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HowardH
May 28th, 2010, 12:08 AM
Ana can rise again. But she has to realise how she's really playing. Forget about saying that Kleybanova didn't miss anything, she played a great match. That's like saying she was unbeatable, there was no shame in losing to her. Kleybanova played a good match, probably at about top 15 level. But what level would Alisa need to have played at to lose to Ana today? I would guess at least outside top 40 level. Maybe more. I couldn't see the stream that clearly at the beginning and not at all in the second set, but I think Alisa would have needed to play a poor match for her standards, approaching top 50 level, in order to lose. Ana needs to realise that.

The other option is that Ana has some kind of miracle flukey run in Wimb or USO. The odds against it are pretty big, but if she can just run into a string of players who play horribly and gift the matches to her... The funny thing would be if she then slumped immediately afterwards again, which is actually probably quite likely :tape:.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 01:44 AM
Well, I consider myself a AnaKAD for life, so I guess I have to have a little bit of faith. Although, to be totally honest, it's very difficult at times. After Miami, I mentally accepted the fact that Ana was going to be just another average tennis player at best who will have a good tournament from time to time but be mediocore when compared to the lets say the top 20-25. But after Rome I started believing again and thought that she just might turn it around. Now I am back to where I was before.

What I am going to be most interested in is to see how she does in the 2nd half of the season after Wimbledon. Can she take advantage of the fact that she is defending absolutely nothing and make a steady rise in the rankings? Can she make a few deep runs like she did in Rome? How will she fare against the top players on the tour? Will she play in more smaller tournaments after the USO? Will she WAG as much as she did in the past? These will tell me if I should have any realistic hope about Ana for 2011 and beyond. This is so damn depressing. :sobbing:

This season is over.. but it will be telling how she reacts in the coming months.

I'm also an Ana fan for life.. but I think I'll be rooting for her to lose early in every tournament until the end of the year. Maybe then she will realize the problem is not the people around her, the problem is herself. Seeing how such a great coach like Heinz could do nothing to help her may just make her see that she needs to change her approach to the game, change inside. It might cost Heinz his job, but hey.. if she doesn't change, she won't be getting results anyway, so it doesn't matter.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 01:46 AM
The BEST thing that came from RG,IMO,was Ana's offended reaction when the press brought up JJ's fistpump...if Ana had giggled and laughed that off,then I wouldn't have blamed you for making funeral arrangements.Honestly,I wanna see more of that...more of JJ,Wilander and other top figures in tennis laughing at Ana and making jokes about her.....If THAT'S what it takes to get her pissed-off at herself,then bring it on!She'll benefit from it in the long term

mm.. I don't think she should have said anything about JJ. She is now in a cat fight and that's JJ's territory. Ana not only feels uncomfortable, but she shrinks in the eye of a conflit.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 01:48 AM
Yes. Someone should tell that to Ana, she still doesn't pick tournaments accordingly.

Ana is contradictory.. she says she wants to get top 10 this year.. but doesn't even fight to win matches.. says her game belongs to the top level, but doesn't think she played bad while being routed and humiliated by top 30 opponent. Then she choses only Premier tournaments to play...

No sense..

bruce goose
May 28th, 2010, 01:51 AM
mm.. I don't think she should have said anything about JJ. She is now in a cat fight and that's JJ's territory. Ana not only feels uncomfortable, but she shrinks in the eye of a conflit.Well,I can't argue with your reasoning there...it's just that I see what happens when great champions are dissatisfied with a subpar performance...either from themselves or their teammates:They get angry,and they won't fully rest until they've set things right........

I've almost NEVER seen this winning attitude from Ana...this mindset that no one will stand in my way...that I won't take any crap from anyone....Guess I was just glad to see SOME fire from her for the first time in forever

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 01:52 AM
Ana can rise again. But she has to realise how she's really playing. Forget about saying that Kleybanova didn't miss anything, she played a great match. That's like saying she was unbeatable, there was no shame in losing to her. Kleybanova played a good match, probably at about top 15 level. But what level would Alisa need to have played at to lose to Ana today? I would guess at least outside top 40 level. Maybe more. I couldn't see the stream that clearly at the beginning and not at all in the second set, but I think Alisa would have needed to play a poor match for her standards, approaching top 50 level, in order to lose. Ana needs to realise that.

The other option is that Ana has some kind of miracle flukey run in Wimb or USO. The odds against it are pretty big, but if she can just run into a string of players who play horribly and gift the matches to her... The funny thing would be if she then slumped immediately afterwards again, which is actually probably quite likely :tape:.

You are always spot on Howard.

