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samsam4087
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:14 PM
Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated and will never win a grand slam?

:confused::confused::confused:

http://ladyjoker.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/caroline-wozniacki.jpg

Julian.
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:16 PM
Over rated? :unsure::spit: If anything, she is underrated by this board.

I think she will win a slam one day.

Mrs. Dimitrova
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:18 PM
You have returned, samsam. :hearts:

elenadrocks
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:18 PM
i hope she doesn;t win one by pushing her way to a title. she has shown that if she wants to be aggressive she can, if she wins a GS that way, i will be happy for her.

as of now, NO WAY IN HELL SHE DESERVES ONE

rnwerner
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:19 PM
she is overrated, yes.
But she could win a grandslam and everybody would say that she's still overrated and that it was a lucky punch und we will have threads if she is a one slam wonder or anything similar...

but i think she will never win a grand-slam.
Probably no more grand-slam finals for her.

rockstar
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:20 PM
Over rated? :unsure::spit: If anything, she is underrated by this board.

I think she will win a slam one day.

yeah definitely underrated by tf

goldenlox
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:22 PM
I dont think she is over rated. She is a top young player. To win a major, she might have to improve her serve.

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:23 PM
I dont think she is over rated. She is a top young player. To win a major, she might have to improve her serve.
:confused: Her serve is actually decent.

goldenlox
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:25 PM
I dont think her serve was any good in her 3 big finals. USO, Madrid, IW.
You need some free points to win big matches

DragonFlame
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:30 PM
She´s 19 years old, #2 in the world and already made a slamfinal. :shrug: Who are we to judge she won't win a slam 4 years from now?

Just silly to call her overrated, voted no.

Just Do It
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:34 PM
:yawn:

Slutiana
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:36 PM
That was probably just a confidence thing as she was getting overwhelmed in those matches. But in everyday life her serve is pretty much the only part of her game that resembles a weapon.


The problem with Wozniacki is that her technique is so bad that she can't be consistently aggressive unless she makes some huge changes. Even on her backhand i've noticed that she is simply unable to soak up any sort of power - if someone attacks either side she only is able to take power off the ball rather than use it against them in the way that Jay Z does. But her serve is good, I also have reservations about the technique but for now it's secure, placed well, gets a fairly decent pace and is pretty reliable.

If she is to wn a slam she will need a lot of luck, that's for sure.

Noctis
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:36 PM
SAMSAM GOT HACKED,HE CHANGE HIS SLOGAN FROM 'Reach her peak' since 1962

Talula
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:41 PM
I love samsam's polls!

Anyway, I think she'll win a slam - several even.

TennisFan66
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:42 PM
Here we go again.

I am still waiting for the 'Has Wozniacki peaked'? Vote yes or no - thread.

We here have a girl, who is still a teenager. Ranked No 2 in the world; already been in a Slam final, yet some people devote so much of their time to these 'haterz' thread. Whats the point?

The haterz don't make ANY difference to how Caroline will perform and what she'll win in the future. Surely not even the delusional haterz think they have any influence on anything what-so-ever. Or do you? Seek :help:

Rafito.
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:46 PM
She will win a grand slam one day! Hopefully its this year :inlove:

madmax
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Well, one day she may win one if all decent players are retired and we are left with choking headcases...hopefully this day will never arrive though

Dandy_Warhol
Mar 28th, 2010, 01:59 PM
love your polls :kiss:

poulao
Mar 28th, 2010, 02:00 PM
This is a tricky one :lol:

Aaric
Mar 28th, 2010, 02:01 PM
She might win in Paris

poulao
Mar 28th, 2010, 02:10 PM
Then why not Wimbledon to?

Joe.
Mar 28th, 2010, 02:22 PM
one good thing about caro is that she is very versatile in the fact that she doesnt really play better on one surface than the other :) however i feel if she is going to win a grand slam it would be Roland Garros, on the faster surfaces players like Serena or Maria completely overpower her ;)

WozLolz
Mar 28th, 2010, 03:08 PM
She will almost certainly win a grandslam. Mental fortitude is a dangerous weapon amongst a group of mostly mentally weak individuals. And I hope Caro wins her 1st without hitting a single winner. :) It'd be fun to read about half of Tennis Forum spontaneously combusting.

We love the lemon Danish.:hearts:

doktor
Mar 28th, 2010, 03:18 PM
by this board, not underrated, if she comes up against an of of shape basher in a GS final i can see her winning...

Jajaloo
Mar 28th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Not if Jelena Jank-a-wig has anything to say about it :rocker2:

InsideOut.
Mar 28th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Underrated, but will still never win a grand slam. Unless she gets Kuznetsova in the SF and Dementieva in the final or whatever.

vwfan
Mar 28th, 2010, 03:25 PM
she's reached number 2 in the world. no one gifted her that rank--she worked day in and day out and got the wins to get her there.

she's a lot like Kim was before her U.S. Open breakthough after YEARS on the tour. now Kim is a force, particularly on hardcourts and has two Grand Slams and people actually talk about her in the same breath as Serena, Venus and Justine--all of whom are substantially more accomplished.

she will need to be playing lights out tennis, get a great draw and then have the other top players off their game a bit to get a Slam. can you say Myskina?

Gdsimmons
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:18 PM
I do think she is overrated. I just don't think she has anything 'special' about her game, that makes me go damn that was good.
But hey she made it to #2, so I guess she's doing something right

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:30 PM
she's reached number 2 in the world. no one gifted her that rank--she worked day in and day out and got the wins to get her there.

she's a lot like Kim was before her U.S. Open breakthough after YEARS on the tour. now Kim is a force, particularly on hardcourts and has two Grand Slams and people actually talk about her in the same breath as Serena, Venus and Justine--all of whom are substantially more accomplished.

she will need to be playing lights out tennis, get a great draw and then have the other top players off their game a bit to get a Slam. can you say Myskina?

So now game-wise she's in the same league as Myskina and KIM??? :tape:

Protoss
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:32 PM
one good thing about caro is that she is very versatile in the fact that she doesnt really play better on one surface than the other :) however i feel if she is going to win a grand slam it would be Roland Garros, on the faster surfaces players like Serena or Maria completely overpower her ;)
Roland Garros? Caro has only 2 top 20 wins on clay in her career, one of which was on green clay. :shrug: She has 1 top 20 win in 9 red clay tournaments played in 2008 and 2009. :shrug:

Beat
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:38 PM
did you just say overrated? she's getting trashed (at least on this board) all the time, so how could she possibly be overrated?

Wiggly
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:40 PM
She doesn't have the game to win a GS.
Whenever she faces an hard-hitting player, she can't do anything.

With 7 matches, there's too much chances she'll face a good player playing her A game and when that happens, the loss is inevitable.

Joana
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:43 PM
she's a lot like Kim was before her U.S. Open breakthough after YEARS on the tour. now Kim is a force, particularly on hardcourts and has two Grand Slams and people actually talk about her in the same breath as Serena, Venus and Justine--all of whom are substantially more accomplished.


What? How so? Kim had reached 4 Slam finals before winning her first USO title, won a number of big titles, got to #1 and had wins over all top players. It was considered an aberration that she hadn't won a Slam. And now it's an aberration if Wozniacki does win one.

AnywhereButHome
Mar 28th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Yes, she is REALLY over-rated. She will lose today and soon she will be out of the top 10, somewhere around 15-20 where her place really is :)

Arkanum
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:08 PM
I don't think her real ranking is #2 pt.
The better player have been injured or have been defeated by other players, but you can't blame CW for that.
CW still has to beat top 10 players regularly IMO.

But she is only 19. She works very hard and her game will improve.

So I'm sure she will win GS's on hardcore and grass in the future :)

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 28th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Everybody will win a Grand Slam after the retirement of Serena , Venus and the Belgians

BluSthil
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:16 PM
Over rated? :unsure::spit: If anything, she is underrated by this board.

I think she will win a slam one day.
I agree with Julian. If Caroline continues to work hard and keeps herself conditiond, she will definitely win a slam in the near future.

Setsuna.
Mar 28th, 2010, 08:36 PM
she dosen't have the game to win GS for now !
In the future, who knows what will happen to her game! it might change!
i think she is over-rated a little bit.

samsam4087
Mar 31st, 2010, 10:47 PM
She is over-rated.

samsam4087
Apr 17th, 2010, 02:36 PM
She doesn't have the game to win a GS.
Whenever she faces an hard-hitting player, she can't do anything.

With 7 matches, there's too much chances she'll face a good player playing her A game and when that happens, the loss is inevitable.

yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

PLP
Apr 17th, 2010, 05:33 PM
No, about 60% of the pollsters so far don't think she will win a GS, so I would say she is much under-rated.
:angel:

debby
Apr 17th, 2010, 05:34 PM
did you just say overrated? she's getting trashed (at least on this board) all the time, so how could she possibly be overrated?

