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Pops Maellard
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:44 AM
Meh, could be worse. :shrug: Their last match was close.

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:49 AM
Azarenka is top 10 and she drew Pennetta, and after that is MJMS who beat her this year :lol: Vika is very unlucky with the draws this year.

So already in Stuttgart there is only two possibilities:
1. Our heartache continues with another 1st Rd exit, or
2. A top 10 win straight away.

Nikkiri
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Those match ups and then someone like Dulgheru gets a qualifier :rolls: :help:

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:51 AM
Those match ups and then someone like Dulgheru gets a qualifier :rolls: :help:

Yeah and also Qualifier v. Qualifier :tape:

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:53 AM
Justine will be very happy with that draw :o

Davodus
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:54 AM
I think she can beat Radwanska :shrug: She is coming off a loss in fed cup on hard court, and now has to move straight to clay, which has never been her best surface. But still, Ana sucks so I really don't expect her to win :lol:

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:56 AM
I think she can beat Radwanska :shrug: She is coming off a loss in fed cup on hard court, and now has to move straight to clay, which has never been her best surface. But still, Ana sucks so I really don't expect her to win :lol:

I know she can beat Radwanska, whether she does is a different story :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:58 AM
Yeah and also Qualifier v. Qualifier :tape:

Yeah.. I got pissed off at this.. :lol: The qualifying draw is SO weak.. And someone is already garanteed a second round. :sobbing:

Vika is very unlucky.. Wozniacki very lucky.. Justine will be happy.. JJ not so much..

And Ana well.. it's to be expected with her ranking. I don't see her winning, but I reallt really really hope she does.. :sobbing:

Nikkiri
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:58 AM
Yeah and also Qualifier v. Qualifier :tape:

I demand a redraw :sobbing:

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:04 PM
As Izzy says, we just have to accept these draws for Ana, and get used to them :(

It still shocks me though, to make the second round Ana MUST record her first top 10 win in 18 months!

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:05 PM
It didn't look to me like Ana was hitting well from that video? Am I too harsh?

No.. you are not being harsh. Ana's timing is completely off in the video, and her movement awful. If you look at how she finishes her shots.. each shot ends in a different way, because she has to compensate for the lack of timing, for hitting the ball in a different position each time. That's awful.. it takes a lot of power away from the shots, because once you compensate with the racquet head termination you just can't put your weight behind the shot.

Ana was not hitting well at all in that vídeo. And she looked awkward moving.. and heavier.

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:05 PM
As Izzy says, we just have to accept these draws for Ana, and get used to them :(

It still shocks me though, to make the second round Ana MUST record her first top 10 win in 18 months!

It's either her first top 10 win in 18 months or her 10th srtaight top 10 loss.

-NAJ-
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:06 PM
MDD Ana with Petkovic
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2484/dubl.png

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:09 PM
MDD Ana with Petkovic
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2484/dubl.png

THIS IS POSITIVE NEWS! :eek:

I know nothing about doubles, is their opposing team good?

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:10 PM
It was that bad? :spit:
I told you the last time everyone else sucks :rolleyes:
About empty stands,what did they expect ...Ana wasn`t playing :lol: Plus Serbia is not only Belgrade so they could have let other city host this event but no it has to be Belgrade :rolleyes: And they picked huge Arena
And to think tickets were twice cheaper than before :lol:

It was that bad. Bojana plays like a brainless ballbasher. She closes her eyes and hits as hard as possible.. mostly out or at the net. :spit: I don't think she will beat anyone experienced enough hitting like this.

The arena was completely empty.. seriously.. I don't think there were 1000 people there.

Btw me and my boyfriend watched City of God today ,we liked it :) :worship:
But we didn`t find it violent ,it`s a tough story but movie as movie wasn`t that violent.Maybe that`s just us being weird :lol:

Nice! City of God is a great movie IMHO. A very complelling and well told story. I do think it's violent.. but, everything has a purpose and it fits the story well. It's not like violence for the sake of it.. it's there because that's just how it is. I love the way they edited the movie.. it makes it fast and thrilling.

I went to watch Alice yesterday.. :o My boyfriend slept midway through the movie.. and I ate too much popcorn to pass the time.. :lol: The movie was a bore to us. :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:12 PM
MDD Ana with Petkovic


Thanks NAJ!

This is cool! At least she is trying to get some more match play with doubles. :D Hopefully she will also do this in Rome and Madrid!

Petkovic is with adidas.. I find her pretty cool on twitter.. :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:12 PM
THIS IS POSITIVE NEWS! :eek:

I know nothing about doubles, is their opposing team good?

Not so much.. maybe they can even win a round! :lol:

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:15 PM
It's either her first top 10 win in 18 months or her 10th srtaight top 10 loss.

Not so much.. maybe they can even win a round! :lol:

I don't know how to multiquote :sad::confused:

:lol: At least we got a lucky draw for doubles. I really like Petkovic, ever since I watched her play at Medibank International - Sydney, she is such a clever girl.

Even I was able to pick up on the things you noted about the training video, great work on the fitness .... :rolleyes:

Davodus
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:15 PM
THIS IS POSITIVE NEWS! :eek:

I know nothing about doubles, is their opposing team good?

They do play together as like a regular doubles team, even if they aren't that good, so that is to their advantage. It isn't a terrible draw.

claypova
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:17 PM
Ana vs. Aga in first round :tape:
so unlucky..

The 2nd Law
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:18 PM
They do play together as like a regular doubles team, even if they aren't that good, so that is to their advantage. It isn't a terrible draw.

Ah ok, I have never heard of either of them but gathered that they are probably a regular team. Hopefully Ana and Andrea work well together.

Pops Maellard
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:20 PM
I had my first ever practice hit today since my first club lesson. My hitting partner (my Mum's BF) can only hit loopy shots most of the time, which I can't deal with just yet. :sobbing:

But anyway there were a couple of times I got the rally going. I can only hit FHs at the moment but I'm happy how it went. My ideal is to not hit with too much clearance over the net (risky I know :lol:), and I didn't net any today. :p I also hit a running FH DTL from out-of-court really well (wasn't a winner but it went in). I felt like I was in control of it as well. :speakles: That was a good feeling. :D

Anyway back to Ana:

No.. you are not being harsh. Ana's timing is completely off in the video, and her movement awful. If you look at how she finishes her shots.. each shot ends in a different way, because she has to compensate for the lack of timing, for hitting the ball in a different position each time. That's awful.. it takes a lot of power away from the shots, because once you compensate with the racquet head termination you just can't put your weight behind the shot.

Ana was not hitting well at all in that vídeo. And she looked awkward moving.. and heavier.

Yeah just having seen the video, she couldn't get a rally going. But on the other hand neither did Azarenka by the look of it. I wish it wouldn't shown her serve more than once. But the one balltoss it showed looked alright...

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:22 PM
Oh she is playing against Aga again :spit: When will she play ?
Good that she decided to play doubles.She can speak serbian with Andrea during the match :p
If only Andrea could lend her serve to Ana :lol: If i remember correctly she has a good serve
About that practice video...man she developed such a lazy footwork :o

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:30 PM
Oh she is playing against Aga again :spit: When will she play ?
Good that she decided to play doubles.She can speak serbian with Andrea during the match :p
If only Andrea could lend her serve to Ana :lol: If i remember correctly she has a good serve
About that practice video...man she developed such a lazy footwork :o

Hey Jelena!

I guess since she is playing Aga, she will get a tuesday match. I don't think they would make Aga play tomorrow, since she is playing Fed Cup today. But the OOP was not yet released.

Ana's footwork is so ugly.. I can't believe she has let herself get this lazy with it. But then again I remember who her current fitness coach used to work with.. :rolleyes::o

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:32 PM
I had my first ever practice hit today since my first club lesson. My hitting partner (my Mum's BF) can only hit loopy shots most of the time, which I can't deal with just yet. :sobbing:

But anyway there were a couple of times I got the rally going. I can only hit FHs at the moment but I'm happy how it went. My ideal is to not hit with too much clearance over the net (risky I know :lol:), and I didn't net any today. :p I also hit a running FH DTL from out-of-court really well (wasn't a winner but it went in). I felt like I was in control of it as well. :speakles: That was a good feeling. :D

Cool Aaron!

The best feeling is when you feel you have control over the ball. :D

Anyway back to Ana:

Yeah just having seen the video, she couldn't get a rally going. But on the other hand neither did Azarenka by the look of it. I wish it wouldn't shown her serve more than once. But the one balltoss it showed looked alright...

The serve didn't look bad.. but I think the toss is completely mental.. it shows itself much more in matches, with nerves and all.. than in practice.

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:39 PM
My hitting partner (my Mum's BF) can only hit loopy shots most of the time, which I can't deal with just yet. :sobbing:



:lol:
Your posts always make me laugh...in a good way :lol:
Hey Jelena!

I guess since she is playing Aga, she will get a tuesday match. I don't think they would make Aga play tomorrow, since she is playing Fed Cup today. But the OOP was not yet released.

Ana's footwork is so ugly.. I can't believe she has let herself get this lazy with it. But then again I remember who her current fitness coach used to work with.. :rolleyes::o

I forgot Aga is also playing FC ,so probably Tuesday
Yeah her footwork is not good at all :o Wtf is that fitness coach doing :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:42 PM
I forgot Aga is also playing FC ,so probably Tuesday
Yeah her footwork is not good at all :o Wtf is that fitness coach doing :rolleyes:

Remember he only coaches chubby players... maybe he thinks that's good.. :rolleyes: I'm sure Ana picked him because he was not too demanding.. she convinced herself that the injuries she had were due to practicing too hard.. :rolleyes: I'm sure she fired that other fitness coach, Mark McGrath, because he told her to work hard.. :o

Pops Maellard
Apr 25th, 2010, 12:55 PM
:lol:
Your posts always make me laugh...in a good way :lol:


I forgot Aga is also playing FC ,so probably Tuesday
Yeah her footwork is not good at all :o Wtf is that fitness coach doing :rolleyes:
Great. :D I probably don't need to post every detail about my practice sessions here though. :p

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:04 PM
Remember he only coaches chubby players... maybe he thinks that's good.. :rolleyes: I'm sure Ana picked him because he was not too demanding.. she convinced herself that the injuries she had were due to practicing too hard.. :rolleyes: I'm sure she fired that other fitness coach, Mark McGrath, because he told her to work hard.. :o
:o
I just hope she continues to work with Heinz after clay season bc she needs someone good and smart in her team ...being all alone again or with APDP would be a disaster :help::help:

Great. :D I probably don't need to post every detail about my practice sessions here though. :p

I don`t mind your posts :p As i said i enjoy reading them :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:07 PM
:o
I just hope she continues to work with Heinz after clay season bc she needs someone good and smart in her team ...being all alone again or with APDP would be a disaster :help::help:


I hope so as well.. but I hope he gets some emphasis in her fitness.. because she has been incredibly sluggish, and I don't think she can win like this.

But.. If the clay season is yet another disaster, I don't see her keeping him.. :sobbing:

Nikkiri
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:08 PM
:spit: at Jankovic with Huber and Peer with Black

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:16 PM
:spit: at Jankovic with Huber and Peer with Black

Yeah.. I realized that.. Did Black and Huber fight or something?

Totally random pairings.. :lol: Huber and JJ! :lol::spit:

Ana and JJ need to play doubles together.. practice for Fed Cup next year.. if they could play doubles, they would actually be able to win more ties.

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:17 PM
I hope so as well.. but I hope he gets some emphasis in her fitness.. because she has been incredibly sluggish, and I don't think she can win like this.

But.. If the clay season is yet another disaster, I don't see her keeping him.. :sobbing:

Me neither but i still hope they will
That`s the best solution ,everything else :help: :tape:

I laughed when i saw JJ vs Justine possible R2 :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:21 PM
Me neither but i still hope they will
That`s the best solution ,everything else :help: :tape:

I laughed when i saw JJ vs Justine possible R2 :lol:

Actually.. JJ and Justine can meet in the QF.

And about Ana.. yes.. I just don't know what solution there can be.. Ana needs to change herself and she doesn't seem up for it. I mean.. when I look at her gaining weight and looking so sluggish, it just really makes be lose hope.. :sobbing: She is not even keeping herself in shape..

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:23 PM
Actually.. JJ and Justine can meet in the QF.

:lol:
I was always good at reading draws :tape::spit:
Either way ,i will definitely watch that match :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:25 PM
:lol:
I was always good at reading draws :tape::spit:
Either way ,i will definitely watch that match :lol:

I want to watch it too! :lol:

But considering how JJ is playing right now.. might not be a good match. I'm watching JJ x Hantuchova.. :tape:

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:33 PM
And about Ana.. yes.. I just don't know what solution there can be.. Ana needs to change herself and she doesn't seem up for it. I mean.. when I look at her gaining weight and looking so sluggish, it just really makes be lose hope.. :sobbing: She is not even keeping herself in shape..

I see it like this ..Ana is in a deep whole so i don`t expect her to regain love for tennis,focus,commitment in a few months.She neglected tennis for so long ,so she,her team and us can`t expect miracles
I just want her to keep working with Heinz and don`t fire him after 3 months like she did with everyone else :rolleyes: He makes her practice twice a day and that`s something she hasn`t be doing for ages
I know her results are not good but i think they need more time that`s all
We can still complain about her WAGing,photo shoots,lack of focus and love for tennis.But i`m at least more calm knowing she will have someone who will make her practice no matter of her mood instead of going waging,shopping...
I want to watch it too! :lol:

But considering how JJ is playing right now.. might not be a good match. I'm watching JJ x Hantuchova.. :tape:

Meh i don`t watch that.i have more than enough suffering with Ana :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 01:51 PM
I see it like this ..Ana is in a deep whole so i don`t expect her to regain love for tennis,focus,commitment in a few months.She neglected tennis for so long ,so she,her team and us can`t expect miracles
I just want her to keep working with Heinz and don`t fire him after 3 months like she did with everyone else :rolleyes: He makes her practice twice a day and that`s something she hasn`t be doing for ages
I know her results are not good but i think they need more time that`s all
We can still complain about her WAGing,photo shoots,lack of focus and love for tennis.But i`m at least more calm knowing she will have someone who will make her practice no matter of her mood instead of going waging,shopping...

I just don't even know what to say honestly.. I know she won't regain her love and commitment for tennis all of a sudden.. but if she doesn't regain it, she won't make anything out of her practices.. so it's not like it matters much if she practices twice a day. I have a feeling the longer this takes the worse it gets, and Ana only puts herself even further away from actually regaining the desire to commit herself to tennis. It's a snow ball.. think she will only stop this the moment she realizes that she has to change herself and finally does it. It will all be for nothing until then.

The fact that it has been 2 years.. Ana hasn't reached that point of reflexion yet.. and she is only getting more sluggish.. it's really discouraging.

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:03 PM
I just don't even know what to say honestly.. I know she won't regain her love and commitment for tennis all of a sudden.. but if she doesn't regain it, she won't make anything out of her practices.. so it's not like it matters much if she practices twice a day. I have a feeling the longer this takes the worse it gets, and Ana only puts herself even further away from actually regaining the desire to commit herself to tennis. It's a snow ball.. think she will only stop this the moment she realizes that she has to change herself and finally does it. It will all be for nothing until then.

The fact that it has been 2 years.. Ana hasn't reached that point of reflexion yet.. and she is only getting more sluggish.. it's really discouraging.

Me neither :lol: It`s too complicated :o I can just hope they won`t fire Heinz
Even before this draw i was surprised when people said she will have a packed schedule during clay season :rolleyes:
I mean look at this, there is a good chance she is out on Tuesday and then again waiting for 7,8 days only to play 1 match again :tape:
Meh i don`t even know why i keep on repeating the same stuff all over again ,even i`m bored with it :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:08 PM
Me neither :lol: It`s too complicated :o I can just hope they won`t fire Heinz
Even before this draw i was surprised when people said she will have a packed schedule during clay season :rolleyes:
I mean look at this, there is a good chance she is out on Tuesday and then again waiting for 7,8 days only to play 1 match again :tape:
Meh i don`t even know why i keep on repeating the same stuff all over again ,even i`m bored with it :rolleyes:

Yes.. it's always the same because Ana just doesn't change..

And true.. packed schedule? She will probably not play any more than 5 matches before Wimbledon.. and that's nothing. :tape::o

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:10 PM
And Hantuchova wins.

Serbia is done. :sad:

I feel a bit sad.. they fought so hard to get to the WGI, and now back to WGII so fast. :sad:

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:16 PM
And Hantuchova wins.

Serbia is done. :sad:

I feel a bit sad.. they fought so hard to get to the WGI, and now back to WGII so fast. :sad:

Hantuchova, clay goat :worship: :lol:
JJ needs crowd to cheer for her so she can play her best even when she is not playing well
I really don`t care about this :shrug:

Jang87
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:18 PM
Oh my. JJ is so mad at Ana now.

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:21 PM
Hantuchova, clay goat :worship: :lol:
JJ needs crowd to cheer for her so she can play her best even when she is not playing well
I really don`t care about this :shrug:

Hantuchova played really well.. she had some unreal points towards the end of the match. But JJ was a bit in a UEs machine mode.

I feel a bit sad.. but oh well.. if Ana can play well in the coming tournaments, I'll not even remember this.. :lol:

Oh my. JJ is so mad at Ana now.

With reason.. they could easily be playing the semis.. but now re relegated to WGII again.

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:25 PM
I feel a bit sad.. but oh well.. if Ana can play well in the coming tournaments, I'll not even remember this.. :lol:



That`s the spirit :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:27 PM
By the way.. Henin lost to Kanepi! :eek:

And Kim is out of clay season due to foot injury! :help:

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:32 PM
By the way.. Henin lost to Kanepi! :eek:

And Kim is out of clay season due to foot injury! :help:

Justine broke her left finger and she had trouble even tossing the ball with that hand from what i read :tape:
Kim :eek: whole clay season :eek::tape:

Jang87
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:33 PM
Aww, poor Kim. Will Justine pull out of Stuttgart?

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:34 PM
Justine broke her left finger and she had trouble even tossing the ball with that hand from what i read :tape:
Kim :eek: whole clay season :eek::tape:

Yeah.. so many injuries.. this sucks! :o

Kim has torn foot muscles.. out for 6 weeks. Roland Garros is in 4 weeks time. :(

Marilyn Monheaux
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Ana vs Aga?

FML!:sobbing:

jelenacg
Apr 25th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Yeah.. so many injuries.. this sucks! :o

Kim has torn foot muscles.. out for 6 weeks. Roland Garros is in 4 weeks time. :(

I had no idea :tape::help: Kim :sad:
Everyone is injured :tape:

soul
Apr 25th, 2010, 03:23 PM
Again Aga ; somehow I have a good feeling despite everthing

Davodus
Apr 25th, 2010, 03:27 PM
Yeah.. so many injuries.. this sucks! :o

Kim has torn foot muscles.. out for 6 weeks. Roland Garros is in 4 weeks time. :(

Only maybe 6 weeks, she is still looking to play Madrid ;) so hopefully she can still play Roland Garros. Seems like Belgium needed her to back up too :tape:

bruce goose
Apr 25th, 2010, 04:43 PM
I feel a bit sad.. but oh well.. if Ana can play well in the coming tournaments, I'll not even remember this.. :lol:Izzy,you complained previously that we keep postponing deadlines for Ana to play well(even though AYE hadn't done so like other folks had)....Well,if your practice report is accurate,then you've almost 100% convinced me of the hopelessness of the situation.

Ana SHOULD be heavily motivated by now with her rankings drop and with the fact that she'll be forced to play qualies at Premier events fairly soon.That she can't even strike the ball correctly in practice--where there's NO pressure--shows how out-of-form she is...which demonstrates a lack of desire to be IN form...and it heightens my fear on how she's dealing with her depression in her freetime(though I won't post that particular belief--w/o solid evidence--in the forum)

To compare the two,I'd say that Nicole never truly loved tennis,she only LIKED it the same way that adolescent girls take to a certain style of clothing...and then she lost interest when another 'clothing style' came along.In contrast,I'd say that Ana really DID love tennis...and maybe small parts of still DO(I hope)...but HOW MUCH did she love it??Enough to get married to it with a lifelong commitment??Or only enough to have a serious relationship with it for a long time...with an open door to break up with it whenever someone/something else came along??

I've mentioned the look of fear and confusion I saw in Ana's eyes during the 2008 Wimbledon Zheng match.That look said: "I'm world #1,a Slam champion...but I thought the fairy tale ending would be more blissful than THIS!I never expected that I'd feel this way....I'm The Hunted now....Tennis isn't just a game anymore.Is THIS how it's always gonna be??:eek::eek:"

Maybe,when the celebration & festivities back in Serbia died down...and the glow wore off...and Reality set in...we started to lose Ana right THEN.Maybe she began to think to herself then that,although she CARED about tennis a lot,she didn't want ANY part of being The Hunted...or any of the tough,mental dedication it would require to stay on top....I can't emphasize how much I hope that I'm wrong on this stuff:sad:

Curtos07
Apr 25th, 2010, 05:29 PM
Aga? Aga? :rolleyes:

Well I hope she plays tomorrow because this will be th eonly match she plays. :o

bruce goose
Apr 25th, 2010, 05:32 PM
Just to add to the earlier thoughts w/o lengthening the already-long post: Maybe we ignored signs of this potential outcome a long time ago.Sure,Ana's fitness and form were MILES better back when she was playing well,but Dave Taylor--occasionally--had a beef with Ana's mental focus...and we know that she didn't appreciate his 'reality checks' and fired him.Also,she gave abundant evidence in her blogs that she lived in sort of an immature Wonderland,mentally-speaking....It was enough to make you doubt--at least for ME it was--how she'd deal with the pressure if she ever made it to the top(sigh.....to infinity)

Loungy
Apr 25th, 2010, 05:45 PM
I just hope she continues to work with Heinz after clay season bc she needs someone good and smart in her team ...being all alone again or with APDP would be a disaster :help::help:
Heinz looked detached/off in the practice video posted. I've heard he's a very calm person, but I can't help but think all he sees when he's coaching Ana is a mess. A beyond helping mess.

Curtos07
Apr 25th, 2010, 06:07 PM
OOP for tomorrow. Ana plays doubles in the final match on Center Court. But no singles which probably means she'll play Tuesday, which means I probably can't watch. :sobbing:

http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/web/english-news_orderofplay

Curtos07
Apr 25th, 2010, 06:10 PM
This draw just further proves the point that many of us have been making that Ana should be playing smaller tournaments instead of these bigger ones. She s likely to lose in the 1st match again, where as in Fes, she had the opportunity to win a few matches and maybe build something off of that. She should be playing in Fes and Estoril over Stuttgart and Rome. But she is too stubborn to play in these MM events. :sobbing: Got to start out small and build your way back again.

In baseball, when a player struggles, they send them to the minor leagues to work on their game and bring them back up to the majors when they are playing better again. That is what Ana needs to do.

Andreas
Apr 25th, 2010, 07:19 PM
I had no idea Ana would play doubles here. Great decision :yeah: So she will get 2 matches instead of 1 :lol:

Good luck vs. Radwanska and Borwell/Kops-Jones :hug:

The Daviator
Apr 25th, 2010, 07:19 PM
The only way Ana will realize that she needs to play MM events, is if she keeps losing early in the big ones, so this is a good draw :)

Pops Maellard
Apr 25th, 2010, 08:15 PM
Please beat Fugwanska Ana. :hysteric:

bruce goose
Apr 25th, 2010, 09:16 PM
The only way Ana will realize that she needs to play MM events, is if she keeps losing early in the big ones, so this is a good draw :)I like your way of thinking......but shouldn't Ana ALREADY be motivated??We know who the Losers in Ana's life are--the ones for whom 18th place and a bag full of fresh 'nose powder' is considered a good result--yet I was hoping that being around a winner like Heinz might influence Ana in a positive way.....Yet she doesn't ever seem to get angrily motivated by failure the way that champions do.

I'd love to see Ana beat Aga fair and square but,if she LOSES,then I wanna hear an account of her body language...whether she simply mopes like a crybaby or looks upset as if she wanted to do better.....If Ana is as out-of-form as Izzy said she was...if she's barely practiced despite not being injured...then maybe she has already quit from a practical standpoint:o

HowardH
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:42 PM
I know it's quite a tough draw... but Ana's game actually matches up nicely with Agnieszka, so I still think she has a little chance. Aga's serve will be attacked but Ana will probably make a lot of errors. 60-40 chance of Aga winning probably.

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:50 PM
Heinz looked detached/off in the practice video posted. I've heard he's a very calm person, but I can't help but think all he sees when he's coaching Ana is a mess. A beyond helping mess.

Well.. if he sees Ana is not interested.. why would he be? It's that frustrating.. :o

claypova
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:53 PM
Please beat Fugwanska Ana. :hysteric:

:lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:55 PM
Aga? Aga? :rolleyes:

Well I hope she plays tomorrow because this will be th eonly match she plays. :o

I still can't understand how you would possibly want her to play on monday. There won't be any streams on monday.. even if you have classes, wouldn't you want to have any kind of chance to actually watch her play, even if it's after the match has gone by, instead of just staring at the livescores window? Precisely because she will probably lose in the first round, I desperately want to at least watch this match.. I haven't seen Ana play in like.. forever.. since that Fed Cup disaster. I hate livescores!

Great that she doesn't play singles tomorrow. I just hope her first round match is played on centre court on tuesday.

OOP for tomorrow. Ana plays doubles in the final match on Center Court. But no singles which probably means she'll play Tuesday, which means I probably can't watch. :sobbing:

http://www.porsche-tennis.de/prod/pag/tennis.nsf/web/english-news_orderofplay

Cool that she is playing doubles tomorrow.. hopefully she can win a round.

If Ana's first round is put on centre court, I will capture it and wrap it up as a gift for you Curtis.. so you can see her play, even if it's a few hours after the match. At least you will get a chance to see her level of play with your own eyes.

gaviotabr
Apr 25th, 2010, 11:56 PM
This draw just further proves the point that many of us have been making that Ana should be playing smaller tournaments instead of these bigger ones. She s likely to lose in the 1st match again, where as in Fes, she had the opportunity to win a few matches and maybe build something off of that. She should be playing in Fes and Estoril over Stuttgart and Rome. But she is too stubborn to play in these MM events. :sobbing: Got to start out small and build your way back again.

In baseball, when a player struggles, they send them to the minor leagues to work on their game and bring them back up to the majors when they are playing better again. That is what Ana needs to do.

She still thinks she will be winning slams.. even this year.. that says it all.. delusion at its best.

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:02 AM
A special post to Aaron.

Congrats! I saw Verdasco beat Soderling today to clinch his biggest career title in Barcelona.. he has indeed some such a long way. I was impressed.. not necesarily with his level of play, even though he obviously played well to win the tournament, but mostly because of his composure and mental toughness. He was close to losing so many times during the tournament.. but he never lost the belief.. he just kept strong and when his chances came, he took them. He was clutch, and that is key to being a top player. Even when he didn't take an obvious chance, he didn't loose his temper (as he might have done earlier on in his career).. he just kept his cool and as a result other chances came. I was impressed today with one of these shots in particular. At set point in the first set, Nando hit a shot out while having the whole court open. Instead of going bonkers with the error, he just went back to the baseline to continue with the game. Couple of points later, he had an amazing FH winner to seal the set. He just didn't let such bizarre error affect him.. and truth is, that is the feat of a champion. Looking back at his early days and to right now, he has evolved so much. His dedication to fitness and to tennis is obvious, and it is giving him plenty of happy moments on court. As I've said once.. love tennis and it will love you back. :)

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Back to Ana..

She might even get close to beating A-Rad.. but at clutch time she will most probably chicken out and suck.. as she has been doing in the past couple of years. Sad as it is.. :tape: The mental part of the game is what makes you win big.. and she has simply none of it right now.

Just looking at the practice video.. she didn't even looked like she wanted to be there. And that's the common thing nowadays..

I just want to be able to watch the match and see her playing with my own eyes..

jelenacg
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:09 AM
If Ana's first round is put on centre court, I will capture it and wrap it up as a gift for you Curtis.. so you can see her play, even if it's a few hours after the match. At least you will get a chance to see her level of play with your own eyes.

:haha:
I hope you will keep your promise :p

Curtos07
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:12 AM
I still can't understand how you would possibly want her to play on monday. There won't be any streams on monday.. even if you have classes, wouldn't you want to have any kind of chance to actually watch her play, even if it's after the match has gone by, instead of just staring at the livescores window? Precisely because she will probably lose in the first round, I desperately want to at least watch this match.. I haven't seen Ana play in like.. forever.. since that Fed Cup disaster. I hate livescores!

Great that she doesn't play singles tomorrow. I just hope her first round match is played on centre court on tuesday.
It's just very hard for me to concentrate in class, checking in on my iphone every few seconds, holding my breath fearing the worse every time I check her score. :scared: At least when I home, I can let out my anger. :lol: But yeah, I would rather see her actually play, even if it's not actually live. I still might get to see it live if it's a really early match or one of the later matches like in the late afternoon or evening session. That would work or perfectly for me. *fingers crossed*

If Ana's first round is put on centre court, I will capture it and wrap it up as a gift for you Curtis.. so you can see her play, even if it's a few hours after the match. At least you will get a chance to see her level of play with your own eyes.
Thanks, that would be great. Especially if she plays well. :D Now if she plays like crap, I wouldn't necessarily call it a gift. :p

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:16 AM
It's just very hard for me to concentrate in class, checking in on my iphone every few seconds, holding my breath fearing the worse every time I check her score. :scared: At least when I home, I can let out my anger. :lol: But yeah, I would rather see her actually play, even if it's not actually live. I still might get to see it live if it's a really early match or one of the later matches like in the late afternoon or evening session. That would work or perfectly for me. *fingers crossed*

Thanks, that would be great. Especially if she plays well. :D Now if she plays like crap, I wouldn't necessarily call it a gift. :p

:lol:

I understand that.. I have felt the "Ana playing a match" experience as well.. I tend to sweat on my hands.. it's awful. :lol: But at this present moment I want to have any chance whatsoever to actually watch her, rather than just follow livescores. Hopefully the match is at a decent time so you can see it. And even more.. I really hope Ana surprises us all and plays decent tennis.. :sobbing: That would be almost like a dream come true.. this is how bad things are.. :sobbing:

I'm hoping to capture it somehow anyway.. I only have night classes tuesday... so I'll be around home.

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:17 AM
:haha:
I hope you will keep your promise :p

I always keep my promises! :p

Pops Maellard
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:19 AM
Random thought. I'm thinking back to that Miami celebrity exo thingy. It would seem rather insignificant to most players probably, but for Ana it seems to be the first time in ages she'd played just for fun (and it seemed like she really did). It would be nice if she could bring that spirit to the court, you know, smile a little, try to channel that spirit, instead of just giving the odd stilted fistpump every now and then. Ana seems to take herself too seriously which is another of her problems on court.

jelenacg
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:22 AM
I always keep my promises! :p

Ok then :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:38 AM
Random thought. I'm thinking back to that Miami celebrity exo thingy. It would seem rather insignificant to most players probably, but for Ana it seems to be the first time in ages she'd played just for fun (and it seemed like she really did). It would be nice if she could bring that spirit to the court, you know, smile a little, try to channel that spirit, instead of just giving the odd stilted fistpump every now and then. Ana seems to take herself too seriously which is another of her problems on court.

It would be good for her to just go there and enjoy.. but I see it as so far away.. Everytime she walks on court she looks absolutely terrified.

The 2nd Law
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:38 AM
So devastated about Kim, I had her as the RG champ this year :(

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:39 AM
So devastated about Kim, I had her as the RG champ this year :(

Kim? Really? RG?

Kim is not that good on clay. :shrug:

But I'm also said to see her having to skip tournaments.. :(

Pops Maellard
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:41 AM
Kim? Really? RG?

Kim is not that good on clay. :shrug:

But I'm also said to see her having to skip tournaments.. :(
Yeah Kim lost her first clay match this year to the world #251 or something. :haha: At least Ana hasn't had a loss that bad...yet. :p

The 2nd Law
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:46 AM
Kim? Really? RG?

Kim is not that good on clay. :shrug:

But I'm also said to see her having to skip tournaments.. :(

She moves better than 90% of the tour, even if she says she doesn't like clay. She also made the finals before, and since the general suckiness of most players is increased when they're on clay, I had a good feeling about her chances :lol: My feelings/intuition never EVER come true in tennis though! I remember having a horrible feeling that Dinara would beat Ana in the RG final :lol:

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 12:49 AM
She moves better than 90% of the tour, even if she says she doesn't like clay. She also made the finals before, and since the general suckiness of most players is increased when they're on clay, I had a good feeling about her chances :lol: My feelings/intuition never EVER come true in tennis though! I remember having a horrible feeling that Dinara would beat Ana in the RG final :lol:

:lol:

That day I was SO sure Ana would win.. I just knew it. :lol: I told my grandparents who were here that day.. "Ana will win today, so we can have sprite to celebrate it!" :lol: No champaigne.. I don't drink.. :lol:

About Kim. She has awesome movement.. on hard courts. Clay demands a whole different footwork.. She does not move as well on clay. She actually loses that movement edge there. :shrug:

The 2nd Law
Apr 26th, 2010, 02:37 AM
:lol:

That day I was SO sure Ana would win.. I just knew it. :lol: I told my grandparents who were here that day.. "Ana will win today, so we can have sprite to celebrate it!" :lol: No champaigne.. I don't drink.. :lol:

About Kim. She has awesome movement.. on hard courts. Clay demands a whole different footwork.. She does not move as well on clay. She actually loses that movement edge there. :shrug:

:lol::lol: Sprite is not a celebratory soft drink Izzy! :lol:

Oh that was gold! :p:worship:

I can't argue with you about Clijsters, it was just something I thought she had a decent chance to achieve.

Ana needs to do well in Stuttgart for my mental health because my other major sporting interest: the Essendon Bombers (An AFL team, AFL=Australian Football League) are having a really crap season so far :(
In fact, now that I've mentioned Essendon, I will encourage all you non-Aussie Ana fans to look up the Essendon Football Club, and I shall annoint you all as fans :D (You will have no say in this matter :lol:)

Davodus
Apr 26th, 2010, 02:57 AM
Yo, Essendon :o Actually I don't follow AFL at all :lol:

The 2nd Law
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:26 AM
Yo, Essendon :o Actually I don't follow AFL at all :lol:

Well you are a Queenslander so you don't count. And a warning to any other Aussies: I have claimed the Ana fans as Essendon supporters :lol::devil:

claypova
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:34 AM
Well you are a Queenslander so you don't count. And a warning to any other Aussies: I have claimed the Ana fans as Essendon supporters :lol::devil:

bombers :eek: swans :yeah:

The 2nd Law
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:36 AM
bombers :eek: swans :yeah:

You also don't count :) Although I don't mind the Swans.

Davodus
Apr 26th, 2010, 08:25 AM
Well you are a Queenslander so you don't count. And a warning to any other Aussies: I have claimed the Ana fans as Essendon supporters :lol::devil:

:lol: thats cool, they suck as much as Ana lately by the look of it ;)

The 2nd Law
Apr 26th, 2010, 09:02 AM
:lol: thats cool, they suck as much as Ana lately by the look of it ;)

Yes :tape:

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 02:16 PM
Petkovic is cool! :lol: Some Ana fans (hint hint Curtis and Jelena :p) were asking her to tell Ana to join twitter.. and she replied! :lol:

Such a disappointing loss yesterday in our Fed Cup tie. Much love out to my team! @Anafans I'll try to convince her- wish us luck.

http://twitter.com/andreapetkovic/status/12873661816

So Curtis, your life purpose just got an ally! Petkovic will tell Ana how so many of her fans want her to join twitter! :lol:

Davodus
Apr 26th, 2010, 03:10 PM
I saw that, but that @Anafans thing she did was some strange twitter :lol: anyway, it's nice of her, I hope she succeeds!

-NAJ-
Apr 26th, 2010, 03:34 PM
Selima Sfar is in MD of Stuttgart but Ana must play Aga in R1 :haha:

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 03:40 PM
Selima Sfar is in MD of Stuttgart but Ana must play Aga in R1 :haha:

Yeah.. and a qualifier is garanteed to get to round 2. Draws are unfair.. and Ana has been unlucky for some time now..

-NAJ-
Apr 26th, 2010, 03:53 PM
when she starts to play more events she will have more chance to get lucky draw,it's her fault in one way:p
look this
:help: Aga is a big favorite. Aga is overrated, she never beat Ana easy

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7870/anaiv.jpg

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 03:56 PM
when she starts to play more events she will have more chance to get lucky draw,it's her fault in one way:p
look this
:help: Aga is a big favorite. Aga is overrated, she never beat Ana easy


Oh.. it's all on Ana, definitely. It's her being unprofessional... and it's her running away from tennis tournaments. I already expected her to get tough draws with her current ranking.

I don't think Aga is overrated. Ana has been sucking badly, hasn't beaten a top 10 player in almost 2 years, and has just lost to Aga. :shrug: Aga is the big favorite.. I hope Ana surprises everyone though.

Davodus
Apr 26th, 2010, 04:02 PM
There is no reason to not put Aga as the big favourite in the match. You just need to look at the rankings, and they are odds you would expect with someone in the top 10 against someone outside the top 50. It is on Ana to show some good form of her own if she wants to beat those odds, or she can continue to play like someone ranked where she is, and get beaten accordingly.I think she can win, Aga isn't really fantastic on clay, but it all comes down to Ana.

-NAJ-
Apr 26th, 2010, 04:06 PM
I don't think Aga is overrated. Ana has been sucking badly, hasn't beaten a top 10 player in almost 2 years, and has just lost to Aga. :shrug: Aga is the big favorite.. I hope Ana surprises everyone though.
i meant in way that Ana is underrated, when i see that odds it's just :tape:
i know she is not playing well but she is still AI
Aga plays smart tennis and i think she is the most consistent player on tour. If opponent chokes(ana in last two matches) or makes many UE's(again ana) she will take that match for sure

jelenacg
Apr 26th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Petkovic is cool! :lol: Some Ana fans (hint hint Curtis and Jelena :p) were asking her to tell Ana to join twitter.. and she replied! :lol:

http://twitter.com/andreapetkovic/status/12873661816

So Curtis, your life purpose just got an ally! Petkovic will tell Ana how so many of her fans want her to join twitter! :lol:

I have no idea what are you talking about http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm23/jelenacg/innocent.gif

i meant in way that Ana is underrated, when i see that odds it's just :tape:
i know she is not playing well but she is still AI
Aga plays smart tennis and i think she is the most consistent player on tour. If opponent chokes(ana in last two matches) or makes many UE's(again ana) she will take that match for sure

:secret: Caro :)

Cp6uja
Apr 26th, 2010, 05:18 PM
:help: Aga is a big favorite.
Just couple weeks ago (Miami 3rd round) Aga is much bigger favorite with W.Hill odds 1.30 vs 3.40 (tomorrows W.Hill odds are 1.40 vs 2.75) :shrug:

Officinale
Apr 26th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Will there be a stream for the doubles match?

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 06:04 PM
Will there be a stream for the doubles match?

No.. the match is already on livescores though. They are probably warming up..

Adrian1092
Apr 26th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Woo Ana has 100% winning points record so far :D (after 1 point) :lol:

Curtos07
Apr 26th, 2010, 06:24 PM
Petkovic is cool! :lol: Some Ana fans (hint hint Curtis and Jelena :p) were asking her to tell Ana to join twitter.. and she replied! :lol:



http://twitter.com/andreapetkovic/status/12873661816

So Curtis, your life purpose just got an ally! Petkovic will tell Ana how so many of her fans want her to join twitter! :lol:

:lol: I didn't see that. If she succeeds, Petkovic will automatically become my 2nd favorite player behind Ana. :angel:

-NAJ-
Apr 26th, 2010, 06:56 PM
Center Court
Not Before 6:20 pm
Agnieszka RADWANSKA (POL)
vs.
Ana IVANOVIC (SRB)


Good luck:wavey:


Live on ES :)

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 06:58 PM
Center Court
Not Before 6:20 pm
Agnieszka RADWANSKA (POL)
vs.
Ana IVANOVIC (SRB)


Good luck:wavey:


Live on ES :)

Cool! We'll be able to watch it! :bounce:

jelenacg
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:02 PM
Yes it will definitely be shown on ES
We`ll see her play :scared:

Curtos07
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:03 PM
Sweet! I'll be home from class before then. I can watch! :bounce:

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:06 PM
Yes it will definitely be shown on ES
We`ll see her play :scared:

:lol:

Remember Jelena.. seeing her play will allow us to bitch about her play with knowledge of fact! :lol::p

Sweet! I'll be home from class before then. I can watch! :bounce:

Great Curtis! :D

jelenacg
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:14 PM
:lol:

Remember Jelena.. seeing her play will allow us to bitch about her play with knowledge of fact! :lol::p



:spit: We can bitch about with facts
And we`ll finally see Ana and Heinz interact as well

Cp6uja
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:45 PM
Smart decision from Ana to tank doubles match at end today :yeah:
If she beat Radwanska, she will only waste her energy in doubles (and next opponents will be both former TOP3 in doubles which won together IW about months ago), and if she lose against Aga, she will waste her time in Stuttgart instead to prepare herself to big-one Rome premiere-5 event.

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:47 PM
Smart decision from Ana to tank doubles match at end today :yeah:
If she beat Radwanska, she will only waste her energy in doubles (and next opponents will be both former TOP3 in doubles which won together IW about months ago), and if she lose against Aga, she will waste her time in Stuttgart instead to prepare herself to big-one Rome premiere-5 event.

Tank doubles.. :spit:

Any match is crucial for Ana right now.. she needs match play more than anyone..

But well.. it's only doubles so whatever...

I really want her to come up strong tomorrow! :sobbing:

jelenacg
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Ok this wasn`t that bad,at least they won set and Ana was able to spent more time on court
3 DF is also not bad but Aga is better returner than these 2 girls so she will put more pressure on Ana`s serve
We`ll see tomorrow how she is playing ...

Curtos07
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:54 PM
I didn't care if she won the doubles match, only cared about the singles. But glad she got the practice in that is doubles. it's better than practicing just with a hitting partner. She needs to make this a common thing. :)

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Ok this wasn`t that bad,at least they won set and Ana was able to spent more time on court
3 DF is also not bad but Aga is better returner than these 2 girls so she will put more pressure on Ana`s serve
We`ll see tomorrow how she is playing ...

Yes.. we will finally be able to see Ana's level of play with our own eyes..

gaviotabr
Apr 26th, 2010, 07:58 PM
I didn't care if she won the doubles match, only cared about the singles. But glad she got the practice in that is doubles. it's better than practicing just with a hitting partner. She needs to make this a common thing. :)

Agreed Curtis!

Pops Maellard
Apr 26th, 2010, 10:18 PM
Not long to go now. :p :wavey:

The 2nd Law
Apr 27th, 2010, 12:37 AM
I missed an Ana match :o I don't care if it was doubles, even following Ana on live score is becoming a rarity these days :lol:
On a better note though, you can add me to the list of people who will be able to watch Ana play tonight (or tomorrow some of you). She will be on TV as soon as I get home from Taekwondo :D

Pops Maellard
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:00 AM
I thought she was supposed to be playing, like a couple of hours ago? :confused:

The 2nd Law
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:04 AM
I thought she was supposed to be playing, like a couple of hours ago? :confused:

No, the match is still more than 12 hours away :p

Pops Maellard
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:05 AM
No, the match is still more than 12 hours away :p
:spit: Timezones.

The 2nd Law
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:06 AM
:spit: Timezones.

I know :lol: Well it's 12 hours give or take a few, I couldn't find the exact conversion for Stuttgart.

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:55 AM
:spit: Timezones.

I know :lol: Well it's 12 hours give or take a few, I couldn't find the exact conversion for Stuttgart.

I know, it gets really confusing trying to remember when matches are going to be played.

They seem to be 10 hours behind New Zealand standard time, 8 hours or more behind Australian time depending on which part of Australia.

So it's just before 4am in Stuttgart, Germany (there's another Stuttgart that comes up if you just search for Stuttgart time :o) so Ana's match at 6:20pm is about 14 and a half hours away.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:55 AM
I know, it gets really confusing trying to remember when matches are going to be played.

It seems to be just before 4am in Stuttgart, Germany (there's another Stuttgart that comes up if you just search for Stuttgart time :o) so Ana's match at 6:20pm is about 14 and a half hours away.

Yes..

Let's see.. Sttutgart is 5 hours ahead of brazilian time, which is 13 hours behind Melbourne time. It's almost 23:00 here, so it's almost 4:00 in Stuttgart and almost 12:00 in Melbourne.

This is a nice web to check the global timings: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

hellas719
Apr 27th, 2010, 02:38 AM
Doubles :hug:
But at least Ana got some matchplay in :yeah:

doni1212
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:09 AM
I think I'll be able to watch most of her match!! :bounce:

Davodus
Apr 27th, 2010, 05:33 AM
The match is gonna be at 2:30am for me, but it is gonna be live on TV so no way am I going to bed :lol:

The 2nd Law
Apr 27th, 2010, 05:49 AM
The match is gonna be at 2:30am for me, but it is gonna be live on TV so no way am I going to bed :lol:

Yeah same for me, I realised that after I posted :p I might set my alarm.

Just Do It
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:51 AM
Will ES show Ana ? :unsure:

GrandMartha
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Will ES show Ana ? :unsure:

yes they will. They already have Ana's match on schedule :cheer: At least here :D

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:13 PM
I'm getting a bit nervous for the match.. :sobbing: I hate this.. I should have mastered the goosebumps by now.. :sobbing:

The 2nd Law
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:21 PM
I'm getting a bit nervous for the match.. :sobbing: I hate this.. I should have mastered the goosebumps by now.. :sobbing:

I am nervous too, I'm trying not to build it up too much because I'll be so emo if she loses :lol:

Pops Maellard
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:26 PM
My prediction is that Ana will win in three. Something like 6-4, 2-6, 6-3.

Come on Ana, this is sparta. :p

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:26 PM
I am nervous too, I'm trying not to build it up too much because I'll be so emo if she loses :lol:

Oh.. we can't have expectations.. because she will probably.. you know.. do as expected.. :sobbing:

Surprise us Ana! :sobbing:

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:26 PM
The match is gonna be at 2:30am for me, but it is gonna be live on TV so no way am I going to bed :lol:

4:30am for me :o. Had to have a nap to prepare, I'm definitely watching this.

The 2nd Law
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:36 PM
4:30am for me :o. Had to have a nap to prepare, I'm definitely watching this.

That's the spirit! I was gonna nap too, but I can't :help:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:46 PM
I remember last year in Tokyo.. I spent the whole night awake just to watch Ana lose. I don't regret it guys, so you have my full support! :lol:

Marilyn Monheaux
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:52 PM
When is the match gonna start?

Too lazy to look it up!:p

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 01:57 PM
When is the match gonna start?

Too lazy to look it up!:p

In about 2 hours and a half.

InsideOut.
Apr 27th, 2010, 02:08 PM
:dance: I'll be happy if Ana doesn't get bagelled :yeah:

Jang87
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:28 PM
:dance: I'll be happy if Ana doesn't get bagelled :yeah:

Really? I expect more from her now. She needs to step it up. I'm over the whole "lets just hope she doesn't get bagelled". I want her to win.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:29 PM
Little less than 1 hour until the match..

AAHHH!!!

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:29 PM
:dance: I'll be happy if Ana doesn't get bagelled :yeah:

I just hope if she loses it's not a choke... :rolleyes: I hate chokers! :o:mad:

Curtos07
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:45 PM
Is there a stream? I can't find one. I saw a link to Stuttgart but got billiards instead. :confused:

Jang87
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:47 PM
I want her to win :bigcry:. I'm so sick of all the losing. Come on, Ana! You can do it!

Jang87
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Is there a stream? I can't find one. I saw a link to Stuttgart but got billiards instead. :confused:

Thats because Eurosport is showing billiards right now. I'm sure they will start streaming tennis as soon as Eurosport starts showing it.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Is there a stream? I can't find one. I saw a link to Stuttgart but got billiards instead. :confused:

There will be streams, don't worry.. But you have to wait another 30 minutes so the tennis coverage starts again.

Curtos07
Apr 27th, 2010, 03:53 PM
There will be streams, don't worry.. But you have to wait another 30 minutes so the tennis coverage starts again.

OK. Good. :) I was getting worried there for a second.

InsideOut.
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Is anyone watching Fed vs. Gulbis? He's playing :help: tennis right now. :tape:

doni1212
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Oh no, really? Come on Roger!

And guys, I'm so so so so so so so so so so excited right now, :lol:
I just feel a victory coming for Ana!! :drool:

Adrian1092
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:19 PM
Here she is :eek: AJDEEEEE :hearts:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:19 PM
Best of luck Ana.

Adrian1092
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:21 PM
Her and Aga having a convo before the match :lol:

InsideOut.
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:22 PM
:scared:

bruce goose
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Would someone please post the livestream???I'm ready to suffer or rejoice

bruce goose
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:44 PM
Would someone please post the livestream???I'm ready to suffer or rejoiceWell,I've never paid any fees to the local Masonic Order.........so I guess that means nobody will tell me where the link is for the stream:lol:

Jankarenka
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:46 PM
www.fromsport.com has streams

bruce goose
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:48 PM
www.fromsport.com has streamsGracias,Jano

Jankarenka
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:48 PM
She isn't playing too bad so far :D

Jankarenka
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:49 PM
Gracias,Jano

De nada :)

Jankarenka
Apr 27th, 2010, 04:55 PM
She isn't playing too bad so far :D

Jinx :sad: :help:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:28 PM
Well.. expected.

Ana just chickens out in every single important point. Her BH was truly atrocious.. there were a couple of BH shanks in the 4th game of the first set that are rookie level. I think Aaron doesn't have that and he just started playing. The forehand did look a bit better than before though.. But all the rest was ugly ugly.. Footwork completely apalling and those misses with the whole court open! :help::tape:

Radwanska wasn't even good.. she was just solid.. which she always is. But it's easy to be solid when all the balls are short..

I actually think Ana can practice all she wants.. she won't win matches until she gets her head fixed. She is not really into matches.. she looks either dejected or close to being a nervous wreck.

Which leads to the thing that got me worried.. Ana had another one of those panic attacks that prevents her from breathing. She should really see a psychiatrist or psycologist.. this is actually a serious thing. Might have a pretty bad effect not only in her tennis, but on her life. She is completely screwed up mentally.

InsideOut.
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:28 PM
On to Rome :sad:

Hopefully doubles again :)

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:30 PM
You can say whatever you want but if she played more matches on clay before this,read if she played Bracelona or something she would have won this match
I have do doubts about that :shrug:

I`m really amazed how her team doesn`t see this.She wasn`t even playing bad ,sure there were many UE and some very ugly,she was very tight and scared at the beginning of the match but generally her game didn`t look bad

She will never get her confidence back,or her game back until she starts playing more.Some things practice just can`t give you :rolleyes:
I`m so pissed at her team for not seeing this

I swear i will virtually slap the next person who says to me her schedule is fine :banghead:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:30 PM
Her web will probably say she played a great match! :lol::spit: Gotta laugh from that!

Anyway.. one tournament first round loss gone, 3 to go.. :rolleyes:

5-7 for the year.

10 straight losses to top 10 players.

:worship:

:tape:

:help:

Jang87
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:31 PM
The commentator said that they had worked on her preparation right before serving. She's not jumping around so much right before she serves. She keeps her feet firmly on the ground. Seems to help a little. Still had some bad tosses, but her serve was ok today. Those panic attacks worry me.

Adrian1092
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:32 PM
To be fair it IS an improvement, More winners than errors in the first set. If she plays more events, she'll be back.

Andreas
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:32 PM
The serve seemed a lot better than earlier this season. Forehand was really good in the beginning while backhand was worse than ever :o

It really is all about confidence. When it's there, she hits amazing winners and serves hard and precise. When it's gone, she hits backhands that don't even reach the net and her ball toss is closer to her opponent than herself.

Signs of improvement and I think it's a good sign that she is playing doubles. Hopefully she isn't too disappointed after this match. She had her chances but needs to get some more confidence.

Curtos07
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:34 PM
The positive: Ana played pretty well for most of the match. Best tennis I seen from her in a while.

The negative: She still lost. When it comes down to crunch time, she still melts under the pressure. That's the problem. The mental side of her game. If she had won, it could of have been really big for her. But losing like that is not going to help. Sigh.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:35 PM
You can say whatever you want but if she played more matches on clay before this,read if she played Bracelona or something she would have won this match
I have do doubts about that :shrug:

I`m really amazed how her team doesn`t see this.She wasn`t even playing bad ,sure there were many UE and some very ugly,she was very tight and scared at the beginning of the match but generally her game didn`t look bad

She will never get her confidence back,or her game back until she starts playing more.Some things practice just can`t give you :rolleyes:
I`m so pissed at her team for not seeing this

I swear i will virtually slap the next person who says to me her schedule is fine :banghead:

Hey Jelena!

I think her game looked awful.. less awful than Fed Cup though. Just the forehand looked a bit better.. The BH shocked me.. this is how bad it looked.. especially the movement with the racquet.. so ugly.

But she could've won ugly.. she certainly had her chances. She just can't possibly take any chance.. can't win an important point to save her life. And that is because her head is gone.. she is not really into the match. She doesn't look like she wants to be playing honestly. She won't win like this..

Playing more matches could have given her some match management practice.. and I agree.. that's the only way for her to improve.. but hey, I think she just doesn't want to be playing..

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:35 PM
It wasn't the worst I've seen from her, but it wasn't great. Bh was, as you point out Izzy, pretty bad. Contact point was often late, often cramped up. Some flying wide for pretty much no reason, a lot of soft short bhs, and that one at the end of the first set directly into the ground in front of the net even though it wasn't a frame :tape:. Toss will probably never be fixed, it seems.

Wasn't hitting too terribly overall, Aga was actually a little sluggish and missed some shots she normally wouldn't miss- definitely not Aga's best. But I never had the feeling Ana understood how to actually win the match. Panic attack was probably psychosomatic. Clearly is not able to control her mind under pressure.

I still think Ana can return to top level tennis, but I don't think it's soon. I don't think it's this season actually. I'm also not sure it will actually happen, I just know it's possible.

Curtos07
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:38 PM
You can say whatever you want but if she played more matches on clay before this,read if she played Bracelona or something she would have won this match
I have do doubts about that :shrug:

I completely agree. She may of have won a few matches and the confidence she would have gained from it would of have helped her during those big points. Her team is stupid though.

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:43 PM
To be fair it IS an improvement, More winners than errors in the first set. If she plays more events, she'll be back.

That`s the problem she won`t :tape: If she did play more tournaments ,especially now on clay ...she would be out of this slump already
3 loses during clay season will only hurt even more her confidence and then she`ll go WAGing :rolleyes:
Well.. expected.

Which leads to the thing that got me worried.. Ana had another one of those panic attacks that prevents her from breathing. She should really see a psychiatrist or psycologist.. this is actually a serious thing. Might have a pretty bad effect not only in her tennis, but on her life. She is completely screwed up mentally.

You know what i don`t blame her for this.If i played only 1 match in a few weeks and if i had only that 1 possibility to continue playing matches i would be having panic attacks all over the place :rolleyes:
That`s the point of playing smaller tournaments.If she played more she would feel more relaxed on court .I hate her team for not seeing this

Still i hope she continues working with Heinz,Ana did play better,serve was better also ball toss wasn`t a problem imo
It`s all about confidence and her playing smaller tournaments.I really don`t understand why she doesn`t want to play them :sobbing::sobbing:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:43 PM
It wasn't the worst I've seen from her, but it wasn't great. Bh was, as you point out Izzy, pretty bad. Contact point was often late, often cramped up. Some flying wide for pretty much no reason, a lot of soft short bhs, and that one at the end of the first set directly into the ground in front of the net even though it wasn't a frame :tape:. Toss will probably never be fixed, it seems.

Wasn't hitting too terribly overall, Aga was actually a little sluggish and missed some shots she normally wouldn't miss- definitely not Aga's best. But I never had the feeling Ana understood how to actually win the match. Panic attack was probably psychosomatic. Clearly is not able to control her mind under pressure.

I still think Ana can return to top level tennis, but I don't think it's soon. I don't think it's this season actually. I'm also not sure it will actually happen, I just know it's possible.

This. It wasn't as bad as Fed Cup.. but it was still pretty bad. She has 1 good shot for every 5 bad ones. Sorry.. but that still sucks ass.

I think her BH was the worse I've ever seen.. always short.. and completely misstimed.. ugly technique.. bizarre misses.. just bad bad bad. The forehand did look better, mostly because it seemed to be faster and harder. Lately she had been hitting lots of puff FHs. But still far from what it once was.

I agree when you say that Ana never really understood how to win the match.. but that's because she is just not into it. It shows.. And then sure.. she chickens out big time at the decisive moments.. she melts.

I think she will only come back if she looks at herself and sees she is wrong in her approach to tennis. She needs to change herself and recommit. Otherwise she might practice 24-7, even play well, she will end up screwing up when it matters and losing.

Ana has lost 6 of her last 7 matches. :help:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 06:46 PM
That`s the problem she won`t :tape: If she did play more tournaments ,especially now on clay ...she would be out of this slump already
3 loses during clay season will only hurt even more her confidence and then she`ll go WAGing :rolleyes:


You know what i don`t blame her for this.If i played only 1 match in a few weeks and if i had only that 1 possibility to continue playing matches i would be having panic attacks all over the place :rolleyes:
That`s the point of playing smaller tournaments.If she played more she would feel more relaxed on court .I hate her team for not seeing this

Still i hope she continues working with Heinz,Ana did play better,serve was better also ball toss wasn`t a problem imo
It`s all about confidence and her playing smaller tournaments.I really don`t understand why she doesn`t want to play them :sobbing::sobbing:

I agree with you that she needs to play more. The thing is.. I think she doesn't want to. It's not her team.. it's Ana.. She doesn't want to.. you just have to look at her.. honestly.. she doesn't look like she wants to be playing matches at all. With that inside, nobody wins anything.

But the panic attacks can become an emotional desease.. she has to get threatment.. It's not a simple thing.

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I agree with you that she needs to play more. The thing is.. I think she doesn't want to. It's not her team.. it's Ana.. She doesn't want to.. you just have to look at her.. honestly.. she doesn't look like she wants to be playing matches at all. With that inside, nobody wins anything.

But the panic attacks can become an emotional desease.. she has to get threatment.. It's not a simple thing.

Yeah and i hate her for that :rolleyes:
What about her ball toss?She had a few bad ball tosses but it did look more or less controlled to me.I really didn`t see it as a problem in today's match. Am i becoming delusional like Ana :lol:

I really hope she stays with Heinz,i`m not saying she played good and impressive tennis but it didn`t look that bad to me.She wasn`t pushing the ball and her FH looked better.Nothing brilliant and impressive just improved :lol:
Her footwork needs a lot of work,that Demian guy sucks big time from what i can see :tape: :rolleyes:

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Izzy, I think you're right, she needs help, especially for those panic attacks. At some level, I think Ana is choosing thoughts that lead to her panic attacks.

One of the toughest things about tennis is that there is no end. The tour goes on. In other words, you don't get a big accomplishment and then rest for a while. You don't build up to a big world cup and then feel your big accomplishment is done, even if you win a gold medal you need to play a tournament afterwards, even if you win a slam you need to turn up at the next one. This is the part that Ana is struggling with. In tennis you have to prove yourself anew every match. Month after month you have to prove yourself again. The great players are ones who take on this challenge again and again and come out on top most of the time.

Ana doesn't want to have to prove herself every week, or even every second week. When she plays a match she wants to win, but she obviously dislikes the feeling of needing to prove her tennis worth every time she steps on court. This is part of tennis. Every new match you show your opponent and yourself- you show everyone- exactly why they should respect you as a player. Confidence in tennis comes from knowing that you are up for this challenge any time you turn up to a tournament.

Ana definitely likes being a professional tennis player. She likes training with an entourage, she likes the feeling that she is a good player. Training never puts your ego on the line like a match does though, so it's easier to handle psychologically. Training with an entourage encourages the feeling that you are a good player, it never makes you question yourself. On the other hand a match questions you and you have to have the answers.

And yes, ultimately Ana certainly makes choices herself. If she is not playing many matches then she is ultimately choosing not to. She needs to accept the challenge of proving her worth every time she enters a tournament. She needs to enjoy proving herself anew every match. Who knows whether this will happen though.

In a certain way, I think this is part of why it was easier for Ana when she had not yet won a slam. She still had to prove herself, and she was eager to prove herself. Then, after she won a slam and became number one, she didn't want to have to prove herself again. She was feeling, I've already proven myself, haven't I? Why is my tennis worth still being questioned every time I step on court with an opponent? But that's tennis. No matter what you have achieved in the past, you must step onto the court again and prove yourself again, many times. You have to enjoy the challenge. If you don't enjoy it, you will tend to avoid it, as Ana has mostly been doing. After all, why did she not play Fed Cup? Not that she would have necessarily done any better than Bojana who did remarkably well. But she definitely avoided the stress of Fed Cup, avoided having to prove herself in front of the Serbian crowd again. As a tennis player you can't avoid these things- you have to love it, love having yet another opportunity to show how good you are. After you have done this many times over many years, no one will question you again.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Yeah and i hate her for that :rolleyes:
What about her ball toss?She had a few bad ball tosses but it did look more or less controlled to me.I really didn`t see it as a problem in today's match. Am i becoming delusional like Ana :lol:

I really hope she stays with Heinz,i`m not saying she played good and impressive tennis but it didn`t look that bad to me.She wasn`t pushing the ball and her FH looked better.Nothing brilliant and impressive just improved :lol:
Her footwork needs a lot of work,that Demian guy sucks big time from what i can see :tape: :rolleyes:

The toss did look better.. but we have to remember this is indoor.. no wind to handle.

The footwork was indeed apalling and she was slow.. sometimes she couldn't even reach some of Aga's puff balls. :help: But then again, she is heavier, has gained weight.. nobody is fast like this.. even more so Ana who is naturally not a good mover.

I think we have settled a very low standard for Ana's play. She has no rally shots.. they are all short and awkward.. against a good big hiter, she would have been crushed. But Aga doesn't have the power to hit those balls for winners. The forehand is the only improvement I've seen.. but she still can't use it when it matters, so it's the same.. :tape:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:12 PM
Izzy, I think you're right, she needs help, especially for those panic attacks. At some level, I think Ana is choosing thoughts that lead to her panic attacks.

One of the toughest things about tennis is that there is no end. The tour goes on. In other words, you don't get a big accomplishment and then rest for a while. You don't build up to a big world cup and then feel your big accomplishment is done, even if you win a gold medal you need to play a tournament afterwards, even if you win a slam you need to turn up at the next one. This is the part that Ana is struggling with. In tennis you have to prove yourself anew every match. Month after month you have to prove yourself again. The great players are ones who take on this challenge again and again and come out on top most of the time.

Ana doesn't want to have to prove herself every week, or even every second week. When she plays a match she want to win, but she obviously dislikes the feeling of needing to prove her tennis worth every time she steps on court. This is part of tennis. Every new match you show your opponent and yourself- you show everyone- exactly why they should respect you as a player. Confidence in tennis comes from knowing that you are up for this challenge.

Ana definitely likes being a professional tennis player. She likes training with an entourage, she likes the feeling that she is a good player. Training never puts your ego on the line like a match does though, so it's easier to handle psychologically. Training with an entourage encourages the feeling that you are a good player, it never makes you question yourself. A match questions you and you have to have the answers.

And yes, ultimately Ana certainly makes choices herself. If she is not playing many matches then she is ultimately choosing not to. She needs to accept the challenge of proving her worth every time she enters a tournament. She needs to enjoy proving herself anew every match. Who knows whether this will happen though.

In a certain way, I think this is part of why it was easier for Ana when she had not yet won a slam. She still had to prove herself, and she was eager to prove herself. Then, after she won a slam and became number one, she didn't want to have to prove herself again. She was feeling, I've already proven myself, haven't I? Why is my tennis worth still being questioned every time I step on court with an opponent? But that's tennis. No matter what you have achieved in the past, you must be step onto again and prove yourself again, many times. After you have done this many times over many years, no one will question you again.

Spot on.

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:21 PM
The toss did look better.. but we have to remember this is indoor.. no wind to handle.

The footwork was indeed apalling and she was slow.. sometimes she couldn't even reach some of Aga's puff balls. :help: But then again, she is heavier, has gained weight.. nobody is fast like this.. even more so Ana who is naturally not a good mover.

I think we have settled a very low standard for Ana's play. She has no rally shots.. they are all short and awkward.. against a good big hiter, she would have been crushed. But Aga doesn't have the power to hit those balls for winners. The forehand is the only improvement I've seen.. but she still can't use it when it matters, so it's the same.. :tape:

:lol:
She can`t improve bc she doesn`t play more,she doesn`t play more bc she doesn`t want to ...
Always the same :lol:
If she fires Heinz after clay season ,we can say goodbye to her tennis career :rolleyes:
He is the only one that seems to be doing anything in her team :lol: Her fitness coach is awful and Ana please stop eating and start working on your fitness :rolleyes:

And she is so tanned :lol: i was surprised when i saw her

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:28 PM
:lol:
She can`t improve bc she doesn`t play more,she doesn`t play more bc she doesn`t want to ...
Always the same :lol:
If she fires Heinz after clay season ,we can say goodbye to her tennis career :rolleyes:
He is the only one that seems to be doing anything in her team :lol: Her fitness coach is awful and Ana please stop eating and start working on your fitness :rolleyes:

And she is so tanned :lol: i was surprised when i saw her

You do know she was in Mallorca right?

She probably went to the beach more than a couple of times.. :rolleyes:

I actually wonder how long Ana can take playing like this.. will she just settle for it at some point?

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:41 PM
You do know she was in Mallorca right?

She probably went to the beach more than a couple of times.. :rolleyes:

I actually wonder how long Ana can take playing like this.. will she just settle for it at some point?

I know she was in Mallorca :ras:
:lol:
The thing is that even Aga looked very tanned to me.:lol: And Aga is always so pale.I think it has to do with the lighting

About the second part i don`t know.I think it`s better not to do some things if you are going to do it half way :rolleyes: But Ana wouldn`t agree with me on this bc she just can`t decide what she wants :lol:

She is not the type of person who hits bottom and decides to change ...she will torture us forever :lol:

gloria7
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Panic attack-incredibly intense fear or discomfort.
According to American Psychological Association,causes are:heredity,biological causes,phobias,short-term triggering causes(personal loss,emotional attachment to a romantic partner,life transitions,life change),maintaining causes(negative self-talk,mistaken beliefs,"what-if"thinking) and lack of assertiveness-passive style of communication or interactions with others.
Treatment:Psychological therapies,medication and self-help techniques.
So...what is she afraid of?

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:45 PM
I know she was in Mallorca :ras:
:lol:
The thing is that even Aga looked very tanned to me.:lol: And Aga is always so pale.I think it has to do with the lighting

About the second part i don`t know.I think it`s better not to do some things if you are going to do it half way :rolleyes: But Ana wouldn`t agree with me on this bc she just can`t decide what she wants :lol:

She is not the type of person who hits bottom and decides to change ...she will torture us forever :lol:

Maybe.. or we will not get to see her anymore, because she will be back playing ITFs.. :shrug:

:sobbing:

I actually don't think there was REAL improvement at all.. this game and this attitude won't lead her to wins that matter to be honest.

I still get a feeling she doesn't want to be playing real matches.. not that she doesn't care.. but she wants things to fall from the sky instead of putting the effort and commiting.. And then when she steps on court she looks miserable from the first point on, like she doesn't want to be there..

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:47 PM
Panic attack-incredibly intense fear or discomfort.
According to American Psychological Association,causes are:heredity,biological causes,phobias,short-term triggering causes(personal loss,emotional attachment to a romantic partner,life transitions,life change),maintaining causes(negative self-talk,mistaken beliefs,"what-if"thinking) and lack of assertiveness-passive style of communication or interactions with others.
Treatment:Psychological therapies,medication and self-help techniques.
So...what is she afraid of?

To admit she has a problem?

This actually worries me a lot.. because it can become an emotional disease that goes with her for life if she doesn't gets direct threatment for it.

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:48 PM
You do know she was in Mallorca right?

She probably went to the beach more than a couple of times.. :rolleyes:

I actually wonder how long Ana can take playing like this.. will she just settle for it at some point?


She is not the type of person who hits bottom and decides to change ...she will torture us forever :lol:

My hope is that at some point Ana will realise that the image of herself which she has in her head (no doubt an image of an elite player who is merely ranked well below her actual level), and the real player who plays all her matches are not the same at all. Maybe this will make her want to prove her worth to herself again, which is the most important thing. She has to want to prove it to herself, like I bet she wanted to when she was a rising player. On the other hand, that realisation could also make her want to retire, as it did with Nicole. But perhaps Ana loves tennis a little more, so will instead resolve to prove to herself that she is capable of still doing this.

At the moment, the bubble Ana lives in is allowing her to continue a very positive self-image without actually having the tennis results to back it up. She doesn't feel like she's hit rock bottom most the time. Only just after she loses. Entourage/sponsorship/boyfriend/not having matches very often helps her to feel very similar to how she would feel if she was actually succeeding in her tennis career and winning, most of the time. Any coach/advisor who attempts to show Ana the reality is fired. That's why her interviews tended to be so bizarrely positive after poor losses. By interview time she had already re-entered her dream world, where she is definitely hitting the ball better than 2008 and the loss was just an unlucky anomaly. About the only time she isn't in this bubble is during/after matches. That's one of the reasons matches are so stressful for her (unless she is winning easily). The matches challenge her view of reality, it's terrifying. The matches force her to accept things she doesn't want to.

So she is probably subconsciously minimising this time. I hope she will wake up at some point though and realise it would be much nicer to actually be winning for real instead of having to live in an imaginary bubble. Winning for real although it's challenging versus nice comfy bubble. Ana needs to put her ego on the line and show everyone just how good she is. She has to be ready to play her heart out. You can't do it without putting yourself on the line.

As you say Izzy, she wants things to fall from the sky. She wants to make a comeback without having to put her ego on the line. She wants to comeback but doesn't want to have to step out of her cocoon. At the moment she's a bit like people who only want to live in an imaginary world, in a game world, who don't dare to do things in real life. She wants to accomplish everything from a safe place. But you can only play great tennis from a place that is at the limit, that is not safe. Great tennis comes a place that's near the limit, it's frightening.

spiritedenergy
Apr 27th, 2010, 07:50 PM
ok guys i saw a bit of the first set (after she lost it i gave up), and that's what i noticed:

- Ana lacks match tightness, in matches, especially her matches, there is always some tight moments and she is not focused enough on those moments or is too tight, which comes from lack of matchplay i guess, she was able to bring it to a TB and then lose it, Ana of the past was hardly losing TBs

- she is much slower, so she can't defend as well as she did in the past. however on clay it's less noticeable

- her serve looked much better, am i wrong?

- she seems to have recovered her power, especially on the forehand side

Overall i'd say from the little i saw she played even better then on clay 2009, but she's less fit and lacks match tightness and without these 2 things she'll always lose against top 20 players playing well

Do you agree?:p

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 08:10 PM
ok guys i saw a bit of the first set (after she lost it i gave up), and that's what i noticed:

- Ana lacks match tightness, in matches, especially her matches, there is always some tight moments and she is not focused enough on those moments or is too tight, which comes from lack of matchplay i guess, she was able to bring it to a TB and then lose it, Ana of the past was hardly losing TBs

- she is much slower, so she can't defend as well as she did in the past. however on clay it's less noticeable

- her serve looked much better, am i wrong?

- she seems to have recovered her power, especially on the forehand side

Overall i'd say from the little i saw she played even better then on clay 2009, but she's less fit and lacks match tightness and without these 2 things she'll always lose against top 20 players playing well

Do you agree?:p

Good points. She is tight at important moments- or basically, she cannot play well when it is all on the line. On non pressure points which matter less she is better. Tiebreak was pretty bad. Too bad for her that tennis has a lot of important pressure points in every close match. (The special scoring system guarantees big points in almost every service game.)

I don't think she ever defended very well but she was much better at counterattacking and preventing herself from getting into such defensive positions.

Her forehand power has indeed recovered somewhat. A positive. Unfortunately the bh is still weak.

Serve had more energy and did some damage when landed. Unfortunately was not capable of landing enough on big points. Better than before. Toss was bad sometimes but definitely not the worst I have seen. So yes, above average serving for her.

I think she is either running slower or the same speed, definitely not faster. I would have to check old videos to be sure, and I suppose I would have to compare it to clay matches only.

She is not a hopeless player but she is like a top 100 player who probably cannot currently compete with any current top player in the top 15 for sure, probably the top 20 as well, unless said player has a very bad day. However I'm still curious about how she would do against JJ, against whom she has such a good record. Would JJ be able to finally beat her now? Or is the match up so bad for her that Ana would still win? Maybe Ana would go on autopilot and remember her old tennis?

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 08:29 PM
She is not a hopeless player but she is like a top 100 player who probably cannot currently compete with any current top player in the top 15 for sure, probably the top 20 as well, unless said player has a very bad day. However I'm still curious about how she would do against JJ, against whom she has such a good record. Would JJ be able to finally beat her now? Or is the match up so bad for her that Ana would still win? Maybe Ana would go on autopilot and remember her old tennis?

If she can`t beat Aga on clay she won`t beat JJ,no way :lol: That match up is based on good matches played from both.Ana had to work really hard to win those matches,JJ would bageled her now :hearts:

Aga was so average today ,seriously noting special ,Ana `just` had to play important points better :rolleyes:
She needs confidence,no matter how much she practice if she doesn`t have confidence she will always end up losing important points.To gain confidence she needs matches

If she only decided to play at least 1 MM tournament during clay season ,but no she doesn`t want to :rolleyes:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 08:56 PM
She would get trashed by JJ, because JJ actually has a great BH DTL. Ana's rally BH CC lands so short, anyone with a powerful BH would be hitting winner after winner.

Aga has no power, that is the only reason the matches are being close. Otherwise Ana would be crushed with how she played. Actually.. ARad is a great match up for Ana.. that she is losing in straights to her is very telling as to how bad she has been playing.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 08:58 PM
So.. I think Ana bought herself a tape recorder. So when she goes to her pressers, she just uses taped replies.. :lol: Really.. she has been saying the same over and over and over again, and nothing ever changes.. :rolleyes:

From her web:

“It was a tough loss but what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I have to be positive," said Ana.

“I’m trying to make every shot perfect and it’s just not coming every time. I just need to relax more.

“A few mistakes here and there are costing me matches. I just have to be patient.”

How many times have we read that? About a million at least..

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:06 PM
ok guys i saw a bit of the first set (after she lost it i gave up), and that's what i noticed:

- Ana lacks match tightness, in matches, especially her matches, there is always some tight moments and she is not focused enough on those moments or is too tight, which comes from lack of matchplay i guess, she was able to bring it to a TB and then lose it, Ana of the past was hardly losing TBs

- she is much slower, so she can't defend as well as she did in the past. however on clay it's less noticeable

- her serve looked much better, am i wrong?

- she seems to have recovered her power, especially on the forehand side

Overall i'd say from the little i saw she played even better then on clay 2009, but she's less fit and lacks match tightness and without these 2 things she'll always lose against top 20 players playing well

Do you agree?:p

Let's see...

1 - True.. Ana just doesn't know how to manage a match anymore. And that is due to barely playing at all.. And to not being into the match mentally.. There isn't real desire to prove herself, as Howard says.. she is just expecting things to suddenly go her way.. fall from the sky.

2 - She has put on considerable weight, together with not doing much fitness.. her footwork is completely apalling.. club level. So yes.. all that makes her slow as hell.. So she can't turn defense into ofense, which is crucial in tennis. She also can't set up her shots well.

3 - I don't think her serve looked that much better. She wasn't getting that many free points.. Just the toss wasn't as bad as before. But then again, it was indoor.. no wind.. always easier on the toss.

4 - The forehand did look to be more powerful. Still too erractic and far away from what it once was though. Not yet a match winning shot, but better than what she had showed this year.

She played about a 10000 times better on clay 2009. Just watch her dismantling Schiavonne. And against Aga playing a lot better than today, she took her to 3 sets.

Ana is not even playing at top 50 level tennis. We were just with that horrible Fed Cup image in our heads.. that wasn't even top 100 level. So anything looks like improvement..

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:08 PM
She would get trashed by JJ, because JJ actually has a great BH DTL. Ana's rally BH CC lands so short, anyone with a powerful BH would be hitting winner after winner.

Aga has no power, that is the only reason the matches are being close. Otherwise Ana would be crushed with how she played. Actually.. ARad is a great match up for Ana.. that she is losing in straights to her is very telling as to how bad she has been playing.

This time last year she was 4-1 up in third set ,now she can`t even win a set :lol:
But also last years she played more,her movement on clay was better and she still had more confidence than now
Actually Aga i the best top player she can get to play against :lol::p
I just don`t get how she doesn`t get bored with all the losing.:confused: How many matches will she have to lose to change something ?
I mean people can be stubborn,but she really passed the limit a long time ago.The worst part is that you can`t say like in Vaidisova case that she isn`t practicing ,that she abandoned tennis completely
And even i think she still loves tennis :rolleyes:

I`m just very afraid we`ll get the same scenario like last year.She will fire Heinz after RG and then go waging after Wimbledon :help::help:And then you can say goodbye ...

spiritedenergy
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:09 PM
hey izzy do you agree with my comments?:p I think ana played quite well, and aga has no power but she doesn't give easy balls for winners either since she place them so weirdly... all in all i think it was an good improvement over the past several months, she "just" needs to improve her fitness and work on those panic attacks and get match fit, she should really play some mickey mouse, i guess s'hertongebosh is a move in the right direction

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:10 PM
My hope is that at some point Ana will realise that the image of herself which she has in her head (no doubt an image of an elite player who is merely ranked well below her actual level), and the real player who plays all her matches are not the same at all. Maybe this will make her want to prove her worth to herself again, which is the most important thing. She has to want to prove it to herself, like I bet she wanted to when she was a rising player. On the other hand, that realisation could also make her want to retire, as it did with Nicole. But perhaps Ana loves tennis a little more, so will instead resolve to prove to herself that she is capable of still doing this.

At the moment, the bubble Ana lives in is allowing her to continue a very positive self-image without actually having the tennis results to back it up. She doesn't feel like she's hit rock bottom most the time. Only just after she loses. Entourage/sponsorship/boyfriend/not having matches very often helps her to feel very similar to how she would feel if she was actually succeeding in her tennis career and winning, most of the time. Any coach/advisor who attempts to show Ana the reality is fired. That's why her interviews tended to be so bizarrely positive after poor losses. By interview time she had already re-entered her dream world, where she is definitely hitting the ball better than 2008 and the loss was just an unlucky anomaly. About the only time she isn't in this bubble is during/after matches. That's one of the reasons matches are so stressful for her (unless she is winning easily). The matches challenge her view of reality, it's terrifying. The matches force her to accept things she doesn't want to.

So she is probably subconsciously minimising this time. I hope she will wake up at some point though and realise it would be much nicer to actually be winning for real instead of having to live in an imaginary bubble. Winning for real although it's challenging versus nice comfy bubble. Ana needs to put her ego on the line and show everyone just how good she is. She has to be ready to play her heart out. You can't do it without putting yourself on the line.

As you say Izzy, she wants things to fall from the sky. She wants to make a comeback without having to put her ego on the line. She wants to comeback but doesn't want to have to step out of her cocoon. At the moment she's a bit like people who only want to live in an imaginary world, in a game world, who don't dare to do things in real life. She wants to accomplish everything from a safe place. But you can only play great tennis from a place that is at the limit, that is not safe. Great tennis comes a place that's near the limit, it's frightening.

You are spot on today Howard. :yeah:

I said this last year before the off season.. Ana had to come up in 2010 with the "I'm going to prove myself" attitude. She is just too afraid.. and really.. all I feel is that while she is on court, instead of having her heart and soul there, wanting to be nowhere but there.. deep down she wants to be anywhere but there. She is there and wants things to happen her way, but deep down didn't want to be playing. And with that attitude, there are no wins. Because once things start to go wrong, which they do because her game is awful right now, she just doesn't know what to do.

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:12 PM
hey izzy do you agree with my comments?:p I think ana played quite well, and aga has no power but she doesn't give easy balls for winners either since she place them so weirdly... all in all i think it was an good improvement over the past several months, she just needs to improve her fitness and work on those panic attacks and get match fit, she should really play some mickey mouse, i guess s'hertongebosh is a move in the right direction

I replied. I don't think she played well at all.. and I don't think there is any improvement, besides some more power on her forehand. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:16 PM
This time last year she was 4-1 up in third set ,now she can`t even win a set :lol:
But also last years she played more,her movement on clay was better and she still had more confidence than now
Actually Aga i the best top player she can get to play against :lol::p
I just don`t get how she doesn`t get bored with all the losing.:confused: How many matches will she have to lose to change something ?
I mean people can be stubborn,but she really passed the limit a long time ago.The worst part is that you can`t say like in Vaidisova case that she isn`t practicing ,that she abandoned tennis completely
And even i think she still loves tennis :rolleyes:

I`m just very afraid we`ll get the same scenario like last year.She will fire Heinz after RG and then go waging after Wimbledon :help::help:And then you can say goodbye ...

I think she doesn't want to be playing matches.. and that is the key. Things won't fall from the sky as she expects.. one thing leads to another.. and loss after loss..

I don't think any practice in the world can help her if she keeps this attitude and approach towards tennis. Her focus and true commitment isn't there.. so the practices just don't work. :shrug: Besides.. is she really practicing all that much? Because she is gaining weight and looking sluggish as hell.

I think she will fire Heinz after clay season, because she will probably go winless. It's sad.. but she will only truly improve and get results once she sees she is wrong in her own approach to tennis and changes inside. Until then.. I'm pretty sure she will keep losing.

The thing is.. we don't know if that moment will ever come.

spiritedenergy
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:18 PM
I replied. I don't think she played well at all.. and I don't think there is any improvement, besides some more power on her forehand. :shrug:

i'm trying to be positive:p i just saw the first set, and i think she didn't play bad, she also had +3 W/UE ratio in that set. again nothing groundbreaking but i one of the best showings since last year wimbledon to me...

gaviotabr
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:25 PM
i'm trying to be positive:p i just saw the first set, and i think she didn't play bad, she also had +3 W/UE ratio in that set. again nothing groundbreaking but i one of the best showings since last year wimbledon to me...

:shrug:

I don't think it was any better than any match she played from Wimbledon on. :shrug: I even think she played a whole lot better against Safarova in Toronto, even though she lost.

She only played better than in Fed Cup.. I can give you that. :shrug: But the BH managed to be even worse. :tape:

bruce goose
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:26 PM
Okay,this is where Ana's parents need to step up and find a good sports counsellor to help her....I feel confident,based on what I've seen,that they didn't do jack s--t to prepare Ana for adulthood...so now they can finally be PARENTS--instead of Ana's childhood buddies:rolleyes:--by giving her some sound guidance.I don't even think that Heinz or Nole or ANYbody else could talk Ana into it at this point;she's a bit paranoid cuz of that subjective Freud crap she read....PLUS she doesn't wanna face unpleasant realities ever.LEGIT self-esteem--as opposed to the phony self-hype Ana regurgitates--will help her on the tennis court AND with her personal life(she'd have the poise to not choose smiley-faced goat turds as friends/bfs).

Ana might not even listen to her parents...and she MIGHT even get pissed at THEM,too...but,WTF,isn't it worth pissing her off at this point??That's why I welcomed Snezana's comments;I hope they DID piss Ana off enough to make her look in the mirror honestly.She has one of the best coaches we could ask for...now she needs to get her mind grounded in reality or else NO coach will be able to help her.I agree with Izzy and Howard that postponing treatment could lead to long-term psychological damage.

Ana,I've got one question for you...if,by some chance,you're reading this: Do you REALLY think that organizations will want YOU to speak ti children's groups when people view you as someone who couldn't get her Mental House in order??All those dreams about helping kids in Serbia??You can just flush them down the toilet if you don't get your act together....You've got so much to offer,Ana!PLEASE,WAKE UP!!

jelenacg
Apr 27th, 2010, 09:32 PM
I think she doesn't want to be playing matches.. and that is the key. Things won't fall from the sky as she expects.. one thing leads to another.. and loss after loss..

I don't think any practice in the world can help her if she keeps this attitude and approach towards tennis. Her focus and true commitment isn't there.. so the practices just don't work. :shrug: Besides.. is she really practicing all that much? Because she is gaining weight and looking sluggish as hell.

I think she will fire Heinz after clay season, because she will probably go winless. It's sad.. but she will only truly improve and get results once she sees she is wrong in her own approach to tennis and changes inside. Until then.. I'm pretty sure she will keep losing.

The thing is.. we don't know if that moment will ever come.

Ana gained weight that`s a fact but she had to practice ,bc that FH had more power and she was using it more successfully something i haven`t see in a while :confused:
Ofc she also made mistakes but still her FH looked good,not great but good
About ball toss,i`ll have too see how things we`ll go in Rome and Madrid bc i forgot this was indoor tournament

I agree with you about her attitude,nothing will change until she changes :rolleyes:
But if she fires Heinz i don`t think we`ll have any hope left
If she keep him after RG and starts playing smaller tournaments bc she`ll be out of top 100 i`m sure she will improve her ranking,game and she would gain some confidence
I can only hope Ana will do the right thing at least once :rolleyes:

Curtos07
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:10 PM
While it was far from great tennis, it wasn't all that bad either. She played well in the 1st set imho. This was a drastic improvement over how she played not just at Fed Cup but in IW and Miami where she couldn't serve if her life depended on it. In her last match against Radwanska, I cringed every time she served. Today I didn't. When she can serve well, she can put herself in a opportunity to win which she did today. Unfortunately she didn't win so nothing changes going forward. I am hoping she can pull off a big win in the next couple of weeks so she can have some ounce of confidence heading into Roland Garros.

Loungy
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:11 PM
She played about a 10000 times better on clay 2009. Just watch her dismantling Schiavonne. And against Aga playing a lot better than today, she took her to 3 sets.
This.

Cornet and Bojana got wins in Fes. Good for them.

Pops Maellard
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:23 PM
I guess this wasn't entirely unexpected. But still...sucks.

I think Ana will leave the Top 100 pretty soon. There isn't much keeping her there as it is, and with the possibility of running into any number of top players early at the slams (she no longer has a seeding to 'save' her), defending the few points she has left will be even tougher.

Pops Maellard
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:26 PM
lol, watch her draw Justine at the FO first round, Venus at Wimbledon 1r and Serena at USO 1r.

OK probably won't happen, but potentially it could.

bruce goose
Apr 27th, 2010, 10:44 PM
lol, watch her draw Justine at the FO first round, Venus at Wimbledon 1r and Serena at USO 1r.

OK probably won't happen, but potentially it could.Why not??The only way to capitalize on Ana's marquee value,at tHIS point,is either with a sexy photoshoot OR a big-name matchup.If Ana's gonna be done after the first day ANYway...then why shouldn't Wimby's folks match her up with Serena to add some interest to a usually-routine 1st-Round match??That's their only shot to take advantage of Ana's shrinking value as a player

HowardH
Apr 27th, 2010, 11:05 PM
So.. I think Ana bought herself a tape recorder. So when she goes to her pressers, she just uses taped replies.. :lol: Really.. she has been saying the same over and over and over again, and nothing ever changes.. :rolleyes:

From her web:

Quote:
“It was a tough loss but what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I have to be positive," said Ana.

“I’m trying to make every shot perfect and it’s just not coming every time. I just need to relax more.

“A few mistakes here and there are costing me matches. I just have to be patient.”

How many times have we read that? About a million at least..

Izzy I can't believe those statements- seriously, again? Are they actually about this match? And I have no idea what she means by trying to make every shot perfect. Her backhand isn't exactly hitting the lines, she has plenty of margin plus it's short and soft... Trying to make each shot perfect would probably be better.

lol, watch her draw Justine at the FO first round, Venus at Wimbledon 1r and Serena at USO 1r.

OK probably won't happen, but potentially it could.

I would really rather she didn't draw those players, for more than the obvious reason. Firstly, everyone knows she's losing those matches. But she doesn't need to have an opponent as good as them to lose. Those kind of draws would give Ana a totally legitimate excuse for losing- no one could have beaten them, I lost to the eventual champion/runner-up/semifinalist, I'm actually playing well and just got an unlucky draw.

I'm not sure what the best draw for her would be, but I suppose a very average player, low enough (much lower than Aga) so that she couldn't make any excuses for losing, and average enough to actually lose to Ana. Oh dear, I just realised she actually won 3 rounds last year in both FO and Wimbledon. Points to defend :tape:. At least come USO she'll have nothing to defend.

Loungy
Apr 27th, 2010, 11:06 PM
I think Ana will leave the Top 100 pretty soon. There isn't much keeping her there as it is, and with the possibility of running into any number of top players early at the slams (she no longer has a seeding to 'save' her), defending the few points she has left will be even tougher.
I assume Ana and her team know this very well, since it's simple rankings math.

The fact they still decided to take the path they took re: playing few, big events, instead of trying to get something from as many smaller tournaments possible to buffer the inevitable fall, is :confused: , but at the same time is a clear indication they aren't all that concerned about this. So fans shouldn't either, not anymore.

There's not a lot left to say, really. I wish Ana the best, tho. :hug:

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:10 AM
Izzy I can't believe those statements- seriously, again? Are they actually about this match? And I have no idea what she means by trying to make every shot perfect. Her backhand isn't exactly hitting the lines, she has plenty of margin plus it's short and soft... Trying to make each shot perfect would probably be better.

It's in her web as what she said after the match. I can't understand the logic of it either. :shrug:

I would really rather she didn't draw those players, for more than the obvious reason. Firstly, everyone knows she's losing those matches. But she doesn't need to have an opponent as good as them to lose. Those kind of draws would give Ana a totally legitimate excuse for losing- no one could have beaten them, I lost to the eventual champion/runner-up/semifinalist, I'm actually playing well and just got an unlucky draw.

I agree.. and it's what she has already been doing... :shrug: This.. I have to be patient, it will come is total :bs:

I'm not sure what the best draw for her would be, but I suppose a very average player, low enough (much lower than Aga) so that she couldn't make any excuses for losing, and average enough to actually lose to Ana. Oh dear, I just realised she actually won 3 rounds last year in both FO and Wimbledon. Points to defend :tape:. At least come USO she'll have nothing to defend.

I think Ana will be out of the top 100 after Wimbledon.. she might have to ask for a WC to play the USO. Sad.. :sad:

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:12 AM
I assume Ana and her team know this very well, since it's simple rankings math.

The fact they still decided to take the path they took re: playing few, big events, instead of trying to get something from as many smaller tournaments possible to buffer the inevitable fall, is :confused: , but at the same time is a clear indication they aren't all that concerned about this. So fans shouldn't either, not anymore.

There's not a lot left to say, really. I wish Ana the best, tho. :hug:

I agree with you..

Just one thing.. I don't think Ana herself or her team realizes this. I believe they are waiting for things to fall from the sky, and for her to suddenly play great and win many matches. And we know that's delusional thinking.. it has to be a grind to recovery.. things do not fall from the sky as they think/wish. So they have the wrong approach towards the slump.. :shrug: It's only getting worse.

I also wish her the best. Unfortunately I don't think any good will come until she changes.

spiritedenergy
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:14 AM
While it was far from great tennis, it wasn't all that bad either. She played well in the 1st set imho. This was a drastic improvement over how she played not just at Fed Cup but in IW and Miami where she couldn't serve if her life depended on it. In her last match against Radwanska, I cringed every time she served. Today I didn't. When she can serve well, she can put herself in a opportunity to win which she did today. Unfortunately she didn't win so nothing changes going forward. I am hoping she can pull off a big win in the next couple of weeks so she can have some ounce of confidence heading into Roland Garros.

i agree with you... i just saw a few games i repeat and i don't know how it went in the second set, but guys didn't you really see any improvement??? Serve and forehand, her bread and butter, were better than most of the matches i've seen since last year, serve especially, not only the toss but also the power, of course it wasn't as good as it used to be but guys do you remember last summer when she changed her motion how she was serving? and in miami and IW she couldn't hold to save her life. It could have really went the other way around, if she had won the first set she could have won the match, it was really a few points here and there this time i have to agree with her...
and it the first set her BH wasn't bad either honestly, of course she benefitted of many short balls but on clay that's what will happen most of the times, short balls will come

Pops Maellard
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Even the former coach of arguably the GOAT in women's tennis hasn't helped matters. So clearly it wasn't so much that Ana needed a coach. Something else is missing. And Ana's desire to play tennis is probably it.

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:25 AM
i agree with you... i just saw a few games i repeat and i don't know how it went in the second set, but guys didn't you really see any improvement??? Serve and forehand, her bread and butter, were better than most of the matches i've seen since last year, serve especially, not only the toss but also the power, of course it wasn't as good as it used to be but guys do you remember last summer when she changed her motion how she was serving? and in miami and IW she couldn't hold to save her life. It could have really went the other way around, if she had won the first set she could have won the match, it was really a few points here and there this time i have to agree with her...
and it the first set her BH wasn't bad either honestly, of course she benefitted of many short balls but on clay that's what will happen most of the times, short balls will come

Did we really really really watched the same match? Really?

Ana's BH was atrocious.. especially in the beginning. So so many shanks. And I didn't mean she was benefitting from short balls.. but that she was giving ARad only short balls from her BH side. If ARad had more power in her own BH, she would have hit many more winners.

The only patch that she played remotely decent tennis was to go from 2-5 to 5-5 in the first set. The rest of it was much worse than anything last summer. I would take her match against Safarova ten times before this match.. Safarova actually played great there, while ARad wasn't even good today.

The serve was better.. but if we analyze Miami and IW, which we didn't watch, we have to say her return was worse, as she could barely break puff serve Radwanska. :shrug: I think the serve looked better because of the toss.. and the toss was not much of an issue because it was indoors. But if you look at points won with the serve, it was not that good. ARad was winning more free points out of her puffy serve.

The worst thing is obviously her head.. as she can't win an important point to save her life. I would be happy to see her play like crap but still manage to win against a decent opponent. It would mean she was determined and focused, and would give her a chance to play an extra match and actually improve her game. She can even play well.. but if she doesn't hit a good shot when it matters, she will keep losing, and won't have the chance to improve. That's the biggest problem. Until there is improvement in that, I don't think we will have anything to be positive about.

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:27 AM
Even the former coach of arguably the GOAT in women's tennis hasn't helped matters. So clearly it wasn't so much that Ana needed a coach. Something else is missing. And Ana's desire to play tennis is probably it.

Agreed. That's it... she doesn't look like she really wants to play for the sake of playing.. she just want to go out there and see everything go her way.. When they don't, because her game is in such poor state, the fact that she didn't really WANT to play surfaces.. at tough times, this feeling also surfaces. And she loses. Natural result.

spiritedenergy
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:34 AM
Did we really really really watched the same match? Really?

Ana's BH was atrocious.. especially in the beginning. So so many shanks. And I didn't mean she was benefitting from short balls.. but that she was giving ARad only short balls from her BH side. If ARad had more power in her own BH, she would have hit many more winners.

The only patch that she played remotely decent tennis was to go from 2-5 to 5-5 in the first set. The rest of it was much worse than anything last summer. I would take her match against Safarova ten times before this match.. Safarova actually played great there, while ARad wasn't even good today.

The serve was better.. but if we analyze Miami and IW, which we didn't watch, we have to say her return was worse, as she could barely break puff serve Radwanska. :shrug: I think the serve looked better because of the toss.. and the toss was not much of an issue because it was indoors. But if you look at points won with the serve, it was not that good. ARad was winning more free points out of her puffy serve.

The worst thing is obviously her head.. as she can't win an important point to save her life. I would be happy to see her play like crap but still manage to win against a decent opponent. It would mean she was determined and focused, and would give her a chance to play an extra match and actually improve her game. She can even play well.. but if she doesn't hit a good shot when it matters, she will keep losing, and won't have the chance to improve. That's the biggest problem. Until there is improvement in that, I don't think we will have anything to be positive about.

i saw from 1-2 to 6-7 maybes i missed the shank BHs :lol:

Her BH has always been kind of like that I have to say, it was never really deep, especially on clay, she was always doing some weird things with her BH like moonballing apart from the slice, so i don't see that much of a difference on clay.
About her serve, she didn't have many 1st serves in but i saw it better, more powerful and precise. I think this was the best she played since Brisbane? We didn't see much this year anyways but i see some improvements.
And the panic attacks i think come from her being too scared to lose, she should really see a specialist, i had one once (triggered by awful weather) and they are scary

bruce goose
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:45 AM
And the panic attacks i think come from her being too scared to lose, she should really see a specialist, i had one once (triggered by awful weather) and they are scaryYou'd probably have ANOTHER panic attack if the UK ever appointed Princess Craig as Ambassador to Italy......On a more serious note,I simply don't believe that Ana began manifesting psychological problems just now during her career;it's theoretically possible---but I seriously doubt it.If I had to guess,Mom and Pops did NOTHING when they saw Ana show these symptoms during her youth...they simply wished them away or pretended that the problem wasn't so bad...which is where Ana learned her "problem-solving skills" from:rolleyes:....If I were they,I'd rather piss Ana off by recommending a specialist instead of remaining in cowardly silence just to be her 'buddy'....and we know that Shitbag doesn't care if Ana is suffering b/c his only power comes from her mental fragility.....Ana,if you REALLY wanna make a difference in your country,then seek some help for yourSELF first...please,Sweetie

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 12:46 AM
i saw from 1-2 to 6-7 maybes i missed the shank BHs :lol:

Her BH has always been kind of like that I have to say, it was never really deep, especially on clay, she was always doing some weird things with her BH like moonballing apart from the slice, so i don't see that much of a difference on clay.
About her serve, she didn't have many 1st serves in but i saw it better, more powerful and precise. I think this was the best she played since Brisbane? We didn't see much this year anyways but i see some improvements.

Oh yeah.. watch the first 3 games.. About 20 BH shanks.. there was one that didn't even touch the net. :help:

I had never seen her BH looking so awkward and ugly as today. Sure.. Ana never had a great BH.. but moonballing and slicing is variety, no shame on that.. I wish she had done more of that today, instead of going into CC BH "battles" with ARad. The ball would get shorter and shorter until a shank.

If we look at the time Ana was playing well.. heck, even back in 2005/2006, she had a pretty decent BH. It wasn't her match winning shot, but she could handle rallies with it. Nowadays all anyone has to do to beat her is play only to her BH. It gets pretty easy to do as Ana's shots are not that hard anymore, so it's easy to change direction. Her Forehand did look better, but still too erractic to help matters.

About the serve.. it did look a bit more powerful, but as I've said.. it was indoors, no real issue with the toss. And she still couldn't get many free points out of it. :shrug:

And the second set was completely awful. I understand now your posts.. you basically only watched the short stretch of the match Ana was a bit better. Looking at it as a whole though.. it was awful.

And the panic attacks i think come from her being too scared to lose, she should really see a specialist, i had one once (triggered by awful weather) and they are scary

I'm actually honestly worried about this. I'm serious when I say it can become an emotional disease if it's not threated. It's serious stuff.. and she has had too many of those.

Jankarenka
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:04 AM
Has she lost or gained weight since the AO FO 2008?

bruce goose
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:13 AM
Has she lost or gained weight since the AO FO 2008?It's hard to know her precise weight,Jano,b/c we can't trust her team to tell the truth...but she looked slow today.She doesn't move well enough to be a top player...not even close.It wouldn't surprise me at all if she had begun drinking now to drown her depression sometimes.....NOT like an alcoholic...just to the extent that it contributed to her poor physical condition

Jankarenka
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:28 AM
It's hard to know her precise weight,Jano,b/c we can't trust her team to tell the truth...but she looked slow today.She doesn't move well enough to be a top player...not even close.It wouldn't surprise me at all if she had begun drinking now to drown her depression sometimes.....NOT like an alcoholic...just to the extent that it contributed to her poor physical condition

Haha, I think it would'nt hurt her to lose 5 kg

Loungy
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:28 AM
I agree with you..

Just one thing.. I don't think Ana herself or her team realizes this. I believe they are waiting for things to fall from the sky, and for her to suddenly play great and win many matches.
I don't subscribe to this notion. :shrug: From the APDP team to what Ana has now, these are pros who have enjoyed some degree of success. They aren't perfect, but they're not dumb or delusional.

It's not rocket science or a professional decision that takes a lot of pondering: when a player is about to suffer massive drop in rankings, particularly of the sort that compromises getting into the MD of big events, if s/he isn't injured, s/he PLAYS. Everything. Everywhere.

Unless the player doesn't want to. Ana most likely doesn't want to and whoever is with her has to work around this. That's all there is to it.

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:36 AM
I don't subscribe to this notion. :shrug: From the APDP team to what Ana has now, these are pros who have enjoyed some degree of success. They aren't perfect, but they're not dumb or delusional.

It's not rocket science or a professional decision that takes a lot of pondering: when a player is about to suffer massive drop in rankings, particularly of the sort that compromises getting into the MD of big events, if s/he isn't injured, s/he PLAYS. Everything. Everywhere.

Unless the player doesn't want to. Ana most likely doesn't want to and whoever is with her has to work around this. That's all there is to it.

So maybe she is expecting things to suddenly happen.. :shrug:

But yes.. you are probably right. She clearly doesn't want to play more.. she said it herself in one of the latest interviews. At the same time she is talking about getting back to the top 10. Contradiction much? I can only figure that she thinks she will suddenly start winning.. because otherwise doesn't make any sense. :shrug:

Loungy
Apr 28th, 2010, 02:14 AM
I have no idea, Izzy. All I know is that after almost 2 years, I'm ready to stop being

http://i43.tinypic.com/6dtnb9.gif

about this mess.

Davodus
Apr 28th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Did we really really really watched the same match? Really?

Ana's BH was atrocious.. especially in the beginning. So so many shanks. And I didn't mean she was benefitting from short balls.. but that she was giving ARad only short balls from her BH side. If ARad had more power in her own BH, she would have hit many more winners.

The only patch that she played remotely decent tennis was to go from 2-5 to 5-5 in the first set. The rest of it was much worse than anything last summer. I would take her match against Safarova ten times before this match.. Safarova actually played great there, while ARad wasn't even good today.

The serve was better.. but if we analyze Miami and IW, which we didn't watch, we have to say her return was worse, as she could barely break puff serve Radwanska. :shrug: I think the serve looked better because of the toss.. and the toss was not much of an issue because it was indoors. But if you look at points won with the serve, it was not that good. ARad was winning more free points out of her puffy serve.

The worst thing is obviously her head.. as she can't win an important point to save her life. I would be happy to see her play like crap but still manage to win against a decent opponent. It would mean she was determined and focused, and would give her a chance to play an extra match and actually improve her game. She can even play well.. but if she doesn't hit a good shot when it matters, she will keep losing, and won't have the chance to improve. That's the biggest problem. Until there is improvement in that, I don't think we will have anything to be positive about.

I think she played okay, it is better than what I have seen from her for a little while, but I totally agree with the last part of your post. She was hitting some nice serves, nice forehands and not nice backhands in the match, at non important moments. Except for when she went 2-5 to 5-5, when there was an important point, she missed the big shot, or she got anxious and went for too much too soon. She could have won this match if she had hit her backhand on the strings and made some of the forehands she missed on big points.

hellas719
Apr 28th, 2010, 02:53 AM
Ana :sad:
Keep trying!

Pops Maellard
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:43 AM
I'm becoming increasingly less hopeful when it comes to Ana. If you asked me if I believe she'd ever return to the Top 10 and win another slam, I would definitely say no.

The 2nd Law
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:45 AM
For the record, the God's intervened today and my alarm did not go off to wake me to watch the match. Luckily for my mental health :lol:
Just reading the comments on here though, I can picture the match, don't need to have watched really. I am very frustrated. I just hope that Ana does not give up.

Re the panic attack: I'll be pretty fucking pissed off if they don't recognise this is a serious problem, whether it's Ana, her team, or her parents, they all need to swallow their pride and admit to the problem. Ana NEEDS help in this area, I hope Heinz is pushing for this. Her parents should be pushing for this. Adam should be pushing for it. Ana will not admit she needs a psychologist, and I don't blame her, it would be a very hard thing to accept, but she and the people around her need to realise that if they don't tackle this, it will not only be a problem for her tennis career ...

I will also be very very VERY annoyed if Ana and co. don't have the initiative to cancel her participation in either Rome or Madrid and enter a smaller tourney, like Estoril or Warsaw. If it was okay to not play Fed Cup fo Stuttgart, it's okay to play a smaller tournament for Rome or Madrid, imo. Seriously, they need to WAKE UP.

I can't help but feel so sorry for her though, I want so desperately for Ana to be successful again, and it isn't even a selfish thing. I want it for her.

Pops Maellard
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:54 AM
Panic attacks? Come on...

You guys really believe that? I for one don't see her hyperventilating on court. Sounds like another excuse to me.

The 2nd Law
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:57 AM
Panic attacks? Come on...

You guys really believe that? I for one don't see her hyperventilating on court. Sounds like another excuse to me.

From all reports, Ana had to sit down in the second set because of breathing problems? I believe it.

Pops Maellard
Apr 28th, 2010, 06:00 AM
From all reports, Ana had to sit down in the second set because of breathing problems? I believe it.
Oh well I didn't know that. :scratch: Very weird.

If Ana doesn't get help for this then shame on her.

Davodus
Apr 28th, 2010, 06:33 AM
Yeah she couldn't breath or something and had to sit down and call the trainer.

Jang87
Apr 28th, 2010, 06:42 AM
It happened in the second set at 5-3 when it was Anas turn to serve. At first she just bent over (You know, like you do when you are tying your shoelaces). Then she went to sit down. It was definitely a panic attack. She let the pressure of holding serve get to her. I felt really bad for her when it happened. She is trying to stay calm and keep her emotions under control but its eating her up from the inside. She needs to deal with this problem asap. This is the cause of her slump. And if she doesn't get it under control she will continue on this path. Its quite painful to see really.

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:20 PM
Panic attacks? Come on...

You guys really believe that? I for one don't see her hyperventilating on court. Sounds like another excuse to me.

It's no excuse Aaron.. I don't think she or her team has ever mentioned it or admited it.

But Ana was definitely having a panic attack yesterday. She bent over, and had trouble breathing. She went on to seat, and had the very same expression as she did in Doha 2008. Sweating a lot, dizzy, heavy breathing and scared look. The big problem is that it seems to be a constant.. she has these panic attacks on a very frequent basis.. Had it in Doha, again against Vika in RG.. now.. and more times... She needs to get treatment.. this is serious.

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:21 PM
I have no idea, Izzy. All I know is that after almost 2 years, I'm ready to stop being

http://i43.tinypic.com/6dtnb9.gif

about this mess.

Yeah.. yeah... I'm giving up on that too...

It has been 2 years after all.. and nothing is changing in any possible way.. so...

Maybe one day she can surprise us... :shrug: or not.. :sobbing:

Pops Maellard
Apr 28th, 2010, 01:30 PM
It's no excuse Aaron.. I don't think she or her team has ever mentioned it or admited it.

But Ana was definitely having a panic attack yesterday. She bent over, and had trouble breathing. She went on to seat, and had the very same expression as she did in Doha 2008. Sweating a lot, dizzy, heavy breathing and scared look. The big problem is that it seems to be a constant.. she has these panic attacks on a very frequent basis.. Had it in Doha, again against Vika in RG.. now.. and more times... She needs to get treatment.. this is serious.
I dunno. OK well thanks for filling me in. If playing tennis is that much of a nightmare for her nowadays, then what's there left to say? :shrug:

Cp6uja
Apr 28th, 2010, 02:34 PM
I will also be very very VERY annoyed if Ana and co. don't have the initiative to cancel her participation in either Rome or Madrid and enter a smaller tourney, like Estoril or Warsaw. If it was okay to not play Fed Cup fo Stuttgart, it's okay to play a smaller tournament for Rome or Madrid, imo.You can't be serious about this "initiative"!? One thing is to complain why she not played more tournaments and why don't want to add some of Mickey Mouse events to her original schedule after so many early round defeats... but ask of her to play MM INSTEAD real tennis tournaments is simple no sense.

babuska6
Apr 28th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Many people say that Ana's game yesterday was awful but I cannot agree. Ok,everyone has to see that this Ana is a shadow of Ana from 2008,but I have to say I was really surprised with her improvement yesterday. Mainly,her ball toss was not as poor as It was few weeks ago. She had to redo it few times during the match. Her forehand has improved a lot,too. In the end of the match she did simply stupid errors,but most of forehand were very strong and well placed,so I am satisfied with these parts of her game. However,her backhand is very weak. She was able to keep the ball in the game with a backhand,but this shot was too slow and she was not able to attack with it,so she definitely needs to practice a lot. On one hand,I am quite surprised and satisfied with a step forward,but on the other hand,It was obvious that she could have won yesterday's match,but she did not do it because she made silly errors in the most important parts of the match,so this aspect disapointed me a lot. But keep it going Ana,I hope that this loss doesn't let her down and she will work on the court,because I still hope that she is able to go into Top 20 again.

bruce goose
Apr 28th, 2010, 03:20 PM
Her parents should be pushing for this. Adam should be pushing for it. Ana will not admit she needs a psychologist, and I don't blame her, it would be a very hard thing to accept, but she and the people around her need to realise that if they don't tackle this, it will not only be a problem for her tennis careerMy friend,we TOTALLY agree on your first sentence...but you can quit dreaming in re the second one.That phony pile of goat s--t will NEVER try to get help for Ana b/c he WANTS her to be weak and emotionally fragile.Aside from her beauty,that's a big reason why he scoped her out from the very beginning....It's true in Mexico,too,and all over the world,that there are certain guys who prey on weak women--or women of low character(Kate Hudson)--b/c it allows them to dominate the relationship,psychologically.If he won't even encourage Ana to practice more with her coach--instead of WAGging to the point where she's totally out of shape--then it's naive to expect that he'd want Ana to ever gain some poise and self-esteem.....and then recognize him for the parasite that he is.

Still,Ana is not insane so she has enough mental awareness to comprehend that she needs help...so,even though I also agree with you that she's very unlikely to seek counselling on her own...she is,technically speaking,an adult,and she bears most of the blame for this...though her slack upbringing obviously contributed a lot,too:sad:

gaviotabr
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Well.. Ana can still win a title in Stuttgart..

The Wooden Spoon! :worship:

ARad lost today to.. Peer. And if Peer loses her next match to someone who loses in the semis to someone who loses in the final, Ana will get her first title in 18 months! Pity it's not a real honor though.. :spit:

This is to everyone who thought Ana played well.. ARad was not good at all, and Ana still lost in straights.. how that is good is beyond me.

Davodus
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:15 PM
:lol: maybe they could give her a nice gold wooden spoon, to make her feel special.

Loungy
Apr 28th, 2010, 05:43 PM
You can't be serious about this "initiative"!? One thing is to complain why she not played more tournaments and why don't want to add some of Mickey Mouse events to her original schedule after so many early round defeats... but ask of her to play MM INSTEAD real tennis tournaments is simple no sense.
She's the equivalent of a bye in the "real" tennis tournaments. Time waste.

Curtos07
Apr 28th, 2010, 09:31 PM
Is that Heinz interviewing Caro at the 2:13 mark? What is he doing there? I thought he quit his TV job?

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The 2nd Law
Apr 28th, 2010, 11:51 PM
Well.. Ana can still win a title in Stuttgart..

The Wooden Spoon! :worship:

ARad lost today to.. Peer. And if Peer loses her next match to someone who loses in the semis to someone who loses in the final, Ana will get her first title in 18 months! Pity it's not a real honor though.. :spit:

This is to everyone who thought Ana played well.. ARad was not good at all, and Ana still lost in straights.. how that is good is beyond me.

I was coming here to say this too.

I hate being so negative, but I managed to watch Radwanska-Peer last night, and the only thing that Peer did to win, imo, was out hit ARad. There were patches in the second set when Peer got shakey and what a surprise, Agnieszka lifted her game and pressed, and it was crystal clear that this is what she did Ana and will continue to do if Ana's mental game and ability to manage a match doesn't improve.

Cp6uja: I admire that you refuse to be too down on Ana and her decisions, I truly do, I don't even think you are that delusional :lol: but I disagree strongly with you on the scheduling issue. Ana needs to play MMs, her mental game is scrub level, so she needs to play and beat some other scrubs in succession in order to improve her match management, as Izzy and others have reiterated countless times.

The cycle continues though, we will all be looking forward to Rome now, let's pray for a different result. I really hope she plays doubles again.

Pops Maellard
Apr 29th, 2010, 12:19 AM
I might even go as far as to say that she should play ITFs. :speakles: Shocker I know, but the last players she beat I believe are Shenay Perry and Pauline Parmentier who are basically ITF players. :shrug:

bruce goose
Apr 29th, 2010, 03:20 AM
http://www.onthebaseline.com/2010/04/28/head-games-a-look-at-the-mental-side-of-tennis-part-1/

I'm gonna post this in the articles thread,too,which is probably where this better belongs....If you've got some time to kill,then read this short article about sports psychology and tell me if there's a more textbook case,for some of the listed dysfunctions,than Ana is:help:

HowardH
Apr 29th, 2010, 04:50 AM
Will try to read it later, some things to do right now. Downloaded the first set to get a good, clearer look at it. Obviously the second set was worse, but, having said everything, there are one or two positives, as you said Spiritedenergy. Despite the fact that it seems like Ana didn't really understand how to win, and that she played very poorly when it mattered, in the tb, at least she was trying to hit the forehand harder and serve harder. I think everything else I said still applies. She doesn't like having to prove herself anew every match. She wants to achieve things from a safe place, from her cocoon. She wants to stay in her bubble, which is protecting her from feeling the fall out from all her tennis losses. This was a match against an opponent who is a good match up for her, on a surface that is her favourite, with a lot of preparation time (compared to Aga who was just playing on fast indoor hard against a slicing and volleying MJMS a couple of days ago). There are definitely many negatives. Her attitude to matches, to practice, to training, to tennis needs to change. She needs to put everything on the line (we all know she is capable of doing it).

However, it is very clear that Heinz must have told her to hit the serve harder and hit the forehand harder. That is the right thing for her, to be aggressive. And she is definitely trying to do what he asked. This is the main positive thing to take from the match. Ana is trying to do at least some of what Heinz has asked for. Well, it's probably the only positive thing. Bh was really :help:, actually seems worse now that I can see it clearly instead of in a stream. Aga was playing ok, not amazing, if Ana had stepped up and played a good tb she could have taken it. But this is something at least. I'm not sure we will see results in the FO, but I'm hopeful. I think if Ana wants to save her career, she needs to make a move this year. Heinz seems to be giving her good advice, even if he can't change her attitude towards training or matches, so I'm worried that she will stop working with him if she has a bad FO/Wimb. If she drops out of the stage where she can enter slams that might be it. So I am hoping for some results soon or at least in the latter half of the year. FO is the slam which suits her the most- if she somehow gets through a couple of matches, maybe something will spark inside her. She has won it before, there must be some unconscious memories there, although it seems like it would take a miracle for her to remember how she did that.

soul
Apr 29th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Many people say that Ana's game yesterday was awful but I cannot agree. Ok,everyone has to see that this Ana is a shadow of Ana from 2008,but I have to say I was really surprised with her improvement yesterday. Mainly,her ball toss was not as poor as It was few weeks ago. She had to redo it few times during the match. Her forehand has improved a lot,too. In the end of the match she did simply stupid errors,but most of forehand were very strong and well placed,so I am satisfied with these parts of her game. However,her backhand is very weak. She was able to keep the ball in the game with a backhand,but this shot was too slow and she was not able to attack with it,so she definitely needs to practice a lot. On one hand,I am quite surprised and satisfied with a step forward,but on the other hand,It was obvious that she could have won yesterday's match,but she did not do it because she made silly errors in the most important parts of the match,so this aspect disapointed me a lot. But keep it going Ana,I hope that this loss doesn't let her down and she will work on the court,because I still hope that she is able to go into Top 20 again.

Itotally agree.ANA did deserve to win that match butespecially crucial points she couldn't get over it.Especially in the second when she was front3-1 I hped that she would break the bad luck ;somehow she again made stupid mistakes.She did reall played well.The improvement in her game was obvious.

spiritedenergy
Apr 29th, 2010, 03:29 PM
Will try to read it later, some things to do right now. Downloaded the first set to get a good, clearer look at it. Obviously the second set was worse, but, having said everything, there are one or two positives, as you said Spiritedenergy. Despite the fact that it seems like Ana didn't really understand how to win, and that she played very poorly when it mattered, in the tb, at least she was trying to hit the forehand harder and serve harder. I think everything else I said still applies. She doesn't like having to prove herself anew every match. She wants to achieve things from a safe place, from her cocoon. She wants to stay in her bubble, which is protecting her from feeling the fall out from all her tennis losses. This was a match against an opponent who is a good match up for her, on a surface that is her favourite, with a lot of preparation time (compared to Aga who was just playing on fast indoor hard against a slicing and volleying MJMS a couple of days ago). There are definitely many negatives. Her attitude to matches, to practice, to training, to tennis needs to change. She needs to put everything on the line (we all know she is capable of doing it).

However, it is very clear that Heinz must have told her to hit the serve harder and hit the forehand harder. That is the right thing for her, to be aggressive. And she is definitely trying to do what he asked. This is the main positive thing to take from the match. Ana is trying to do at least some of what Heinz has asked for. Well, it's probably the only positive thing. Bh was really :help:, actually seems worse now that I can see it clearly instead of in a stream. Aga was playing ok, not amazing, if Ana had stepped up and played a good tb she could have taken it. But this is something at least. I'm not sure we will see results in the FO, but I'm hopeful. I think if Ana wants to save her career, she needs to make a move this year. Heinz seems to be giving her good advice, even if he can't change her attitude towards training or matches, so I'm worried that she will stop working with him if she has a bad FO/Wimb. If she drops out of the stage where she can enter slams that might be it. So I am hoping for some results soon or at least in the latter half of the year. FO is the slam which suits her the most- if she somehow gets through a couple of matches, maybe something will spark inside her. She has won it before, there must be some unconscious memories there, although it seems like it would take a miracle for her to remember how she did that.

I agree... it looks like she doesn't want to go into that "narrow space" and focus that is needed to win, because it probably takes an enormous toll emotionally, for examples the match against Hantuchova in AO SF, she had to fight so hard, she had to be so focused, then she lost the final, I'm sure the losses and delusions made Ana fearful of putting herself on the line during matches 100%. Other players like Jankovic and Radwanska can play much more relaxed because of their gamestyle, while Ana needs to be so focused in order to hit winners at crucial times, she probably feels rushed during rallies because she might think as the rally goes on and on, she will more and more likely lose it. That's why i believe she doesn't want to play too many tournaments, like Azarenka and Sharapova for example, or the WS.
What she needs now more than anything is playing mickey mouse tournaments, I saw sharapova entered strasbourg and will skip madrid, sharapova is a huge champion but she's not delusional and knows she has to play smaller events, even venus played acapulco... ana really needs to get off her pedestal and play only mickey mouse apart from slams and mandatory events

gaviotabr
Apr 29th, 2010, 04:57 PM
Will try to read it later, some things to do right now. Downloaded the first set to get a good, clearer look at it. Obviously the second set was worse, but, having said everything, there are one or two positives, as you said Spiritedenergy. Despite the fact that it seems like Ana didn't really understand how to win, and that she played very poorly when it mattered, in the tb, at least she was trying to hit the forehand harder and serve harder. I think everything else I said still applies. She doesn't like having to prove herself anew every match. She wants to achieve things from a safe place, from her cocoon. She wants to stay in her bubble, which is protecting her from feeling the fall out from all her tennis losses. This was a match against an opponent who is a good match up for her, on a surface that is her favourite, with a lot of preparation time (compared to Aga who was just playing on fast indoor hard against a slicing and volleying MJMS a couple of days ago). There are definitely many negatives. Her attitude to matches, to practice, to training, to tennis needs to change. She needs to put everything on the line (we all know she is capable of doing it).

However, it is very clear that Heinz must have told her to hit the serve harder and hit the forehand harder. That is the right thing for her, to be aggressive. And she is definitely trying to do what he asked. This is the main positive thing to take from the match. Ana is trying to do at least some of what Heinz has asked for. Well, it's probably the only positive thing. Bh was really :help:, actually seems worse now that I can see it clearly instead of in a stream. Aga was playing ok, not amazing, if Ana had stepped up and played a good tb she could have taken it. But this is something at least. I'm not sure we will see results in the FO, but I'm hopeful. I think if Ana wants to save her career, she needs to make a move this year. Heinz seems to be giving her good advice, even if he can't change her attitude towards training or matches, so I'm worried that she will stop working with him if she has a bad FO/Wimb. If she drops out of the stage where she can enter slams that might be it. So I am hoping for some results soon or at least in the latter half of the year. FO is the slam which suits her the most- if she somehow gets through a couple of matches, maybe something will spark inside her. She has won it before, there must be some unconscious memories there, although it seems like it would take a miracle for her to remember how she did that.

Completely agreed.

Ana just doesn't seem willing to get out of her confort zone, put the emotional effort in, get herself recommited. She wants thing to get to her instead of going out there to get them. Unfortunately, that won't do. Most of times the difference between top players and top 100 players is exactly the commitment and the willingness to prove themselves over and over again, the mental strength. Ana has none of this at the moment.. so only fair to be losing matches and falling down the rankings. Sad, but true.

I don't think the little tiny improvements like hitting the forehand harder (I won't mention the serve, because this was indoors and it's a whole different matter) will help her win matches if she doesn't put the commitment in.. at the end of the day, when she gets an important point to play, she will miss the forehand she has been nailing, just because she is not body and soul into it. So it really doesn't make a difference. Without wins, she won't recover confidence or overall level of play.

gaviotabr
Apr 29th, 2010, 04:58 PM
http://www.onthebaseline.com/2010/04/28/head-games-a-look-at-the-mental-side-of-tennis-part-1/

I'm gonna post this in the articles thread,too,which is probably where this better belongs....If you've got some time to kill,then read this short article about sports psychology and tell me if there's a more textbook case,for some of the listed dysfunctions,than Ana is:help:

Interesting Bruce! Thanks!

As we've talked about this many times, you know how I believe this is the root of all problems.. unfortunately I don't think Ana even admits it.. so..

gaviotabr
Apr 29th, 2010, 05:08 PM
Rome draw should be up saturday, right? Or is it sunday?

Not that it matters much..

Ana has 110 points to defend, so she will probably fall down the rankings a bit more. Not much though.. Without those points she is 62 in this weeks rankings.