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SAISAI-GOAT
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:08 AM
this if the future of the WTA :bigwave:

I think Caro will defeat Aga after hitting 4 winners in 3 sets :dance:

tonybotz
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:09 AM
Caro ( i just play tennis, i'm not a mindless basher) Wozniacki's reign begins!!

is1531
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:10 AM
She it 15 winners tonight against Zheng and won.

Edinboro
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:12 AM
15 winners?! Damn I was one too many. :(

Anyways I think Radwanska will win this but honestly it will come down to two things. One, the better pusher, and two who attacks second serves better.

So either Radwasnka in 2 or Caroline in 3.

Hayato
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:12 AM
She it 15 winners tonight against Zheng and won.

It's strange how everyone is obsessed with this statistic of her matches. Heaven forbid anyone should compare how many errors she makes compared to her opponents.

Roookie
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:13 AM
Could go either way....but i'm thinking Caro in 3.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:14 AM
Best pusher in the business , Wozniacki in two sets

Rafito.
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:14 AM
Hopefully Caroline, She is the better pusher. She should take it in straight sets.

sakya23
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:14 AM
caro in 2

égalité
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:15 AM
aga in 2 :worship:

DragonFlame
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:17 AM
Caroline will outpush radwanska. This is a totally different playing style aga'll be up against and i think she'll fail horribly.

Anyway, funny match. I don't really care who wins, but it would be funny if we got a jelena-caro final. :lol:

Mlle Bruni
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:17 AM
I dont really care but Aga in 3 I'd say.

is1531
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:19 AM
In fact she beat Zheng even though Zheng knew Wozniacki hits over 90% of her two hand backhands crosscourt. If Wozniacki ever changes those percentages she could add 7-8 winners a match. When Pennetta hits a two hand backhand you never know which direction she is going to hit her backhand. Zheng knew the trend and still lost,lol.

When Justin Hennin showed Zheng no trends at the Australian Semifinals, she turned Zheng into duck soup.

Now we we get the SLEEPER MATCH tomorrow between Wozniacki and Radwanska. Both players get 150,000 for showing up and the winner gets 350,000 to move on to the finals.:bounce:

kman
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:19 AM
I actually think Radwanska will take it. She's just a bad stylistic match-up for Caroline.

Both players should be happy with their performance this tournament either way.

kman
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:22 AM
When Justin Hennin showed Zheng no trends at the Australian Semifinals, she turned Zheng into duck soup.


Funny because once Wozniacki returned to her more hardcore "pushing" in the third set, Zheng turned into duck soup there too eating a breadstick :lol:

There's also the diverse and versatile Clijsters losing 6-0 6-1 recently to Petrova whom Caroline bagelled out of Indian Wells yesterday.

It's not so simple. Zheng was under a lot more pressure than she's used to in the AO SF as well.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:23 AM
I actually think Radwanska will take it. She's just a bad stylistic match-up for Caroline.

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Similar (boring) games . Caroline can hit harder if she wants (almost never) and has a better serve
I don´t see how the lesser pusher can take the win

Broken Racquet
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:11 AM
It will be a long match between similar players who know each other very well, but Caro will prevail as more feisty one.

pav
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:20 AM
Buggered if I know, would be easy to say Caro, but Aga is very deceiving and can be underated, so I'll just keep sitting on the fence. Don't think either of these two's games are boring

adner
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:22 AM
This is the best matchup of 2010 so far(for me)! I've always wanted to see their match and honestly I can't imagine what it would look like. I will look forward to seeing it so much!

Gdsimmons
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:28 AM
Im thinking Radwanska could totally win this match. I think its going to three sets and whoever pushes her way further, is going to win. My heart says Radwanksa but logic is telling me Wozniacki

Svetlana)))
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:33 AM
Comeon Aga Rad, the lesser of two evils!

Lord Choc Ice
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:42 AM
Could be quite a big mental battle here. I say Caro 6-4, 3-6, 7-5.

tim2502
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:29 AM
Aga in 2.

Certinfy
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:32 AM
Come on Aga! :)

Cookie Power
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Aga will win. Wozniacki doesn't deserve to be in the final.