This.

madmax
Apr 17th, 2010, 05:35 PM
it depends how is she rated and who rates her - I consider her TOP 50 talent in a game today, dunno if that is overrated

Kworb
Apr 17th, 2010, 06:01 PM
These threads are like samsam's own private player forums :worship::worship::worship:

Mynarco
Apr 17th, 2010, 06:02 PM
samsam :inlove:

King Halep
Apr 17th, 2010, 06:55 PM
samsam :inlove:

:)

samsam4087
Apr 17th, 2010, 11:53 PM
These threads are like samsam's own private player forums :worship::worship::worship:

:worship::worship::worship:

tea
Apr 18th, 2010, 07:08 AM
:worship::worship::worship:
This is the right board to ask this question. But it might have been answered already a few million times in a couple of hundreds threads. You may go to GM, then close your eyes, and click in random direction--- then open eyes, it would be a Caro dedicated thread you just entered. Then read any person with non Danish flag to understand how exactly rated she is.

Caralenko
Apr 18th, 2010, 07:14 AM
http://whitemeat.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dementieva_2.jpg

Bronx19
Apr 18th, 2010, 07:24 AM
She wont win a GS until she becomes more aggressive. Her game will beat all who cant put consistency and shots together on the same day, but none who do. Just look at what JJ did to her when she was on song.

Serenita
Apr 18th, 2010, 07:38 AM
I hope she wins one. will make her greater then lady Jaja and Dementia:hearts:

samsam4087
Apr 20th, 2010, 01:53 PM
I hope she wins one. will make her greater then lady Jaja and Dementia:hearts:

No way

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

RenaSlam.
Apr 20th, 2010, 01:56 PM
I hope she doesn't. Although she has improved a lot within the last year or so.

tonybotz
Apr 20th, 2010, 05:55 PM
i think all this Caro hate was started by Aleksandra Wozniak.

Andrew Laeddis
Apr 20th, 2010, 06:35 PM
She'll win the Golden Slam in 2016 and all of your heads will explode. :hearts:

BOOK IT.

Monzanator
Apr 20th, 2010, 06:51 PM
I hope she doesn't. Although she has improved a lot within the last year or so.

Well, somebody will have to win them once the sisters retire ;) And I'd rather want it be Wozniacki/Azarenka/Radwanska rather then Dementieva muscling her way through into mid 30s in chase of the white rabbit :rolleyes:

miffedmax
Apr 20th, 2010, 07:39 PM
I think this poll has passed it's peak and will never compete with the Lena D one.

King Halep
Apr 20th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Has samsam4087 passed her peak and will never make a better poll? :confused: :confused:

*Jool*
Apr 20th, 2010, 07:59 PM
no she's not ,and yes she might win (at least) a slam
I kinda hope so

ZODIAC
Apr 20th, 2010, 08:10 PM
she will eventually win a slam because she is consistent and is still very young,amongst her group of young players she has the most potential.She is good on the hard courts and clay so she has a chance at the USAOpen,Australia and RG.

young_gunner913
Apr 20th, 2010, 08:14 PM
I dont think her serve was any good in her 3 big finals. USO, Madrid, IW.
You need some free points to win big matches

She gets tons of free points: her opponents UE's.

BluSthil
Apr 20th, 2010, 09:11 PM
:wavey: I've seen Caroline play, and my feeling is that #2 is a bit premature. I definitely feel, however, that she should be in the top 5. If she continues to show up in the qtrs, semi's and finals, she may very well earn the #2 ranking. I like Caroline and her aggressive play, and I wish her the best... :) 55044

LCS
Apr 20th, 2010, 09:13 PM
Here we go again.

I am still waiting for the 'Has Wozniacki peaked'? Vote yes or no - thread.

We here have a girl, who is still a teenager. Ranked No 2 in the world; already been in a Slam final, yet some people devote so much of their time to these 'haterz' thread. Whats the point?

The haterz don't make ANY difference to how Caroline will perform and what she'll win in the future. Surely not even the delusional haterz think they have any influence on anything what-so-ever. Or do you? Seek :help:

samsam is not a hater! :fiery:

#1Davenport
Apr 20th, 2010, 09:19 PM
She has a ton of potential and isn't near the level of tennis she can achieve. So I believe she is going to be a multiple slam winner.

claypova
Apr 21st, 2010, 07:41 AM
:wavey: I've seen Caroline play, and my feeling is that #2 is a bit premature. I definitely feel, however, that she should be in the top 5. If she continues to show up in the qtrs, semi's and finals, she may very well earn the #2 ranking. I like Caroline and her aggressive play, and I wish her the best... :) 55044

:rolleyes:

Dor Y
Apr 21st, 2010, 07:48 AM
Yes. She is not going to win one. at least not in the next few years.

Juanes
Apr 21st, 2010, 10:22 AM
she was already very good junior player and it is not suprising for me she achieved No.2 in ranking... and i think she is able to win grand slam....

samsam4087
Apr 21st, 2010, 11:55 AM
samsam is not a hater! :fiery:

yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

Mrs. Dimitrova
Apr 21st, 2010, 12:08 PM
yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

No you're just a spammer. :lol:

samsam4087
May 5th, 2010, 10:47 PM
She lost again in Rome. She is over-rated.

Kworb
May 5th, 2010, 11:22 PM
She lost again in Rome. She is over-rated.
yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

delicatecutter
May 5th, 2010, 11:24 PM
I think this thread should be re-titled "Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated and will never win a Tier I?" :tape:

Mynarco
May 5th, 2010, 11:25 PM
I think this thread should be re-titled "Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated and will never win a Tier I?" :tape:

Or any tourny which the draw is bigger than 32

samsam4087
May 5th, 2010, 11:35 PM
I think this thread should be re-titled "Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated and will never win a Tier I?" :tape:

:lol::lol::lol:

ZODIAC
May 5th, 2010, 11:39 PM
Caro is the future of tennis,she is friendly and likeable...thats what tennis needs..a breath of fresh air.
ROCK ON YOU PYT!!!:rocker2::banana::cheer2:

Volcana
May 6th, 2010, 01:04 AM
1) She's UNDER-rated. Half this forum thinks she can't play at all.
2) I think she'll win A slam. Maybe two. Probably RG in the next cople years, and maybe late in her career she'll luck into an easy draw to pick up a second one.

She'll never be a dominant player, but you don;t have to be dominant to win slams. Just good, consistent, and have your draw work out so you only have to play one or two inspired matches.

Chorophyll
May 6th, 2010, 01:11 AM
1) She's UNDER-rated. Half this forum thinks she can't play at all.
2) I think she'll win A slam. Maybe two. Probably RG in the next cople years, and maybe late in her career she'll luck into an easy draw to pick up a second one.

She'll never be a dominant player, but you don;t have to be dominant to win slams. Just good, consistent, and have your draw work out so you only have to play one or two inspired matches.

I'm unsure if you've been paying attention to tennis, but Wozniacki does not have the game to triumph in Paris.

RenaSlam.
May 6th, 2010, 01:12 AM
Nah.

Chakvenus
May 6th, 2010, 01:15 AM
I'm unsure if you've been paying attention to tennis, but Wozniacki does not have the game to triumph in Paris.

i agree. she needs the fast courts in New York to aid in her non-aggressive game if shes to win a slam. she doesn't hit hard enough naturally for winners to be suited to slower surfaces. just because she's a grinder and uses topspin doesn't make her the next RG champion.

delicatecutter
May 6th, 2010, 01:16 AM
I'm unsure if you've been paying attention to tennis, but Wozniacki does not have the game to triumph in Paris.

This. She can't even make it to the 4th round there. :o

Noctis
May 6th, 2010, 06:49 AM
She has no Variety She has no Weapons Her FH is atrocious
She just push the ball back the only thing she does.

Patrick345
May 6th, 2010, 07:49 AM
I'm unsure if you've been paying attention to tennis, but Wozniacki does not have the game to triumph in Paris.

Yeah that is the last one she´ll win. Her balls are just too slow and sit up on red clay. That´s why Lucie Safarova wasted her. She can´t counterpunch and she can´t hit winners there.

LightsOut!
May 6th, 2010, 07:52 AM
She will win a slam... although I don't want her to... she is none of my faves but she's a great player...

DOUBLEFIST
May 6th, 2010, 07:54 AM
Overrated? Yes. (she is #2 after all)

Never win a slam? :shrug: She might get lucky once.

TennisFan66
May 6th, 2010, 08:02 AM
So Caro gets injured and loses a couple of early round matches .. Joy for the pathetics :tape:

bandabou
May 6th, 2010, 08:08 AM
She'll be very consistent in her career..she can win a major with a few lucky breaks. I think one of the hardcourt ones. Clay is not her surface, she doesn't have a clay-game at all.

Reptilia
May 7th, 2010, 05:02 AM
She seems like a real nice person and everything... But i HATE her technique and the way she plays

samsam4087
Jun 29th, 2010, 12:32 AM
She lost again!!

Kworb
Jun 29th, 2010, 12:45 AM
She is going the way of Cornet

Vikapower
Jun 29th, 2010, 12:58 AM
Wozniacki will win a slam if all this situations happens simultaneously : Kim, Justine, Serena, Venus, Dementieva, Francesca all pensions. Vika, Sabine, Sori, Alisa, Anastasia, Petra don't fulfill their talent. Maria, Ana never comes back at their best. Vaidisova decides to definitively pension. Safina, Jelena keeps choking in the GS. All the top 100 becomes ballbashers I would like like her chances. :hearts:

Inger67
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:08 AM
She is going the way of Cornet

Wait, has Alize ever made a slam final, reached #2, or even win more than 1 singles title? :rolleyes:

terjw
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:10 AM
Who knows whether she will win a slam. But can't see it at the moment and the near future.
.
She is not the 3rd most likely player to win a slam or tournament with all the top players playing so in that sense her ranking overrates her. But she has been the 3rd best player over the long haul of the previous 12 months.
.
Peak Caro <<< Peak a lot of players.
But peak is overrated here and doesn't tell the whole story as to how good you are.
.
Caro is way underrated on TF.

Kworb
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:15 AM
Wait, has Alize ever made a slam final, reached #2, or even win more than 1 singles title? :rolleyes:

I didn't say her career has been like Cornet's :shrug:

Vikapower
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:26 AM
Caro is way underrated on TF.
Yeah well could you give me results that pleads for her #3 ranking ? :rolleyes: Just pay attention to her technic, net game, transition game, her style of play etc... So much for underrated. :lol:

goldenlox
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:27 AM
Her results: Finals of USO, Madrid, IW.
SF YEC and 7 titles, still 19

Inger67
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:28 AM
I didn't say her career has been like Cornet's :shrug:

You said she is going the way of Cornet? You can't merely link the two because they are both young and frankly Caro isn't even struggling lately? None of her results or anything are similar to Alize in anyway.

But if you feel like they are, please explain. I would like to hear.

terjw
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:34 AM
Yeah well could you give me results that pleads for her #3 ranking ? :rolleyes: Just pay attention to her technic, net game, transition game, her style of play etc... So much for underrated. :lol:

Learn to read the whole post. :rolleyes:

Vikapower
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:40 AM
You said she is going the way of Cornet? You can't merely link the two because they are both young and frankly Caro isn't even struggling lately? None of her results or anything are similar to Alize in anyway. But if you feel like they are, please explain. I would like to hear.
As a world #3 Caroline is struggling. She's clearly struggling for results that confirms such a high ranking. Still 0 premier mandatory, 0 premier 5, she gets beaten 4 and 3, 2 and 3, 2 and 0 in front of any decent player in a GS... is there more to say ? If she wasn't struggling she wouldn't say "I don't care".

Her results: Finals of USO, Madrid, IW.
SF YEC and 7 titles, still 19
Well a final is not a win so still 0 premier 5 and mandatory. 7 titles of wich quality ? The highest Caro has won is a Tier II New Haven which has now became International so much to say. Sorry but Caro's results says that she's a top 50-100 player not top 5 otherwise she needs to proove it.

goldenlox
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:41 AM
Top 50-100 players are in a slam final and slam QFs? And super Tier i finals?

Amalgamate
Jun 29th, 2010, 01:59 AM
Top 50-100 players are in a slam final and slam QFs? And super Tier i finals?

:spit: Yes. Kvitova (#62), Kanepi (#80) & Pironkova (#82).

It will be a sad day for tennis if Caro ever wins a slam. Hell, it was pathetic when she made the Finals of the USO.

Blu€
Jun 29th, 2010, 02:18 AM
Yeah well could you give me results that pleads for her #3 ranking ? :rolleyes: Just pay attention to her technic, net game, transition game, her style of play etc... So much for underrated. :lol:

Could you give us any other players results that deserve to be 3/4 in the world instead of Caroline? Ranking isn't based on Slams just in case you don't remember that. Yes Caroline is not the third best player in the world but she is the 3/4 most consistent so far, therefore her ranking. That's just the way the ranking system works, though a lot of people still don't understand it, which amuses me since it's been like that for almost forever. ;)

miffedmax
Jun 29th, 2010, 02:46 AM
I'm just now conceding that Carling Bassett-Seguso might have passed her peak and probably won't win a slam.

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:04 AM
There seem to be a lot of people lately who have convinced themselves that Caro is a lock to win a slam, maybe even dominate women's tennis (some bright spark considers a worthy successor to Steffi's GOAT crown :lol:).

Now there's no doubt I respect that she's won a bunch of titles this year and reached #1.

But that doesn't change a thing about her slam history. She defeated her first former #1 in Sharapova at a slam this year, but lost to Zvonareva who she's otherwise beaten in most of their prior meetings. And that was one of the first times she'd lost to a player close to elite in a recent slam. Before that, it's mostly been the on-fire player of the moment.

Until she beats a true elite player at a slam (B-level Pova doesn't count, I'm talking Venus, Serena, Clijsters, Henin), and at least reaches a slam final beating someone better than Wickmayer, she doesn't deserve to be called a contender.

PandoraPandora
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:09 AM
There seem to be a lot of people lately who have convinced themselves that Caro is a lock to win a slam, maybe even dominate women's tennis (some bright spark considers a worthy successor to Steffi's GOAT crown :lol:).

Now there's no doubt I respect that she's won a bunch of titles this year and reached #1.

But that doesn't change a thing about her slam history. She defeated her first former #1 in Sharapova at a slam this year, but lost to Zvonareva who she's otherwise beaten in most of their prior meetings. And that was one of the first times she'd lost to a player close to elite in a recent slam. Before that, it's mostly been the on-fire player of the moment.

Until she beats a true elite player at a slam (B-level Pova doesn't count, I'm talking Venus, Serena, Clijsters, Henin), and at least reaches a slam final beating someone better than Wickmayer, she doesn't deserve to be called a contender.

How kind to bump a thread I had never seen! Caroline just wiped Vera off the court yesterday and is only 20.

Feel free to bump again when she wins her slam next year!:wavey:

ptitnavet
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:09 AM
I still think she won't win a GS before 2013 when Serena, Venus, Kim and Justine will retired.

Monzanator
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:10 AM
There seem to be a lot of people lately who have convinced themselves that Caro is a lock to win a slam, maybe even dominate women's tennis (some bright spark considers a worthy successor to Steffi's GOAT crown :lol:).

Now there's no doubt I respect that she's won a bunch of titles this year and reached #1.

But that doesn't change a thing about her slam history. She defeated her first former #1 in Sharapova at a slam this year, but lost to Zvonareva who she's otherwise beaten in most of their prior meetings. And that was one of the first times she'd lost to a player close to elite in a recent slam. Before that, it's mostly been the on-fire player of the moment.

Until she beats a true elite player at a slam (B-level Pova doesn't count, I'm talking Venus, Serena, Clijsters, Henin), and at least reaches a slam final beating someone better than Wickmayer, she doesn't deserve to be called a contender.

With all the usual contenders being far from their peak for various reasons lately (except for Clijsters), Caro's task for winning a slam is actually easier then it was for the likes of Clijsters herself and Mauresmo in the years gone by (I'm talking about them as the ones who were allegedly overdiue to win one in the past and tipped for the next new slam winner). Quite frankly she doesn't need to beat an elite player to win a slam, cause the most improved players this season (Stosur, Zvonareva and even Azarenka finding some mojo) are worthy Top 10s but not elite like WS, Belgians or peak Sharapova :shrug:

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:16 AM
With all the usual contenders being far from their peak for various reasons lately (except for Clijsters), Caro's task for winning a slam is actually easier then it was for the likes of Clijsters herself and Mauresmo in the years gone by (I'm talking about them as the ones who were allegedly overdiue to win one in the past and tipped for the next new slam winner). Quite frankly she doesn't need to beat an elite player to win a slam, cause the most improved players this season (Stosur, Zvonareva and even Azarenka finding some mojo) are worthy Top 10s but not elite like WS, Belgians or peak Sharapova :shrug:

Caro rarely beats even Stosur, Zvonareva and Azarenka-level players at slams and she loses to much worse players than them frequently.

madmax
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:25 AM
Caro rarely beats even Stosur, Zvonareva and Azarenka-level players at slams and she loses to much worse players than them frequently.

exactly...all it takes to dismiss Push is some in-form tall hard hitter, who doesn't choke at the occasion. I don't get this preconception that this talentless retriever is a LOCK to win slams, when much more talented players (like Dementieva) were unable to do so

Monzanator
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:26 AM
Caro rarely beats even Stosur, Zvonareva and Azarenka-level players at slams and she loses to much worse players than them frequently.

Which worse players she loses to frequently at the Slams?

JJ is a headcase and her #1 was even more disgraceful then Woz is now (4 titles vs 6 or 7 make it one significant difference already).

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:30 AM
Which worse players she loses to frequently at the Slams?

JJ is a headcase and her #1 was even more disgraceful then Woz is now (4 titles vs 6 or 7 make it one significant difference already).

Li Na, Schiavone (who Caro granted her first GS semi, eventually title), Kvitova (0 and 1). I'd consider these players worse than Caroline wouldn't you? :confused:

Monzanator
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:35 AM
Li Na, Schiavone (who Caro granted her first GS semi, eventually title), Kvitova (0 and 1). I'd consider these players worse than Caroline wouldn't you? :confused:

Yeah, but those were all one-offs. She easily beat Kvitova and Schiavone later in the year and I don't see her losing to neither of them on GS level again. It's like judging Clijsters' GS upon her loss to Petrova in Melbourne :shrug:

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:35 AM
Its crazy how some people have convinced themselves that Caroline isn't a very good talented player... Why choose her worst matches of the year as a reflection of her ability. Just Because her game is based placement and choosing the right shot doesnt mean she can't too have a bad day when she just doesn't see the ball as well or isn't moving as well as she normally does.. It would be like taking Clijsters matches against Petrova and Beatrice ?? as the true representaion of her level of play 2010..
What upcoming youngsters are able to compete with Caroline??? Anastasia P?... Azarenka is the closest but she needs to improve her serve like Caroline to join her at the top..
She may not win a slam in 2011 or even 2012 but she will almost certainly win a no. of slams in the future

Of course she's talented but it takes more than just talent, I mean look at Dementieva.

As for the bolded part, there doesn't have to be upcoming youngsters to compete with her, I mean she lost to Li Na and Schiavone this year who are in tennis years old women, and Kvitova, well she was the on-fire ballbasher of the tournament and around Caro's age as well. :shrug:

The point is there's always someone to stop Caroline. It can be a player of any age, just as long as they're in great form and don't choke.

Caro also thrives on court-coaching and seems to struggle in the slams without it. :shrug:

Carotastrophe
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:36 AM
Overrated? If anything, she's underated.

aisha
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:48 AM
Of course she's talented but it takes more than just talent, I mean look at Dementieva.

As for the bolded part, there doesn't have to be upcoming youngsters to compete with her, I mean she lost to Li Na and Schiavone this year who are in tennis years old women, and Kvitova, well she was the on-fire ballbasher of the tournament and around Caro's age as well. :shrug:

The point is there's always someone to stop Caroline. It can be a player of any age, just as long as they're in great form and don't choke.

Caro also thrives on court-coaching and seems to struggle in the slams without it. :shrug:


Wow, that's a great point you've raised. Very valid indeed. :hatoff:

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:54 AM
Who is going to win the slams?? Serena cannot play forever and even if she does her level will inevitably diminsh..Kim is retiting in 2012..Venus has become a choker at slams so right now you could make a similar argument against her slam chances...Henin?..I suppose you think Sharapova has a better chance as well, she may have but a case can easily be put against her not winning again (she has had much worse slam results and losses than Caro in the last 2 years, even losing to a loser like CAro in her last slam appearance:o:o:o)

Also what makes you think that a player who makes the F of a tournament at 19 and SF the following year has no chance of winning it in the future? Suppose her opponent in her next final is Vera Z, we all know who would most lightely win??

Again you're missing the point, which is, Caro doesn't lose to these elite players in the slams, she loses to inferior players. It doesn't matter what these elite players do in the slams because Caro always loses before she faces them. :secret:

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:58 AM
I'm not even saying Caro won't win a slam, but it's far, far from guaranteed. :lol:

Pasta-Na
Oct 31st, 2010, 08:58 AM
maybe... after 2012. :o

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:11 AM
she rarely loses to those type of players in other tournaments..e.g Toronto Beijing Toyko..Why do you think that she wont carry that to the slams someday? a consistent player like Woz will take advantage of the absence of Serena Kim someday??

Because players generally try harder in slams? I dunno. Take a look at Caro's slam history, it speaks for itself. :shrug:

madmax
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:30 AM
she rarely loses to those type of players in other tournaments..e.g Toronto Beijing Toyko..Why do you think that she wont carry that to the slams someday? a consistent player like Woz will take advantage of the absence of Serena Kim someday??

one could also ask why she loses to them so frequently in the slams too...could it be that all players try to reach their best form during a slam and play their best tennis there?

KBlade
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:38 AM
Because players generally try harder in slams? I dunno. Take a look at Caro's slam history, it speaks for itself. :shrug:

Also, there's 128 players, more rounds, which increases the chance of being bundled out before the finals. All the top players show up for the Grandslams, which is why Wozniacki has difficulty. In the tournaments that she's won, she's never had a victory over players that cause her significant issues, such as Serena, Kim or Venus, She's generally beaten headcases in her finals. When she proves that she can at least beat one of those players in a title run, then maybe she will have proven herself to me at least. Hopefully she can prove that to me by beating Kim in the final of YEC. That aside, she remains a VERY good player and I'm sure she will win a slam eventually.

zarl
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:45 AM
Because players generally try harder in slams? I dunno. Take a look at Caro's slam history, it speaks for itself. :shrug:

Yea.. and wow all those many many years shes had to write that history,
Lets look after 5-6years.. When shes Veras-Kims age..

terjw
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:52 AM
Because players generally try harder in slams? I dunno. Take a look at Caro's slam history, it speaks for itself. :shrug:

Caro's slam history hasn't been bad and overall she's been underrated and done better than expected.

Caro has only really been on the Radar for two years. It's meaningless going back any further than this and drawing any conclusions other than she been getting better and better.

Taking this year she was around #7 to#10 in the list of players odds for winning each of the slams. I think she was possibly #6 at USO. Certainly Azarenka and Sharapova were above her..

Anyway - this means she was expected to get 4th round and a possibly make QF. So she has done about pretty much as expected at AO, RG and Wimbledon but has been under-rated and performed better than expected at the USO in both years compared to her initial odds.

So I don't know why ppl think her slam record has been bad especiaklly considering she's only 20.

Now she's been on this tear since Wimbledon winning title after title - expectations have changed. But Wimbledon and RG she's only #6 to #7 in the list of odds. AO and USO she' #3 to #4. So now - the expectation is to make QF at Wimbledon and RG and SF at USO and AO.

This is really the benchmark for whether she over-performs or under-perfprms at slams next year.

C. W. Fields
Oct 31st, 2010, 10:23 AM
She defeated her first former #1 in Sharapova at a slam this year, but lost to Zvonareva who she's otherwise beaten in most of their prior meetings.

Actually Caro-Vera were 2-2 H2H before USO.

kman
Oct 31st, 2010, 10:27 AM
People forget that Caroline was injured during Wimbledon/French Open this year. After she recovered from the injury is when she went on her amazing streak.

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 10:38 AM
Actually Caro-Vera were 2-2 H2H before USO.

Oh my bad. Caro seems to have the advantage over her this year though, she's 3-1 right?

eDonkey
Oct 31st, 2010, 10:39 AM
People forget that Caroline was injured during Wimbledon/French Open this year. After she recovered from the injury is when she went on her amazing streak.

:yawn:
Of course she was as well as all players that have ever lost a match.:)

Pops Maellard
Oct 31st, 2010, 10:40 AM
Anyway I hope she beats Clijsters in YEC final, it will be a good start to her stint as #1.

C. W. Fields
Oct 31st, 2010, 02:58 PM
Oh my bad. Caro seems to have the advantage over her this year though, she's 3-1 right?

3-2

2010 CHARLESTON Zvonareva 5-2 (retirement)
2010 MONTREAL Wozniacki 6-3 6-2
2010 US OPEN Zvonareva 6-4 6-3
2010 BEIJING Wozniacki 6-3 3-6 6-3
And now YEC.
Overall H2H 4-3 Caro.

Andrewraven
Oct 31st, 2010, 03:11 PM
Of course she can, if schiavone can win a slam, caroline certainly can, she has had an amazing year

goldenlox
Oct 31st, 2010, 03:14 PM
That fall she took on green clay set her back.
At the end of 2015, Caroline will be 25.
Years and years of majors. She is the youngest YE #1 since Hingis, which was before the rules limiting young players.

CWTennis
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:04 PM
She is so underrated! Caro will win GS, I'm sure about it!

Welcome1
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:09 PM
No slams for Caro when Kim, Venus, Serena, Justine are on Tour

Bonfire
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:13 PM
the words Wozniacki and over rated should probably never be mentioned in the same sentence on this forum...so many posters constantly looking to discredit any talent or potential Caro may have regardless if she wins or loses a match.

bandabou
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:16 PM
She's tough..in that she so consistently good throughout a match, that any lapses..and she will pounce on you.

slamchamp
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:24 PM
She has the mentality which is enough nowadays

GoofyDuck
Oct 31st, 2010, 09:33 PM
with the current competition its inevitable someone like Caro will win a grandslam...

I'm not her fan but I can see her winning alteast 1 GS.

hpme
Nov 2nd, 2010, 05:11 AM
Caro deserves No.1 title. The ranking system is rational. Winning GS is not a prerequisite to be world No.1.

tennisphilia
Nov 2nd, 2010, 05:33 AM
She has a chance at the Australian.
That is, if Serena is not healthy and will once again blow the field away.

samsam4087
Jan 27th, 2011, 04:46 AM
She is over-rated and will never win a slam.

MHingisfan
Jan 27th, 2011, 05:14 AM
She is so underrated! Caro will win GS, I'm sure about it!

I agree to with you dreamer82 even though Caroline lost today in semi's Aussie Open! :yeah:

DragonFlame
Jan 27th, 2011, 05:15 AM
She is over-rated and will never win a slam.

LOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :spit: its so wierd seeing such a reply from you in one of your threads. :haha:

Pops Maellard
Jan 27th, 2011, 05:17 AM
She is over-rated and will never win a slam.

I'm down with that. :bounce:

samsam4087
Jun 12th, 2011, 03:17 PM
She is over-rated and will never win a slam.

Novichok
Jun 12th, 2011, 03:20 PM
She is only 20.:rolleyes:

She will win at least 1 slam.

Noctis
Jun 12th, 2011, 04:48 PM
She is over-rated and will never win a slam.

SamSam :hysteric::lol:

Ryusuke Tenma
Jun 12th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Oh, she'll win slams. She'll win A LOT of slams, and when she does, what will you haters say?? Fluke slams?? Can't wait to see the pathetic excuses you guys make up when she wins slams.

InsideOut.
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:20 PM
:rolleyes: She has already won 5th Slam Copenhagen twice in a row already. :rolleyes: She also won the alternative WTA Championship at Ponte Vedra Beach twice. All this at 20 years old. Step.

WozTakesAll
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Im looking forward to the day when 129 haters have to eat their own words.

Stonerpova
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Oh, she'll win slams. She'll win A LOT of slams, and when she does, what will you haters say?? Fluke slams?? Can't wait to see the pathetic excuses you guys make up when she wins slams.

I wish I had your magical gypsy powers that allow you to predict the future.

And to answer the OP's question I don't think she's overrated. She's certainly not the best player in the world, but who else is gonna be ranked #1? I think it's really nice of her to keep Serena's spot warm while she recovers :hug:

Novichok
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:44 PM
I wish I had your magical gypsy powers that allow you to predict the future.

And to answer the OP's question I don't think she's overrated. She's certainly not the best player in the world, but who else is gonna be ranked #1?

I'm sure you also want the same gypsy powers that Caro haters are using to say that she won't win a slam?:confused:

Stonerpova
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:45 PM
I'm sure you also want the same gypsy powers that Caro haters are using to say that she won't win a slam?:confused:

I'll take whatever gypsy powers I can get :lol:

Alejandrawrrr
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:50 PM
I personally don't think her current game is one fitting of a grand slam champion[1][2]

[1] However RG hasn't had such a legendary lineup post-henin era, so... :shrug:

[2] In this era she'll be one of the favorites at any slam she enters, so anyone saying she CAN'T is delusional. At the HC slams especially she's been a top 3 contender for some time now.

goldenlox
Jun 12th, 2011, 05:54 PM
I might be over rating Caroline, because I think she is one of the best players on the tour, and probably the best young player.
I enjoy watching players move on thruout their careers.
I think Caroline, Nastia, Vika, and a few others will be the top players in 3-5 years.

I expect Caroline to be a huge factor the next decade

C. Drone
Jun 12th, 2011, 06:43 PM
I might be over rating Caroline, because I think she is one of the best players on the tour, and probably the best young player.
I enjoy watching players move on thruout their careers.
I think Caroline, Nastia, Vika, and a few others will be the top players in 3-5 years.

I expect Caroline to be a huge factor the next decade

nah.

Level55
Jun 12th, 2011, 07:19 PM
Whether she wins a slam or not, people who hate her are pathetic. There is no need to be so nasty!

Fuzzylogic
Jun 12th, 2011, 07:32 PM
I do think she'll win Slams sometime. Not because she is that good, but eventually she will have a favorable draw or the standard of the WTA will probably drop so low, she'll be able to push-out everyone.

Inger67
Jun 12th, 2011, 07:39 PM
She is going to win at least one slam in her career. She is 20 years old and already has 18 titles, and quite a list of Tier 1 titles too.

Sammo
Jun 12th, 2011, 07:58 PM
I think that she's underrated and that she will eventually win a Grand Slam. I still dislike her tho.

18majors
Jun 12th, 2011, 08:30 PM
No, she won't win any slams.

Setsuna.
Jun 12th, 2011, 08:52 PM
I can see her winning a slam but she won't be the best player in her generation. Kvitova & maybe Pavly will be better than her.

Miracle Worker
Jun 12th, 2011, 08:58 PM
And another epic thread about our lovely Sunshine was bumped :dance:

And yes. She will win something, when all good players retire. And now you can hate me.

Maria rocks
Jun 12th, 2011, 09:46 PM
I don't think she is over rated and yes im sure she will win a slam. My good lord she is only 20. Years ahead of her yet.

toxina90
Jun 12th, 2011, 10:39 PM
I still think she won't win a GS before 2013 when Serena, Venus, Kim and Justine will retired.

This

Chrissie-fan
Jun 13th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Over-rated by whom? Surely not by the trash talking posters on GM in who's opinion she shouldn't even be in the top 100. Having said that, such posters (and there are many of them at GM) rarely say what they really think but just post an insult that they hope will annoy those on the other side of the argument, usually accompanied by a smilie to remind us all of how funny they are. Interesting by the way that some of them have names of players in their sig that would commit murder to win the tournaments that when Caro wins them are called MM tournaments by the fans of said players. Others who support the likes of Williams or other legends can belittle Wozniacki's achievements from a more comfortable position since their player(s) have set a standard that is impossible for Caro (or virtually anyone else) to live up to. It's easy to be up there on Mount Olympus and piss on those who are trying to make the climb while you argue that they will never make it.

Over-rated by Wozniacki's fans than maybe? Some of them probably, yes. Although I'm sure that all the negativity from the multitudes of Caro bashers makes them exaggerate their expectations somewhat in an attemp to compensate and demonstrate their loyalty. Personally I HOPE that Wozniacki will one day win a grand slam. Not to be able to brag to the Caro bashers here, "I told you so." To care about what they think would imply a certain degree of respect for them, and I just don't have any. I want her to win one because I like her and it would make me happy for her and myself as a fan. Am I SURE that she will win one? No, she's likely to be in the mix on many an occassion in the future (especially at the AO and USO), but you never know for sure if someone can win one until they actually do it. And will she be a failure if by the end of her career she hasn't won one (or more)? Not as far as I'm concerned. You're only a failure if you give up trying and I'm confident that Caroline will always compete to the best of her ability.

swim4life227
Jun 13th, 2011, 07:58 AM
She won't ever win a slam. She's clearly past her prime and peak.

mboyle
Jun 13th, 2011, 08:09 AM
I mean, Li Na and Schiavone are both slam winners, and Caro is better than both of them. They didn't win until 29. I think she'll end up with 2-4 slams, if I were betting.

TennisGrandSlam
Jun 13th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated and will never win a grand slam?

:confused::confused::confused:

http://ladyjoker.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/caroline-wozniacki.jpg

:mad::mad::mad:

I believe that she can win Grand Slam!

samsam4087
Jul 3rd, 2011, 03:05 AM
Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated and will never win a grand slam?

:confused::confused::confused:

http://ladyjoker.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/caroline-wozniacki.jpg

I don't think she will win one.

:worship::worship::worship:

atennisfanid
Jul 3rd, 2011, 03:39 AM
I think the word "slamless" will be reworded as "slamniacki"

;D

Valupatitta
Jul 3rd, 2011, 03:41 AM
she sucks kim/na deserves number 1 spot this year

MH0861
Jul 3rd, 2011, 03:41 AM
Overanked? Yes.

Overrated? No. 95% of this forum hates her. :lol:

Will she win a slam? I'd be absolutely shocked if she doesn't win one.

lefty24
Jul 3rd, 2011, 04:29 AM
I think she has the talent and determination to win a slam, she just needs to change her style of play.

I also don't think she's over-rated. No one really expects much of her or calls her an amazing tennis player.

DeliriousPotato
Jul 3rd, 2011, 04:39 AM
She has the wall-like proportions to benefit from a weak lucky draw. She can definitely win by top players default :)

I think we should wait until the US Open. Clay and Grass are not her surfaces and now that Petra just became more relevant than her, she actually needs to prove that she is one of her generation's leaders.

Not sure about her mental strength, even I have to admit that she gift wrapped her Semi Final at the Australian for Nana...

Zvonapova
Jul 3rd, 2011, 05:15 AM
She'll win a slam or two. Probably either the Australian or U.S. Open. This board is just ripping the poor girl a new one because she benefits from a lame ranking system lol. She's not great, but she's a solid player who has proven she can go on a run and make it deep into the draw if things fall into place right (U.S. Open `09 and `10). Hell if it wasn't for Comeback Kimmie she'd probably already have one lol

Gilas.
Jul 3rd, 2011, 05:20 AM
Of course she will :worship:

lang26
Jul 3rd, 2011, 01:26 PM
She Will No Doubt We Still Have One more Slam To Go U.S. Open :worship:

samsam4087
Sep 11th, 2011, 03:09 AM
She Will No Doubt We Still Have One more Slam To Go U.S. Open :worship:

She will lose in US Open again this year.

:lol::lol::lol:

samsam4087
Sep 11th, 2011, 03:40 AM
She is definitely overrated.

bjurra
Sep 11th, 2011, 03:48 AM
She is definitely overrated.

By whom?

CaroFanForever
Sep 11th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Caro is still #1 player in the world that means she is still the best. Haters are gonna hate.

moemoe
Sep 11th, 2011, 03:51 AM
She still has a chance but she has to change some things. I think she will.

Dodoboy.
Sep 11th, 2011, 03:57 AM
When Serena is out of the picture...

And a few others.

DragonFlame
Sep 11th, 2011, 04:10 AM
Maybe the caro 2010 version... :shrug:

Setsuna.
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:12 AM
She needs 2 things to happen in order to win a slam:

1. Serena to retire or gets injured again.
2. Luck (The players who can beat her goes out early)

Belmont Lad
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:22 AM
She will never win a slam. Period.

kaktusino
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:25 AM
She won't. She will win a lot of big titles in the future, but her game is not good enough for a GS.

tennisphilia
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:26 AM
CARO can win a grand slam. She just needs to find a male partner and enter the mixed doubles tournament.

CaroFanForever
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:27 AM
CARO can win a grand slam. She just needs to find a male partner and enter the mixed doubles tournament.

^whatever

Caro has a great chance in singles too. She was just unlucky today. She really deserved to win :sad:

doomsday
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:30 AM
CARO can win a grand slam. She just needs to find a male partner and enter the mixed doubles tournament.

:lol::worship:

Vikapower
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:32 AM
CARO can win a grand slam. She just needs to find a male partner and enter the mixed doubles tournament.

Didn't Oudin win a major in US Open mix this year ? :oh: You're right ! :cool:

spencercarlos
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:39 AM
^whatever

Caro has a great chance in singles too. She was just unlucky today. She really deserved to win :sad:
The pusher deserved a 6-1 6-0 defeat. Serena was very kind tonight to her BFF.

Bonfire
Sep 11th, 2011, 05:41 AM
Over-rated? well unless the definition of that word has changed recently, I would say "No"
Can she win a slam? Of course, but I'm not a fortune teller so who knows?

I think she could help herself out a bit by continuing to improve aspects of her game. Her serve seems to be deserting her in most of her matches recently. That's a big problem. Her forehand was looking alot better against Petkovic actually but tonight...not so good. Nerves seem to be an issue for her in slams as well.
I was curious as to how much fight she would try to throw at Serena but unfortunately it just wasn't there. Serena wasn't letting her "go there" tonight anyway. Just a mis-match really.

Maybe this supposed coaching change will help steer her in a more favorable direction.

CaroFanForever
Sep 11th, 2011, 06:03 AM
Caro is so underrated in this forum it makes me sick. You guys may not be impressed by her slam performances but hey who cares they're just slams. Slams are overrated and shouldn't be so. Caro has won more titles than anyone this year on tour. That in itself proves what a great #1 she is.

LikeAG6
Sep 11th, 2011, 07:36 AM
Obviously she's neither overrated nor underrated. She has beaten some top players before but has folded against some as well. She will only win a slam when the likes of Clijsters and Serena are gone because she simply cannot beat them. Period. The only competition she has when Kim and Rena are gona will be Azarenka, Kvitova, Pavs, Zvonareva, Sharapova etc. Asides from Azarenka and Pavs who are Woz's pigeons, there's not much competition left. So I guess Wozniacki could sneak out probably 3 or 4 slams before her career declines.

samsam4087
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:10 PM
I don't think she will win any slam in 2012.

Polikarpov
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:15 PM
I don't think she will win any slam in 2012.

Yes, well said.:worship::worship::worship:

Coconut91
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:18 PM
I don't think she will win any slam in 2012.

AO, FO and Wimbly seem particularly difficult for her to win at the moment. And as long as Serena and Kim are in the picture, it doesn't seem likely that she wins the USO either.

samsam4087
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:20 PM
AO, FO and Wimbly seem particularly difficult for her to win at the moment. And as long as Serena and Kim are in the picture, it doesn't seem likely that she wins the USO either.

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

The80sMoviesFan
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:22 PM
Deepnds what you mean by overrated? She's can't reach any higher than she has...the pinnacle being the number one in world rankings....

Do I shake my head when I watch her play.... and ask how she ever became number one? Yes

Do I ask myself why is she dating Rory McIlroy? Of course

You know...if she won one or more slam titles, I think some people would still have it in her her, but I like her....

NeKo
Jan 17th, 2012, 01:41 PM
If she faces Cirstea soon, she will lose. I remember that since they were best friends and Wozniacki was always better ranked, Cirstea was also coming on top.

Smitten
Jan 17th, 2012, 11:53 PM
Yes, well said.:worship::worship::worship:

:lol:

BikezAreForever!
Jan 17th, 2012, 11:58 PM
Definitely over-rated. I know Bleacher report does not have a great reputation, but I agree with their piece about Serena and Woz:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1027955-serena-williams-why-american-star-isnt-scared-of-no-1-caroline-wozniacki

That means she (Woz) isn't a threat. If the younger Williams sister was forced to develop a list of players she would least like to see in a potential final, Wozniacki probably wouldn't even be on it because she doesn't possess the weapons to beat her.

All told, there are a handful of players on tour who could give Williams a run for her money. It just so happens the world's No. 1-ranked player isn't one of them.

JCTennisFan
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:10 AM
She is most surely overrated, I dont think that should be a debate honestly. I cant say whether or not she will win a slam someday. If Kuzzie can win the 04 US open or Momo can win the 06 AO with retirements in the SF and F (along with a third early round retirement) then just about anything can happen if the cards fall in the right place at the right time.

Do I think that her current game is enough to win a slam without a fair deal of luck going her way? Not personally, no.

dragonflies
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:20 AM
CARO can win a grand slam. She just needs to find a male partner and enter the mixed doubles tournament.




Oudine and her sock ain't retired yet. Don't you BELIEVE? :rolleyes:

TheWizardHat
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:24 AM
If mugs like Kuznetsova and Myskina can win a slam, Wozniacki can win multiple. The base of a slam winner is there - she just needs to add a little offense and learn to put away points at the net.

RenaSlam.
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:29 AM
This girl sucks.

Dominika23
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:45 AM
I think she will Slam Sooner or Later,

thegreendestiny
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:55 AM
I think she will Slam Sooner or Later,

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrd6a0rR621r0ojhto1_500.gif

slamchamp
Jan 18th, 2012, 12:56 AM
This girl sucks.
Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

samsam4087
Jan 24th, 2012, 03:45 AM
Clearly nobody feels she will win a slam.

nfl46
Jan 24th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Honestly, I don't think she will ever win a GS.

Tupelo2
Jan 24th, 2012, 03:47 AM
The question is flawed naturally. Who's 'over-rating' her? NO ONE thinks that shes the best player in the world and the #1 ranking doesnt signify that.

I feel bad for her. How many people out there make the most out of the ability that they have? Shes had a great deal of success. She works hard. Shes a fighter. I hope she falls to #3/#4 and enjoys her life.

On a side note, seriously, how is Chris Evert allowed to do these matches?

samsam4087
Jan 24th, 2012, 04:17 AM
She lost again. Well done Kim!!!

RCCA
Jan 24th, 2012, 04:28 AM
I don't know if CW will win a major, but if she does, hats off to her. She certainly is capable, and she has her work cut out for her. I would love to see her up her game and pull it off.

PMBH
Jan 24th, 2012, 05:00 AM
I feel certain that Caro will win a major one day if she stays relatively injury free. If Schiavone, Li Na and Stosur were able to benefit from a mix of sudden once-in-a-lifetime form and various other contributing factors, I see no reason why Caro shouldn't do the same one day.

But the big question is whether she will ever become that multiple slam winner that she was once predicted to be. She still has time on her side, especially since no new Steffi Grafs seem to be pressing on among the juniors. But the degree of Caro's future success relies almost entirely on the outcome of the transformation process she's currently undergoing. She can only take the last step up the career ladder if she manages to add more aggression to her game while keeping her strong defensive skills. Time will tell...

justineheninfan
Jan 24th, 2012, 05:07 AM
I feel certain that Caro will win a major one day if she stays relatively injury free. If Schiavone, Li Na and Stosur were able to benefit from a mix of sudden once-in-a-lifetime form and various other contributing factors, I see no reason why Caro shouldn't do the same one day.


Actually 3 major reasons why that wouldnt happen:

1. Schiavone, Na, and Stosur did not win their slams in a remotedly "normal" period for womens tennis. You cant seriously think womens tennis will see many more periods like 2010-2011 for a very long time to come. Even comically crazy still wouldnt be at the same level.

2. Schiavone, Na, and Stosur are late bloomers. Wozniacki who reached #1 at age 20 is obviously far from going to be one. This is the gravy period of her career, when she is near 20, not when she is near 30.

3. Na and Stosur will never be as consistent as Wozniacki is/was, but on their best day they are far better with much bigger weapons than Wozniacki, thus more capable of winning the big matches needed to win a major.

Dominika23
Jan 24th, 2012, 06:35 AM
^ U Make No Sense Wat So Ever

chingching
Jan 24th, 2012, 06:41 AM
She is not overrated but she will never win a grand slam
I think she is better than ppeople give her credit for but I still think she will never win a grand slam.

samsam4087
Jan 24th, 2012, 02:27 PM
She is not overrated but she will never win a grand slam
I think she is better than ppeople give her credit for but I still think she will never win a grand slam.

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

Tennis Observer
Jan 24th, 2012, 02:58 PM
@ samsam4087 I voted No. Here are my take for both of your questions:

1. Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated?
I don’t overestimate the merits (= overrated) of “Ms Sunshine”, who won almost 4 out of 5 matches in 2011 and I acknowledge her victories against these (former) Top 10 players:


Tournament round opponent live ranking results

GS Australian Open QF [6]Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 11 36 63 63
P5 Dubai SF [6]Jelena Janković (SRB) 13 75 63
PM Indian Wells QF [8]Victoria Azarenka (BLR) 1 30 ret due to left hip injury
PM Indian Wells SF [16]Maria Sharapova (RUS) 4 61 61
P Charleston SF [5]Jelena Janković (SRB) 13 64 64
P5 Rome SF [5]Jelena Janković (SRB) 13 63 16 63
P Brussels QF [3]Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 11 64 46 63
P New Haven SF [3]Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 11 76(2) 63
GS US Open QF [10]Andrea Petkovic (GER) 10 63 76(3)
YE Championship RR [8]Agnieszka Radwańska (POL) 6 57 62 64

After evaluating these result IMO it’s fair to say that Caro currently is over-ranked (Martina Navrátilová: “Clearly nobody feels that Wozniacki is a true number one”) because of her limited success against Top 10 players during major events. Reasons for this incongruity are:

A players ranking is determined by her nine mandatory results and seven best results out of her tournaments of choices during a rolling 52 week-period. If we are focusing at her results in 2nd half of 2011, she would # 8 (and still qualified for YEC.
[1]seeding delivers her (unseeded) lower ranked opponents in earlier rounds for easier wins but same money & ranking points as for major upset.
More and more top players don’t participate or pull out in major events for various reasons.
Field is much more competitive.


IMO we don’t talk about whether or not Caroline Wozniacki delivers results we expect from a “true number one” after PM Indian Wells 2012.

2. Do you think that Caroline Wozniacki will never win a grand slam?
Answer in another thread (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20829725&postcount=51)

MyskinaManiac
Jan 24th, 2012, 03:18 PM
A lot needs to change in her game. Her serve needs to be beefed up a lot. I can only see her winning a slam if she had a solid-clutch first serve to get her out of trouble or draw a short ball. A case in point, Clijsters' first US Open, she served Pierce off the court. And she needs to take the ball earlier, something her idol Hingis championed.

Other than that, I don't see her winning a slam. She'd need to radically change her game.

Noctis
Jan 24th, 2012, 03:37 PM
I am sorry keep beating these players that one JJ is not good shape,
Aga and Vika her friends,Fran she's 30 something. Can't beat an injured Kim or Serena, or win a set when it counts.
And het Twitter followers as evidence to proof her popularity :hysteric:

Matt01
Jan 24th, 2012, 05:40 PM
@ samsam4087 I voted No. Here are my take for both of your questions:

1. Do you think Caroline Wozniacki is over-rated?
I don’t overestimate the merits (= overrated) of “Ms Sunshine”, who won almost 4 out of 5 matches in 2011 and I acknowledge her victories against these (former) Top 10 players:


Tournament round opponent live ranking results

GS Australian Open QF [6]Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 11 36 63 63
P5 Dubai SF [6]Jelena Janković (SRB) 13 75 63
PM Indian Wells QF [8]Victoria Azarenka (BLR) 1 30 ret due to left hip injury
P Charleston SF [5]Jelena Janković (SRB) 13 64 64
P5 Rome SF [5]Jelena Janković (SRB) 13 63 16 63
P Brussels QF [3]Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 11 64 46 63
P New Haven SF [3]Francesca Schiavone (ITA) 11 76(2) 63
GS US Open QF [10]Andrea Petkovic (GER) 10 63 76(3)
YE Championship RR [8]Agnieszka Radwańska (POL) 6 57 62 64

After evaluating these result IMO it’s fair to say that Caro currently is over-ranked (Martina Navrátilová: “Clearly nobody feels that Wozniacki is a true number one”) because of her limited success against Top 10 players during major events. Reasons for this incongruity are:

A players ranking is determined by her nine mandatory results and seven best results out of her tournaments of choices during a rolling 52 week-period. If we are focusing at her results in 2nd half of 2011, she would # 8 (and still qualified for YEC.
[1]seeding delivers her (unseeded) lower ranked opponents in earlier rounds for easier wins but same money & ranking points as for major upset.
More and more top players don’t participate or pull out in major events for various reasons.
Field is much more competitive.


IMO we don’t talk about whether or not Caroline Wozniacki delivers results we expect from a “true number one” after PM Indian Wells 2012.

2. Do you think that Caroline Wozniacki will never win a grand slam?
Answer in another thread (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20829725&postcount=51)


I see the 6:1,6:2 destruction of Sharapova somehow didn't make it into your list?

Tennis Observer
Jan 24th, 2012, 06:21 PM
I hope you feel better as I updated the result you mentioned; however, I didn't include it at the first place, because [16]Maria Sharapova (# 18) was not among Top 10 players at Indian Wells 2011.

Kipling
Jan 24th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Never is a long time. There could be a epic case of food poisoning at one of the slams and Caro, by some bizarre coincidence, might oversleep, missing dinner, thus winning seven matches in defaults. One never knows.....

C. Drone
Jan 25th, 2012, 01:35 AM
I hope you feel better as I updated the result you mentioned; however, I didn't include it at the first place, because [16]Maria Sharapova (# 18) was not among Top 10 players at Indian Wells 2011.

thats why those kind of stats are often misleading.
She was in an upwarding spiral (aka tougher opponent) with SF and F at Premier Mandatory event, and that helped her to enter top10.
While otoh, she was injured and out of form at YEC. Still Stosur and Li got the "top10" win in books for that.

samsam4087
Jan 26th, 2012, 11:49 PM
Never is a long time. There could be a epic case of food poisoning at one of the slams and Caro, by some bizarre coincidence, might oversleep, missing dinner, thus winning seven matches in defaults. One never knows.....

Well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

jameshazza
Jan 27th, 2012, 12:01 AM
She will win a Slam. If Fran can sneak one... But she may win a couple in a few years time if she vastly improves her game.

TheWizardHat
Jan 27th, 2012, 12:21 AM
She will win US Open this year.

Otlichno
Jan 27th, 2012, 12:24 AM
She is so underrated by this board. :yawn: I believe she will win a Grand Slam, but I think it will take her a bit longer than she expected.

Noctis
Jan 27th, 2012, 01:17 AM
I had a nightmare yesterday she won USO :o

theFutureisNow
Jan 27th, 2012, 02:11 AM
One way to look at it is to ask how many players have won a slam in her situation.

She has gone 20 straight slams without winning one. I know that there are a few players who have done this and then won, but it is rare(Clijsters, Schiavone).

A rough guess is that there are at least 3 top 5 players who have never won a slam for every 1 that has played 20 then won one.

So I would give her about a 25% chance to win one.

samsam4087
Jun 28th, 2012, 04:37 AM
She will never win a slam.

CWTennis
Jun 28th, 2012, 07:45 AM
She will never win a slam.

Thank you Nostradamus, now I can stop wasting my time watching her matches! :rolleyes:

theFutureisNow
Jun 28th, 2012, 10:21 AM
One way to look at it is to ask how many players have won a slam in her situation.

She has gone 20 straight slams without winning one. I know that there are a few players who have done this and then won, but it is rare(Clijsters, Schiavone).

A rough guess is that there are at least 3 top 5 players who have never won a slam for every 1 that has played 20 then won one.

So I would give her about a 25% chance to win one.

Now up to 22 straight and seems to be going downhill. Not a top 5 player any more. Probably now at about 10%.

Still, Caro has a chance. It's hard to see her playing much worse than she is now. Sharapova might retire early. Kvitova and Azarenka might become career underachievers. The younger generation is absolutely horrendous so her slam window will be longer than usual.

samsam4087
Sep 24th, 2012, 11:54 AM
I am sure she will never win a slam.

Juju Nostalgique
Sep 24th, 2012, 11:59 AM
She just won Korean Slam and heads now to Sofia... :tape:

There goes the #1 pusher... :tape:

cehowardrx7
Sep 24th, 2012, 12:11 PM
Yes and no!

She was over-rated when she had the #1 ranking, when in reality, she was no where near being the #1 player in the world. On her winning a grand slam, she might do that if the competition dwindles, and there is weak opponents. No Serean, Vika, etc.. Other than that, her game has to come up about 5 levels to beat the top players and win a slam. Top players are on slams, at least most of the time. She can rack up points and matches in the lessor matches where the competition is weak.

Again, she is about her correct ranking now, and her game has to vastly improve in order to win a grand slam!!

samsam4087
Sep 24th, 2012, 12:24 PM
Yes and no!

She was over-rated when she had the #1 ranking, when in reality, she was no where near being the #1 player in the world. On her winning a grand slam, she might do that if the competition dwindles, and there is weak opponents. No Serean, Vika, etc.. Other than that, her game has to come up about 5 levels to beat the top players and win a slam. Top players are on slams, at least most of the time. She can rack up points and matches in the lessor matches where the competition is weak.

Again, she is about her correct ranking now, and her game has to vastly improve in order to win a grand slam!!

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

The_roof
Sep 24th, 2012, 01:53 PM
hopefully never

NashaMasha
Sep 24th, 2012, 02:24 PM
She was overrated and her №1 was ridiculous and disastrous for WTA , now she is a bit underrated, because she is definitely a player who belongs to the second small elite group behind top 4

She should be ranked 5-8

dencod16
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:01 PM
She is not overrated, she was overranked yes, but not overrated. She was never really a favorite to win a slam. Everyone is saying she needs to improve her game to get a slam.

The_roof
Sep 24th, 2012, 04:37 PM
She was overrated and her №1 was ridiculous and disastrous for WTA , now she is a bit underrated, because she is definitely a player who belongs to the second small elite group behind top 4

She should be ranked 5-8

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justineheninfan
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Her ending two straight years as the computer WTA #1 (even if in 2011 nobody considered her the #1 player for the year at years end) will for milleniums to come be the all time low point of the WTA most likely. Right now she is in an appropriate place for a player of her abilities.

Olórin
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:18 PM
Her ending two straight years as the computer WTA #1 (even if in 2011 nobody considered her the #1 player for the year at years end) will for milleniums to come be the all time low point of the WTA most likely. Right now she is in an appropriate place for a player of her abilities.

2011 was Petra's year if anyone's and was at least recognised as "real #1" by the ITF making her world champion.

But the rankings in 2010 became a complete joke after Serena got injured. It had started out so respectably with her winning two slams as the number one seed - for only the 7th and 8th time in the past 10 years. I find it baffling that they wouldn't use the discretion they have in previous years to part with the computer rankings to award the best player for that year. I mean Serena did win more slams than anyone else and spent most of the year at #1. Now the YE#1 for 2010 and 2011 just looks awful. A player who didn't even make a slam final in those years and will probably never make one since.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:21 PM
In terms of ability, Wozniacki is definitely a better player than the likes of Errani, Bartoli, Radwanska and Kerber who are all ranked ahead of her.

NashaMasha
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:24 PM
2011 was Petra's year if anyone's and was at least recognised as "real #1" by the ITF making her world champion.

But the rankings in 2010 became a complete joke after Serena got injured. It had started out so respectably with her winning two slams as the number one seed - for only the 7th and 8th time in the past 10 years. I find it baffling that they wouldn't use the discretion they have in previous years to part with the computer rankings to award the best player for that year. I mean Serena did win more slams than anyone else and spent most of the year at #1. Now the YE#1 for 2010 and 2011 just looks awful. A player who didn't even make a slam final in those years and will probably never make one since.

we might have had №1 this year (only luck saved WTA from this disgrace) , who had QF, 3R, F, 4R and 1R at Olympics :lol: At the same time Serena with 2 Slams and Olympics , Vika/Masha with Slam/Final/SF + medals

Something is wrong with WTA computer ,as it's still possible to cheat this system, even when 3 players have perfect season and are not part-timers

Excelscior
Sep 24th, 2012, 10:32 PM
In terms of ability, Wozniacki is definitely a better player than the likes of Errani, Bartoli, Radwanska and Kerber who are all ranked ahead of her.

Not trying to flame, but is this really true?

I can see if you said BETTER even (based off of Caro's much debated and questioned success in 2010 and 2011), but talented??

Like beauty, talent can be in the eye of the beholder. And it's true, many of the players you cited have a few to multiple holes in their games. And maybe none, have that one or several weapons that really stands out.

Nonetheless, is Caro really any more talented than Errani, Bartoli, Radwanska, and Kerber?

I think many would beg to differ with that notion.

Clijsters28
Sep 24th, 2012, 11:42 PM
2011 was Petra's year if anyone's and was at least recognised as "real #1" by the ITF making her world champion.

But the rankings in 2010 became a complete joke after Serena got injured. It had started out so respectably with her winning two slams as the number one seed - for only the 7th and 8th time in the past 10 years. I find it baffling that they wouldn't use the discretion they have in previous years to part with the computer rankings to award the best player for that year. I mean Serena did win more slams than anyone else and spent most of the year at #1. Now the YE#1 for 2010 and 2011 just looks awful. A player who didn't even make a slam final in those years and will probably never make one since.

In 2010 either Clijsters or Serena would have been a worthy Player of the Year. Wozniacki did not deserve to win either award, and the ITF really embarassed themselves by giving it to her.

Clijsters28
Sep 24th, 2012, 11:45 PM
In terms of ability, Wozniacki is definitely a better player than the likes of Errani, Bartoli, Radwanska and Kerber who are all ranked ahead of her.

Radwanska right now when playing well has more ability than Wozniacki. So does Kerber. What is your basis for saying she is better than them in terms of ability now. Did you see her match with Kerber this year, and how many top players has Kerber beaten this year compared to Wozniacki. Kerber is basically a Wozniacki with more power. Radwanska for years had less ability but has actually worked on improving, unlike Wozniacki who has plateaued and even regressed. All year long until her recent major slump Radwanska was easily playing better tennis than Wozniacki by a good margin.

Now Bartoli and Errani you might have a point on. However Errani's tennis at the French and U.S Opens was better than Wozniacki played all year, so she fully deserves to be ranked above. Bartoli just put together a few good events at the right time I guess.