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AnywhereButHome
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:53 PM
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00523/Tatiana_Golovin_523193a.jpg

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http://hotbeautifultennisbabes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/20774785.gif

Craig.
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Tuti, where are you? :lol:

Julian.
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Tatiana Golovin, Tuti will rock this thread :rolls:

Uranium
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Looks - Golovin.
Tennis - Golovin.

Golovin when on and healthy, was a great player. Especially during that 2007 Fall Season and even parts of 2006.

Dodoboy.
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Caro, by a LONG shot!

Dunlop1
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:58 PM
I much prefer Tati's brand of tennis and I truly believe that she is a better player than Caro and her results and ranking would have mirrored or have been better than Caro's had she not been bothered with constant injuries.

AnywhereButHome
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Caro, by a LONG shot!

:haha:

Elwin.
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:59 PM
Golovin, when her game was on she definetly was top3 level.

Nikkiri
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:02 PM
Random :lol:

The Dawntreader
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:03 PM
Golovin looks positively flairsome in comparison to Wozniacki. Even discounting her clunky, rigid looking serve and contorted forehand technique. Much more immediate weaponry.

Wozniacki certainly trumps her in opportunism though. Golovin's inconsistent Slam record is living proof.

WozLolz
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:06 PM
:lol: This makes WozLolz lol. :lol:
Tis one thing to not like someone, or how they play. Tis another to allow that dislike (or whatever it is) to completely eradicate one's objectivity. Yes, I believe it's called deluded behavior. Enjoy.
Go, Caro, go! :hearts:

Justin SW
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:07 PM
Wozniacki is the best
Tatiana is (was) the most talented of the two

A'DAM
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:11 PM
Caro achived much more than Tati ( and yes Tati was all the time injured but still it is a fact that Caro achived much more)

stino
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:13 PM
Tati! I really liked the way she played. She wasn't as consistant as Caro when the French woman was Caro's age, but Golovin is/was more talented. How I wish one day she will return to the tenniscourts :s

TennisFan66
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:17 PM
Another Caro vote thing. I started looking under the players forum here, but quickly found out it was somewhat pointless, as a vast part of all talk in the GM is about Caroline.

The haterz need to seek :help:. Professional :help:.

miffedmax
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:20 PM
Tati never even came close to getting on track the way Caro has, and since she's retired "is" is hardly the right verb here.

Tati was certainly more fun to watch, but Caro's certainly got something going for her in terms of her fitness and durability.

It's a shame because this could have been a fascinating rivalry.

(Tati would have so been in LOB even though she's a fake).

Sexysova
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Tati, when she was injury-free and on it was pleasure to watch her, I really miss her a lot, she was TOP 5 material :bigcry:

she was better in everything than Caro except of movement and mental toughness..

Slutati
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Lucky Caro getting compared to Tati. :lol:

Golovin of course, the only right answer.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:30 PM
Golovina and it´s not even close

Marshmallow
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:31 PM
My vote goes to the Voluptuous Tatiana GoneLovin. Real shame what's happened to her... is she ever coming back? If not for injuries, this might very well have been her time to shine :awww: She had a lot of game.

JJ's biatch
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Golovin :sobbing: :crying2:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:42 PM
The Woz looks bosomy in that pic :drool:

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 28th, 2010, 06:48 PM
Another Caro vote thing. I started looking under the players forum here, but quickly found out it was somewhat pointless, as a vast part of all talk in the GM is about Caroline.

The haterz need to seek :help:. Professional :help:.

Sweetie, if you want some Caroline worship threads, then head back to the BBC forums :kiss:

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:20 PM
What a silly thread! :spit: One of the crimes of tennis is that the last match Tati played was a loss to Wozniacki. Fucked up back or no fucked up back, no wonder she hasn't played since then. :haha:


I'm glad there are some people still here with their heads screwed on. I'm the optimistic Tati fan so I still have hope that one day she'll come back. Contray to popular belief she is a really hard worker and loves tennis so i'm sure if there's the slimmest chance that she could play tennis again she'd try her best to make it happen.


But yes Tati is better by FARRR. Looks, charisma, game, entertainment, hips, sluttiness. The only Caroline > Tati things are forehead and backhand. :rolls:
Lucky Caro getting compared to Tati. :lol:

Golovin of course, the only right answer.
Agreed!
Sweetie, if you want some Caroline worship threads, then head back to the BBC forums :kiss:
:haha:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuf0zlV6D6w#t=02m15s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuf0zlV6D6w&t=02m15s)


Happy easter! 3 year anniversary. :bigcry:

Aaron.
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:22 PM
Well Golovin was the more talented of the two but Caro is more consistent. I dont think Golovin would have reached a slam final IMO :shrug:

ptitnavet
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Well Golovin was the more talented of the two but Caro is more consistent. I dont think Golovin would have reached a slam final IMO :shrug:

Golovin could have reach a slam final if she had continued to play until nowadays.
Wozniacki couldn't have reach a slam final if WTA tennis level was the same than 3-4 years ago, the level was way higher than nowadays

tennisbum79
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:39 PM
They are not in the same league, with all due respect to T.Golovin.
Caro has more accomplishments.
Golovin raised expectation at the begining and has yet to live up to a fraction of those early promises.

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:39 PM
Golovin could have reach a slam final if she had continued to play until nowadays.
Wozniacki couldn't have reach a slam final if WTA tennis level was the same than 3-4 years ago, the level was way higher than nowadays
Preach!

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:44 PM
They are not in the same league, with all due respect to T.Golovin.
Caro has more accomplishments.
Golovin raised expectation at the begining and has yet to live up to a fraction of those early promises.
Did you miss the memo about her being injured for over 2 years now? :happy:

Joana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:45 PM
Golovin could have reach a slam final if she had continued to play until nowadays.


If something had happened to Vaidisova after RG '06 and she had to quit tennis there and then, by now people would be saying she would have been the next Steffi Graf.

Golovin certainly had more "game", whatever it means. The thing is, Wozniacki isn't losing in first rounds of Slams to the likes of Cohen-Aloro.

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:50 PM
If something had happened to Vaidisova after RG '06 and she had to quit tennis there and then, by now people would be saying she would have been the next Steffi Graf.

Golovin certainly had more "game", whatever it means. The thing is, Wozniacki isn't losing in first rounds of Slams to the likes of Cohen-Aloro.
Wozniacki hasn't been playing in slams with ankylosing spondilitis! :happy:


Oh I don't think Tati lost to Cohen-Aloro anyway. FatRolle was the really bad slam loss at the USO 07. :lol: But it also gave her the kick up the ass she needed for her to play so well after it.

tennisbum79
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Did you miss the memo about her being injured for over 2 years now? :happy:
Injured or not, we are considering on court accomplishments to answer this question.

VIKA?
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:52 PM
TATI:bowdown:

Slutati
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:53 PM
The thing is, Wozniacki isn't losing in first rounds of Slams to the likes of Cohen-Aloro.
Golovin never lost to Cohen-Aloro either. :wavey:

Noctis
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:53 PM
Tati

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Injured or not, we are considering on court accomplishments to answer this question.
Thread title says who is better not who is more accomplished.. Even i'm in no delusions about who is more accomplished.

Joana
Mar 28th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Oh I don't think Tati lost to Cohen-Aloro anyway. FatRolle was the really bad slam loss at the USO 07. :lol: But it also gave her the kick up the ass she needed for her to play so well after it.

Actually, I was thinking of her loss to Santangelo, I had forgotten about Ahsha Rolle. Seriously, WTF was that.

The Daviator
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:04 PM
Golovin, when her game was on she definetly was top3 level.

