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Navratil
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:25 AM
Watching her match against Kirilenko last night I was just wondering if a player like Caroline Wozniacki is bad for the reputation of Women's tennis.

Nobody would care if she was # 76 in the rankings but there is a girl at # 2 in the world without a serve and not doing anything than waiting for the opponent's errors. There is no variaty at all and she's got big problems to play something different than for- or backhand from the baseline. Her game is the most boring I've seen in years. And really thought these kind of players belong to the past.

Caroline Wozniacki is the personification of all the prejudice against Women's tennis in the 90ties.

What do you think?


Another question remains: How did she rise to # 2 in the world???

That's probably the same kind of miracle like George Bush became president. :lol:

But still there are some reasons: Former world # 1s Sharapova, Henin & Cljisters didn't play a full season and are way behind their "real" rankings. Former # 1s Jankovic and Ivanovic struggled throughout the season while others like Zvonareva, Li etc. struggled with injuries. The Williams sisters didn't play that many tournaments and Caroline took her chance at the US-Open and in Indian Wells to reach the final when she had fantastic Once-in-a-lifetime-draws. Credit to her believe and mental strength but she doesn't belong to the top ten and I believe she will go south from now on.

TennisFan66
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:28 AM
I can feel your pain all through the keyboard.

Caro :hearts:

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:33 AM
The tour needs smart players and Caro exposes how sloppily and stupidly most of the tour plays.
I hope this starts a new trend and tactics eventually join with ball bashing and womens tennis gets to a higher level

polinablaskova
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:34 AM
The tour needs smart players and Caro exposes how sloppily and stupidly most of the tour plays.
I hope this starts a new trend and tactics eventually join with ball bashing and womens tennis gets to a higher level

Ultimately this will happen, but it's a distant future and the limits are without bounds.

bridgepea
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:35 AM
What I hate more than anything else, including the moonballs is how the commentators keep saying how she is good for the game and how if she became No.1 that would be good for tennis. The girl is 19 and they keep saying how she has achieved so much at the age of 19. Hello, when Sharapova, Hingis, Serena and many others were 19 they were winning Premier events, Grand Slams and was ruling the tennis world. This girl all she knows about is moonballing her opponents. There were so many good matches on yesterday and they chose to show Wozniacki v. Kirilenko. I am still trying to figure out how come Kirilenko got a clothing contract with the fugly Stella clothes, but that is another topic. Both girls just kept hitting powder puff first and second serves, moon balling forehands and now and again we got a winner. The combined winners of both of them were what a player like Serena will hit in one match. This is just awful for women's tennis. Enough already.

Harvs
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:36 AM
shes great for the tour...

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Watching her match against Kirilenko last night I was just wondering if a player like Caroline Wozniacki is bad for the reputation of Women's tennis.

Nobody would care if she was # 76 in the rankings but there is a girl at # 2 in the world without a serve and not doing anything than waiting for the opponent's errors. There is no variaty at all and she's got big problems to play something different than for- or backhand from the baseline. Her game is the most boring I've seen in years. And really thought these kind of players belong to the past.

Caroline Wozniacki is the personification of all the prejudice against Women's tennis in the 90ties.

What do you think?


Another question remains: How did she rise to # 2 in the world???

That's probably the same kind of miracle like George Bush became president. :lol:

But still there are some reasons: Former world # 1s Sharapova, Henin & Cljisters didn't play a full season and are way behind their "real" rankings. Former # 1s Jankovic and Ivanovic struggled throughout the season while others like Zvonareva, Li etc. struggled with injuries. The Williams sisters didn't play that many tournaments and Caroline took her chance at the US-Open and in Indian Wells to reach the final when she had fantastic Once-in-a-lifetime-draws. Credit to her believe and mental strength but she doesn't belong to the top ten and I believe she will go south from now on.

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This sh*t is getting old. Her game is boring, but does anyone really think that it's that much more interesting watching one of those brainless ball bashers implode on court and spray error after error?
She got to No.2 because she gained the points she needed to while others lost points or just didn't perform constantly enough to accumulate enough points.
She's the No.2 ranked player, not the 2nd best player on tour. Nobody in their right mind would claim she was, so where's the big effing problem?
I don't like her as a player, but she's got a good personality and good looks and definitely represents the WTA Tour in a good light.:shrug:

Some people need to lay off the haterade for a minute!:yawn:

Rafito.
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Without Caroline on the WTA tour it just wouldn't be the same.

fouc
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:40 AM
You got it all wrong. She is neither good nor bad "for the tour". Her current position is precisely the indication of how (bad?) the tour is at the moment and how you need to play to get to the top. So, it's not Wozniacki, but the tour, that is bad or good.

A-Bond
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:45 AM
What I hate more than anything else, including the moonballs is how the commentators keep saying how she is good for the game and how if she became No.1 that would be good for tennis. The girl is 19 and they keep saying how she has achieved so much at the age of 19. Hello, when Sharapova, Hingis, Serena and many others were 19 they were winning Premier events, Grand Slams and was ruling the tennis world. This girl all she knows about is moonballing her opponents. There were so many good matches on yesterday and they chose to show Wozniacki v. Kirilenko. I am still trying to figure out how come Kirilenko got a clothing contract with the fugly Stella clothes, but that is another topic. Both girls just kept hitting powder puff first and second serves, moon balling forehands and now and again we got a winner. The combined winners of both of them were what a player like Serena will hit in one match. This is just awful for women's tennis. Enough already.

:worship::worship: I could not say it better. I don't think Caro is BAD for the Women's Tennis but it's just not good that a player with such little game can be #2. I mean that does decrease the peformance of every player, who has reached the Top 3. For example Mary Pierce or Lena D where much better and if you compare what they achieved to get to #3 and what Wozniacki has achieved to get to #2, it's just a freaking joke. She belongs to a rank maybe between 20-30. She has no weapons and she isn't even as consistent as Jankovic was and hasn't won a big event yet. I don't know how you can have such a big confidence as Wozniacki when you're only capable of pushing.