Kleybs actually wasn't that good.. Ana made her look good by feeding her balls to her hitting zone. But someone who can take the game from her, get her out of the comfort zone will make appear all of Kleybs dificulties. Ana played.. top 70 tennis today.. for her to win, Kleybs would have to be in an UEs machine mode.

Flukey runs are not helpful.. maybe they even hurt more than help, because it creates an ilusion of form, and Ana gets deluded by it. Gradual improvement should be good.. actually right now I would only ask her to fight for matches.

hellas719
May 28th, 2010, 04:30 AM
Ana :sobbing:

spiritedenergy
May 28th, 2010, 04:58 AM
ana wrote on facebook... i think it was really her, she sounded disappointed... i didn't even comment, don't know what to say really> i hope she can come back to some decent state in the future:sobbing:

spiritedenergy
May 28th, 2010, 05:08 AM
David is right, it's the second meaning. ">" here means "beats, trumps, is better than". "couch time > court time" means "couch time, ie spending time analysing herself and her game with say a sports psychologist or someone similar, would be better for Ana than more court time".

yes she needs that... but that facebook quote hints she didn't get it. she's saying she needs hard work, but now she needs to solve her mental problems before anything, otherwise she might have some fluke wins but never be back on top. I'm pretty sure she feels embarassed only at the idea of visiting a shrink, but she needs to do it. It might now wrok anyways, but it's worth a try. And she has the money and the time to find a good sport psychologist.

bluebunny
May 28th, 2010, 05:51 AM
I know this sounds crazy but my theory is that Ana's problems have a lot(not everything) to do with Rafael Nadal. Her unraveling was immediately after the French Open win and that visit to Mallorca. I think she is heartbroken because Rafa is her REAL love. I think she may have been led on a bit during that time. Yeah, crazy. :shrug:

McPie
May 28th, 2010, 07:12 AM
I swear to myself, if she got RG this time, I'll buy her dress :haha:




looks like I can save 35 euros this year :awww:

Curtos07
May 28th, 2010, 07:17 AM
I know this sounds crazy but my theory is that Ana's problems have a lot(not everything) to do with Rafael Nadal. Her unraveling was immediately after the French Open win and that visit to Mallorca. I think she is heartbroken because Rafa is her REAL love. I think she may have been led on a bit during that time. Yeah, crazy.:shrug:

Yeah, crazy indeed.

Pops Maellard
May 28th, 2010, 07:36 AM
She just needs to take Nando back. :shrug: :p

Curtos07
May 28th, 2010, 07:58 AM
She just needs to take Nando back. :shrug: :p

At least with Nando she would be on a tennis court rather than a golf course.

Pops Maellard
May 28th, 2010, 09:29 AM
At least with Nando she would be on a tennis court rather than a golf course.
Yeah, Nando's work-ethic could possibly rub off on Ana.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 10:37 AM
Ana should first and foremost decide what she wants for her life. She is still waiting for things to happen to her instead of making them happen.. and she is still a mental mess.. she doesn't even know her game is barely top 50 at the moment.

Also.. Ana has the "arenas or nothing" syndrome. Yes... When you are a big time rock band and you play on all those huge arenas for big prizes, and then somehow something happens and you have to scale down to grinding on the road, playing bars and smokey gigs to build yourself up again, the first reaction is to resist it. To want that big time arena again right now, and feel like crap when playing the smokey gig, because you just didn't want to be there.

What I mean is.. Ana doesn't want to grind, doesn't feel all that motivated to have to work hard for a round 2 win.. if it comes easy great.. if she has to fight and dig deep, then forget it. She is still saying her goal is get back to the top 10 and win grand slams.. She should realize where she is at the moment and set realistic goals for herself. Learn how to grind. That's the only way to reach the arenas again.

But then again, to do that she has to see what she really wants from life, what her priorities are. Set them very straight and clear.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 10:43 AM
One thing just crossed my mind about yesterday's match.

At the very beginning, Ana looked like she was pushing herself.. like trying to get herself to focus. At first I thought it was good.. it seemed like she wanted it.. but now thinking I believe it was the opposite.. she was flat and not there since the first moment. And she saw it, so she tried to force herself to concentrate. But that's unnatural, and as soon as the first difficulty came, she just let go and lost all those games in a row. You can't force yourself to focus, either you are or not.