Based on what? One set against Henin? It's so annoying that all these claims are made about Golovin and there's nothing to back them up :o

Golovin could have reach a slam final if she had continued to play until nowadays.
Wozniacki couldn't have reach a slam final if WTA tennis level was the same than 3-4 years ago, the level was way higher than nowadays

I'm pretty sure Ahsha Rolle would have prevented this :hug:

Wozniacki is better, 6 titles and a Slam final >>>>> a few nice matches here and there.

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Based on what? One set against Henin? It's so annoying that all these claims are made about Golovin and there's nothing to back them up :o



I'm pretty sure Ahsha Rolle would have prevented this :hug:

Wozniacki is better, 6 titles and a Slam final >>>>> a few nice matches here and there.
Based on her game. :shrug: It was more than just a few matches here and there, it's just that practically every time she got going and started to play great tennis, there was yet another injury. :shrug:

The Rolle loss was a hilarious mess of course but she always took really long to start playing well after being out with injury and it was the kick up the ass she needed to start playing great tennis. :shrug:


Anyway this is boring now so i'll just leave you all with this:

IPzdojd5K6c

Tatiana Golovin, everyone! :inlove:

WowWow
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:13 PM
Tati:drool:

Joana
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Based on what? One set against Henin? It's so annoying that all these claims are made about Golovin and there's nothing to back them up :o



It's always the same with those young players who show early promise and than stall or get injured. With time, their abilities gain almost mythical proportions. Kournikova would have been a world beater if not for the thumb injury or whatever, Vaidisova was the GOAT in the making when she saw Radek's erection through his pants etc. The point is, everyone deals with distractions and injuries, those who are really good overcome them, those who are not don't and that's it.
Although, to be fair, Golovin did struggle with injuries more than most.

The Daviator
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:17 PM
Based on her game. :shrug: It was more than just a few matches here and there, it's just that practically every time she got going and started to play great tennis, there was yet another injury. :shrug:

The Rolle loss was a hilarious mess of course but she always took really long to start playing well after being out with injury and it was the kick up the ass she needed to start playing great tennis. :shrug:


Anyway this is boring now so i'll just leave you all with this:

IPzdojd5K6c

Tatiana Golovin, everyone! :inlove:

You can say that about any player, it's so subjective, where are the results?! It's insulting to a player like Wozniacki who has actually won several titles to just say someone is better because of 'their game', with such a great game as you say, I would have expected her to win more than a Tier II and a Tier IV.

And with all those injuries, she missed just one Slam between AO 04 and AO 08.

tennisbum79
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:22 PM
Thread title says who is better not who is more accomplished.. Even i'm in no delusions about who is more accomplished.
That is not being better if there nothing to show for it.

That is potential.
Ana Kournikova had potential too.
And that is how she ended her career.. with potentials

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Overwhelming advantage for Golovina so far

The Dawntreader
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:44 PM
I agree with The Daviator and Slutiana in part.

It's clear Golovin had much more game, at least aesthetically. Make no mistake, Golovin's game was hardly a delight for me to watch, but had more palapable strengths that made her less of a mis-match against elite players. She also had palapable weaknesses too, but that is a seperate thread:lol:

What the Daviator says is also true- there's NOTHING to suggest Golovin was top 3 material. Certainly top 10, but where was the indications that she would ever become an elitequality player capable of playing at a ridiculously high level, week in week out? People rave about her late '07 form which was impressive in its own right, but to lose to Rolle and Rezai in consecutive Grand Slams. Hardly screams top 3 to me. Even her game didn't suggest this IMO.

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:47 PM
I agree with The Daviator and Slutiana in part.

It's clear Golovin had much more game, at least aesthetically. Make no mistake, Golovin's game was hardly a delight for me to watch, but had more palapable strengths that made her less of a mis-match against elite players. She also had palapable weaknesses too, but that is a seperate thread:lol:

What the Daviator says is also true- there's NOTHING to suggest Golovin was top 3 material. Certainly top 10, but where was the indications that she would ever become an elitequality player capable of playing at a ridiculously high level, week in week out? People rave about her late '07 form which was impressive in its own right, but to lose to Rolle and Rezai in consecutive Grand Slams. Hardly screams top 3 to me. Even her game didn't suggest this IMO.

Why don't you like her forehand technique? I always loved it!

goldenlox
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Caro is the current #2 and the USO finalist.
No comparison.

The Dawntreader
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Why don't you like her forehand technique? I always loved it!

Never looked fluid. Always looked static when she wasn't looking to go inside-out.

Golovin's game has never look very well-structured. Certain parts of her game really outshine others. Her backhand and serve are like night and day.

Vanity Bonfire
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Never looked fluid. Always looked static when she wasn't looking to go inside-out.

Golovin's game has never look very well-structured. Certain parts of her game really outshine others. Her backhand and serve are like night and day.

I see what you mean now. Her forehand really did only come into its own when she was in the ad-court.

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Why don't you like her forehand technique? I always loved it!
:inlove:


I do agree with some things that Hejira is saying. Problem is, looking at Tatiana's game one way or another s always going to be subjective so we will never know what she could've been unless she comes back and proves it.

Singleniacki
Mar 28th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Caro by far :shrug:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 28th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Two one-dimensional players with aesthetically unpleasant games, one of them with hideous forehand, the other one with non-existent backhand. But Wozniacki moves and looks much better plus she's able to keep herself fit so I have to choose the Dane.

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 09:32 PM
Two one-dimensional players, one of them with hideous forehand, the other one with non-existent backhand. But Wozniacki moves and looks much better plus she's able to keep herself fit so I have to choose the Dane.
Lol ok. :tape:

DragonFlame
Mar 28th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Wozniacki by FAR! Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

BournemouthBoy
Mar 28th, 2010, 09:36 PM
who is Golovin?

AnywhereButHome
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:07 PM
who is Golovin?

:eek: You are not funny!

yukon145
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:22 PM
its interesting to note that Tati's last match on the WTA tour was against Caro.

I'm a fan of both players, but think that Tatiana had/has the better game, and if she could have stayed healthy her whole career, would have had much better results in grand slams, her ranking and against the top players. More so compared to what Caroline has done thus far.

What I think a lot of people who weren't really fans of Tatiana's don't realize is that she was almost always injured or coming back from a long injury break. Whenever you felt that she was playing well for a long time period, you pretty much always expected her to get some sort of serious injury that would take her away from the tour for a period. She was never able to gain any real long extended rhythm in her game because she was in a constant cycle of starting to play well, getting injured, recovery time, slowly find her game again, only to get hurt. Since being diagnosed with her back condition, it all makes more sense.

I'm a big fan of Caroline, but I think she has really taken advantage of a weak time period in women's tennis. The quality of players in top when Golovin was playing was much better than it is now; the tour isn't near as strong as it was even a few year ago and think its a little difficult to compare one another. But yes, at the end of the day I say a healthy Golovin defeats a healthy Wozinacki 7 out of 10 times.

markdelaney
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:23 PM
what's next ? who is better ? Venus Williams or Nicole Vaidisova ?

AcesHigh
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:36 PM
Wozniacki by a mile. Golovin wasn't going to reach a slam final and I don't remember her reaching a Tier I final either.

Wozniacki is consisently winning matches and that's the show of "greatness" or whatever you want to call it.

Golovin was a good player, but if you're not putting whatever talents you have towards actual wins, then what's the point? plus she was never top 5 material.. I dont know where ppl get that from.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:39 PM
Wozniacki by a mile. Golovin wasn't going to reach a slam final and I don't remember her reaching a Tier I final either.

You have short memory then. Golovin reached Zurich final in 2007. :p

AcesHigh
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:42 PM
You have short memory then. Golovin reached Zurich final in 2007. :p

:lol: Oh yea. Still not on the same level of IW but Tier I nonetheless

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:47 PM
:lol: Oh yea. Still not on the same level of IW but Tier I nonetheless
Zurich (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/ltourn.php?nr=3190) Tier I Hard Oct 21 2007
1 Golovin - Maria Kirilenko (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=2445)-WC 6-3 6-4
2 Golovin - Ana Ivanovic (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=4697)(5) 6-3 6-1
QF Golovin - Marion Bartoli (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=1458)(9) 4-5
SF Golovin - Francesca Schiavone (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=694) 6-0 6-4
F Justine Henin (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=962)(1) - Golovin6-4 6-4
>
Indian Wells (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/ltourn.php?nr=4377) Premier Hard Mar 21 2010
1 Wozniacki(2) bye
2 Wozniacki(2) - Vania King (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=4989) 5-7 6-2 6-4
3 Wozniacki(2) - Maria Kirilenko (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=2445)(32) 6-0 6-3
4 Wozniacki(2) - Nadia Petrova (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=776)(16) 6-3 3-6 6-0
QF Wozniacki(2) - Jie Zheng (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=1586)(18) 6-4 4-6 6-1
SF Wozniacki(2) - Agnieszka Radwanska (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=6438)(5) 6-2 6-3
F Jelena Jankovic (http://www.wta96.com/wiki/lresults.php?spnr=1482)(6) - Wozniacki(2)6-2 6-4
Just sayin'! :p

Temperenka
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:53 PM
Tati was more talented in my opinion, but Caroline has superior mental strength and consistency.

People really under-appreciate how big of a fighter Caroline is.

They are certainly both attractive girls with good games, but face it folks... Tati, sadly, is retired.. and Caroline will be in the Top 10 for quite some time.

It would be better to accept it and get used to it instead of wasting your time hating her. :shrug:

iPatty
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:55 PM
The hype around Golovin this board, much like the love for Dokic, will forever remain a mystery to me. Her game was just...not Top5 level. She had a nice forehand but that was really about it. The backhand was cringe-worthy and her serve technique was so choppy and inconsistent. Like others have said, she played a couple of good matches (in some cases a good set) and people are saying when would make Slam finals and be a Top3 player. Baffles me.

goldenlox
Mar 28th, 2010, 11:59 PM
Some people liked their looks. Nothing wrong with that. People like Nadal's look too.

Slutiana
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:01 AM
Some people liked their looks. Nothing wrong with that. People like Nadal's look too.
What? :unsure: What does that have to do with anything?

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:02 AM
I am responding to -
The hype around Golovin this board, much like the love for Dokic, will forever remain a mystery to me.

Slutiana
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:08 AM
I am responding to -
The hype around Golovin this board, much like the love for Dokic, will forever remain a mystery to me.
Ohhhhh, I see. :)

More than looks though, I think her game itself is attractive to a lot of people and obviously she is charismatic too which won her a lot of fans.

goldenlox
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:09 AM
I can understand a Schnyder fan not understanding Golovin threads.
Patty has a tremendous game to watch.

iPatty
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:12 AM
I can understand a Schnyder fan not understanding Golovin threads.
Patty has a tremendous game to watch.

I mean, it isn't that I didn't enjoy watching Golovin. Her forehand inside-out was a real beauty, I just don't understand the expectations that everyone is so sure she would fulfill.

Nicolás89
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:20 AM
Wozniacki. :yeah:

moby
Mar 29th, 2010, 12:22 AM
The hype around Golovin this board, much like the love for Dokic, will forever remain a mystery to me. Her game was just...not Top5 level. She had a nice forehand but that was really about it. The backhand was cringe-worthy and her serve technique was so choppy and inconsistent. Like others have said, she played a couple of good matches (in some cases a good set) and people are saying when would make Slam finals and be a Top3 player. Baffles me.Golovin's destiny, up till her career ending injury, was to be in the bottom half of the top 10. Much as I believe Wozniacki's should be.
She might also have made a slam semi or two with a good draw.

I think this thread isn't all that misplaced. I think Golovin and Wozniacki are players of similar talent and potential (albeit with very different games), whose careers have defied what one would predict from their native talents (albeit in different directions.)

Havok
Mar 29th, 2010, 03:06 AM
Golovin, easily. Wozniacki has had her rise once Henin left the game and the entire WTA Tour has gone to shits. Sure Serena was the "dominant" player, but she was worthless in anything other than the Slams + YEC, which is where Caro did her damage.

Golovin played while Henin was still around, while Serena was still capable of winning a non-slam event, when Ivanovic/Jankovic were the rising stars, etc. Her results are extremely skewed, but the girl was injured way too often. However when uninjured and playing good tennis, she easily trumps Caroline. Much smarter tennis player even though she is more of a power player than the "thinker" Wozniacki believes she is.:o

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:04 PM
Golovina won the poll

youizahoe
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:07 PM
Tati duh :lol:

Andrew Laeddis
Mar 29th, 2010, 11:12 PM
The hype around Golovin this board, much like the love for Dokic, will forever remain a mystery to me. Her game was just...not Top5 level. She had a nice forehand but that was really about it. The backhand was cringe-worthy and her serve technique was so choppy and inconsistent. Like others have said, she played a couple of good matches (in some cases a good set) and people are saying when would make Slam finals and be a Top3 player. Baffles me.

THIS :worship:

I thought it was just me. :lol:

danieln1
Mar 30th, 2010, 02:23 AM
I´m sorry, but SEWTA #2 + US Open final it´s better than whole Tati´s career...

But I miss her a lot, she was fun to watch

FrenchY52
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:15 AM
Tatsy :)

rockstar
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:51 AM
tati must have seen this thread when she dissed caro.

any caro>>>tati by miles. tati did shit in her career, injury or not is no excuse.

Viktymise
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:54 AM
Achievements - Pushniacki
Looks - Pushniacki

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Golovin.
Tennis isn't about pushing. So Pushniacki get out.

Mary Cherry.
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:05 AM
Bitching and overwhelming hatred aside, Caro has acheived much more than Golovin did already and is almost certain to acheive much more.

http://robbystewart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kelso_burn.gif



EDIT: Oh God, I sound like TennisFan66 :help:

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:09 AM
Golovin.
Tennis isn't about pushing. So Pushniacki get out.

Tennis is about keeping the ball in play... and professional tennis about winning.

Wozniacki >>>>>> Golovin

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:15 AM
Golovin is totally irrelevant. As a player, and whatever she does now.

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:20 AM
Wozniacki.

If Golovin and Wozniacki played 10 times, Wozniacki would win at least 7 of them.

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:24 AM
Wozniacki.

If Golovin and Wozniacki played 10 times, Wozniacki would win at least 7 of them.
Yup, because she would break her ankle in four of them, pull a hamstring in two and vomit all over the court in the remaining one. :sad:

In all seriousness though, Tatiana was always good about seeing opportunities to come forward and transitioning well. She read the game very well and that's what you need to do against Wozniacki. She said this week that she has been watching a lot of tennis this fortnight and thinking up strategies for various players, so I won't be giving up hope just yet.

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:27 AM
Tennis is about keeping the ball in play... and professional tennis about winning.

Wozniacki >>>>>> Golovin

Sure tennis is about keeping the ball in play but don't act like you'd be satisfied with plenty of Pushniacki out there, just one is a nightmare for the WTA.
And yeah professionnal tennis is about winning and mostly Majors so I'm telling you where do you think Wozniacki is going with this game?

The 2nd Law
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:28 AM
I agree with those who are questioning Golovin's apparent top 5 destiny, but if these two played at their peaks, for mine, Tatiana would win in straights.

Hian
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:31 AM
Tati!
Wozniacki sucks :D

Zébulon
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:43 AM
The problem with players who get injured is that it leaves people with great expectations. Golovin did show promises and played some good matches , against Henin particularily. But there's no real proof that she was top 5 material. She got close to top 10 at some point, that's all. I mean, Gasquet also showed a lot of promises... There's no telling what could have happened. And, about her ankle injuries, I remember different coaches she had and some guys of the fed cup saying she had at last understood the importance of fitness and a good work ethic. I can't remember how they put it exactly but golovin never had a reputation for hard work, and some of these guys mentionned how some injuries can occur in part because of lack of fitness. You can prefer the game and/or looks of one or the other, but comparing them now doesn't make much sense, i think. One is playing, the other posing.

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 11:57 AM
Sure tennis is about keeping the ball in play but don't act like you'd be satisfied with plenty of Pushniacki out there, just one is a nightmare for the WTA.
And yeah professionnal tennis is about winning and mostly Majors so I'm telling you where do you think Wozniacki is going with this game?

Tennis is about winning..matches, not majors. if it was about winning majors, then 95% of the tour would just pack up and go home.

Wozniacki has already achieved what most players can only dream of. Making a slam final and reaching #2 are huge achievements.

And give me "pushing" any day over errorfests and ballbashing.

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:00 PM
When Tati was still around, the field was stronger so it was harder to be #2. Duh.

Freakan
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:00 PM
Golovin > Wozniacki? :spit:
Only proves the level of TF members :tape:

Break My Rapture
Jun 6th, 2010, 01:56 PM
its interesting to note that Tati's last match on the WTA tour was against Caro.

I'm a fan of both players, but think that Tatiana had/has the better game, and if she could have stayed healthy her whole career, would have had much better results in grand slams, her ranking and against the top players. More so compared to what Caroline has done thus far.

What I think a lot of people who weren't really fans of Tatiana's don't realize is that she was almost always injured or coming back from a long injury break. Whenever you felt that she was playing well for a long time period, you pretty much always expected her to get some sort of serious injury that would take her away from the tour for a period. She was never able to gain any real long extended rhythm in her game because she was in a constant cycle of starting to play well, getting injured, recovery time, slowly find her game again, only to get hurt. Since being diagnosed with her back condition, it all makes more sense.

I'm a big fan of Caroline, but I think she has really taken advantage of a weak time period in women's tennis. The quality of players in top when Golovin was playing was much better than it is now; the tour isn't near as strong as it was even a few year ago and think its a little difficult to compare one another. But yes, at the end of the day I say a healthy Golovin defeats a healthy Wozinacki 7 out of 10 times.
:bowdown: Flawless post and I agree 100%.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:00 PM
If, if if. If everyone who never made the top 10 was great, we'd have a great tour.

Aaric
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:00 PM
So Tatiana, who never entered top 10, neither reached a Slam Final (actually got to QF ONCE) is better? :haha:

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:01 PM
Yeah, and the tour was so much stronger back in 2007, when Sveta was #2 instead of Venus and Chakvetadze was top 5

claypova
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:05 PM
ballbashers>pushers ;)

tati's game is better

Break My Rapture
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:17 PM
So typical of Caro fans to reach back to her "accomplishments" in a comparison to another player who many feel is better than Caro.
Well guess what, perfect losing record against active former #1's.

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:21 PM
So typical of Caro fans to reach back to her "accomplishments" in a comparison to another player who many feel is better than Caro.
Well guess what, perfect losing record against active former #1's.

Golovin is the most overrated player on this board. Caro's record against active former #1's.. which is such a stupid stat btw if we're comparing a PAST player still doesnt diminish her FAR superior slam record. Not to mention more titles, bigger titles, and bigger final appearances.

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:33 PM
Yeah, and the tour was so much stronger back in 2007, when Sveta was #2 instead of Venus and Chakvetadze was top 5
So? Sveta was so much better back then, she was consistent, played great matches but there was always a better player than her to beat her in the later stages. Chakvetadze had a great run of form back then too, even if she is crap right now. And right now we have an even lesser Sveta as a slam winner, Wozniacki in the top 2, Radwanska as a consistent fixture in the top 10, numerous talented and former elite players slumping etc. etc. It's not even close.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:35 PM
Wozniacki beat Sveta at the USO, when Sveta was still ranked pretty high, a few weeks before she won Beijing.
Sveta had bigger wins last year, when Caro beat her, than in 2007

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:45 PM
Wozniacki beat Sveta at the USO, when Sveta was still ranked pretty high, a few weeks before she won Beijing.
Sveta had bigger wins last year, when Caro beat her, than in 2007
Beijing is one of the only times she has even passed the quarterfinal in an event since the French Open last year, no? She may have had bigger wins but a lot of it was down to 1) Safina crumbling in the final 2) The Beijing field falling apart.

She may have had bigger wins recently, but back then she was fitter, her forehand was probably the best forehand in the game, and her not having those big wins was due to the fact that there was actual solidarity at the top of the game with Henin et al. beating her at the latter stages of the biggest events.

$uricate
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:47 PM
Golovin, had she not been injured all the time would have been top 5 for sure. If her form the autumn before she "retired" continued she could have done so much, not to mention she often had long spells out and always came back great.

ptitnavet
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:51 PM
Maybe Tati is not better than Caroline but Caroline is so not a top 3 material :lol: who did she beat to win her title let see : Dushevina, Chakvetadze (when she starts slumping btw), Kanepi, Wozniak, Razzano,Vesnina, Govortsova :spit:

And for Caro fans who think she deserves her ranking : Mary Pierce was never a top 2 whereas she beat the likes of Seles,Graf, Hingis, Williams ...

Monzanator
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:52 PM
With all the Wozniacki haters around this poll is pretty much useless :shrug:

bengt
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:52 PM
I don't even know if you can call Golovin a tennis player.

Viktymise
Jun 6th, 2010, 02:57 PM
If, if if.

Pretty much. There are factors apart from every players' overall game which affect their careers. That's the way it goes. For Golovin it was injuries. She simply didn't have the physique to be playing week in, week out top flight tennis. Saying she would have done this that and the other if she wasn't injured so much is immaterial. She didn't. She was never that good.

It's not like Golovin played some unreal brand of tennis. Pushniacki has a godawful game, but Golovin hardly played that much better.

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:48 PM
And give me "pushing" any day over errorfests and ballbashing.

No need to put parenthesis this is pushing at his best, there isn't anything else in her game.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:49 PM
I don't even know if you can call Golovin a tennis player.A lot of players were tennis players and never were top 10 players.

rockstar
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:55 PM
Sure tennis is about keeping the ball in play but don't act like you'd be satisfied with plenty of Pushniacki out there, just one is a nightmare for the WTA.
And yeah professionnal tennis is about winning and mostly Majors so I'm telling you where do you think Wozniacki is going with this game?

:spit:
the question is between caro and tati. and caro's grandslam achievements has exceed tati's ones by miles, so yeah, i guess you've answered the question correctly.

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:56 PM
And for Caro fans who think she deserves her ranking : Mary Pierce was never a top 2 whereas she beat the likes of Seles,Graf, Hingis, Williams ...

This too. I don't give a crap about rankings since Henin retired and Sharapova got injured. It was absolutely a joke it wasn't about quality anymore but more about quantity.

LeonHart
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Caro.

terjw
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:02 PM
Thread title says who is better not who is more accomplished.. Even i'm in no delusions about who is more accomplished.

The aim in tennis is to win - not pose. Tennis is not like synchronised swimming where a panel of judges can award marks and determine whether you win. The player who succeeds in winning matches, tournaments and doing well at slams is by definition of the aim of the game the better player.

So Caro by a mile and her accomplishments PROVE she is the better player.

InsideOut.
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:03 PM
Wozniacki, actually.

Break My Rapture
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Golovin is the most overrated player on this board. Caro's record against active former #1's.. which is such a stupid stat btw if we're comparing a PAST player still doesnt diminish her FAR superior slam record. Not to mention more titles, bigger titles, and bigger final appearances.
These titles Caro won are not an indicator of greatness by any means. :shrug:
Bigger titles? Oh yeah Eastbourne and New Haven. :weirdo:
I still think Tati is a better player with a better game, even if you try to prove me wrong with Caro's accomplishments (which are not that impressive to me either, especially since we are in a weak period of women's tennis).

JackFrost
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:36 PM
Caro Wozniaki for me.

poulao
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:37 PM
Caro :)


Berlin 2008 on Clay R64

C.Wozniacki(38)
T.Golovin(21)

Caro won 7-6(4) 6-2

So no contest ;)

FrenchY52
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Caro :)


Berlin 2008 on Clay R64

C.Wozniacki(38)
T.Golovin(21)

Caro won 7-6(4) 6-2

So no contest ;)

Moron.
Tati's last match ever on tour. Badly injured.

poulao
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:47 PM
Moron.
Tati's last match ever on tour. Badly injured.

Njĺ, njĺ :lol:

heart
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:51 PM
so tati's last match was against caro:confused:, well that explains everything:lol:

terjw
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:51 PM
These titles Caro won are not an indicator of greatness by any means. :shrug:
Bigger titles? Oh yeah Eastbourne and New Haven. :weirdo:
I still think Tati is a better player with a better game, even if you try to prove me wrong with Caro's accomplishments (which are not that impressive to me either, especially since we are in a weak period of women's tennis).

Eastbourne had a field with 7 of the top 10 players - tough matches in round 1 even. Tati only managed to make it to the QF once in slams aand her only two wins on the tour are Amelia Island and Portoroz.

Go ahead - stick your fingers in your ears with "I don't want to hear you". But if Tati was a better player - her accomplishments would back it up.

ptitnavet
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:53 PM
Caro :)


Berlin 2008 on Clay R64

C.Wozniacki(38)
T.Golovin(21)

Caro won 7-6(4) 6-2

So no contest ;)

Tatiana with Ankylosing spondylitis went to a tie break against the Pusher that s our Tati :inlove:

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:56 PM
Tatiana with Ankylosing spondylitis went to a tie break against the Pusher that our Tati :inlove:
:rolls:

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:02 PM
These titles Caro won are not an indicator of greatness by any means. :shrug:
Bigger titles? Oh yeah Eastbourne and New Haven. :weirdo:
I still think Tati is a better player with a better game, even if you try to prove me wrong with Caro's accomplishments (which are not that impressive to me either, especially since we are in a weak period of women's tennis).

This is the only part that matters. You'll think she's better despite all evidence of the contrary.

TennisFan66
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:06 PM
Not been on TF for a few days. The weather has been faaaaaaaab. Glad to see TF hasn't changed ... always something to discuss about the future world No 1 and multiple slam winner: Caroline Wozniacki :worship:

ptitnavet
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:15 PM
Eastbourne had a field with 7 of the top 10 players - tough matches in round 1 even. Tati only managed to make it to the QF once in slams aand her only two wins on the tour are Amelia Island and Portoroz.

Go ahead - stick your fingers in your ears with "I don't want to hear you". But if Tati was a better player - her accomplishments would back it up.

Let see why she wasn't that accomplish, do you?

2005
zoster
left achilles tendinitis
2006
left ankle injury
foot injury
2007
ankle injury again
right knee injury
2008
6 cm cyst in the hip
Ankylosing spondylitis

The Dawntreader
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:17 PM
Not been on TF for a few days. The weather has been faaaaaaaab. Glad to see TF hasn't changed ... always something to discuss about the future world No 1 and multiple slam winner: Caroline Wozniacki :worship:

When was this ever discussed?:lol:

poulao
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:18 PM
Ja ja ja ja this is a stupid thread anyway :lol:

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:19 PM
I think it's obvious that Caroline's achievements are much bigger than Tati's. But yeah when Tati was at her peak, the Tour was much stronger than nowadays and I'm sure in 2007 Caro wouldn't have made the Top 10 like Tati. And in terms of Grandslam Results: Tati's US Open QF with a 6-7 6-7 to GOAT Masha was more impressive to me than Caro's fluke run to the F last year. Caro would have been demolished against this Masha.

And it's absolutely fair to say that Tati's tennis was much more impressive than Caro's pushing. The crowd in stuttgart loved her and she was really fun to watch when she was on. Caro is never "on" she plays the same pushing style every day. It depends all on her opponents. If they play bad, Caro wins easily. if she meets a player who has some form, Caro's out. Even her hardcore-Fans have to admit this. She never plays "a great match", Golovin did. Not to mention Tati had some serious injuries not like Caro, who fakes every injury and plays while she's supposed to have a rest.

Tati was MUCH more impressive to me, although Caro had the better results.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:21 PM
Caro is still a teenager, and ranked #3. Great future ahead. Great situation right now.
Being compared with a former player who was never top 10.

It keeps Golovin's name in GM. Her tennis accomplishments dont keep her in GM
Next week, threads will compare Golovin to Mel South.

terjw
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:22 PM
Let see why she wasn't that accomplish, do you?

2005
zoster
left achilles tendinitis
2006
left ankle injury
foot injury
2007
ankle injury again
right knee injury
2008
6 cm cyst in the hip
Ankylosing spondylitis

Read the thread title. Who is better. Not who might have possibly been better if they weren't injured. If woulda coulda blaa blaa.

MaBaker
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:26 PM
Tati of course.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:29 PM
Let see why she wasn't that accomplish, do you?

2005
zoster
left achilles tendinitis
2006
left ankle injury
foot injury
2007
ankle injury again
right knee injury
2008
6 cm cyst in the hip
Ankylosing spondylitis

Staying fit is a key to being a good player.

Break My Rapture
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:30 PM
Eastbourne had a field with 7 of the top 10 players - tough matches in round 1 even. Tati only managed to make it to the QF once in slams aand her only two wins on the tour are Amelia Island and Portoroz.

Go ahead - stick your fingers in your ears with "I don't want to hear you". But if Tati was a better player - her accomplishments would back it up.
IIRC Caro never had to play one of those 7 players and I don't think she got one of those tough R1 opponents either. :rolleyes:
This is the only part that matters. You'll think she's better despite all evidence of the contrary.
Why? Because you don't know an answer to the rest of that post? :rolleyes:
Caro's accomplishments do not back up her career best ranking of #2 and therefore being better than Tati.
A slam final, okay that's a great accomplishment (despite her cakewalk draw) but like someone said earlier, Mary Pierce never reached #2 even if she won against Hingis, Seles, Williams, and had a pretty good career.
The only evidence that you Caro fans have is that Caro reached the final of the USO and IW but I have no doubt in my mind that healthy and in-normal-form Tati would've done the same thing if she had Caro's draws. :rolleyes:

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:36 PM
And it's absolutely fair to say that Tati's tennis was much more impressive than Caro's pushing.

Golovin played fugly tennis. It was just fugly in a different way from Wozniacki's.

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:38 PM
Golovin played fugly tennis. It was just fugly in a different way from Wozniacki's.

err... I don't think an Anna Kournikova Fan should tell something about how to play good Tennis :o Tati's Tennis was much more exciting than Caro's.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:39 PM
No it wasn't and Kournikova was a beautiful mover who was in the top 10.
And from now on, really, a #2 like Caro should only be compared to top 10 players

iPatty
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:39 PM
err... I don't think an Anna Kournikova Fan should teach someone about how to play Tennis :o Tati's Tennis was much more exciting than Caro's.

Why not? Kournikova was a Top10 player and Slam semifinalist, which is more than can be said for Golovin. :shrug:

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:41 PM
Why not? Kournikova was a Top10 player and Slam semifinalist, which is more than can be said for Golovin. :shrug:

Yeah sure, but I just forgot when she won her last singles title...? :scratch: Could someone please help me??

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:42 PM
Still a top 8 player. Something Golovin will never see

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:43 PM
Yeah sure, but I just forgot when she won her last singles title...? :scratch: Could someone please help me??

When did Golovin even make a Tier I final? When did Golovin beat 4 Top 10 players in one tournament?

Kournikova had more game than Golovin could ever hope for.

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:44 PM
Still a top 8 player. Something Golovin will never see

Anna will never see a singles trophy in her shelf :sad:

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:45 PM
Nope, but a Wimbledon semifinalist. And someone people have heard of.

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:45 PM
When did Golovin even make a Tier I final? When did Golovin beat 4 Top 10 players in one tournament?

Kournikova had more game than Golovin could ever hope for.

errr.... FAIL Zurich 2007 and twice Stuttgart which is like a Tier 1 event.

iPatty
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:46 PM
Yeah sure, but I just forgot when she won her last singles title...? :scratch: Could someone please help me??

Anna Smashnova has (many) more titles than Golovin. Are you implying that she is a better player? :)

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:46 PM
I won't stand for any of this Kournikova or Golovin bashing. :rolleyes:

Golovin played fugly tennis. It was just fugly in a different way from Wozniacki's.
How so?

The Dawntreader
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:47 PM
None of this Kournikova or Golovin bashing. :rolleyes:


How so?

Cringe technique more than anything IMO :shrug:

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Nope, but a Wimbledon semifinalist. And someone people have heard of.

Well Vaidisova had 2 slam SFs, not that it's very difficult to achieve. But she has no Tier 2 title, and no Tier 2 or Tier 1 final.

Zheng has to Slam SFs as well.

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:48 PM
errr.... FAIL Zurich 2007 and twice Stuttgart which is like a Tier 1 event.

One Tier I final. She's the next big thing. :lol:

Kournikova's career is miles more impressive than Golovin's.

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:49 PM
Anna Smashnova has (many) more titles than Golovin. Are you implying that she is a better player? :)

Smashnova has no Tier 2 title and no big final, unlike Golovin.

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:49 PM
Caro is still a teenager, and ranked #3. Great future ahead. Great situation right now.
Being compared with a former player who was never top 10.

It keeps Golovin's name in GM. Her tennis accomplishments dont keep her in GM
Next week, threads will compare Golovin to Mel South.

Blablabblabla as if she was about to dominate the Tour, the Push still hasn't won a tier1 give US a break.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:51 PM
When you are ranked 2 and 3, you're getting good results. Only 1 player can dominate the tour.
You're comparing to Golovin, who could never spend 1 week in the top 10.
Chakvetadze finished 2007 at #6 Her career wipes the floor with Golovin

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:51 PM
How so?

This:

Cringe technique more than anything IMO :shrug:

plus her movement.

What I meant was, with Wozniacki one could wonder why such a big girl plays such a junior-like tennis. With Golovin you had to wonder who she tried to impersonate on the court as she clearly lacked qualities required for both an all-court player and a ballbasher.

Wozniacki seems to be aware of limitations in her game. Golovin, OTOH, was rather delusional about her tennis talent.

terjw
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:55 PM
IIRC Caro never had to play one of those 7 players and I don't think she got one of those tough R1 opponents either. :rolleyes:

So she beat players who were better than the top players they knocked out.

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:56 PM
Anyway, from my perspective, I view Tati simply as a very talented player who had problems with injury and motivation early on, but who had really begun to work hard and looked to be finally putting herself together and fulfilling all the hype and expectations.

I agree that there is no point of saying "if, if, if". But also I disagree with people who belittle her achievements and act like she was a nobody destined for nothing. She just seemed to have the worst luck in the world and this ankylosing spondylitis is probably the worst thing that could possibly happened to any tennis player. :sad:

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:57 PM
When you are ranked 2 and 3, you're getting good results. Only 1 player can dominate the tour.
You're comparing to Golovin, who could never spend 1 week in the top 10.
Chakvetadze finished 2007 at #6 Her career wipes the floor Golovin

There was a time where N2 and 3 were reaching SF and F of any tournament including Majors. It just shows how pathetic the Tour is right now, we have Wozniacki being n3 without any great result because let's face it a N3 should be constantly in QF/SF at least of any tournament.
Wozniacki should really go down at the end of the year she has nothing to do in the top 5.

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:58 PM
So she beat players who were better than the top players they knocked out.

Means the WTA is not as good anymore as it was before when the top players did not lose constantly to mugs. Wozniacki in 2007 would probably be #15. But yeah in 2010 this means #3

terjw
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Blablabblabla as if she was about to dominate the Tour, the Push still hasn't won a tier1 give US a break.

And Golovin has :lol::lol:

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:59 PM
If she doesnt belong in the top 5, then she wont stay there.
She just had finalist points in Super Tier I Madrid 2009 come off, and she is still #3

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:59 PM
This:



plus her movement.
Oh, ok. Each to his own, I guess. :p

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:00 PM
Anyway, from my perspective, I view Tati simply as a very talented player who had problems with injury and motivation but who had really began to work hard and looked to be finally putting herself together and fulfilling all the hype and expectations.

I agree that there is no point of saying "if, if, if". But also I disagree with people who belittle her achievements and act like she was a nobody destined for nothing. She just seemed to have the worst luck in the world and this ankylosing spondylitis is probably the worst thing that could possibly happen to any tennis player. :sad:

Belittle her achievements? :lol:

A single Tier II, a MM, and 1 major QF. You can barely do much with that let alone belittle it.

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:02 PM
Belittle her achievements? :lol:

A single Tier II, a MM, and 1 major QF. You can barely do much with that let alone belittle it.
Well from yours and many other people's posts in here, you would think she wasn't even a top 50 player.

terjw
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:05 PM
Blablabblabla as if she was about to dominate the Tour, the Push still hasn't won a tier1 give US a break.

You don't need to dominate the tour or win a tier 1 to be better than Tati. :rolleyes:

The Dawntreader
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:06 PM
. She just seemed to have the worst luck in the world and this ankylosing spondylitis is probably the worst thing that could possibly happened to any tennis player. :sad:

This i agree with.

What is this condition? Is it degenerative?

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:10 PM
You don't need to dominate the tour or win a tier 1 to be better than Tati. :rolleyes:

That's not what I meant, Goldenlox is talking about Caro as if she will be the dominating girl in few years let the gril win a big title then maybe we will talk about her.
Anyway are you aware that Wozniacki has nothing to do in the top 5 atm. Seriously she is just there because of the state of women's tennis but Clijsters, Sharapova and Henin are on their way back, Push can still play every week it won't be enough with those players I predict Wozniacki to be out of top 5 at the end of the year.

Zébulon
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:12 PM
has she really ever confirmed it was that disease anyway ? (asking) :scratch:

Matt01
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:13 PM
Golovin's game was much nicer to look at, but I guess I can't argue with Wozniacki's Slam final. :shrug: Plus I give her lots of credit for overcoming her injury problems despite her retarded scheduling.

Graf~Dokic
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:16 PM
Golovin, by far...

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:17 PM
Golovin's game was much nicer to look at, but I guess I can't argue with Wozniacki's Slam final. :shrug: Plus I give her lots of credit for overcoming her injury problems despite her retarded scheduling.

You sure can argue about her cakewalkdraw.

kaktusino
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Golovin is better in each aspect. :wavey:

hurricanejeanne
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Anyway, from my perspective, I view Tati simply as a very talented player who had problems with injury and motivation early on, but who had really begun to work hard and looked to be finally putting herself together and fulfilling all the hype and expectations.

I agree that there is no point of saying "if, if, if". But also I disagree with people who belittle her achievements and act like she was a nobody destined for nothing. She just seemed to have the worst luck in the world and this ankylosing spondylitis is probably the worst thing that could possibly happened to any tennis player. :sad:

Agreed.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:19 PM
Caro beat Kuznetsova, who won a major and a Super Tier I that year.
Didnt matter what draw Golovin had at a major.

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:20 PM
This i agree with.

What is this condition? Is it degenerative?
I think so. But wikipedia just scares me:

Ankylosing spondylitis (AS, from Greek ankylos, bent; spondylos, vertebrae), previously known as Bekhterev's disease, Bekhterev syndrome, and Marie-Strümpell disease, a form of Spondyloarthritis, is a chronic, inflammatory arthritis and autoimmune disease. It mainly affects joints in the spine and the sacroilium in the pelvis, and can cause eventual fusion of the spine.
It is a member of the group of the spondyloarthropathies with a strong genetic predisposition. Complete fusion results in a complete rigidity of the spine, a condition known as bamboo spine.[1]


:help:

But she still has a sponsor and still seems to think there's a chance that she may come back so I don't have a clue.

FORZA SARITA
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:22 PM
omg this robot is so fucking annoying :o
shut up it slutiana :lol:

Matt01
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:23 PM
You sure can argue about her cakewalkdraw.


No I can't, since she beat the French Open Champion on the way to the final.

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Caro beat Kuznetsova, who won a major and a Super Tier I that year.
Didnt matter what draw Golovin had at a major.

It does she lost against Sharapova winner of the tournament I remember Sharapova defeating Henin more easily than Golovin, see I can switch things in the way I want too.

Roookie
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:26 PM
This is an insult to Caro.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:27 PM
This is an insult to Caro.I agree. And its a joke. Just makes people insult Golovin, only in pointing out how little she accomplished.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:28 PM
It does she lost against Sharapova winner of the tournament.

Did she also fall to Sharapova in all of her countless 1R and 2R losses at slams?

A-Bond
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:31 PM
Did she also fall to Sharapova in all of her countless 1R and 2R losses at slams?

Well the only really dramatic loss was US Open 2007 vs. Rolle... In her other early losses, she came back from injury (Zheng, Paszek) and at AO 2008 she lost to ball-bash-good-day-Rezai just before that terrible injury stopped her.

Derek.
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:32 PM
It's hard to say who is "better" because that can be subjective, but we all certainly know who's more accomplished at this point.

Graf~Dokic
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:33 PM
No I can't, since she beat the French Open Champion on the way to the final.

A French Open champion who choked terribly...

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:35 PM
Did she also fall to Sharapova in all of her countless 1R and 2R losses at slams?

I'd rather lose against a hot Sharapova rather than beating a hot mess choker Kuznetsova:lol:

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:37 PM
This:



plus her movement.

What I meant was, with Wozniacki one could wonder why such a big girl plays such a junior-like tennis. With Golovin you had to wonder who she tried to impersonate on the court as she clearly lacked qualities required for both an all-court player and a ballbasher.

Wozniacki seems to be aware of limitations in her game. Golovin, OTOH, was rather delusional about her tennis talent.
I kind of agree with that. But I think it was more to do with her just enjoying her tennis and playing the type of tennis she enjoyed playing. She never really had a solid coach telling her exactly what she should do so she just did what she liked. I remember at Amelia island she dropshotted and volleyed Venus to death in the quarters, out-ballbashed Ivanovic in the semis and then was playing like a borderline pusher in the final against Petrova. :lol:

But once she had improved her movement by the end of 07, she seemed to find her niche as, I guess, an aggressive counterpuncher while still being able to add a touch of creativity to her game.

Inktrailer
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Caro - not even out of her teens and done more than Golovin did.

Topspin2
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:03 PM
for me tati

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:07 PM
You all need to chill. Not even the strongest bleach would wash away some of this language.

delicatecutter
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:08 PM
Well Golovin was the more talented of the two but Caro is more consistent. I dont think Golovin would have reached a slam final IMO :shrug:

She would have if she had Caro's draw last year. :rolls:

Tati could have been the next big thing and a huge star but her constant injuries unfortunately made that virtually impossible. :sad:

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:10 PM
She would have if she had Caro's draw last year. :rolls:

Tati could have been the next big thing and a huge star but her constant injuries unfortunately made that virtually impossible. :sad:

:help:

Meelis
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:13 PM
No more personal attacks and name calling, please.

WTAtennisfan15
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Caro has a bright future ahead of her, if she just doesnt let success to get in her head!

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:14 PM
No more personal attacks and name calling, please.
Thanks for the deletions, no problem from here.
And I agree, her future looks super!

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Caro has a bright future ahead of her, if she just doesnt let success to get in her head!

Success:lol:

ptitnavet
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:25 PM
:help:

Did you watch tennis in 2004? :help:
Everybody thought Tati would be the next best thing and would be a big star same about Vaidisova.
Nobody thought that about Wozniacki maybe that why she has some success she was not really expected.

delicatecutter
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:27 PM
:help:

Unlike Wozniacki, I think her game had the potential to get better with age and experience. I mean, she was already playing better than ever the fall of 2007 shortly before she had to quit playing.

Joe.
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:27 PM
If Tati hadn't been injured she would be winning slams right now. I loved this girl, her game was amazing. This sort of thread just makes me think of what Tati could've been. :sobbing:

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Did you watch tennis in 2004? :help:
Everybody thought Tati would be the next best thing and would be a big star same about Vaidisova.
Nobody thought that about Wozniacki maybe that why she has some success she was not really expected.

No... everybody did not think that. I'm not sure what world you're living in lol. She was considered a young talent, but next big thing? No.

And no, Golovin was never going to be the next big star.. she never had the game.

Joe.
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:34 PM
No... everybody did not think that. I'm not sure what world you're living in lol. She was considered a young talent, but next big thing? No.

And no, Golovin was never going to be the next big star.. she never had the game.

She DEFINITLY had the game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frTKKqpzNdA

LeonHart
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:34 PM
No... everybody did not think that. I'm not sure what world you're living in lol. She was considered a young talent, but next big thing? No.

And no, Golovin was never going to be the next big star.. she never had the game.

:spit: Tati was the next big thing in 2004? HAHAHAH.

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:35 PM
:help:

Tati retired at 20. Do you realize that? Only 20 years old :help: :help: And her game needed to be developed, unlike the WS for instance. Caro's game is efficient but I can't see her playing like that for years.

Oh, and last year, she told L'Equipe that it was very hard for her to watch the WTA because she already won against most of people who are winning at the moment. She is saying to herself that she could have played at a high level, reached the SF or finals.... and she is right.

The one who was the closest to beat amazing Sharapova at US Open 2006 was Tatiana. She gave Justine a lot of troubles. But she got so many injuries, it was hard for her to keep her groove up.

Oh talking about Justine Henin, don't you say she knows more than us about tennis? Well, she thinks Wozniacki is a good player, who plays with variety in her balls. But she never said she would have a bright future or something. Never. She said that Tatiana had so much talent that she was convinced that Vaidisova, Jankovic and Golovin would be the next big things because tennis wise, they really impressed her.

Vaidisova was too stubborn to improve, Jankovic didn't really improve and still has mental lack, Golovin... then, she had to retire.

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:35 PM
:spit: Tati was the next big thing in 2004? HAHAHAH.

Reaching R4 at Wimbledon at only 16, pretty much yeah. Not everybody is Hingis. ;)

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:37 PM
In 2004 Sharapova won Wimbledon at 17.
She was the next big thing in 2004.

Slutiana
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Reaching R4 at Wimbledon at only 16, pretty much yeah. Not everybody is Hingis. ;)
And the AO at 15/16!

LeonHart
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:40 PM
In 2004 Sharapova won Wimbledon at 17.
She was the next big thing in 2004.

Yep, I remember in 2003-2004 everyone was hyping Sharapova. No one cared about Golovin :spit:

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:41 PM
In 2004 Sharapova won Wimbledon at 17.
She was the next big thing in 2004.

Not the same. Sharapova was/is a Slam champion. It was obvious she was going to be the next big thing.

Poova
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:42 PM
If Tati hadn't been injured she would be winning slams right now. I loved this girl, her game was amazing. This sort of thread just makes me think of what Tati could've been. :sobbing:
So what Slams would she have won? I mean, in the last few years, what Grand Slams would she honestly have had a chance at? :confused: The only one that's been "open" in recent times is the French Open, and Golovin was never that competitive on clay. The Slams on the surfaces that favoured her she would have had no chance at winning looking at who has actually won them. So no, she wouldn't have been "winning Slams right now".

ptitnavet
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Reaching R4 at Wimbledon at only 16, pretty much yeah. Not everybody is Hingis.

you forgot R4 at AO when she just turned 16 and SF at Coubertin ;)
She improved her rank from 354 to 27 in ONE year at 16

AndreConrad
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Why is it a relevant question? Both women are very young and then never got to play each other. Tatiana is already retired. Trying to shoot each others opinions will not lead to anything :shrug:. The best of luck to Caroline on tennis court and to Tatiana in whatever she chooses to do.

Delfii
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Caro :worship: (only because is Vika's BFF :lol: no she is better than Tati)

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Tati retired at 20. Do you realize that? Only 20 years old :help: :help: And her game needed to be developed, unlike the WS for instance. Caro's game is efficient but I can't see her playing like that for years.

Oh, and last year, she told L'Equipe that it was very hard for her to watch the WTA because she already won against most of people who are winning at the moment. She is saying to herself that she could have played at a high level, reached the SF or finals.... and she is right.

The one who was the closest to beat amazing Sharapova at US Open 2006 was Tatiana. She gave Justine a lot of troubles. But she got so many injuries, it was hard for her to keep her groove up.

Oh talking about Justine Henin, don't you say she knows more than us about tennis? Well, she thinks Wozniacki is a good player, who plays with variety in her balls. But she never said she would have a bright future or something. Never. She said that Tatiana had so much talent that she was convinced that Vaidisova, Jankovic and Golovin would be the next big things because tennis wise, they really impressed her.

Vaidisova was too stubborn to improve, Jankovic didn't really improve and still has mental lack, Golovin... then, she had to retire.

So Henin is now the definitive source on who is the better player?
Golovin never showed any top 5 game.. sorry. She gave certain players trouble? That doesn't mean anything.
You're the next big thing when you win something.. and Golovin never really won anything big.. she never did consistently well in slams or big tournaments. Ana seemed like the next big thing when she made the French quarters in her first appearance and then won a Tier I the next year.

All we have is what happened and from what we saw.. it was a top 15 player at best with a limited game.

AcesHigh
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:53 PM
btw, Caro>Aga>Golovin IMHO

I think Aga has more game than Tati and has better results in her career.

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:06 PM
So Henin is now the definitive source on who is the better player?
Golovin never showed any top 5 game.. sorry. She gave certain players trouble? That doesn't mean anything.
You're the next big thing when you win something.. and Golovin never really won anything big.. she never did consistently well in slams or big tournaments. Ana seemed like the next big thing when she made the French quarters in her first appearance and then won a Tier I the next year.

All we have is what happened and from what we saw.. it was a top 15 player at best with a limited game.

I trust Henin more than TF. I am sure you once said that. More than once, perhaps.

So, according to your logic, Caro already showed top 5 game ? So why does she have a terrible record against top players ? I mean, she is good, but Tatiana got injured way too many times to show she has huge talent, Caro didn't get injured (not that much) so it was easier for her. When Tatiana recovered from her injuries, she was slowly playing good... then got injured again.
It's like Kournikova, many people there say she had huge talent but never materialized it on the court. It's the same.

See Jankovic, Henin, Li Na, Bartoli, Safina, Pennetta and some others (Mauresmo won her first Slam late despite a slam final at 19) , they did almost nothing BEFORE 20 years old, and Tatiana had to retire at 20. What I am trying to say is that it's ridiculous to say Tati would have achieved nothing whatever happened.

So, I am talking tennis wise, not on achievements because Caro trumps Tati there.

btw, Caro>Aga>Golovin IMHO

I think Aga has more game than Tati and has better results in her career.

Aga's game is limited also. She can't beat power hitting players. :)

matty
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:09 PM
Another Caro vote thing. I started looking under the players forum here, but quickly found out it was somewhat pointless, as a vast part of all talk in the GM is about Caroline.

The haterz need to seek :help:. Professional :help:.

Just because someone thinks someone is a better tennis player doesn't mean they are a hater. Geez, lighten up.

delicatecutter
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:12 PM
Aga's game is limited also. She can't beat power hitting players. :)

Sometimes she can. I still dream of the 2007 USO 3r. :hearts:

matty
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:13 PM
So Henin is now the definitive source on who is the better player?
Golovin never showed any top 5 game.. sorry. She gave certain players trouble? That doesn't mean anything.
You're the next big thing when you win something.. and Golovin never really won anything big.. she never did consistently well in slams or big tournaments. Ana seemed like the next big thing when she made the French quarters in her first appearance and then won a Tier I the next year.

All we have is what happened and from what we saw.. it was a top 15 player at best with a limited game.

Hmm, I dunno--many players and commentators (with the expertise to comment) have said they think she is a bit of a pusher--it's just the truth. She's still able to win and was just ranked #2--she just happens to have a very defensive, pushing, playing style.

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Sometimes she can. I still dream of the 2007 USO 3r. :hearts:

Oh I know. Actually I really like Aga. Damn that match was amazing. But let's face it, she can't beat them regularly :tears:

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:23 PM
Oh I know. Actually I really like Aga. Damn that match was amazing. But let's face it, she can't beat them regularly :tears:

Amazing yeah can you tell me how many DF and UE Sharapova did?:rolleyes:

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:31 PM
Amazing yeah can you tell me how many DF and UE Sharapova did?:rolleyes:

I love you. :lol:

narutos
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:36 PM
I love you. :lol:

:lol: I'm serious how can anyone dream about this match it was so ugly.

delicatecutter
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:42 PM
:lol: I'm serious how can anyone dream about this match it was so ugly.

Because I was pissed off about Maria's catwalk draw that year and happy that it didn't come to fruition. :inlove:

Chorophyll
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:49 PM
Right... instead Chakvetadze, who is in your signature, took advantage and played one of the worst SF in history.

Shut the hell up.

debby
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:49 PM
:lol: I'm serious how can anyone dream about this match it was so ugly.

sovVGtaihf4

You can enjoy it again. :D I am too nice I know.

Ok I stop trolling for real, and now a video who will please the Golovin/Masha fans :

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Dav.
Jun 7th, 2010, 04:49 AM
Everyone voted for who they like better. :haha:

delicatecutter
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:21 AM
Everyone voted for who they like better. :haha:

God I hope not. No way so many people like Wozniacki more than Golovin. :speakles:

Inktrailer
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:28 AM
Lol, the Woz has more fans than the shouting in GM suggests:)

Either that or Golovin isn't as revered as people like to think.

delicatecutter
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:34 AM
Lol, the Woz has more fans than the shouting in GM suggests:)

Either that or Golovin isn't as revered as people like to think.

Or people voted on accomplishments. "Better" is a very subjective term.

Inktrailer
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:42 AM
Or people voted on accomplishments. "Better" is a very subjective term.

I suspect people are actually voting for who they like or, if they don't particularly like either, voting against the one they hate.

delicatecutter
Jun 7th, 2010, 05:56 AM
I suspect people are actually voting for who they like or, if they don't particularly like either, voting against the one they hate.

Not sure about that. AnnaK4eva voted for Caro and I know he hates her way more than he could ever hate Golovin. :rolls: Others probably voted in a similar fashion.

Delfii
Jun 7th, 2010, 06:06 PM
Caro :worship: :lol: she's waaay better :)