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A-Bond
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:24 PM
There has been a lot of talk lately about the questionable ranking system, which made Wozniacki #2.

My question would be: How would the ideal ranking look like? And it's not the sense of the thread to make a Top 20 with your favourites (f.E. for NA-GOAT putting Na, Zheng and Peng as Top 3). I'd like to see everyone make the list by "full talent" of a player and where a player would be ranked nowadays without injury, while playing at it's best.

My list would be:

1. Serena Williams
2. Justine Henin
3. Maria Sharapova
4. Venus Williams
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Dinara Safina
7. Elena Dementieva
8. Jelena Jankovic
9. Victoria Azarenka
10. Svetlana Kuznetsova
11. Ana Ivanovic
12. Vera Zvonareva
13. Nadia Petrova
14. Daniela Hantuchova
15. Agnieszka Radwanska
16. Marion Bartoli
17. Flavia Pennetta
18. Caroline Wozniacki
19. Sabine Lisicki
20. Agnes Szavay

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:28 PM
No way Sharapova. She has not even gotten to a slam contender at a major since her surgery.
Cibulkova, Dulko, Oudin, Kirilenko

You have to include where players are in their career, and not just rank them at their peaks.

That is just a list to downgrade Wozniacki, who is way above Nadia.

LegionArgentina
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:31 PM
There is something wrong in that ranking,you wrote full talent players and Sharapova is n3 :tape:
By the way very original idea,never seen a thread like this one :eek:

polinablaskova
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:31 PM
1. Dinara Safina
2. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Elena Dementieva
4. Nadia Petrova
5. Alisa Kleybanova
6. Vera Zvonareva
7. Maria Kirilenko
8. Elena Vesnina
9. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
10. Elena Bovina
11. Vera Dushevina
12. Ekaterina Makarova
13. Regina Kulikova
14. Anna Chakvetadze
15. Alla Kudryavtseva
16. Evgeniya Rodina
17. Ekaterina Bychkova
18. Vesna Manasieva
19. Ksenia Pervak
20. Yuliya Kalabina

LegionArgentina
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:33 PM
1. Dinara Safina
2. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Elena Dementieva
4. Nadia Petrova
5. Alisa Kleybanova
6. Vera Zvonareva
7. Maria Kirilenko
8. Elena Vesnina
9. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
10. Elena Bovina
11. Vera Dushevina
12. Ekaterina Makarova
13. Regina Kulikova
14. Anna Chakvetadze
15. Alla Kudryavtseva
16. Evgeniya Rodina
17. Ekaterina Bychkova
18. Vesna Manasieva
19. Ksenia Pervak
20. Yuliya Kalabina

I wonder if you have ever seen tennis? Did you?

A-Bond
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:35 PM
No way Sharapova. She has not even gotten to a slam contender at a major since her surgery.
Cibulkova, Dulko, Oudin, Kirilenko

You have to include where players are in their career, and not just rank them at their peaks.

That is just a list to downgrade Wozniacki, who is way above Nadia.

Sorry I'm limitated in my english, I really wanted to say if everyone is at their peak, how the rankings would look then. Peak Nadia is 3000 times better than peak Caro. If just everyone would play at it's peak level consistantly, how would be ranking look.

debby
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:35 PM
No way Sharapova. She has not even gotten to a slam contender at a major since her surgery.
Cibulkova, Dulko, Oudin, Kirilenko

You have to include where players are in their career, and not just rank them at their peaks.

That is just a list to downgrade Wozniacki, who is way above Nadia.

This.

And I really dislike Caro. But it makes no sense to downgrade her in ranking. She would be 5th-6th along with Jankovic IMO.

1.Serena
2. Justine
3. Venus
4. Kim
5. either Wozniacki or Jankovic

debby
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Sorry I'm limitated in my english, I really wanted to say if everyone is at their peak, how the rankings would look then. Peak Nadia is 3000 times better than peak Caro. If just everyone would play at it's peak level consistantly, how would be ranking look.

I don't think Venus would be behind Maria at their peaks. :tape:

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Sorry I'm limitated in my english, I really wanted to say if everyone is at their peak, how the rankings would look then. Peak Nadia is 3000 times better than peak Caro. If just everyone would play at it's peak level consistantly, how would be ranking look.If you just want peak, it just becomes an argument about Venus in 2000-2001 vs Justine 2007. They have these threads before.
Then after Maria, Kim, it just becomes who do you root for.

Slutiana
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:38 PM
1. Dinara Safina
2. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Elena Dementieva
4. Nadia Petrova
5. Alisa Kleybanova
6. Vera Zvonareva
7. Maria Kirilenko
8. Elena Vesnina
9. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
10. Elena Bovina
11. Vera Dushevina
12. Ekaterina Makarova
13. Regina Kulikova
14. Anna Chakvetadze
15. Alla Kudryavtseva
16. Evgeniya Rodina
17. Ekaterina Bychkova
18. Vesna Manasieva
19. Ksenia Pervak
20. Yuliya Kalabina
:haha:

Julian.
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:39 PM
1. Dinara Safina
2. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Elena Dementieva
4. Nadia Petrova
5. Alisa Kleybanova
6. Vera Zvonareva
7. Maria Kirilenko
8. Elena Vesnina
9. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
10. Elena Bovina
11. Vera Dushevina
12. Ekaterina Makarova
13. Regina Kulikova
14. Anna Chakvetadze
15. Alla Kudryavtseva
16. Evgeniya Rodina
17. Ekaterina Bychkova
18. Vesna Manasieva
19. Ksenia Pervak
20. Yuliya Kalabina

You missed the best Russian ever! :(

debby
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:41 PM
I think we will have a much better ranking at the end of the year, or after Wimbledon, I mean both Justine and Kim don't even play a lot, Serena is injured, so they don't gain much points for their ranking. Justine is already #33 with Brisbane, AO and Indian Wells, we will see what will be her ranking after 10tournaments more. Same for Clijsters but I find her very inconsistant, that's why I don't think she will be ranked higher than Caro. Jankovic perhaps but she seems to remain her 2007-2008 form so she might reach the top 5.

Justin SW
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:42 PM
^Anna Kournikoshit ?!?!

Boreas
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:42 PM
This board is full of idiots who're bitching about pushers, so to please them the rankings should look like that:

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Serena
4. Sharapova
5. Dementieva
6. Ivanovic
7. Serena
8. Henin
9. Clijsters
10. Serena
11. Venus
12. Kuznetsova
13. Henin
14. Venus
15. Sharapova
16. Serena
17. Azarenka
18. Clijsters
19. Serena
20. Ivanovic

Julian.
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:44 PM
This is my objective list:
1. Serena Williams
2. Justine Henin
3. Venus Williams
4. Maria Sharapova
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Svetlana Kuznetsova
7. Ana Ivanovic
8. Dinara Safina
9. Elena Dementieva
10. Jelena Jankovic
11. Caroline Wozniacki
12. Nadia Petrova
13. Daniela Hantuchova
14. Vera Zvonareva
15. Victoria Azarenka
16. Agnieszka Radwanska
17. Marion Bartoli
18. Flavia Pennetta
19. Li Na
20. Samantha Stosur

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:53 PM
I could not do it outside the top 5, because it is too close.
Serena, tie-Justine/Venus, I break the tie on weeks at #1, Maria, Kim
Absolute peak for Safina is on red clay, not a slam final.
So how do you rank that?

polinablaskova
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:00 PM
You missed the best Russian ever! :(

She's no Russian. ;)

PMBH
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:45 PM
1. Serena Williams
2. Justine Henin
3. Caroline Wozniacki
4. Venus Williams
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Dinara Safina
7. Elena Dementieva
8. Maria Sharapova
9. Jelena Jankovic
10.Svetlana Kuznetzova

miffedmax
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:48 PM
1.Elena Dementieva

That's as far as I got before losing interest.

Kworb
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:56 PM
1. Martina Hingis
2. Monica Seles
3. Justine Henin
4. Serena Williams
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Anna Kournikova
7. Venus Williams
8. Maria Sharapova
9. Elena Dementieva
10. Jennifer Capriati
11. Svetlana Kuznetsova
12. Vera Zvonareva
13. Na Li
14. Dinara Safina
15. Jelena Jankovic
16. Viktoria Azarenka
17. Daniela Hantuchova
18. Agnieszka Radwanska
19. Jie Zheng
20. Anna Chakvetadze

Ferg
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:04 PM
1. My 1st favourite
2. My 2nd favourite
3. My 3rd favourite
4. My 4th favourite
5. My 5th favourite
6. My 6st favourite
7. My 7th favourite
8. My 8th favourite
9. My 9th favourite
10. My 10th favourite
11. My 11th favourite
12. My 12th favourite
13. My 13th favourite
14. Brie Whitehead
15. My 15th favourite
16. My 16th favourite
17. My 17th favourite
18. My 18th favourite
19. My 19th favourite
20. My 20th favourite

TennisFan66
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:06 PM
1.Elena Dementieva

That's as far as I got before losing interest.

I am with you in principle. For me its

1. Caroline Wozniacki

PS I do like Elena though.

Caroline haterz can make as many of these pathetic threads as they wish, it won't change a thing for me. Caro :hearts: :worship: I've followed Caroline for years and I'll support her nomatter what haterz don't like about her.

Jedna je Jelena
Mar 29th, 2010, 05:25 PM
1.Serena Williams
2.Justine Henin
3.Kim Clijsters
4.Venus Williams
5.Jelena Jankovic
6.Svetlana Kuznetsova
7.Elena Dementieva
8.Victoria Azarenka
9.Maria Sharapova
10.Dinara Safina
11.Na Li
12.Vera Zvonareva
13.A.Radwanska
14.Caroline Wozniacki
15.Alisa Kleybanova
16.Agnes Shavay
18.Zheng Zie
19.Nadia Petrova
20.Daniela Hantuhova

I really see current situation like this...

Temperenka
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:06 PM
1] Serena Williams
2] Kim Clijsters
3] Justine Henin
4] Venus Williams
5] Maria Sharapova
6] Svetlana Kuznetsova
7] Elena Dementieva
8] Ana Ivanovic
9] Victoria Azarenka
10] Jelena Jankovic
11] Dinara Safina
12] Caroline Wozniacki
13] Vera Zvonareva
14] Agnieszka Radwanska
15] Na Li
16] Daniela Hantuchova
17] Zheng Jie
18] Alisa Kleybanova
19] Agnes Szavay
20] Maria Kirilenko

Andrew Laeddis
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:18 PM
1.S.Williams
2.Clijsters
3.Sharapova
4.V.Williams
5.Henin
6.Safina
7.Kuznetsova
8.Vaidisova (For my ideal WTA rankings she hasnt retired.)
9.Dementieva
10.Ivanovic
11.Wozniacki
12.Azarenka
13.Jankovic
14.Petrova
15.Zvonareva
16.Lisicki
17.Hantuchova
18.Kleybanova
19.Szavay
20.Groenefeld

Direwolf
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:22 PM
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Justine Henin
Kim Clijsters
to prevent belgium semis n williams semis...

Sharapova

Kuznetsova
Ivanovic

OMG...we have so little Slam Winners left...
Safina
Dementieva
Jankovic
Wozniacki

and some slam finalists
and then the semifinalists

nfl46
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:24 PM
1. Dinara Safina
2. Svetlana Kuznetsova
3. Elena Dementieva
4. Nadia Petrova
5. Alisa Kleybanova
6. Vera Zvonareva
7. Maria Kirilenko
8. Elena Vesnina
9. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
10. Elena Bovina
11. Vera Dushevina
12. Ekaterina Makarova
13. Regina Kulikova
14. Anna Chakvetadze
15. Alla Kudryavtseva
16. Evgeniya Rodina
17. Ekaterina Bychkova
18. Vesna Manasieva
19. Ksenia Pervak
20. Yuliya Kalabina

I looked at this list TWICE and was like, hmm, no Williams? LMAO!

nfl46
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:25 PM
1. Venus Williams
2. Serena Williams
3. Justine Henin
4. Elena Dementieva
5. Kim Clijsters

Volcana
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:52 PM
I'd like to see everyone make the list by "full talent" of a player and where a player would be ranked nowadays without injury, while playing at it's best.It's not a bad thread, but I can't answer your question. There are too many variables.

How often you get to your best factors into your ranking. Dinara Safina may, at her best, be the best player in the world. How often does she play her best? Also, Dinara Safina vs the-tour-minus-Serena is probably better than Serena Williams vs the tour-minus-Dinara-Safina. It's certainly close. But when they play each other ....

Should Justine Henin 2.0 get credit for the accomplishments of Justine Henin 1.0? They certainly don't play tennis the same way. Henin 2.0 hasn't won a tournament yet. And she's your #2!?!?

Sharapova 2.0 is certainly a lesser player than Sharapova 1.0.

Clijsters is not the steamroller she was in 2005

One of the reasons the rankings cover a full year's results is that a player can get 'on a roll' for a couple months, and play above their actual abilities. Is Jankovic the player she was in fall '08. Or the player she's showed in 2009. Her overall career results say fall 2008 was an aberration.

Lastly, rankings are, at base, a way to calculate seeding, itself a reward to the players for supporting the tour. If the best player in the world only entered the slams, and won all four, how much do they help the WTA? Not at all.

Venus Williams seems, to me, to be more 'talented' than Caroline Wozniacki. But Wozniacki plays a LOT more tournaments, meaning a lot more people in the tennis business have a chance to make money off her. Hence, she's ranked higher, and deservedly so.

Kipling
Mar 29th, 2010, 08:49 PM
1.Elena Dementieva

That's as far as I got before losing interest.

Aravane Rezai and nineteen other players to fill slots 2 though 20....

toby345
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Another 'name-your-20-favourite-players'-thread :rocker2:

Singleniacki
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:10 PM
I looked at this list TWICE and was like, hmm, no Williams? LMAO!

:rolls:

Craig.
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:15 PM
No way Sharapova. She has not even gotten to a slam contender at a major since her surgery.
Cibulkova, Dulko, Oudin, Kirilenko

You have to include where players are in their career, and not just rank them at their peaks.

That is just a list to downgrade Wozniacki, who is way above Nadia.

While playing at their best. Learn to read. No one said anything about current form.

flareon
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Nobody has mentioned davenport she would be lurking

1. S Williams
2. V Williams
3. Henin
4. Clijsters
5. Sharapova
6. Kuznetsova
7. Dementieva
8. Jankovic
9. Safina
10. Zvonareva
11. Azarenka
12. Radwanska
13. Petrova
14. Hantuchova
15. Stosur
16. Wozniacki
17. Szavay
18. Chakvetadze
19. Schiavonie
20. Safarova

Ivanovic should be up there but she has lost form but maybe she might get back :). I also feel if its on peak Schynder would be high up as well she was in top ten for years.

flareon
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Another 'name-your-20-favourite-players'-thread :rocker2:

Not for me half the players i listed i am not big fans off especially safina ( sorry to safina fans) and i am not a big fan of Kuznetsova Its just were i think they will be...

nevetssllim
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Something along the lines of;

1. Serena Williams
2. Justine Henin
3. Venus Williams
4. Kim Clijsters
5. Svetlana Kuznetsova
6. Maria Sharapova
7. Jelena Jankovic
8. Dinara Safina
9. Elena Dementieva
10. Caroline Wozniacki
11. Nadia Petrova
12. Vera Zvonareva
13. Flavia Pennetta
14. Daniela Hantuchova
15. Agnieszka Radwanska
16. Alisa Kleybanova
17. Francesca Schiavone
18. Samantha Stosur
19. Patty Schnyder
20. Katarina Srebotnik

Mlle Bruni
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Enough meaningless threads like these. Can we have a break?

flareon
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:47 PM
Enough meaningless threads like these. Can we have a break?

The meaningless here is your post!!!!

We are just having some fun so we do not need your posts clogging it up... If you dislike it so much why do you need to voice your opinion :shrug:

Sund7101
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:56 PM
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Henin
4. Clijsters
5. Kuznetsova
6. Dementieva
7. Jankovic
8. Azarenka
9. Safina
10. Radwanska
11. Zvonareva
12. Bartoli
13. Stosur
14. Sharapova
15. Pennetta
16. Petrova
17. Li
18. Hantuchova
19. Kleybenova
20. Wozniacki (Just kidding! I think I would put her at around 8 or 9)