There is also something I've been reading in articles.. how ridiculous Ana sounded saying she didn't do much wrong. Like not doing much wrong is the best she can do.. which is so stupid honestly. You should play to win, not to avoid doing much wrong. Apart from the fact that she indeed did much wrong.. because she let Kleybs play and fead her all the good balls like on a tennis drill and then made DFs and UEs gallore.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 10:47 AM
yes she needs that... but that facebook quote hints she didn't get it. she's saying she needs hard work, but now she needs to solve her mental problems before anything, otherwise she might have some fluke wins but never be back on top. I'm pretty sure she feels embarassed only at the idea of visiting a shrink, but she needs to do it. It might now wrok anyways, but it's worth a try. And she has the money and the time to find a good sport psychologist.

I think the facebook message is all PR.. and she is probably disappointed, but not at the right reasons.

I agree with the rest.. It's so mental with her she should do everything in her power to fix it. She seems so resistent to it though..

bruce goose
May 28th, 2010, 12:04 PM
I know this sounds crazy but my theory is that Ana's problems have a lot(not everything) to do with Rafael Nadal. Her unraveling was immediately after the French Open win and that visit to Mallorca. I think she is heartbroken because Rafa is her REAL love. I think she may have been led on a bit during that time. Yeah, crazy. :shrug:Just the last part is probably wrong;in light of what we know about Ana's immaturity...and Nadal's personal history...it's sort of ridiculous to believe that they were 'platonic'....that's as dumb as believing in Santa Claus....but I can't blame Nadal for 'leading her on'.Ana was plenty old enough to know what she was doing.When they were caught running around and had to separate for a couple months(cuz of Nadal's standby gf),Ana looked depressed and that contributed a lot to the start of her slump............but Ana is blindly,almost dangerously infatuated with an Australian,lowlife anal tumor now....she might get back with Rafa someday,but I seriously doubt she's fixated on him currently

mure
May 28th, 2010, 12:38 PM
Gaviota,you are right especially about the "waiting for things to fall from the sky" thing.One would think that now that she;s fallen so down in the rankings she would take more risks in her game but no,she just keeps on playing passively waiting for matches to be handed on a plate.

Whatever,now we can see how being a fan of a journeywoman feels :bounce:

Anapolis will be like.."Tax Garbin is the best" forum..where there are like 2 posts a week ...example "Ana was drawn against Rybarikova for Palermo r1 :D" and next day"Ana lost..good luck in next tournament:hug:"

azdaja
May 28th, 2010, 01:31 PM
i was on the rg website to check out live scores and ana was in 2 most popular photos there :lol: will she ever again match her popularity with good tennis?

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 03:06 PM
Gaviota,you are right especially about the "waiting for things to fall from the sky" thing.One would think that now that she;s fallen so down in the rankings she would take more risks in her game but no,she just keeps on playing passively waiting for matches to be handed on a plate.

Whatever,now we can see how being a fan of a journeywoman feels :bounce:

Anapolis will be like.."Tax Garbin is the best" forum..where there are like 2 posts a week ...example "Ana was drawn against Rybarikova for Palermo r1 :D" and next day"Ana lost..good luck in next tournament:hug:"

:sobbing: How sad.. But honestly.. I haven't seen much of Garbin.. but I guess, for her standards, she has played at the very least a few good matches in the past couple of years. I think Ana hasn't played a good match for her standards since 2008. :tape:

Maybe the best match she played in this stretch was against Stosur at Wimbledon 09.. but Stosur helped out.. she was not playing well. So I can't say it was a great match from Ana. I didn't think Ana played well in any match in Rome 10 either.. her opponents were making over 30 UEs in each match. 2 years of mediocre play.. indeed a journeywoman.

I also can't understand all this fear.. just play.. I mean.. and not only in matches.. it's her whole attitude.. always waiting for a gift from the skies. At the presser in Rome she said it clearly.. like she was hoping something good would happen for her at any moment.. and it didn't happen in Stuttgart but happened in Rome. That's such a huge bullshit. She is being passive in life, in her approach to tennis.. not only in matches. Maybe her being so passive on court is due to being passive out of it as well. She is just waiting for her fortunes to turn.. someone has to tell her that's not how real life works.. that she has to make it happen.

gaviotabr
May 28th, 2010, 03:09 PM
i was on the rg website to check out live scores and ana was in 2 most popular photos there :lol: will she ever again match her popularity with good tennis?

I'm beginning to think she won't. It's been just too long. And she doesn't have all the time in the world. All the scars she is getting now.. they will be a mark forever.

