek:... please don't do that, Ana!!!

Complete different situation.
It doesn't look like Ana is over playing tennis but I could be wrong.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:24 PM
Ana should play any tournament. She still has the schedule of a Top 10 player, but she's far from that! Challengers might be a stretch, but she should definitely start playing more smaller events!

babsi
Mar 31st, 2010, 02:30 PM
Pigs will fly before she does that...Adding Stuttgart to her schedule was a massive change for her.
She has over 1 month to work with her new coach...she better disappear and be working hard...no showing up at golf tournaments. This month is very important to be fixing problems eg.toss.
She should be playing smaller events, schedule should be like this Fes, Estoril, Madrid and Warsaw (might as well play it as it will be be weak and more points. Will she do it? No.