Noctis
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:55 AM
Funny because once Wozniacki returned to her more hardcore "pushing" in the third set, Zheng turned into duck soup there too eating a breadstick :lol:

There's also the diverse and versatile Clijsters losing 6-0 6-1 recently to Petrova whom Caroline bagelled out of Indian Wells yesterday.

It's not so simple. Zheng was under a lot more pressure than she's used to in the AO SF as well.

Don't even try Comparing Wozzy to any other people. I am still what somehow shocked she only hit 3 winners in a GS match

Jajaloo
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:01 AM
I wanna push you around, well I will, well I will. I wanna push you down, well
I will, well I will.

donniedarkofan
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:05 AM
Similar (boring) games . Caroline can hit harder if she wants (almost never) and has a better serve
I don´t see how the lesser pusher can take the win

Similiar games? I mean REALLY? Sorry to say that but you have no clue about tennis. Wozniacki is a typical pusher(and it's not a bad thing), strong fit, fast, returning all the balls. Radwanska is a counter puncher with lots of good shots in her tennis book. She can hit shots that Wozniacki can only dream of-volleys, drop shots, one handed backhand smash. Of course, there are times when Aga is pushing, sure, but it's not like she's playing that way all the time. She push against some players but most the time she's just mixing things up plus she's really not fit enough to afford Wozniacki's style. She's smaller, thinner and not that fast as Wozniacki. If someone got a similiar game to Wozniacki it's Sanchez Vicario, not Radwanska.

Plus i really think that Caroline will beat Agnieszka, easily.

angliru
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:01 AM
The winner takes it all...

Some stats: It's 1-1 head to head, and in their previous two matches the winner has also won the tournament (Stockholm on both occasions)!

I hope Caro will win this.

WhoAmI?
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:01 AM
They're h2h record is 1-1, both times the winning score was 6-4 6-1 :lol:

I've been looking forward to this match also:hearts:, even I'm not fond of either of them.

KatChr
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:03 AM
I must agree with donniedarkofan! They do have games that very different! Radwanska is trying to mix it up and play kind a like Hingis - however she is not nearly as succesfull at it. Whenever it really works thats when she has her big wins!
Caro on the otherhand is waiting a littel more for the opportunity - players just isnt that ball-secure anymore and therefore misses. Its not like Caro cant hit a winner. When they are too short she puts them away, she does go for her backhand and so on...
For me the way she played at SE was perfect! A little more initiative and shell be hard to beat!

So I predict that Caro will take it in two sets... Though first set and then run Aga over in the second!

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:07 AM
Wozniacki will demolish the less capable pusher.

Malva
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:13 AM
I must agree with the last post! They do have games that very different! Radwanska is trying to mix it up and play kind a like Hingis - however she is not nearly as succesfull at it. Whenever it really works thats when she has her big wins!
Caro on the otherhand is waiting a littel more for the opportunity - players just isnt that ball-secure anymore and therefore misses. Its not like Caro cant hit a winner. When they are too short she puts them away, she does go for her backhand and so on...
For me the way she played at SE was perfect! A little more initiative and shell be hard to beat!

Thank you for making these eminently sensible observations. What you are saying should be obvious to anybody except those who are blinded by hatred.

olivero
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Voted Aga but I'm affraid it could be Caro. Jie would definitely be a better opponent for Agnieszka.

Oh well, do your best Aga! Good luck!

Kworb
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Aga can win this if she constructs the points and doesn't try to play Caro's game.

The Witch-king
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:18 AM
Caro!!! The second best tennis player IN THE WORLD will win obviously.

AnywhereButHome
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:18 AM
Aga in 2!!! Good luck Aga! :)

madmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:19 AM
hmmm...which one outpushes the other? Could care less, won't be watching anyway

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:19 AM
Bookmakers seem to see the match being fairly hard to call with Caroline priced at 8/11 and Radwanska priced at evs. I think that is about right too. Honestly I can see either player winning although I don't necessarily see the match being a close one. I wouldn't be that surprised to see either player get on top of the other and stay there.

Key for Radwanska will be discipline. She will need to create openings through her more creative shotmaking but can't try to be finishing points too quickly and going for rash winners. When Wozniacki has her opponents at that level of desparation, as she so often does, she has them beat. Radwanska is going to need to be very resolute and strong in this match and make very few careless errors. At the same time when she does create an opening she will need to finish the point off, not always easy against Wozniacki.

For Wozniacki the key will be simply to stay true to her game. Radwanska will be hitting with a lot more varieties of pace and spin than will Wozniacki and Wozniacki will need to maintain her rhythm and timing throughout. I can't see Wozniacki ever losing patience and I don't see any danger that she will start going for foolish winners but if Radwanska can mess with Wozniacki's timing there is a distinct possibility Radwanska could get a few more errors out of her than is normal. Obviously it is Wozniacki's job to see that does not happen.

So it looks a very even and intriguing contest to me and one that is likely to be won in the head rather than from any particular groundstroke. As a fan I am obviously hoping Radwanska wins this but I am fully aware this is a much tougher match up for her than any of her previous matches this tournament.

Viktymise
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:24 PM
This will be hilarious for all the wrong reasons.

There probably won't be a single out-right winner over the course of the match.

pwayne
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Caroline to buy Agnieszka dinner as she win in striaght sets.

laurie
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Some interesting replies here :lol:

I'm not a fan of either player or their games so I'm not bothered who wins.

Who do I think will win? No idea! I was impressed with Aga's defence against Bartoli the other day but neither player are renowned for trying to force the action - after all, they are playing on hardcourts and that's what hardcourt Tennis is supposed to be about.

Vlover
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:50 PM
this if the future of the WTA :bigwave:
How exciting! I can't wait to watch the future slam finals between these two.;)

2Black
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:50 PM
If this is the future of the WTA, I'll be sticking completely with the ATP ... This is one match that won't get a single second of my life. Not watching & whomever wins, wins :cool:

Ryan
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:15 PM
This match really interests me, unlike most people here it seems. :lol:


I really like both players, and I think their styles match up in an interesting way. Caro won't get nearly the amount of errors from Aga as she does from most opponents, and same goes for Aga too.

I think Aga needs to try and come to net a lot - Caro's passing shots aren't the best, and when her groundies go short Aga's got a great chance to come in.

Caro needs to serve well, attack Aga's serve, and hit with depth.

Should be interesting!

King Halep
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:21 PM
Hope it goes to 3 hours. Neither player wanting to take a risk.

hingisGOAT
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:24 PM
There is no way Radwanska's puff moonballs and "drop shots" that land on the service line (:tape:) are going to trouble Caro, pusher extraordinaire :hearts:. Wozniacki will not make the unforced error before Aga.

When two players like this play each other the result is sometimes brutal, I think for example Conchita Martinez OWNED Coetzer...

fouc
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:51 PM
I sent mail to wtatour.com explaing the rules of diminutives for polish names and they've changed Agi to Aga in their articles. I've changed the world :hearts:

I dunno about that one, but it's sure a match worth waiting for in IW

fouc
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:52 PM
There is no way Radwanska's puff moonballs and "drop shots"

are you seriously questioning Aga's drop shots?? :spit:

Monzanator
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:58 PM
Whoever wins this SF will win the tournament. With all the respect to other four remaining girls (well, maybe two since I don't think anybody thinks winner of Stosur/MJMS has a realistic chance of winning Indian Wells of all things :lol: ).

miffedmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:15 PM
I hope Caro. But it could be a tight match. Much as I am inclined to think Aga's fans exaggerate her abilities, she is definitely not a clone of Caro and it will be interesting to see if she can trouble the Syrup Queen.

I expect it to be tight at first, but one of them will get inside the other's heads--either Aga's drops and volleys will throw Caro out of her relentless metronome like groundgame, or Aga's failure to disturb Caro will hurt Aga.

The key difference between Aga beating Dementieva and trying to beat Caro is that while Caro's weapons are less powerful than Lena's, Caro will wait...and wait...and wait... until she gets the right chance to use them. Lena was going for too much too soon and took herself out of too many points. Caro won't do Aga that favor.

My guess is a close set or sets, then Caro blows it open in the decider. IF she can establish a rythm.

Aga can win this if she keeps Caro on her heels, but that's going to be a tall order with her weak serve. Not impossible though. But Caro's backhand is way underestimated as a killshot and will be the only killshot oncourt.

moby
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:19 PM
I find this match strangely fascinating. It will be like listening to paint dry.

Caro is the heavy favourite. Someone who can barely take games off Schiavone won't survive her moonballs.
Aga's game mainly works against hard flat hitters, because she can easily "block" the balls with her poke-swings or scoop-retrievals. (e.g. Bartoli, Demented)
It can work against impatient players with terrible shot selection, because her "variety" upsets their rhythm. (e.g. Kuznetsova, Demented)

Caro is neither of those. Radwanska will struggle to do anything with the incessant topspin bouncing above shoulder height, given her groundstroke technique.

The_roof
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:25 PM
I hope Aga in 3

Nicolás89
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:28 PM
Brilliant match up I'm gotta go with Caro. :) I wish I could see this live. :(

Mahon_Lorcan
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:08 PM
I hope Aga:) She is having fantastic form, now;) Good luck Polish girl:)

The best way: 2 sets:) Aga!

aguy9797
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:23 PM
looking forward to seeinig this one. I hope Aga is going to serve well, she showed she I capable during the first set against Marion

aggressive Aga > Caroline
passive Aga < Caroline

Break My Rapture
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:25 PM
Hopefully Aga. :hearts:

VasVas
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:31 PM
I like both girls, but on this i'll go with Aga..

Caro stayed on court a lot more than Aga and Aga can resist her defensive style with some clever shot-making..

Cosantoir
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:02 PM
I can't see Radwanska being troubled by anything Wozniacki throws at her. On the other hand, I can formulate a process in my head where Radwanska can win in straight sets.

C. W. Fields
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:07 PM
I think Aga will stay back at first, but Caro is a tad more powerful and steady from the baseline and wins the 1st set. Aga then realises she needs to be more agressive after which the match can become either very exiting or a blowout (with Caro as the winner, that is). If the match goes to 3 sets Caro's harder tournament combined with the heat might become a factor.
Caro in 2 or Aga in 3.

homogenius
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:11 PM
Hope Radwanska will take this one.

Marionated
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:12 PM
I think and hope Radwanska will win.

dawid
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:17 PM
Please save the tour Aga! :o Wozniacki as #2 would be just a one big mistake

rnwerner
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:28 PM
This is really interesting match-up.
It will be a phenomenal match.
We are waiting for two years now for this match-up.
Could be a 3 hours - match...

BlackPanther.
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:34 PM
I want both to pass... :p

Aga in 3 :worship:
Caro :hug:

John.
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:36 PM
I think Aga takes this

Topspin2
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:36 PM
Aga in 2

King Halep
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:36 PM
If push comes to shove, I think Caro is just a bit better and will win in 3 sets. All the boxing she is doing will pay off in better stamina.

moby
Mar 19th, 2010, 01:50 AM
If push comes to shoveI lol-ed. :lol:

BTW, everyone claiming that Radwanska is going to use her amaze variety (which pretty much comes down to her overuse and abuse of the dropshot) to confound LaBorz, have you ever tried dropshotting off a moonball?

Stevecw
Mar 19th, 2010, 01:57 AM
Caro in 2, and look forward to seeing her at no 2 in rankings!! Just to piss off all her haters here ;)

edificio
Mar 19th, 2010, 01:57 AM
Woz is just more consistent and perhaps confident.

Chakvenus
Mar 19th, 2010, 03:32 AM
Go Agnieszka!!

delicatecutter
Mar 19th, 2010, 03:35 AM
Aga has a chance. I do think she will feel pressure to go for her shots more than she normally does, but we'll see. Caro is the one who almost lost to Vania King so I'm not sure she has the definitive edge.

Eduardo Oliveira
Mar 19th, 2010, 03:49 AM
Go Caro!!

Cosantoir
Mar 19th, 2010, 04:04 AM
I lol-ed. :lol:

BTW, everyone claiming that Radwanska is going to use her amaze variety (which pretty much comes down to her overuse and abuse of the dropshot) to confound LaBorz, have you ever tried dropshotting off a moonball?

I laughed too, don't worry.

To answer your question, if a retired multi-slam champion was able to do such an act why can't.....nevermind carry on.

C. W. Fields
Mar 19th, 2010, 07:25 AM
Funny fact; in their previous meetings the winner of the match went on to win the tournament. Pretty good chance of that happening here also. :)

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 19th, 2010, 11:10 AM
I lol-ed. :lol:

BTW, everyone claiming that Radwanska is going to use her amaze variety (which pretty much comes down to her overuse and abuse of the dropshot) to confound LaBorz, have you ever tried dropshotting off a moonball?

Err...no. Radwanska does hit with far more variety than does Wozniacki, and it is not just about the dropshot. Radwanska varies the pace and spin of her groundies far more than most players and certainly way way more than Wozniacki who hits in a very effective but undeniably metronomic manner.

dawid
Mar 19th, 2010, 11:34 AM
In the super tournament of Stockholm

I don't get why you spend so much time writing about Radwanska :o Get a life :wavey:

St.Sebastian
Mar 19th, 2010, 11:47 AM
I don't get why you spend so much time writing about Radwanska :o Get a life :wavey:
Haha, exactly my thought. Him and AnnaK forever.

Corswandt
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:10 PM
The Pusher Derby Badminton Special. I'm scared for anyone who dares say that they're looking forward to see this matchup repeated in GS finals in the future.

Considering how they've been playing so far, I actually think Radwanska is the favourite for this match. Both would be unable to hit through each other even at say the Paris GDF ice rink, let alone on this comically slow and high bouncing court, so the advantage on paper will go to the one who makes less needless errors.

If I could watch it, I'd probably end up rooting for Wozniacki, since a win from her would be so much better for the game - given her looks, personality and oncourt demeanour (even with that grating Groeneveldian "cmann" after random errors from her opponents she's been endulging in as of late), she's a player TV audiences and tournament goers (at least those who don't know a thing about tennis) can like, whereas the vile Radwanska is popular among Poletards, a handful of TF loons who get their kicks out of rooting for hated players, and nobody else.

Lord Choc Ice
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:37 PM
I wonder if there'll be like a 50 stroke rally in this match...

Svetlana)))
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:46 PM
I wonder if there'll be like a 50 stroke rally in this match...

Maybe even 100 :drool:

Btw, any stats guru can tell me what was the longest rally in a professional match?

PushniackiNeva#1
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:47 PM
Definitely not tennis.

Corswandt
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:54 PM
Definitely not tennis.

Username and post of the fucking decade.

PushniackiNeva#1
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:55 PM
Username and post of the fucking decade.

This is Demska, the poster of the fucking decade.

C. W. Fields
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:56 PM
Maybe even 100 :drool:

Btw, any stats guru can tell me what was the longest rally in a professional match?

643 shots and lasted 29 minutes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/sports/tennis/24tennis.html

stangtennis
Mar 19th, 2010, 01:00 PM
You kidding? I mean there is not a very big difference between the two, but I think Caro is the thinner one.
I Agree.
Urzula Radwanska is very slim and thinner than Caro, but her big sister Aga is abut the same as Caro.
Urzula is probably among the thinnest players on the WTA tour.
But Aga does appear thicker than she really is because of her big cheeks.

Caro in the foregorund, Urzula in the middle and Aga in the background:
http://img.interia.pl/sport/nimg/t/i/Gorace_wakacje_3671114.jpg


From left ot right Caro, Urzula and Aga (Caro has a slimmer waist than Aga. Aga's waist is as wide as her hips).
http://img.interia.pl/sport/nimg/f/3/Gorace_wakacje_3671116.jpg

Caro's ass and legs in front of Aga:
http://www.efakt.pl/m/Repozytorium.Obiekt.aspx/-580/-500/faktonline/633937109801041655.jpg

Wozniacki:
http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/eb/archive/00484/EXCLUSIVE___Carolin_484111f.jpg http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/eb/archive/00484/EXCLUSIVE___Carolin_484106f.jpg http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/eb/archive/00484/EXCLUSIVE___Carolin_484107f.jpg http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/eb/archive/00484/EXCLUSIVE___Carolin_484108f.jpg

olivero
Mar 19th, 2010, 01:09 PM
643 shots and lasted 29 minutes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/sports/tennis/24tennis.html
omg. that is just brutal :scared:

SAEKeithSerena
Mar 19th, 2010, 01:09 PM
go caroline.

TheAllan
Mar 19th, 2010, 03:08 PM
If I could watch it, I'd probably end up rooting for Wozniacki, since a win from her would be so much better for the game - given her looks, personality and oncourt demeanour (even with that grating Groeneveldian "cmann" after random errors from her opponents she's been endulging in as of late), she's a player TV audiences and tournament goers (at least those who don't know a thing about tennis) can like, whereas the vile Radwanska is popular among Poletards, a handful of TF loons who get their kicks out of rooting for hated players, and nobody else.
What pretentiousness. How are you an authority on who is hated? You are not seriously using this forum to gauge her popularity I hope. What we have here is a few posters constantly repeating the same tired points at every opportunity. Perhaps believing that if they rehash the same attention-seeking drivel often enough, it will somehow become true.

If we were to take this place as being just marginally representative of real-world opinions, one could even come away with the ridiculous impression that Ana Ivanovic is disliked by many. Even if you describe Agnieszka Radwanska as "vile" a thousand times, it will never say anything of consequence about her. Don't think this cynical, macho-posturing style impresses everyone.

delicatecutter
Mar 19th, 2010, 03:18 PM
The Pusher Derby Badminton Special. I'm scared for anyone who dares say that they're looking forward to see this matchup repeated in GS finals in the future.

Considering how they've been playing so far, I actually think Radwanska is the favourite for this match. Both would be unable to hit through each other even at say the Paris GDF ice rink, let alone on this comically slow and high bouncing court, so the advantage on paper will go to the one who makes less needless errors.

If I could watch it, I'd probably end up rooting for Wozniacki, since a win from her would be so much better for the game - given her looks, personality and oncourt demeanour (even with that grating Groeneveldian "cmann" after random errors from her opponents she's been endulging in as of late), she's a player TV audiences and tournament goers (at least those who don't know a thing about tennis) can like, whereas the vile Radwanska is popular among Poletards, a handful of TF loons who get their kicks out of rooting for hated players, and nobody else.

I fall into none of these categories, but thanks for playing. :wavey:

Corswandt
Mar 19th, 2010, 03:58 PM
What pretentiousness. How are you an authority on who is hated? You are not seriously using this forum to gauge her popularity I hope. What we have here is a few posters constantly repeating the same tired points at every opportunity. Perhaps believing that if they rehash the same attention-seeking drivel often enough, it will somehow become true.

If we were to take this place as being just marginally representative of real-world opinions, one could even come away with the ridiculous impression that Ana Ivanovic is disliked by many. Even if you describe Agnieszka Radwanska as "vile" a thousand times, it will never say anything of consequence about her. Don't think this cynical, macho-posturing style impresses everyone.

The only "pretentious" thing in this whole thread is your own post. I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm not trying to attract anyone's attention, and I don't give a flying fuck what you or anybody else from TFs self-appointed aristocracy thinks about my posts, or if they find them "of consequence" or not. This is all just childish shit slinging between rival fanbases, and GM is one big romper room. If you see it as anything else, and if you care enough about it to grace us with some of your own purple prose, then that's your problem.

And if I had to choose between your self-righteous, pompous but ultimately vacuous verbosity and say the crass one-liner putdowns of MTF gamblers, guess what I'd take.

TheAllan
Mar 19th, 2010, 05:59 PM
The only "pretentious" thing in this whole thread is your own post. I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm not trying to attract anyone's attention, and I don't give a flying fuck what you or anybody else from TFs self-appointed aristocracy thinks about my posts, or if they find them "of consequence" or not. This is all just childish shit slinging between rival fanbases, and GM is one big romper room. If you see it as anything else, and if you care enough about it to grace us with some of your own purple prose, then that's your problem.
You are perfectly entitled not to care - though the raucous response would indicate otherwise. You can certainly be as acerbic as you want within the forum rules. But when you make statements that are pretty "out there", don't expect them to go past unnoticed. If your idea of wit is to call someone vile and describe her supporters as essentially nationalists and masochists, while maintaining that the consensus opinion of her oddly mirrors your own, then it's quite a feat to act personally insulted because you are challenged on the essence of what you write. Dish it, take it.

You call it "childish shit slinging" and compare this part of the forum to a romper room. That sounds like the YouTube comments - and what a glorious place that is. The kind of environment that produces trolls and sock puppets en masse. All screaming for attention. Being negative and disparaging doesn't take much wit. Especially if you are just endlessly employing variations over the same few pet themes.

And if I had to choose between your self-righteous, pompous but ultimately vacuous verbosity and say the crass one-liner putdowns of MTF gamblers, guess what I'd take.
Thanks for the endorsement. I was going to bring up aspects of MTF when I wrote "macho posturing", but you beat me to it.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 19th, 2010, 06:28 PM
The only "pretentious" thing in this whole thread is your own post. I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm not trying to attract anyone's attention, and I don't give a flying fuck what you or anybody else from TFs self-appointed aristocracy thinks about my posts, or if they find them "of consequence" or not. This is all just childish shit slinging between rival fanbases, and GM is one big romper room. If you see it as anything else, and if you care enough about it to grace us with some of your own purple prose, then that's your problem.

And if I had to choose between your self-righteous, pompous but ultimately vacuous verbosity and say the crass one-liner putdowns of MTF gamblers, guess what I'd take.

You, yourself, and no one else, Corswandt, is the most self-righteous, pretentious, sanctimonious, hypocritical, verbose, manipulative, dishonest poster on the entire forum and you simply can not take it when someone calls you up on it. You try to be both the five old kindergarten bully who will beat up anyone who disagrees with you and at the same time you try to place yourself as the forum's ultimate critic of what is right and wrong. As you would put it you can't have it both ways. The sad thing is you appear to not even allow yourself to be a fan of anyone probably because allowing yourself to be something as lowly as a fan would interfere with your sad sad need to be superior to all. It is very clear you have nothing but contempt for practically every tennis player in the game as well as the entire forum itself which you take a perverse, sick pleasure in manipulating. Thankfully some people do see through you.

Marcelo.
Mar 19th, 2010, 07:35 PM
Radwanska in 2 :D

Corswandt
Mar 19th, 2010, 08:14 PM
You are perfectly entitled not to care - though the raucous response would indicate otherwise. You can certainly be as acerbic as you want within the forum rules. But when you make statements that are pretty "out there", don't expect them to go past unnoticed. If your idea of wit is to call someone vile and describe her supporters as essentially nationalists and masochists, while maintaining that the consensus opinion of her oddly mirrors your own, then it's quite a feat to act personally insulted because you are challenged on the essence of what you write. Dish it, take it.

You call it "childish shit slinging" and compare this part of the forum to a romper room. That sounds like the YouTube comments - and what a glorious place that is. The kind of environment that produces trolls and sock puppets en masse. All screaming for attention. Being negative and disparaging doesn't take much wit. Especially if you are just endlessly employing variations over the same few pet themes.


Thanks for the endorsement. I was going to bring up aspects of MTF when I wrote "macho posturing", but you beat me to it.

I. I didn't complain that I was being insulted; I merely remarked that I disliked your tone, which I am entitled to do, just as you are entitled to dislike my own tone;
II. I don't know where you got the idea that I find myself immensely witty and original, or that I rate my own random putdowns as the Gospel;
III. Unlike TFs self-appointed aristocracy, I don't consider myself superior to anyone in here and don't rate myself as "too good for TF", contrary to what is implied in post #98 above;
IV. This should be very much self-evident: if I didn't want to get any stick (if I was unable to "take it"), I wouldn't say anything controversial and most certainly wouldn't talk shit about every single player and their dog all the time like I do; I know that some people will feel compelled to raise in a howl against the barbarity of myself and other GM meanies, and - I repeat - I don't care, and I also don't care that some people seem to care;
V. I am entitled not to care because, for all the shit I talk, I make a conscious effort to avoid engaging in ad hominem attacks such as those in post #98 above (and if I failed to do so in a few/some/many posts, I hereby apologize). Basically, you are entitled to be respected, but your favourite players certainly aren't;
VI. I didn't address the issue of Radwanska's popularity because that was never the point of your initial message, which was rather to show that you find me to be crass, arrogant and full of shit. Which, again, is a view that you're entitled to have;
VII. "Masochists" - I think you're confusing me with somebody else here;
VIII. Macho posturing >>>>>>> sanctimonious posturing.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 19th, 2010, 08:19 PM
I fall into none of these categories, but thanks for playing. :wavey:

Only ultimate faves count
Radwasnka is like your fave number 100

Brena
Mar 19th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Agnieszka in 2.

jack daniels
Mar 20th, 2010, 12:55 AM
Caro

Gdsimmons
Mar 20th, 2010, 12:58 AM
Radwanksa needs to win.

fantic
Mar 20th, 2010, 01:15 AM
Yesterday's QF two games and today's first SF was really a low quality.

No wonder everybody laments the demise of the league :lol:

Hope this match saves WTA.

Bring it on, ladies! :lol:

KamilZ
Mar 20th, 2010, 01:34 AM
i don't wanna see this match, but i think Caro will win in 3 sets....

Dawson.
Mar 20th, 2010, 01:46 AM
The crafty pusher FTW. Then she'll lose to the boarder line pusher/counter puncher in the final.

fouc
Mar 20th, 2010, 02:51 AM
40 minutes to go :yawn:

kiwifan
Mar 20th, 2010, 04:05 AM
:sad: moonballs :sad:

Hayato
Mar 20th, 2010, 04:20 AM
Just as I expected, Caro is cruising. :)

Mynarco
Mar 20th, 2010, 04:23 AM
How can aga beat Lena D :oo

thegreendestiny
Mar 20th, 2010, 04:32 AM
OMG they're like pushing each other. :o

Spectators must be very sleepy.

King Halep
Mar 20th, 2010, 05:04 AM
Caro's outfit is not very flattering, the cut makes her look lumpy. Is that the best Stella can do?

Langers
Mar 20th, 2010, 05:13 AM
All Stella outfits are horrendous, that's why I was shattered when a young hottie like Caro decided to sign with them. :o

kman
Mar 20th, 2010, 06:25 AM
Caro's outfit looks a bit tacky and made of something too soft (can see her whole bra right through it...

That's a bad thing? :lick:

DemWilliamsGulls
Mar 20th, 2010, 09:30 PM
Wow this is the future of the WTA...im worried! but anyway..I'll say that Wozniaki will take it...

TheAllan
Mar 20th, 2010, 09:59 PM
I. I didn't complain that I was being insulted; I merely remarked that I disliked your tone, which I am entitled to do, just as you are entitled to dislike my own tone;
Fair enough.

II. I don't know where you got the idea that I find myself immensely witty and original, or that I rate my own random putdowns as the Gospel;
I don't believe that you have claimed to be. I was arguing against negative "putdowns" on more general grounds as I often find them to be dull, cheap and repetitive, devoid of any comedic value whatsoever - except sometimes at the poster's own expense. That's not to say they can't be funny - much humour is after all based on common notions and stereotypes. But at this stage, the next "Bartoli is fat"-joke will sound as dated as a Monica Lewinsky gag.

What I did take offence to was your branding of Radwanska as a "hated" player by your own extrapolations - while also thinking it appropriate to call her "vile". I may be mistaken, but I think you have referred to her as a "non-entity" as well. Yes, it may all be in jest, and perhaps you classify it as par for the course sports trash talk to yourself, but it does come across as utterly arrogant to me. Whether you give a rat's hindquarters or not.

Addressing that type of crude statements has nothing to do with being sanctimonious or belonging to some alleged aristocracy.

VII. "Masochists" - I think you're confusing me with somebody else here;
Should have made it more clear, but I was referring to your classification of Radwanska fans.

Corswandt
Mar 23rd, 2010, 01:48 PM
Addressing that type of crude statements has nothing to do with being sanctimonious or belonging to some alleged aristocracy.

I suspect it has more to do with feeling underappreciated.

And now some soul searching. What do you enjoy the most?

a) tennis
b) trying to score points off internet message board trolls