Maybe she has to get to #1 till the commentators and tennis experts do realise what a terrible and boring player she really is.

kman
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:51 AM
Without Caro on the tour you haters would have nothing to bitch and complain about. That would be terribly mundane.

Caro exposes all the suck-asses for what they are... suck-asses. Then they can step up their game or fall to the wayside. Caroline is that dividing line between the filth and the bling and the most talked about player on this forum.

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Lachy
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:52 AM
What I hate more than anything else, including the moonballs is how the commentators keep saying how she is good for the game and how if she became No.1 that would be good for tennis. The girl is 19 and they keep saying how she has achieved so much at the age of 19. Hello, when Sharapova, Hingis, Serena and many others were 19 they were winning Premier events, Grand Slams and was ruling the tennis world. This girl all she knows about is moonballing her opponents. There were so many good matches on yesterday and they chose to show Wozniacki v. Kirilenko. I am still trying to figure out how come Kirilenko got a clothing contract with the fugly Stella clothes, but that is another topic. Both girls just kept hitting powder puff first and second serves, moon balling forehands and now and again we got a winner. The combined winners of both of them were what a player like Serena will hit in one match. This is just awful for women's tennis. Enough already.

;)

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:52 AM
Not really but most tennis players play for themselves and not the tour anyway. I doubt they would care so much until they would worry that their 'boring' and 'brainless' performances would harm the tour as a whole.:lol:

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:54 AM
Caroline is becoming the star of Tennisforum.com
Everyone seems to have a strong opinion.
If she stays healthy, she is firmly planted in the top 5, whether you like her style or not

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:04 PM
Caroline is becoming the star of Tennisforum.com
Everyone seems to have a strong opinion.
If she stays healthy, she is firmly planted in the top 5, whether you like her style or not

Isn't it always like that?:lol:

If everyone else stays healthy/gets healthy as well, the Top 5 is gonna be Serena, Justine, Kim, Venus, Maria;) Then there are Dinara, Elena, JJ & Sveta.
Caro can be constantly Top 10, but Top 5 is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

Betten
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:05 PM
Another question remains: How did she rise to # 2 in the world???

Serena cares little for WTA tournaments, letting less talented players pick up points. Safina, Ivanovic, Jankovic and Kuznetsova collectively decided to suck. Venus is doing okay, but her weak clay results are a setback. Dementieva is Dementieva. Clijsters and Henin retired, and Sharapova hasn't been able to recapture her form. In addition to that, her draws have been very kind for her, whereas someone like Azarenka tends to run into top players.

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:07 PM
I dont see Kim as a mom being top 5. Maria, she has a serious injury. I dont see top 5 for her either.
Caro is ahead of Venus, Sveta and Lena, and they are healthy

burn
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:09 PM
This sh*t is getting old. Her game is boring, but does anyone really think that it's that much more interesting watching one of those brainless ball bashers implode on court and spray error after error?
She got to No.2 because she gained the points she needed to while others lost points or just didn't perform constantly enough to accumulate enough points.
She's the No.2 ranked player, not the 2nd best player on tour. Nobody in their right mind would claim she was, so where's the big effing problem?
I don't like her as a player, but she's got a good personality and good looks and definitely represents the WTA Tour in a good light.:shrug:

Some people need to lay off the haterade for a minute!:yawn:

200% agreed!

TennisFan66
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:11 PM
I would like to propose to the TF admin that tennisforum is replaced by carosforum. We only talk about Caroline anyway here, so why not rename the whole forum and let it reflect?

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce: .. MaKiri :hug:

Julian.
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:14 PM
^ Yeah, I even talked about her at some random chatting thread :sobbing:

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: hi
Stranger: asl
You: hi
You: 10 female denmark
You: not 10
You: 19
Stranger: on nice
Stranger: ok
Stranger: 21 m
You: good
You: do you know that my job is a pusher?
Stranger: what
Stranger: pusher mean?
You: pushing
You: my name is caroline wozniacki
Stranger: nice name
You: i love to push
You: some people even nicknamed me pushniacki
Stranger: oh i love to intake pushes
Stranger: r u there?
You: yeah
You: im chatting from my death bed
Stranger: r u ill?
You: yeah very ill
You: but i can still push
You: i can't live without it
Stranger: oh ... pray the got to save ur life
You: well he did
You: ask my friend Maria Kirilenko
You: i was ill but i bet her to death yesterday
You: beat
Stranger: oh god... i think now u r i sad condition
Your conversational partner has disconnected.

:haha:

Corswandt
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:20 PM
Goldilocks is in a troll-baiting mood again. :lol:

I'll take the bait.

The tour needs smart players and Caro exposes how sloppily and stupidly most of the tour plays.
I hope this starts a new trend and tactics eventually join with ball bashing and womens tennis gets to a higher level

That's more or less the reasoning behind the Portuguese commentators' championing of Sunshine. They claim she plays smart tennis, but you must bear in mind that in Portugal, playing a high % game is still automatically equated with playing smartly (i.e. in Portugal pretty much everyone thinks like the inimitable TF poster frenchie) - which reflects the way tennis is still taught over here.

I tend to agree that she does indeed expose the weaknesses of today's tour, but I can't follow the commentators who praise her "smart play". She plays smartly in the sense that she (or better, Sven the Svengali) is aware her limitations and knows the way to make the most of her abilities, but her game is way too one-dimensional for her to be labelled a tactical mastermind. She doesn't have Henin's or Schiavone's versatility and flawless shot selection or even say Martic's sneaky cleverness.

Problem is, I don't really believe Sunshine will force ballbashers to clean up their games. Let's not forget that she has lost twice to the most brainless of BBBs this season already, and that she hasn't posed much of a problem to players with overwhelming firepower so far. It's rather players who are underpowered from the baseline who tend to look as if they're running into a wall when facing her.

Bottom line, she doesn't expose the brainlessness and inconsistency of the top BBBs, but rather the lack of tactical options of most midranked players.

If she stays healthy, she is firmly planted in the top 5, whether you like her style or not

So you don't think that the Belgian part-timers will join the sisters in the top 5 sometime later during this season? Clijsters is only 500 pts from the top 10 right now.

LegionArgentina
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:21 PM
^ Yeah, I even talked about her at some random chatting thread :sobbing:

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: hi
Stranger: asl
You: hi
You: 10 female denmark
You: not 10
You: 19
Stranger: on nice
Stranger: ok
Stranger: 21 m
You: good
You: do you know that my job is a pusher?
Stranger: what
Stranger: pusher mean?
You: pushing
You: my name is caroline wozniacki
Stranger: nice name
You: i love to push
You: some people even nicknamed me pushniacki
Stranger: oh i love to intake pushes
Stranger: r u there?
You: yeah
You: im chatting from my death bed
Stranger: r u ill?
You: yeah very ill
You: but i can still push
You: i can't live without it
Stranger: oh ... pray the got to save ur life
You: well he did
You: ask my friend Maria Kirilenko
You: i was ill but i bet her to death yesterday
You: beat
Stranger: oh god... i think now u r i sad condition
Your conversational partner has disconnected.

:haha:

That is far for being funny :tape:

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:24 PM
I dont expect both Kim and Justine to play enough and get enough results to challenge for #1.
Maybe Justine, I would be surprised if Kim is in the #1 race.
If Caro keeps winning matches, Serena needs a good Wimbledon to hold #1, or at worst the gap will be small.

Svetlana)))
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:28 PM
What I hate more than anything else, including the moonballs is how the commentators keep saying how she is good for the game and how if she became No.1 that would be good for tennis. The girl is 19 and they keep saying how she has achieved so much at the age of 19. Hello, when Sharapova, Hingis, Serena and many others were 19 they were winning Premier events, Grand Slams and was ruling the tennis world. This girl all she knows about is moonballing her opponents. There were so many good matches on yesterday and they chose to show Wozniacki v. Kirilenko. I am still trying to figure out how come Kirilenko got a clothing contract with the fugly Stella clothes, but that is another topic. Both girls just kept hitting powder puff first and second serves, moon balling forehands and now and again we got a winner. The combined winners of both of them were what a player like Serena will hit in one match game. This is just awful for women's tennis. Enough already.

There. Corrected.

Corswandt
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:32 PM
She's the No.2 ranked player, not the 2nd best player on tour. Nobody in their right mind would claim she was, so where's the big effing problem?

The problem is that, for the casual fans at least, the rankings are still seen as a reliable indicator of a player's actual ability.

kman
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:34 PM
^ Yeah, I even talked about her at some random chatting thread :sobbing:

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: hi
Stranger: asl
You: hi
You: 10 female denmark
You: not 10
You: 19
Stranger: on nice
Stranger: ok
Stranger: 21 m
You: good
You: do you know that my job is a pusher?
Stranger: what
Stranger: pusher mean?
You: pushing
You: my name is caroline wozniacki
Stranger: nice name
You: i love to push
You: some people even nicknamed me pushniacki
Stranger: oh i love to intake pushes
Stranger: r u there?
You: yeah
You: im chatting from my death bed
Stranger: r u ill?
You: yeah very ill
You: but i can still push
You: i can't live without it
Stranger: oh ... pray the got to save ur life
You: well he did
You: ask my friend Maria Kirilenko
You: i was ill but i bet her to death yesterday
You: beat
Stranger: oh god... i think now u r i sad condition
Your conversational partner has disconnected.

:haha:

wow, massive fail at humor

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:35 PM
That's why Gilbert thinks the ITF should do seedings that ignore WTA ranking.
He thinks they have to seed Serena,Venus 1 or 2 at Wimbledon. Justine had to be seeded at the AO.

But the WTA wants their tournaments to matter.
Caro has two Super Tier I finals along with the USO, that's 3 of the biggest 9 tournaments she made the final, and a YEC SF.

harloo
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:41 PM
The problem is that, for the casual fans at least, the rankings are still seen as a reliable indicator of a player's actual ability.
:worship:Yep, most of us who follow the tour know how flawed the ranking system is and understand how Caroline secured the #2 seed. Casual fans are a whole different ballgame. I remember watching Venus trample Safina at Wimbledon and two of my friends(who knew little to nothing about tennis) asked me how was she the #1 player. They were shocked that Safina was getting beaten so easily and said that women's tennis was a joke.

I think we'll see the same thing happen to Caro. Once she gets the #1 seed a target will be on her back and I don't think she's ready yet. Caroline is mentality strong but she needs to add some aggression to her game. If not, she'll always be at the mercy of a power player.

Marilyn Monheaux
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:44 PM
The problem is that, for the casual fans at least, the rankings are still seen as a reliable indicator of a player's actual ability.

Yeah, but I thought that at least the people who post here are past the level of a "casual" tennis fan. Silly me.:lol:

TennisFan66
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:47 PM
:worship:Yep, most of us who follow the tour know how flawed the ranking system is and understand how Caroline secured the #2 seed. Casual fans are a whole different ballgame. I remember watching Venus trample Safina at Wimbledon and two of my friends(who knew little to nothing about tennis) asked me how was she the #1 player. They were shocked that Safina was getting beaten so easily and said that women's tennis was a joke.

I think we'll see the same thing happen to Caro. Once she gets the #1 seed a target will be on her back and I don't think she's ready yet. Caroline is mentality strong but she needs to add some aggression to her game. If not, she'll always be at the mercy of a power player.

If you all know what the rankings are. How the ranking is calculated, WTF do we then need thread after thread here on TF discussing Carolines ranking? All those Caro threads are always opened by a Caroline hater; never a fan. Caro :hearts: :worship:

-NAJ-
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Stop bashing Wozniacki. She is great for tour!

Aaric
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:22 PM
Better boring than stupid/brainless

madmax
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:22 PM
I've said this many times, and I'll repeat it again - it doesn't matter what Pushniacki's ranking is, she is still not taken seriously by any top players, as she is unable to do any damage when facing top hitters in women's game...the ones she is regularly beating are mediocre bunch of mentally unstable headcases...She can whore those tourney's all she wants, but she still doesn't have a Tier I quality title to her name. That says a lot about her ability to prosper on the biggest stage of the sport - she is just not good enough...

Renalicious
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:29 PM
^ Yeah, I even talked about her at some random chatting thread :sobbing:

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: hi
Stranger: asl
You: hi
You: 10 female denmark
You: not 10
You: 19
Stranger: on nice
Stranger: ok
Stranger: 21 m
You: good
You: do you know that my job is a pusher?
Stranger: what
Stranger: pusher mean?
You: pushing
You: my name is caroline wozniacki
Stranger: nice name
You: i love to push
You: some people even nicknamed me pushniacki
Stranger: oh i love to intake pushes
Stranger: r u there?
You: yeah
You: im chatting from my death bed
Stranger: r u ill?
You: yeah very ill
You: but i can still push
You: i can't live without it
Stranger: oh ... pray the got to save ur life
You: well he did
You: ask my friend Maria Kirilenko
You: i was ill but i bet her to death yesterday
You: beat
Stranger: oh god... i think now u r i sad condition
Your conversational partner has disconnected.

:haha:

Omg Omegle. :tears:

Renalicious
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:35 PM
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: hi
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Stranger: +asl?
You: 19/F/Denmark
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You: Yesss indeed
You: You know Caroline Wozniacki?
Stranger: mmm..no, who is she?
You: She is a pusher God.
You: She pushes until people die... just look at Maria Kirilenko...
Stranger: What means pusher?
You: Someone who loops a tennis ball to the moon and loops the other person to death.

Julian.
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:38 PM
^ Oh no you didn't! :haha::spit:

Princess Fiona
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:45 PM
I'll admit that I haven't seen much tennis this year (I miss Eurosport :sad: ) and I'll also admit that I haven't seen Wozniacki play too much, and not for AGES (well, since last year sometime?) *holding up hand* but I don't understand how someone who supposedly just keeps the ball in court, has no serve, hits lots of moonballs etc can be at #2 in world, has wins over top players, has Grand Slam final etc etc etc... :) Again, I haven't seen much tennis/Wozniacki but this genuinely confuses me. Hmmm...

Wozniacki seems like a nice girl, personable, she's very pretty, she seems articulate, I haven't heard any horror stories about her being heinous to fans or anything - she's certainly not bad for WTA tour in that respect...

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 29th, 2010, 01:50 PM
I don't understand how someone who supposedly just keeps the ball in court, has no serve, hits lots of moonballs etc can be at #2 in world, has wins over top players, has Grand Slam final etc etc etc...

That's WTA-2009/2010 for ya.

Ryan
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:10 PM
How does Caro have "no serve"? I understand that people genuinely dislike her style of tennis, but one of her strengths is that she has a good, consistent first serve, and a reliable (ie not a ton of doublefaults) second serve. So I understand its the norm to bash Caro and everything about her tennis, but we should at least be consistent in assessing certain skills - her serve is by no means below average.

And I understand why people get annoyed with commentators constantly praising Caro, but, don't you think part of it is that they're appealing to the "average" viewer who doesn't know the intricacies of the ranking system?

How BAD would it look if they bashed the #2 ranked player in the world, day in and day out? Worse than if they heap praise on her, applaud her tactics (when, as much as I love Caro, aren't much better than a BBB - just different), and hail her as the "next big thing" or whatever. They've got to keep people tuned in to tennis, and since they can't control when/if Caro wins matches....might as well jump on the bandwagon to a certain extent.

And one of the things Caro excels at, is her mental strength. Thats something that rarely translates onto a stats sheet - but after awhile, with all these infinitely "more" talented players losing to her again and again...you have to give her credit at some point, otherwise things just don't add up.

But, its an excellent study in human denial - people would much rather bash EVERYONE ELSE on tour, than give a little bit of credit to Wozniacki, to explain why/how she beats so many players.

WozLolz
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:33 PM
:D Caroline rocks. :worship:

I haven't been into tennis since the days of Monica. Caroline makes me want to watch tennis again.:inlove::couple: :hearts: Not only because she's super cute/nice/adorable/sunshiney, but because she actually hits the ball in between the lines and over the net consistently.:lick: How freakin' awful.:rolleyes:

Larrybidd
Mar 29th, 2010, 02:55 PM
OK, first of all its not true she has no serve. Her 1st serve speed is well better than average. But more to the point, Hell no - she not bad for the sport. She clearly talented if not flashy and she wins. There are players who fit that description in every sport and it a great thing, because it shows us all there is more than one way to win.

PLP
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:05 PM
It's smart tennis to keep the ball IN. I think that's what most players have forgotten, and Caro just keeps getting it in. She does have a decent amount of power and her serve is strong. It's a misconception that she has no power, and I like the few points in matches that she throws in really high loopy balls. She isn't the only player to do that, and quite often her opponent doesn't know how to handle them...smart indeed, and not BAD for the tour, just for incompetent players.
Sorry, :tape:

wally1
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:20 PM
She does have a decent amount of power and her serve is strong. It's a misconception that she has no power, and I like the few points in matches that she throws in really high loopy balls.I agree with this bit. Wozniacki's serve is actually pretty good, and she can hit the ball fairly hard, particularly on the backhand - it's just that she doesn't go for the lines (and therefore outright winners) very often, but hits with a good margin for error.

I feel there's many ways to beat Wozniacki - overpower her from the baseline, bring her into the net, go to the net yourself, but most WTA players are so limited technically and/or mentally that keeping the ball in play is generally good enough for her. Witness the Kirilenko match, where Wozniacki was helpless in the face of smart tactics and great net play in the first set, until Kirilenko imploded mentally and either went for stupid winners or tried to outsteady Wozniacki from the baseline.

She's doing a very good job of showing how poor, brainless and one-dimensional most of the play on the WTA is, and all credit to her.

missvarsha
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:25 PM
No, no one who has the potential to popularize the sport in a country where it was previously minor can possibly be bad for it.
I guess people are so enamored of BigBabeTennis that any player who doesn't bash the ball as hard as possible on every single point becomes a horrible player - em, no.

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:27 PM
From reading this thread you would think you get to #2 by having no game at all

Spartan
Mar 29th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Wozniacki isn't bad for the tour. If anything the other top players who are underperforming are bad for it. Caroline has been one of the most consistent players over the last year, so credit to her for getting to number 2.

As someone's already said though, she's not the second best player in the world and i don't even see how you can argue she is. Several players are injured or in bad form who would otherwise be ranked higher than her, but it doesn't make her a better player than they are. I mean, she's had a few good wins but just look at her record against Serena/Venus/Clijsters/Jankovic/Safina/Sharapova.

Basically, she's taken advantage of the situation and I don't think it's fair to criticise her for that, but she's not in the same league as these players - it's just that they're unfortunately injured/underperforming at the moment and that's what's bad for womens tennis. It's actually nice to see a player in Wozniacki who can go out there without self imploding, but if she was around ten years ago, there's no way she'd be anywhere near 2 in the world.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 29th, 2010, 04:56 PM
From reading this thread you would think you get to #2 by having no game at all

Precisely my impression from watching Wozniacki's matches.

SoClose
Mar 29th, 2010, 04:59 PM
I don't have a problem with her being somewhere around 20-25 (where she belongs), but I have A BIG PROBLEM WITH HER BEING NUMBER 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Gdsimmons
Mar 29th, 2010, 05:10 PM
I don't think she's 'bad' for the tour but she damn sure isn't good for the tour. I mean good for her being #2, but she only got there by A) playing damn near every week and B) because Safina is injured and can't defend all her points.
Its raining right now and watching the rain is more interesting that watching Wozniacki. She is just boring beyond anything! Nothing special at all.
I feel like she's a lucky lady, but I think eventually her luck will run out

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 05:11 PM
If you were in the final of the USO, Madrid and IW, and the YEC SF, 20-25 is a little under ranked.
Just a little. And if there are so many players better, then dont be losing 06 16 at the AO and to Alisa at IW.

RenaSlam.
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:05 PM
I simply can't watch her anymore.

Monzanator
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Wozniacki isn't bad for the tour. If anything the other top players who are underperforming are bad for it.

This :worship:

Almost all the other Top 10 players or candidates are either mentally fragile, perenially injured, far from their best form, over the hill or have too many points to make up and Wozniacki has neither of those cons under her belt as we speak. And that makes the all important difference. Playing style is irrelevant no matter how bad response Wozniacki gets over here ;) Consistency is the name of the game, even if it's a consistency in pushing :lol: :tape:

Midnight_Robber
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:37 PM
Well...the fact that her game annoys and bores me to tears means that I don't want to watch her. Which, is a whole separate issue from her ranking or whether or not she's good or bad for the tour. (Fortunately, the viability of the tour doesn't rest on who I personally would want to watch.)

I don't think Wozniacki is 'bad' for the sport. There should be room for all types of players and styles. However I do think that the commentary that surrounds her - the commentary that praises her every shot - no matter how low in quality or average - with alacrity, that dubs the ordinary or routine as 'exceptional' and desperately pushes the meme that she is a more varied, tactical, powerful player than she actually is; and all this, even while she's being visibly played off the ground and plays such repetitive tennis that even 'mere' casual' fans will eventually pick up on it - isn't doing women's tennis any favours.

She has a good serve (clean, accurate, with some power), her solid consistency is a great weapon actually, as is her ability to keep her head under pressure. (Serena may be a far higher caliber of player, but I find it interesting that she identifies some of these qualities in Caro and sees her as a future champion...just as she predicted that the Chinese players were on the rise long before it was visible.)

But they'd do better praising her for the strengths she has, rather than pretending that her game is other than what it is, I feel.

Apoleb
Mar 29th, 2010, 07:41 PM
If they can't beat her then she's not bad for the tour.

End of.

moby
Mar 29th, 2010, 08:11 PM
However I do think that the commentary that surrounds her - the commentary that praises her every shot - no matter how low in quality or average - with alacrity, that dubs the ordinary or routine as 'exceptional' and desperately pushes the meme that she is a more varied, tactical, powerful player than she actually is; and all this, even while she's being visibly played off the ground and plays such repetitive tennis that even 'mere' casual' fans will eventually pick up on it - isn't doing women's tennis any favours... But they'd do better praising her for the strengths she has, rather than pretending that her game is other than what it is, I feel.I have heard no such commentary, to be honest. Every match I've watch of hers (about 5 matches or so), the commentators have gone on about how she's too passive and lacks variety in her game. Her pusherific consistency and mental strength is her shtick. Usually commentators give their opinions on how losing players can turn around the match - not so for Wozniacki. In the IW final against JJ, the commentators called her out on her lack of variety and ability to play any kind of aggression and pretty much said, well, that's it, there's nothing she can do to turn the match around.

She isn't bad for the tour by any means. Let's face it - a lot of people who watch women's tennis are interested in it for the glamour, the looks, and not so much for the tennis. Wozniacki, with her stereotypically blonde Nordic (although she really is of Polish stock) looks, fits the bill of the nubile young upstart.

As for her tennis... well, she'll force the other players to get better. It doesn't say much about them if they can't beat a "pusher". The evolution of the Wozniacki, Radwanska class of players is a natural progression in the game that takes advantage of the 1984-1987 generation of women and their no-point-construction all-out-ball-bashing.

Before the 2009 season, I predicted Wozniacki would be the next big thing, based solely on her results in the preceding years and the trajectory of her career. Then I watched her play and had a WTF moment. Turns out that my initial assessment was correct. She is clearly doing something right. It just doesn't look good.

Noctis
Mar 29th, 2010, 08:15 PM
money wise not tennis.

Vikapower
Mar 29th, 2010, 08:28 PM
Another question remains: How did she rise to # 2 in the world???
:lol: The most intelligent thing Caroline has done in her career right now is understand the system.:worship: From 23rd Dec. 2006 the rankings changed into some accumulative system to favorise participation and there for players who played lots of tourneys can get a higher ranking than the lazier ones. That fallacious point of view could be discussed... Its not her fault with the WTA rankings and the top players failures but still hers to have profited of the system in such ways with such holes in her game plan. :lol:

thrust
Mar 29th, 2010, 08:39 PM
I don't think she's 'bad' for the tour but she damn sure isn't good for the tour. I mean good for her being #2, but she only got there by A) playing damn near every week and B) because Safina is injured and can't defend all her points.
Its raining right now and watching the rain is more interesting that watching Wozniacki. She is just boring beyond anything! Nothing special at all.
I feel like she's a lucky lady, but I think eventually her luck will run out

Are you really this stupid, or perhaps, only 11 years old?

manu32
Mar 29th, 2010, 09:04 PM
yes she is bad and her play even more

terjw
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:00 PM
I can feel your pain all through the keyboard.

Caro :hearts:

:lol::lol:
They are still huffing and puffing and whining about Caro - even more so when she wins. For someone who is supposedly boring everyone away from following women's tennis and who nobody will watch - there seems to be an awful amount of interest and threads and posts about her and people following her matches.

TennisFan66
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:15 PM
:lol::lol:
They are still huffing and puffing and whining about Caro - even more so when she wins. For someone who is supposedly boring everyone away from following women's tennis and who nobody will watch - there seems to be an awful amount of interest and threads and posts about her and people following her matches.

Indeed. I think its called a conundrum :lol:

Gdsimmons
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:17 PM
Are you really this stupid, or perhaps, only 11 years old?

Glad to see you being a mature adult about the situation :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Myggen
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:35 PM
I don't like the way she plays tennis, but I think she is very good for the tour. Simply because the only way to beat her is to attack her and this promotes offensive tennis. It is not enough to be solid against her which we saw against Radwanska in Indian Wells. Of course, power players who are bleeding errors will not stay long on court against her, so you need control and power to beat her which will lead to better tennis matches.

terjw
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:40 PM
Wozniacki isn't bad for the tour. If anything the other top players who are underperforming are bad for it. Caroline has been one of the most consistent players over the last year, so credit to her for getting to number 2.

As someone's already said though, she's not the second best player in the world and i don't even see how you can argue she is. Several players are injured or in bad form who would otherwise be ranked higher than her, but it doesn't make her a better player than they are. I mean, she's had a few good wins but just look at her record against Serena/Venus/Clijsters/Jankovic/Safina/Sharapova.

Basically, she's taken advantage of the situation and I don't think it's fair to criticise her for that, but she's not in the same league as these players - it's just that they're unfortunately injured/underperforming at the moment and that's what's bad for womens tennis. It's actually nice to see a player in Wozniacki who can go out there without self imploding, but if she was around ten years ago, there's no way she'd be anywhere near 2 in the world.

I'm not sure injury is the reason other players are underperforming. Serena is injured but she's above Caro in the rankings. The only player who would probably be above Caro but for injury is Dinara - and I'm not sure about even that sice she was becoming a right headcase at the end of last year. The rest of them just don't play at their best most of the time.

I suppose there's Masha - but it's been so long now. There must be doubt now whether she ever be top 5 let alone #2 again.

The players below Caro that interest me at the moment though are Jelena and Venus. If Venus can sustain her recent form - although we are coming up to clay - she will overtake Caro and claim the #2 spot. But that's a big if - to take it and keep it - especially with the clay season upon us.

The other player is Jelena if she can maintain how she's been playing since the start of IW. She's playing back to her best since the end of 2008 and playing like this - there's not a single thing that Caro does that Jelena doesn't do better and all without taking wild risks.

To answer the question. Caro is great for the tour and she supports it. Gives her all, doesn't pull out at the slightest excuse, and most af all doesn't deafen everyone and shriek like a banjee

Chakvenus
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:41 PM
i don't like her game at all, not one bit, but i don't see her as destructive for the tour. she's just another player who lacks real variety or pace and needs to be BEATEN, and won't really self-destruct because she simply CANT.

Andrew Laeddis
Mar 29th, 2010, 10:49 PM
The more talented players ranked beneath her who have trouble keeping the ball in court on a consistent basis are bad for the tour.

Stevecw
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:09 PM
Her game is pretty boring yes, with very few winners + those damn moonballs she loves!! :mad:

But If the question is if she is good for the WTA tour, yes of course she is despite her game. She is really good looking girl and to have someone like her near top of rankings will always attract sponsers and more male fans to the womans game.

Ok that match yesterday was probably not great standard...but why did US tv & Eurosport choose it as only one to show, because Caro is cute and Kirilenko is probably best looking girl on the WTA so they knew it would get viewers.

Hot players get the sponsors and tv viewers...and the more that are near top of the game the better for WTA. Kinda sad, but its true!!

I bet the WTA and sponsors would love to have Caro, Makiri, Ivanovic, Sharapova + Williams sis plus 2 more in most qf to get in the viewers in most tourneys!!

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:22 PM
Wozniacki brought illiterate fans to this sport

Bad for the game in my opinion

omoruyi
Mar 30th, 2010, 03:06 AM
She should get her own 'Caro-smiley' on TF as this place seems to revolve around her.
and her face actually does look like the smilin' sun! such a cutie pie really ~ :kiss:

Volcana
Mar 30th, 2010, 05:21 AM
Nobody would care if she was # 76 in the rankings but there is a girl at # 2 in the world without a serve and not doing anything than waiting for the opponent's errors.At some point, you have to ask yourself if the problem is that YOU can't see what's she's doing, not that she isn't doing anything.

That IS a perfectly sound explanation for why you can't see that she's doing anything.

Navratil
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:06 AM
You got it all wrong. She is neither good nor bad "for the tour". Her current position is precisely the indication of how (bad?) the tour is at the moment and how you need to play to get to the top. So, it's not Wozniacki, but the tour, that is bad or good.

That's the point: Wozniacki is the indicator how bad the tour is right now! And that's not fair because players like Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova etc. are way better than her but didn't play a full season. :tape:

It's nothing against Caroline: She's doing the right think! She's lucky to be at the top and she's unlucky to get all this critciism for it. :angel:

People were talking the same when Arantxa was at the top in the 90ties. But Arantxa was a fantastic maneuverer with great skills at the net and was still attact because of her defense game. The same would have happen with Agnieska Radwanska if she was # 2 in the world. But we don't wanna think about that... :fiery:

Also the same happens to all these overweight players. It would not be good for the reputation of the tour if Kleybanova or Bartoli were # 1 + 2 in the world. Thank good that will never happen. :help:

Navratil
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:09 AM
At some point, you have to ask yourself if the problem is that YOU can't see what's she's doing, not that she isn't doing anything.

That IS a perfectly sound explanation for why you can't see that she's doing anything.

That is a matter of proportionality! She is # 2 in the world!
Of course she serves better than my mum - I assure I can see that - but for her standard her serve is horrible.

(Sorry mum)
;)

fantic
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:15 AM
The more talented players ranked beneath her who have trouble keeping the ball in court on a consistent basis are bad for the tour.

THIS! :yeah:

Apoleb
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:16 AM
She should get her own 'Caro-smiley' on TF as this place seems to revolve around her.
and her face actually does look like the smilin' sun! such a cutie pie really ~ :kiss:

She is NOT "sunshine." :rolleyes: I can't believe she keeps fooling people with her fake "nice and sweet" persona. In reality, she will do anything to get a win. Like faking hysterics on court or taking ridiculous breaks while being trashed by Li Na (not to mention boring people to death). I think she's evil, and she's probably not even aware of it. Only Aga comes close to her in terms of nastiness (though not up with her), so no wonder they're friends.

PMBH
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:25 AM
Apoleb, you're really weird...

Betten
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:28 AM
I think she's evil

I knew it!

Other schemes where she's probably involved in:

- the Isrealian/Pakistani conflicts
- the economical crisis
- the famine in Africa
- global warming
...

C. W. Fields
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:34 AM
Wozniacki brought illiterate fans to this sport

Bad for the game in my opinion

I'd say she has far more illitterate haters!

Apoleb
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:43 AM
I knew it!

Other schemes where she's probably involved in:

- the Isrealian/Pakistani conflicts
- the economical crisis
- the famine in Africa
- global warming
...

Global warming is a little beyond her control though. But she does try to warm the planet by expanding energy on endless points.

Jeff
Mar 30th, 2010, 07:55 AM
Wozniacki is a talented player, but commentators are always talking about how she is still growing as a player, still needs to improve her game to defeat certain players when they are on their game etc. etc. Whenever I hear this, this is when I think...should this type of talk occur when talking about someone ranked #2 in the world :confused:

Rankings are rankings, but in women's tennis these days, #2 isn't really defined as being the second most likely person to win a top level event. That is the bad part, although it's not Wozniacki's fault, it's the majority of the players on tours' fault for lacking confidence and/or consistency throughout the year.

TennisFan66
Mar 30th, 2010, 12:27 PM
She's great for the game.

She's bad for jealous gay men who frequent message boards and wished they had a v@gina.

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

vwfan
Mar 30th, 2010, 12:33 PM
She's great for the tour. She's Kim before her first Grand Slam--likeable and consistent, but no threat for a major.

Will she ever get one? probably!

Navratil
Apr 1st, 2010, 07:24 AM
I got to admit that it wasn't that bad in the Henin match. She really pushed Henin. She's young - so she will still raise her game.

But the fact that Henin still won it, is proof that Wozniacki is not the real # 2. At least Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova and Venus Williams should be ahead of her.

TennisFan66
Apr 1st, 2010, 08:15 AM
I got to admit that it wasn't that bad in the Henin match. She really pushed Henin. She's young - so she will still raise her game.

But the fact that Henin still won it, is proof that Wozniacki is not the real # 2. At least Clijsters, Henin, Sharapova and Venus Williams should be ahead of her.

Being ranked No 2 in the world is not necessarily the same as having the No 2 'peak' tennis game. FFS is there ANYONE on a tennis forum, who doesn't understand that? But apparently there is, since very few seems to actually understand what the WTA ranking list is telling you.

I really do like Masha. She is the real comeback/fairy tale for me. Just a shame she's now injured herself again :( .. For that reason, you cannot argue Masha should be in the top 5. At her peak, yes, but now? .. With such argument, 2xMartina should be in top 5 too. Steffi obviously.

You may argue that a certain player should be top 5, but if age or injury or whatever prevents it, its just so pointless. I'm gonna go howl at the moon.

Caro :hearts: :worship: :bounce:

is1531
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:17 AM
When she plays Kirilenko or Wozniak, I just shut off the TV. Caroline actually looked angry losing to Henin walking off the court. Her style of play will not be a big draw for tennis, but she makes good money as PUSHWOZNIACKI.

TheItalianStyle
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:40 AM
She is a really good player, she is just 19 and can improve a lot, still.

She has to improve especially her forehand but I think she has the talent to make a lot of good things.

Probably she doesn't deserve to be number 2, now, but she isn't absolutely bad for WTA

Hardiansf
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:51 AM
Caroline is fine. She's good. :)
I don't mind either with her being #2 in WTA ranking. Everybody knows that WTA #2 doesn't mean that she is the 2nd best player in the world.
But to think that (maybe) in RG she will get a seed at #2... I mean, really? At a SLAM??? :rolleyes::o:mad::fiery::tape::help:. The draw will be a completely mess :sad:

Setsuna.
Apr 1st, 2010, 11:56 AM
The most boring female tennis player of all time!
she is #2! i guess that tells why WTA is a joke in the recent years.

tea
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:32 PM
The most boring female tennis player of all time!
she is #2! i guess that tells why WTA is a joke in the recent years.
Believe me or not, you are the first one here who says this brilliant and original thought.
Stop following this joke, there're so many real sports around.:hug:

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:35 PM
It was the same with Safina, who is now injured.
If Caro stays healthy, you're going to see a lot of her, and deep in draws.
She has done well on every surface. She is the Eastbourne champion, Madrid, USO finalist.
She will play a lot and get points.

Ofen
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:38 PM
I think she is not bad for WTA.

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 12:49 PM
The most boring female tennis player of all time!
she is #2! i guess that tells why WTA is a joke in the recent years.I want those players near the top of your sig to copy Caroline.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:48 PM
. She is the Eastbourne champion

Big title

changel
Apr 1st, 2010, 03:51 PM
The most boring female tennis player of all time!
she is #2! i guess that tells why WTA is a joke in the recent years.

Agreed

Navratil
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:02 PM
Agreed


At least she is not ugly or overweight :lol:

changel
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:13 PM
At least she is not ugly or overweight :lol:

As far as I'm concerned, only tennis matter and she is bad.

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:18 PM
Big title

And to think, we laughed at Dinara "she won Rome and Madrid" Safina when in a couple of months we'll get a new number one whose biggest achievements are Eastbourne and New Haven titles.

Gdsimmons
Apr 1st, 2010, 04:57 PM
And to think, we laughed at Dinara "she won Rome and Madrid" Safina when in a couple of months we'll get a new number one whose biggest achievements are Eastbourne and New Haven titles.

She won't be number one. No way in hell.

soul
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:05 PM
The most boring female tennis player of all time!
she is #2! i guess that tells why WTA is a joke in the recent years.

Her tennis doesn't give any joy; especialy that moon balls:mad:

goldenlox
Apr 1st, 2010, 05:31 PM
I saw Dementieva lose to Radwanska, then Caro easily beat Aga.
I enjoyed her style. Aga had no clue what to do.

flareon
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:10 PM
Ok shes not the best in the world but lets look what she has done for tennis denmark. She is a huge star there and they love her. They even have their own WTA tournament this year. So she may not be brilliant but you all forget she is only 19!!!!!! Yes 19 and she has so many years left in her. She can play really well and she proved that last night against Justine. Ok so she maybe over ranked at the moment but say 2-3 years and shes no 2 she will fit in nicely there. She is a breath of fresh air and she is pretty and has a great personality on court she even smiles when she makes a mistake she has a wonderful smile and i was lucky enough to see her in that eastbourne final. She interacts with the crowd well and she just enjoys it. So In my own opinon it is too strong to say she is bad for the WTA.

kman
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:13 PM
And to think, we laughed at Dinara "she won Rome and Madrid" Safina when in a couple of months we'll get a new number one whose biggest achievements are Eastbourne and New Haven titles.

If Caro is number one in a "couple of months" it's because she won French Open 2010 so there...

KV
Apr 1st, 2010, 06:15 PM
About selling tickets yes.

BlueTrees
May 27th, 2011, 03:07 PM
Yes.

eck
May 27th, 2011, 03:09 PM
If Caro is number one in a "couple of months" it's because she won French Open 2010 so there...

Really?

Emina.
May 27th, 2011, 03:10 PM
Her tennis doesn't give any joy

+1

azinna
May 27th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Caro isn't at all bad for the tour. Just the poor form and absence of the era's greats.

Renalicious
May 27th, 2011, 03:12 PM
:hysteric:

GoofyDuck
May 27th, 2011, 03:14 PM
If Caro is number one in a "couple of months" it's because she won French Open 2010 so there...

Hilarous :haha:

-NAJ-
May 27th, 2011, 03:16 PM
She is good for WTA.

Root
May 27th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Dead at all the bumped threads. GM. :hysteric:

longtin23
May 27th, 2011, 03:17 PM
Why boring tennis cannot be accepted? I can say strong tennis like Kvitova is boring too.

Root
May 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Why boring tennis cannot be accepted? I can say strong tennis like Kvitova is boring too.

:spit: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Mistress of Evil
May 27th, 2011, 03:19 PM
Dead at all the bumped threads. GM. :hysteric:

Karolina will bitch slap all the haters :cheer: she will regroup like a cockroach and strike back :rocler2: