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sfan
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:37 PM
Nothing tests your mentality more than playing on the bigstage for a big title. Vika actually managed to win a huge title like Miami and played really well against Venus in the dubai Final. Where as Caro has lost all the three big finals that she has played, and apart from the first set in USO Final, she hasnt managed to make any impression at all.

I think it takes more guts to come out firing in the finals of big tournaments and Vika has done it better than caro. Why is Caro still considered the Mental Goat of the younger generation?

Plus personally, I think it is harder to stay mentally strong when you are the aggressive one as compared to just putting the balls in play.

Keegan
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:39 PM
Because Vika can have a huge lead and eventually self-destruct? *cough4-0upinthesecondsetafterwinningthefirstcough*

goldenlox
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:39 PM
Wozniacki got into a slam final. It was a freak, beating Oudin and Wickmayer. But still was in a slam final.
Both of them play better when not playing a big match. That is true for most of the tour.

Serena y Monica
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:40 PM
I didn't until this week. Actually I'm not sure yet...this would have been the week to step up and take charge. Did she buckle under expectations...or did she just play a bad match...we will see how the Miami defense goes.

Christinawww
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:41 PM
Serena was injured in that final so Vika got a lot of help there in winning that match. It took Vika 5 finals before she manage to win one, all MM: IV, IV, III, IV, III/International.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:50 PM
Azarenka has less luck

That is all the difference between Wozniacki and Azarenka

Volcana
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:50 PM
Mental toughness is a matter of doing what you're trying to do. Wozniacki doesn't go off the rails as often as Azarenka.

BTW, Wozniacki does, against most players, do a lot more than just hit the back. Against light hitters (like herself) Wozniacki has a very varied game. She's fun to watch. Against erratic big hitters, she wins easily because they make a lot of errors. Her problem is that when she's up against the fastest of the hard hitters. She can't get into her offense, cause the ball is going too fast. But she doesn't fail to execute. What she's trying to do just isn't good enough sometimes.

Azarenka fails to execute. Look at her loss in this tournament.

brent-o
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:51 PM
Vika gets pretty worked up and upset, and it really affects her tennis level. Caro, sure she is no ice-cold veined competitor. It showed in this match that she can lose it too. But I just think she has a better ability to shrug it off from point to point.

jbeacinu
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:52 PM
Australian open

Wiggly
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:54 PM
Because everytime she plays a Slam QF, she destroys the top player she's facing in the 1st set and manage to drop to a I'm-a-75-years-old-grandma level after that.

madmax
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:55 PM
Vika is obviously much more talented player, she's just not blessed with calm attitude and mental strenght unfortunately...this huge weakness cost her plenty of big wins and titles so far - let's see if she's capable of overcoming her frailties

sfan
Mar 21st, 2010, 08:56 PM
Australian open

The tournament where Vika played her heart out but fell short when the 5 time champion raised her game to levels not many can reach? Caro couldnt even keep up with Na Li

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 21st, 2010, 09:04 PM
Did you watch their YEC match?

Tennisstar86
Mar 21st, 2010, 09:05 PM
Because unlike the WOZ, Azarenka has a say in the outcome of her matches....

colt13
Mar 21st, 2010, 09:22 PM
Perception has something to do with it. Wozniacki has been in a slam final, so that is a huge plus for her. But legends are made by beating the Williams sisters. Azarenka is 1-6 against them, but 4 of the meetings were at a slam(3 AO, 1 Wimby), plus the Olympics and Azarenka lost them all. The only win was Miami. On the other hand, Wozniacki is 0-6 vs the Williams sisters and has never faced them in a slam.

Vikapower
Mar 21st, 2010, 09:31 PM
Vika is obviously much more talented player, she's just not blessed with calm attitude and mental strenght unfortunately...this huge weakness cost her plenty of big wins and titles so far - let's see if she's capable of overcoming her frailties
I think to my mind you need carachter when you want to impose yourself more often than not in very big events but the thing is and differently from girls like Safina or Serena well Vika lets that overtake her causes of blow offs. This year she's much more controlled and positive.

Because everytime she plays a Slam QF, she destroys the top player she's facing in the 1st set and manage to drop to a I'm-a-75-years-old-grandma level after that.
That's not a problem of mental but of consistency and Vika used to lack in that domain starting brillantly but uncapable of maintaining the level throughout the match but things are changing and she recognizes herself that she has become a more tougher of an opponent.

Both of them play better when not playing a big match. That is true for most of the tour.
I have to disagree on that 2 out of 3 matches Vika played this year she played exceptionnal tennis and if it wasn't for the Williams she would have had Dubaï and maybe a first semis in the OZ. In the big matches Vika does be present RG 2009 against Safina, YEC against Radwanska or even against Wozniacki but the problem is she's only present for the first set then often looses her concentration to finally lose... well she's learning !

Tennisstar86
Mar 21st, 2010, 10:19 PM
Perception has something to do with it. Wozniacki has been in a slam final, so that is a huge plus for her. But legends are made by beating the Williams sisters. Azarenka is 1-6 against them, but 4 of the meetings were at a slam(3 AO, 1 Wimby), plus the Olympics and Azarenka lost them all. The only win was Miami. On the other hand, Wozniacki is 0-6 vs the Williams sisters and has never faced them in a slam.

thats even worse though, especially with Serena since she only shows up at the slams...

edificio
Mar 21st, 2010, 10:44 PM
Because she loses matches she should win?

Nothing tests your mentality more than playing on the bigstage for a big title. Vika actually managed to win a huge title like Miami and played really well against Venus in the dubai Final. Where as Caro has lost all the three big finals that she has played, and apart from the first set in USO Final, she hasnt managed to make any impression at all.


She won in Miami because Serena was injured. She did play well against Venus in Dubai, but I never felt she was going to win.

TennisFan66
Mar 21st, 2010, 10:53 PM
The tournament where Vika played her heart out but fell short when the 5 time champion raised her game to levels not many can reach? Caro couldnt even keep up with Na Li

If you are only interested in hearing your own opinion confirmed, why do you even bother to ask a question?

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 21st, 2010, 10:57 PM
because she is

duhcity
Mar 21st, 2010, 11:04 PM
Doha YEC. Vika's match against Aga.

Serena y Monica
Mar 21st, 2010, 11:53 PM
Mental toughness is a matter of doing what you're trying to do. Wozniacki doesn't go off the rails as often as Azarenka.

BTW, Wozniacki does, against most players, do a lot more than just hit the back. Against light hitters (like herself) Wozniacki has a very varied game. She's fun to watch. Against erratic big hitters, she wins easily because they make a lot of errors. Her problem is that when she's up against the fastest of the hard hitters. She can't get into her offense, cause the ball is going too fast. But she doesn't fail to execute. What she's trying to do just isn't good enough sometimes.

Azarenka fails to execute. Look at her loss in this tournament.


Huh? How would you classify Jelena...this match should have been close at least...so I'd say she failed to execute.

Corswandt
Mar 22nd, 2010, 01:19 AM
Azarenka has less luck

That is all the difference between Wozniacki and Azarenka

Bolded part quite true. Apart from playing an injured Serena at last year's Miami final, Azarenka hasn't had that many lucky breaks in her career.

Volcana
Mar 22nd, 2010, 02:26 AM
Huh? How would you classify Jelena...this match should have been close at least...so I'd say she failed to execute.No. It's the flaw in the style. Wozniacki, in this way, is exactly like Hingis. She needs TIME to execute her offense. (Her offense isn't nearly as diverse or extensive as Hingis', of course.) And her defense is passive. Push her to the edge, all she can so is get the ball back.

Thing is, Wozniacki doesn't generate pace. Jankovic does. Not Venus-pace, but pace. So Jankovic can take Wozniacki out of her offense. Wozniacki can't take Jankovic out of her offense. If you check the scoring thread, I was say late inthe first set, that Wozniacki needed to start hitting short angles up the line. By the second set, the TV commentators were saying that too. Because that was the only way to pull Jankovic far enough off the court, for Wozniacki to hit a winner on a player that fast.

Wozniacki didn't fail to execute. She's a limited player. She has to get risk-averse players with foot speed WAY off the court to hit a winner, cause she doesn't generate pace. That's hard to do if you're risk averse yourself.

She didn't fail to execute. What she CHOSE to execute failed.