Maybe her popularity will one day fall to match her tennis. :shrug:

McPie
May 28th, 2010, 03:36 PM
At least with Nando she would be on a tennis court rather than a golf course.

c'mon, Curtkid, give her some cheer :p

this isn't your usual action :p

azdaja
May 28th, 2010, 10:18 PM
Maybe her popularity will one day fall to match her tennis. :shrug:
it looks like a more likely scenario :tape:

Cp6uja
May 29th, 2010, 01:06 PM
I'm so happy that already in next round GOAT Shvedova humiliate real "Baby Elephant" Kleybanova 6-2 4-6 6-0 :worship:
Now Ana is ashamed for almost calling Kleybanova "WTA Nadal" two days ago :tape:... which is good and helpfool for Ana to face reallity.
Also, I think only tennis players which good results is able to motivate and inspire Ana are Djokovic, Jankovic and Sharapova, but thanks to Nadal/Henin draw her compatriots are limited to semis and Pova will finish in next couple hours :(

So I can't say it was a great match from Ana. I didn't think Ana played well in any match in Rome 10 either.. her opponents were making over 30 UEs in each match. 2 years of mediocre play.. indeed a journeywoman.When Ana plays good (especially on clay), her opponents traditionally looks pathetic and hopeless, so Vesnina, Azarenka, Petrova and Dementieva is not exceptions, and Ana also has match against very motivated in-form Jankovic under control till 6-4 4-4. On other hand when she plays badly... that was sometime club level badly (no matter on surface) so no surprise that in 2nd sets of her RG/10 matches Chang serve looks Karlovic-like, and Kleybanova game Nadal-like :haha:

Rome shows us that she not forget to play tennis like seems sometime, but Paris shows that Ana not seems that close to real comeback. If Ana not reach at least SF at warm-up UNICEF OPEN, upcoming Wimbledon will be her career first Grand Slam event ever when NOBODY don't have any expectation of her... so we will see what will happen in circumstances like that.

gaviotabr
May 29th, 2010, 01:43 PM
I'm so happy that already in next round GOAT Shvedova humiliate real "Baby Elephant" Kleybanova 6-2 4-6 6-0 :worship:
Now Ana is ashamed for almost calling Kleybanova "WTA Nadal" two days ago :tape:... which is good and helpfool for Ana to face reallity.
Also, I think only tennis players which good results is able to motivate and inspire Ana are Djokovic, Jankovic and Sharapova, but thanks to Nadal/Henin draw her compatriots are limited to semis and Pova will finish in next couple hours :(

She should have watched Kleybs getting spanked to realize how awful she played. Unfortunately she most probably didn't and still think she didn't do all that wrong.. :o So ridiculous..

When Ana plays good (especially on clay), her opponents traditionally looks pathetic and hopeless, so Vesnina, Azarenka, Petrova and Dementieva is not exceptions, and Ana also has match against very motivated in-form Jankovic under control till 6-4 4-4. On other hand when she plays badly... that was sometime club level badly (no matter on surface) so no surprise that in 2nd sets of her RG/10 matches Chang serve looks Karlovic-like, and Kleybanova game Nadal-like :haha:

Rome shows us that she not forget to play tennis like seems sometime, but Paris shows that Ana not seems that close to real comeback. If Ana not reach at least SF at warm-up UNICEF OPEN, upcoming Wimbledon will be her career first Grand Slam event ever when NOBODY don't have any expectation of her... so we will see what will happen in circumstances like that.

I agree that when Ana sucks, she sucks hard. Real club level.

But no.. I've seen plenty of Ana's matches where I could see she was playing some great tennis.. it was about her doing great, not about her opponents playing like crap. It was not about her opponents looking pathetic and hopeless.. it was about Ana blitzing them. And in all Rome matches I thought it was much more about the opponents mishitting everything than about Ana playing well. Obviously she was not playing bad.. but it was not high level tennis IMHO. She was solid.. was defending her serve.. and most importantly, she was fighting.. while her opponents were completely awful. I'm not even going to talk about the Madrid match, because that was such a huge hot mess... horrible.

I like watching old matches to remember why I like Ana.. and I'mm 100% positive to say she hasn't played at a real high level for almost 2 years.

gaviotabr
Sep 6th, 2010, 01:39 AM
I don't like the pusher game either. And Ana can't win matches like that.. she is not that good of a mover. I don't understand how she insists on being so passive, if when she is aggressive she is winning the points. I thought her BH had improved a bit with the matchs in Rome.. but dear God, was it club level or what yesterday? I don't think I've ever seen that many shanks and framed shots.

I'm thinking Ana is doing everything backwards... so maybe she will lose first round at RG and make a run at the USO? Strange things are happening...

I hope that when she loses it's just because the opponent was better.. not because she was a complete idiot and choked the match away. That worries me a lot more, and it makes a mark on the player. The more you choke (and Ana has done a lot of that in the past couple of years), the more difficult it is for you to win.. because the choke is always there and can show up at any time. :o

:lol:

I was totally predicting Ana's run at the USO.. :lol: