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youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Elena :smash:

SAISAI-GOAT
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Lena :help: :sobbing: :tape:

Vaidisova
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Great job Aga!

TTomek
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
so happy!!!!

apart from few points it was a pretty bad match!

Willam
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
And Wozniacki is the pusher? :haha:

goldenlox
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Lena played like a multi-millionaire player who did not want to fight thru long points.
A typical WTA match.

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW :eek:

Break My Rapture
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Aga. :hearts:

VIKA?
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Aga is on fire:hearts: keep it up:yeah:

kwilliams
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Great match from Radwanska. She deserved the win!

Rafito.
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Wow, Well done Aga!

This is the best possible draw for Wozniacki now, Hope she takes advantage of it.

Aaric
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Unstoppable :bowdown:

Vee Williams
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
so happy!!!!

apart from few points it was a pretty bad match!

I don't think it was a bad match. Elena didn't know what to do with half of the balls coming her way and Aga was smart enough to mix things up throughout the entire match.

jefrilibra
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
:haha:

speechless!

TTomek
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Aga won 66 points, 48 of them got from Elena :help:

Andreas
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
48 unforced errors in 2 sets? :tape: You should be ashamed, Elena :o

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
so happy!!!!

apart from few points it was a pretty bad match!

I saw one great rally :hearts:

Lucemferre
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Russian killer Radwanska at it again :lol:

Viktymise
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:43 PM
Another one of those horrible matches where Ratwanska brings the opponent down to her own god-awful level. Seriously, people enjoy this form of masochism? :o

-NAJ-
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
She is back!! Miami next?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5914/image03172126tv32.jpg

Joe.
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
well. u really just have to laugh :lol:

Wiggly
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
If Dementieva thinks her bets shot at beating Radwanska is to slice her backhand, she needs a psy.

delicatecutter
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
So proud of you Aga! :hearts: Keep it going in the SF!!

Dexter
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
:banana:
Thanks to German ES, I couldn't watch it as they were broadcasting handball (yes, Corswandt I know it, it was much more valuable than Ratwanska's match), but since the result is correct, I don't mind. Go for the final! :cool:

Slutati
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Congrats, Vera. You raised an idiot.
LMAO at Elena. She can't even win Indian Wells and she dreams of slams. :hysteric:

Elwin.
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
48 UE's.
Says it all :bigwave:

Elenarulez
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
what was that from elena? rofl

Michael!
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM
4-6 3-6 against Radwanska is bad :o
55% pts won on 1st serve is bad :o
2/8 BP´s is bad :o

Anything good today? :o
But no surprise, she always has problems to beat players like Radwanska, Wozniacki or Jankovic, rarely plays good matches against such players!

IW is so boring already :yawn:
Can´t wait for Miami!

SoClose
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Well done AGA! Win this tournament!!!! :)

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Congrats, Vera. You raised an idiot.
LMAO at Elena. She can't even win Indian Wells and she dreams of slams. :hysteric:

Not everyone can be GOATvera :( :( :(

Aravanecaravan
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Lena played like a multi-millionaire player who did not want to fight thru long points.
A typical WTA match.

Yes, that's the way I thought Aravane played against Dementieva yesterday.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:45 PM
:banana:

Aga planted her seeds in Dementieva's head at the start of the match. It took them a while to bloom, but once they did it completely took over Dementieva's brain.

Such clever play and always making Dementieva pressure herself into hitting a bigger shot. Some great cat and mouse rallies and amazing gets from Aga.

I hope she wins the title!

hingisGOAT
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Horrible match. People complain about Wozniacki, they must have never seen Radwanksa play. She puffs every shot back at like 50 mph, hell even her volleys are limp-wristed :tape:

SoClose
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:45 PM
She is back!! Miami next?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5914/image03172126tv32.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Aga :woohoo: SF in Indian Wells :bowdown:
Bye Errorlena :bigwave::drool:

дalex
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Lena did amazing job failing to return Aga's 60-70 MPH serves. :bowdown:

allrounder
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Well done Aga :worship: GL in the SF's

Lena :help: so many stupid errors

Lucemferre
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:47 PM
She is back!! Miami next?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5914/image03172126tv32.jpg

:haha::haha:

adner
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:47 PM
Horrible match. People complain about Wozniacki, they must have never seen Radwanksa play. She puffs every shot back at like 50 mph, hell even her volleys are limp-wristed :tape:

That's the way the volleys should be played, you tennis master :lol:

jefrilibra
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:47 PM
She can return Serena's lighting serves but she cant do damage to Aga's?

:rolls:

Someone plz call the wambulance!

kaktusino
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Overpowered? You mean overpushed?

trufanjay
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:48 PM
what is wrong with the top players in this tournament? :lol:

LoLex
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:48 PM
She is back!! Miami next?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5914/image03172126tv32.jpg

LMAO :spit:

Some of the rallies were funny but overall the match had pretty bad quality :o

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:49 PM
She can return Serena's lighting serves but she cant do damage to Aga's?

:rolls:

It's easier to return paced serves than a serve you need to wait for a minute for it to arrive :lol:

hingisGOAT
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:49 PM
That's the way the volleys should be played, you tennis master :lol:

...right :tape:

Blu€
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Shame on you Lena :o:(

matty
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:49 PM
confounded

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Retire from tennis Elena

You can not defeat weaponless players if your life depensds on it

adner
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:50 PM
what is wrong with the top players in this tournament? :lol:

Well, one is already in SFs ;)

Melange
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:51 PM
well done to Aga, she just have to keep pushing it back and wait for the error, Lena cant even get the ball over the net

Aryman3
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:51 PM
Dexter- you are the last person one would expect to write Aga's name in a haters manner
What happened to you?

Frozenn
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:52 PM
Congrats Aga :clap2:
Win the tournament please.:D

дalex
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:52 PM
what is wrong with the top players in this tournament? :lol:

Aga is a top player too. :lol:

Btw, A-Rad is the 5th seed. #6 is Jecalina. :hearts:

delicatecutter
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Well, one is already in SFs ;)

Preach it! :rocker:

Cosantoir
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Radwanska now has on her ranking,

Indian Wells SF+
Tokyo SF.
Beijing F.
Dubai SF.

Good thing she keeps losing early in every non Wimbledon slam. She might actually be Top 5.

Cosantoir
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:55 PM
Horrible match. People complain about Wozniacki, they must have never seen Radwanksa play. She puffs every shot back at like 50 mph, hell even her volleys are limp-wristed :tape:

Radwanska's volley technique is horrible. My goodness I would probably implode if someone applauded her forecourt ability. Her wrist is not rigid at all on contact and its a mere action of guiding the ball to where her opponent is not.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:55 PM
NEVER in doubt.

Dementieva came up with brilliant tactics trying to outpush Radwanska -- 90% her shots landed near the service line. It was basically a carbon copy of her Oudin match at the USO except back then Melanie actually jumped on Lena's puffballs and was producing winners off them whereas Radwanska refused to do anything on the court once again.

P.S.
That point Lena lost at 4-6 1-2 0/40 (or was it 0/30?) is the illustration of her whole career.

CoeXist
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Radwanska now has on her ranking,

Indian Wells SF+
Tokyo SF.
Beijing F.
Dubai SF.

Good thing she keeps losing early in every non Wimbledon slam. She might actually be Top 5.

just wait few months :]

Kim's_fan_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Dexter- you are the last person one would expect to write Aga's name in a haters manner
What happened to you?

You need to read his post one more time, you didn't understand it :unsure:

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:57 PM
And yet again I am left asking...why can't Elena play like this against Serena? :confused:

Cosantoir
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:58 PM
NEVER in doubt.

Dementieva came up with brilliant tactics trying to outpush Radwanska -- 90% her shots landed near the service line. It was basically a carbon copy of her Oudin match at the USO except back then Melanie actually jumped on Lena's puffballs and was producing winners off them whereas Radwanska refused to do anything on the court once again.

P.S.
That point Lena lost at 4-6 1-2 0/40 (or was it 0/30?) is the illustration of her whole career.

I actually thought in the second set Dementieva was trying to be aggressive. She kept setting up nice volley putaways with aggressive strokes from the back, but missed the overwhelming majority of them.

She kept going for aggressive returns, yet missed the overwhelming majority of them.

is1531
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:58 PM
What a boring match. It looked like Mugsy just put Dementieva to sleep. Mugsy gives you no pace. All we need is a semifinal with Mugsy vs Wozniacki, then we will have a match with 2 pushers going at it. It would be a real sleeper.Hopefully Zheng can do something to avoid this dreadful matchup. At least Radwanska and Dementieva drew 4 figures. My guess would be less than 2,000. which is pretty good for a WTA match,lol.By the way, it's for time Dementieva to change from her rodundant green dress and switch to red. It will make her blood flow better,lol.

delicatecutter
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:58 PM
And yet again I am left asking...why can't Elena play like this against Serena? :confused:

Serena wins all the important matches anyway. :lol:

kiwifan
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:58 PM
:(

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:00 PM
And yet again I am left asking...why can't Elena play like this against Serena? :confused:

Because Serena has a better level of performance. You know what they say, play a shitty player and you become even shittier.

itzhak
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:01 PM
I "love" how people takes one match and making it like the end of player career. Kuznetsova lost to CSN, so she is DONE; Henin lost to Dulko, so her cameback is FAILURE; Sharapova lost to Zheng, so she is LOST CASE; Clijsters lost to Kleybanova, so she SHOULD BACK TO JADA; Dementieva lost to Radwanska, so she shout RETIRE soon.

Nina.
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Lena :rolleyes:

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:02 PM
Because Serena has a better level of performance. You know what they say, play a shitty player and you become even shittier.

Some people say that...but if it were actually true, no good players would win...ever...:shrug:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Serena wins all the important matches anyway. :lol:

It doesn matter , even losing she plays way better than the sorry ass tennis brought vs those lame pushers like Radwanska

Against every all time great of her era (except Venus) , Elena plays well. Obviously Elena can not beat them most of the time , but the tennis she brings is good

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Serena wins all the important matches anyway. :lol:

Oh yeah, Im not angry with Elena. I just find her utterly bizarre. :lol:

Gdsimmons
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Elena, Elena, Elena. Tisk Tisk

hankqq
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Agnieszka :yeah: :hearts:
As we've seen in their other matches, Radwanska just knows how to make Dementieva feel uncomfortable during points. She doesn't allow Elena to get into any kind of rhythm.

Dexter
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Dexter- you are the last person one would expect to write Aga's name in a haters manner
What happened to you?Gosh, you're really shortsighted if you didn't get what I meant. :lol:

itzhak
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:04 PM
I "love" how people takes one match and making it like the end of player career. Kuznetsova lost to CSN, so she is DONE; Henin lost to Dulko, so her cameback is FAILURE; Sharapova lost to Zheng, so she is LOST CASE; Clijsters lost to Kleybanova, so she SHOULD BACK TO JADA; Dementieva lost to Radwanska, so she should RETIRE soon.

cn ireland
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Elena:(!

Well played Aga though

A'DAM
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Because Serena has a better level of performance. You know what they say, play a shitty player and you become even shittier.

:rolleyes:

Aryman3
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Next time use " " in such situation

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Some people say that...but if it were actually true, no good players would win...ever...:shrug:

Not all the time, and not all players are prone to it. It depends on various factors.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:07 PM
I "love" how people takes one match and making it like the end of player career. Kuznetsova lost to CSN, so she is DONE; Henin lost to Dulko, so her cameback is FAILURE; Sharapova lost to Zheng, so she is LOST CASE; Clijsters lost to Kleybanova, so she SHOULD BACK TO JADA; Dementieva lost to Radwanska, so she shout RETIRE soon.

Elena is done . The sooner you accept it , the better

miffedmax
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:08 PM
A lamentably predictable outcome. I'm still shocked at how many people said she'd win this, given that Lena had a losing h2h against Aga and really seems to not care a great deal about IW.

Even in some of her pre-tournament interviews she was carping about the schedule.

I'm not trying to take too much away from Aga, who has a game that's tailor-made to beat Lena (see JJ and Caro). But Lena can beat Aga. It's just not going to be at Indian Wells. Not in 1,000,000 years.

Chakvenus
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:09 PM
yay Aga!
not an amazing match to watch, but you were solid when you needed to be.
PLEASE beat either wozniacki or jie (hopefully jie)!!!!!!

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:10 PM
I actually thought in the second set Dementieva was trying to be aggressive. She kept setting up nice volley putaways with aggressive strokes from the back, but missed the overwhelming majority of them.

She kept going for aggressive returns, yet missed the overwhelming majority of them.

Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.

Btw, that game exposed Radwanska's "smart play". Once her opponent decides to go for one's shots, Radwanska could only helplessly push them back and pray to Satan the other player committs a horrific error. She doesn't even think of trying to come up with a counterattack, so much for her "variety".

Dexter
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:11 PM
Next time use " " in such situationI'll ask for your permission too, will that be enough to please you?

SAISAI-GOAT
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:13 PM
looks like Aga will be seeded in the top 8 for RG and Wimbledon :spit:

delicatecutter
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:15 PM
looks like Aga will be seeded in the top 8 for RG and Wimbledon :spit:

:banana: I think she could win Wimbledon once the Williams sister retire.

GO GENERATION SUCK! (except for Caro)

Ellen Dawson
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:15 PM
:tape::help::sad::banghead::sobbing:

Melange
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:16 PM
I "love" how people takes one match and making it like the end of player career. Kuznetsova lost to CSN, so she is DONE; Henin lost to Dulko, so her cameback is FAILURE; Sharapova lost to Zheng, so she is LOST CASE; Clijsters lost to Kleybanova, so she SHOULD BACK TO JADA; Dementieva lost to Radwanska, so she should RETIRE soon.

:wavey: sums things up well

SAISAI-GOAT
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Well, one is already in SFs ;)

nice joke :p

Thkmra
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:18 PM
:banana::banana::lol::lol: This tournament just keeps getting better, and better!!:help:

Malva
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:18 PM
As we've seen in their other matches, Radwanska just knows how to make Dementieva feel uncomfortable during points. She doesn't allow Elena to get into any kind of rhythm.

Well said. And even when Elena is at her best (vide their previous encounter in the Fall 2009), Agnieszka has ability to match Elena's groundstrokes with her cat-and-mouse tactic, shot variety, great hands. And Elena knows that.

Power is not all. Otherwise David would never defeat Goliath.

Bayo
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Wow! I love me some bitchy Agnieszka Radwanska. Great win for her in a larger tournament!

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.

Btw, that game exposed Radwanska's "smart play". Once her opponent decides to go for one's shots, Radwanska could only helplessly push them back and pray to Satan the other player committs a horrific error. She doesn't even think of trying to come up with a counterattack, so much for her "variety".

:haha: :haha: :devil:

is1531
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Fifteen minutes after Radwankska and Dementieva left the court, the attendance went from less than 2,000 to a filled stadium of 16,000 to watch Nadal vs Isner. I think the men should put in for a salary increase.

Cosantoir
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:22 PM
Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.

Btw, that game exposed Radwanska's "smart play". Once her opponent decides to go for one's shots, Radwanska could only helplessly push them back and pray to Satan the other player committs a horrific error. She doesn't even think of trying to come up with a counterattack, so much for her "variety".

The point that eclipsed the whole match was in the second set. I forget which game. Dementieva returned a Radwanska second serve on the ad-court with an aggressive inside-out forehand. She then proceeded to hit two more aggressive inside-out forehands from within mid-court. Radwanska got them both back and then was finally able to get the ball to Elena's backhand, immediately winning the point.

Elena hit so many severely slow second serve returns out on her backhand side. Radwanska was just directing traffic in the second set.

Serenita
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:23 PM
Thank you Aga:worship:

St.Sebastian
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:23 PM
Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.

Btw, that game exposed Radwanska's "smart play". Once her opponent decides to go for one's shots, Radwanska could only helplessly push them back and pray to Satan the other player committs a horrific error. She doesn't even think of trying to come up with a counterattack, so much for her "variety".
Like the two winners she hit down the line when Lena pushed her two meters out of the court with her power play?

Haters go away!
Well done Aga!

Eurosport commentators were amazed by Aga's play :yeah:

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:23 PM
Fifteen minutes after Radwankska and Dementieva left the court, the attendance went from less than 2,000 to a filled stadium of 16,000 to watch Nadal vs Isner. I think the men should put in for a salary increase.

Wow I'm impressed at your counting abilities. Even I'm not sure I could get to 14,000 in 15 mins.

Marionated
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:23 PM
Serena wins all the important matches anyway. :lol:

Olympics?

Terrible performance Failmentieva :o

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.


Another proof of Elena lack of tennis sense .
I remember that she was losing easily vs Wozniacki in Charleston last year 64 51 or 52 , in that moment Elena started to play aggresively and won 5 games in a row ripping winners left and right . Then she played the same passive shit and Woznaicki took the win

Vs Jankovic in Cincy , flawless second set hitting the ball hard , losing in the third set and back to the aggresive tennis that it worked , Jankovic only can see the winners of every colors pasing by her side. For some strange reason once the score is tied , Elena starts to play the same passive shit and allows Jankovic to dictate the game

Thkmra
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.

Btw, that game exposed Radwanska's "smart play". Once her opponent decides to go for one's shots, Radwanska could only helplessly push them back and pray to Satan the other player committs a horrific error. She doesn't even think of trying to come up with a counterattack, so much for her "variety".

:spit: Wow, you're really taking this badly I see!!

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:25 PM
Elena hit so many severely slow second serve returns out on her backhand side. Radwanska was just directing traffic in the second set.

Yes, this match actually highlighted how irregular and technically flawed Lena's backhand is.

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:26 PM
Wow I'm impressed at your counting abilities. Even I'm not sure I could get to 14,000 in 15 mins.

It's possible :lol:

alfonsojose
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:26 PM
She is back!! Miami next?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5914/image03172126tv32.jpg

:haha: :haha: foot fault :p

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:28 PM
It's possible :lol:

:spit: Could you just stop saying things :lol:

TeamUla
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:29 PM
http://video.eurosport.pl/tenis/wta-indian-wells/2010/radwanska-dementiewa_vid129799/video.shtml :eek: what a point!

youizahoe
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:30 PM
:spit: Could you just stop saying things :lol:

Well the sportpaleis fills in just 10 minutes if all entrances are open, which are like 6 :shrug:

miffedmax
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:31 PM
:banana:

Aga planted her seeds in Dementieva's head at the start of the match. It took them a while to bloom, but once they did it completely took over Dementieva's brain.

Such clever play and always making Dementieva pressure herself into hitting a bigger shot. Some great cat and mouse rallies and amazing gets from Aga.

I hope she wins the title!

It's hardly brilliant strategy to know you can beat Dementieva by not feeding her pace. I think Nastya Myskina figured that one out when they were what, six?

Lena's h2h against retrievers like Aga is atrocious, so it's not like Aga came up with some genius strategy to beat her. Yes, Aga deserves credit, but beating Dementieva hardly makes you the von Manstein of tennis.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:32 PM
:spit: Wow, you're really taking this badly I see!!

I'm not. The result was totally predictable just like Radwanska's game.
And do you really think somebody like Radwanska would pray to God instead? :tape:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:32 PM
http://video.eurosport.pl/tenis/wta-indian-wells/2010/radwanska-dementiewa_vid129799/video.shtml :eek: what a point!

Elena should have never lost that point
Instead of blasting the ball at the net, she played a soft ball into Radwanska's hand

SAISAI-GOAT
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:34 PM
http://video.eurosport.pl/tenis/wta-indian-wells/2010/radwanska-dementiewa_vid129799/video.shtml :eek: what a point!

Angel :bigwave:

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Lena played ONE game in an aggressive mood -- at 46 13 when she blew Radwanska off the court with four big returns backed up with four winners at the net. Other than that her shots lacked both pace and depth.

Btw, that game exposed Radwanska's "smart play". Once her opponent decides to go for one's shots, Radwanska could only helplessly push them back and pray to Satan the other player committs a horrific error. She doesn't even think of trying to come up with a counterattack, so much for her "variety".

Dementieva was going for her shots throughout most of the match, hence her 48 errors. It just so happens that in that one game you refer to her shots landed in for a change. As for lacking depth, fact of the matter is her shots often had too much depth sending them way past the baseline or into the tramlines. If there were periods when she did get a bit passive from time to time it was actually quite understandable as for the vast majority of the match she had very little control of the ball when she tried to be aggressive.

This idea that had she been more aggressive she would have won is ridiculous. She already made 48 errors. Had she attempted to hit the ball any harder that number would only have increased. Going for aggressive hard hit winners when you are in good control of your groundies is all good and fine, but when you don't it is a recipe for disaster. Quite simply, Elena was not playing well enough to beat Radwanska today regardless of what she did, very plainly it just wasn't happening for her. And yes I would be the first to acknowledge that while Aga had some really flashy outstanding points, overall she wasn't required to play terribly well. Had Aga been required to play better would she have? That is something we will never know. We do know that Elena was being required to play a lot better today than she was able to.

miffedmax
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:36 PM
Yes, this match actually highlighted how irregular and technically flawed Lena's backhand is.

Isn't there an old Nasty quote about that being the way to beat Lena?

Broken Racquet
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:36 PM
And do you really think somebody like Radwanska would pray to God instead? :tape:
There are certainly some dark forces involved here :eek::devil::devil::devil::devil:
:lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:36 PM
It's hardly brilliant strategy to know you can beat Dementieva by not feeding her pace. I think Nastya Myskina figured that one out when they were what, six?

Myskina always was an UE machine. She gave away enough points for Dementieva to capitalise on them, and Lena actually managed to do it quite often, especially on hardcourts. C'mon, their H2H is only 5-8 and not 1-12 or so.
What Myskina did the best was punishing Lena's backhand.

Costanza
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:37 PM
Dziękuję bardzo:hatoff:

miffedmax
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:39 PM
Dementieva was going for her shots throughout most of the match, hence her 48 errors. It just so happens that in that one game you refer to her shots landed in for a change. As for lacking depth, fact of the matter is her shots often had too much depth sending them way past the baseline or into the tramlines. If there were periods when she did get a bit passive from time to time it was actually quite understandable as for the vast majority of the match she had very little control of the ball when she tried to be aggressive.

This idea that had she been more aggressive she would have won is ridiculous. She already made 48 errors. Had she attempted to hit the ball any harder that number would only have increased. Going for aggressive hard hit winners when you are in good control of your groundies is all good and fine, but when you don't it is a recipe for disaster. Quite simply, Elena was not playing well enough to beat Radwanska today regardless of what she did, very plainly it just wasn't happening for her. And yes I would be the first to acknowledge that while Aga had some really flashy outstanding points, overall she wasn't required to play terribly well. Had Aga been required to play better would she have? That is something we will never know. We do know that Elena was being required to play a lot better today than she was able to.

There's smart aggressive, and there's stupid aggressive. Too often against the Agas, Caros and Jelena's of the world, Lena does the latter. It's hard to be patient and aggressive at the same time, but that's what you have to be against a retriever.

Ferg
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:39 PM
I really dont see how people compare Radwanska to Wozniacki.

TeamUla
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Angel :bigwave:

Hello sweetie. :inlove:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:41 PM
.

This idea that had she been more aggressive she would have won is ridiculous. She already made 48 errors. Had she attempted to hit the ball any harder that number would only have increased. Going for aggressive hard hit winners when you are in good control of your groundies is all good and fine, but when you don't it is a recipe for disaster

Explain me genius how Dementieva can beat Wozniacki 62 63 , Jankovic 60 in some sets that they have played each other .. I have the answer as I watched those matches: playing aggresively and going for her shots no matter what the other player can do

Those 48 errors from today were more dumb decisions than a supposed aggresive game. Broad balls , into the net , easy volley missed and even overhead shots

spriwi
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:41 PM
First of all - well played Agnieszka! She did exactly what she needed to :worship: She knows how to play against Elena.

To all the haters here: have you ever played some tennis? Do you know it's about making your opponent play bad, make errors etc? That's what Aga did today (apart from some really stupid errors from Elena while returning some poor 2nd serves). I can hardly listen to the tons of shit being said in this forum - about pushing, lackin variety etc etc... maybe that's the reason why I visit it more and more seldom...

delicatecutter
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:42 PM
I really dont see how people compare Radwanska to Wozniacki.

Me either. :shrug:

miffedmax
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:43 PM
Myskina always was an UE machine. She gave away enough points for Dementieva to capitalise on them, and Lena actually managed to do it quite often, especially on hardcourts. C'mon, their H2H is only 5-8 and not 1-12 or so.
What Myskina did the best was punishing Lena's backhand.

Yeah, but it's WHEN Nastya won. Lena's got a winning h2h vs. Caro, but it's still traumatic as hell for her fans to see the Great Danish Forehead lurking in Lena's part of a draw.

olivero
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:43 PM
Gotta love (most of) Elena fans. Just accept the loss and move on.

well done Agnieszka! SF in Indian Wells :bowdown: don't stop there!

Malva
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:44 PM
Dementieva was going for her shots throughout most of the match, hence her 48 errors. It just so happens that in that one game you refer to her shots landed in for a change. As for lacking depth, fact of the matter is her shots often had too much depth sending them way past the baseline or into the tramlines. If there were periods when she did get a bit passive from time to time it was actually quite understandable as for the vast majority of the match she had very little control of the ball when she tried to be aggressive.

This idea that had she been more aggressive she would have won is ridiculous. She already made 48 errors. Had she attempted to hit the ball any harder that number would only have increased. Going for aggressive hard hit winners when you are in good control of your groundies is all good and fine, but when you don't it is a recipe for disaster. Quite simply, Elena was not playing well enough to beat Radwanska today regardless of what she did, very plainly it just wasn't happening for her. And yes I would be the first to acknowledge that while Aga had some really flashy outstanding points, overall she wasn't required to play terribly well. Had Aga been required to play better would she have? That is something we will never know. We do know that Elena was being required to play a lot better today than she was able to.

In their previous encounters she demonstrated that she could. And Elena no doubt was aware of that too.

An exemplary analysis overall.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:44 PM
I really dont see how people compare Radwanska to Wozniacki.

Neither do I. Wozniacki is both a hardhitter and master tactician in comparison with Radwanska.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:44 PM
I really dont see how people compare Radwanska to Wozniacki.

I don´t get it either .
Both play a similar tennis , but the big diffrence is that if you are a horny man you enjoy a Woznaicki match :drool:

BlackPanther.
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:46 PM
:woohoo::woohoo:
Aga take the title! :hearts:

spriwi
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:48 PM
Neither do I. Wozniacki is both a hardhitter and master tactician in comparison with Radwanska.

That's just bullshit man :sad: I must start making some stats of the amount of idiocy you verbalise. That may be more tiring than all the stats you have prepared on this forum :eek:
regards!!

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:49 PM
Yeah, but it's WHEN Nastya won.

Ironically, Myskina won all four matches they played when BOTH were ranked top-10.
Lena is 1-4 vs top-10 Myskina but 4-4 vs non-top-10 Myskina.

AcesHigh
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:49 PM
Neither do I. Wozniacki is both a hardhitter and master tactician in comparison with Radwanska.

:spit:

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:51 PM
Explain me genius how Dementieva can beat Wozniacki 62 63 , Jankovic 60 in some sets that they have played each other .. I have the answer as I watched those matches: playing aggresively and going for her shots no matter what the other player can do

Those 48 errors from today were more dumb decisions than a supposed aggresive game. Broad balls , into the net , easy volley missed and even overhead shots

That is very easy to explain. Some days you have better control of your groundstrokes than others. Somedays it is right to be aggressive. Some days it is not right. It all depends on how good a feel you have for your groundies on the day. Today it was very clear Elena had very little feel at all. You can't always play your best tennis, and when it is clear you don't have your best tennis with you, you have to adapt. Elena wasn't able to do that either today.

olivero
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:53 PM
Neither do I. Wozniacki is both a hardhitter and master tactician in comparison with Radwanska.

I don´t get it either .
Both play a similar tennis , but the big diffrence is that if you are a horny man you enjoy a Woznaicki match :drool:

Look guys, we get it! You don't like her.
Cool.

Now stop wasting your time in this thread.

St.Sebastian
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Neither do I. Wozniacki is both a hardhitter and master tactician in comparison with Radwanska.
Oh my God, I found you funny before... Radwanska is no Serena, that's true.
But this is bordering on ridiculous. Get a life. Aga won the match, Lena hit 48 errors.

Thing is it's the winning that matters. For people like you Aga will always be a pusher, even in the first set against Bartoli when she hit more winners than Marion.

It's just a game! Get over it.

The Dawntreader
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:56 PM
Elena rarely overpowers her opponents nowadays. Her hitting is more measured, dare i say rigid. Unlike '04/05, she rarely changes direction explosively, and it allows players who rely on protracted, laborious rallies (radwanska) to trade, and trade successfully without any need for tactical examination. Dementieva creates a comfort zone for a lot of players of this ilk.

Radwanska is another of the emerging opportunists on tour. I didn't see a lot of this match, but again it was hardly a flairsome display. More along the lines of 'grind, until the cow falls over'. No offence to Dementieva of course:p

cordec
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:56 PM
Radwanska vs Dementieva H2H - 4:2 !
BTW, Aga hasn't lost a single set yet. Great job and GL against Caro/Jie :)

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:58 PM
In their previous encounters she demonstrated that she could. And Elena no doubt was aware of that too.

An exemplary analysis overall.

Absolutely true. But every day is different. I actually think Aga did have a lot in reserve today and had at least one or two levels in which she could have raised her game had she needed to. But that is just an assumption that can not be backed up, nothing more. What a player brings to the court varies on a daily basis, and there is no way of telling how much better Aga could have played today.

Eduardo Oliveira
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:10 PM
OMG :smash:
:sad:

Aga :yeah: :o

LegionArgentina
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:14 PM
Aga :yeah:

Roookie
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:14 PM
Great job Aga....Can't wait for her match against Caro hopefully :drool:

austennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:17 PM
Ohhh Lena why did you have to draw Aga? but i guess looking through the draw there was very few people id like you to draw - Caro ? NO, JJ? NO, Alisa, NOT ATM, Sammy maybe, so really Lena was never going to win this tournament

Bahu
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:21 PM
Wow! It was amazing Aga :bounce:

Smoothstuff
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:23 PM
Lena :hysteric:

Jane Lane
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Well done Aga! :bounce:
Elena :hug:

IMO, I love Aga with straight hair. Just saying. :)

Black Dog
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:31 PM
If one Radwanska bothers so many people, I wonder how many more would bother two of them...










Oh wait, they're two.

Congrats, Aga! :yeah:

gaja kesari
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:34 PM
Good win Agnieszka, congratulations! Good luck in the semis :D
Elena, far too many errors, sorry, you did not really give yourself a chance :shrug:

fouc
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:35 PM
It was a bad match. Really bad. I can't even say I'm happy. Another disappointing match in this tourney. Well, good luck Aga in SF!

fouc
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:39 PM
http://video.eurosport.pl/tenis/wta-indian-wells/2010/radwanska-dementiewa_vid129799/video.shtml :eek: what a point!

that was defo THE craziest tennis point I have ever seen.

roelc
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:39 PM
Wow I'm impressed at your counting abilities. Even I'm not sure I could get to 14,000 in 15 mins.

tip: if you know the capacity of a stadium, you can also count the empty seats. might save you some time. :wavey:

AndreConrad
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Congrats Agnieszka :yeah:
Elena :hug:

Zojirushi
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Lena:hug:

goodluck in Miami

KamilZ
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:52 PM
:banana::banana::lol::lol: This tournament just keeps getting better, and better!!:help:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

maybe we will see SF(!!!???): Radwanska-Wozniacki :help: no way...i want to die... :help:
we will see, who is better pusheeeeeeeeer(H2H 1-1)...yeah...i hate IW in this year :help:
In 3 sets will be 10 winners...i love it...tennis is great! :lol:
I'm feel sorry for people who bought tickets to SF match(if Caro beat Jie) :worship:

New generation!? :lol:

Brena
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:53 PM
It must have been Dementia galore...

helio_c
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:03 PM
Lena :o

Bronx19
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:17 PM
Elena is as dumb as they get, almost expected.

égalité
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:18 PM
oh my :hearts:

Win your next match but lose to Jelena in the final plz :D

F-R-E-A-K
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:19 PM
Elena D :o :tape:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:36 PM
Elena had no rhythym at all.
At times she tried to play the cat n mouse game which is Agi's speciality.
Looked lost...

DragonFlame
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:10 AM
Glad i turned my tv off after the first set. This match went exactly the way i thought it would go, lena is just clueless against people who can consistantly bring the ball back, she just doesn't know what to do. :shrug:

I should be disappointed, but somehow i'm happy she at least made the QF's. Hopefully she will do the same in miami. (with no henin in her QF)

ce
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:13 AM
omg :tape:

ElusiveChanteuse
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:25 AM
Aga :woohoo: :banana:
Lena :wavey:

Slampova
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:37 AM
Elena :weirdo:

harloo
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:53 AM
Elena should hide under a rock after this loss. It's no way in hell she should be losing to Radwanska. :tape:

Conor
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:57 AM
What a stupid loss Elena.

delicatecutter
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:18 AM
Elena should hide under a rock after this loss. It's no way in hell she should be losing to Radwanska. :tape:

4 times now. :yippee:

Lena doesn't just struggle against girls who can just get the ball back. She seems to be Sveta's only bitch on the Tour. :help:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Elena should hide under a rock after this loss. It's no way in hell she should be losing to Radwanska. :tape:

I agree . What is the biggest weapon of Radwanska ? . Her speed , court coverage , and still Elena is superior in that .

Shot by shot Elena is better . Not even the serve is in Radwanska favor


Elena is so weird. Should be eating those kind of players for breakfast

delicatecutter
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:43 AM
At least Lena made it farther than Bepa and Vika, both of whom I thought had an excellent chance after Henin was upset.

Chakvenus
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:52 AM
I agree . What is the biggest weapon of Radwanska ? . Her speed , court coverage , and still Elena is superior in that .

Shot by shot Elena is better . Not even the serve is in Radwanska favor


Elena is so weird. Should be eating those kind of players for breakfast

you think Aga's speed is more valuable than her consistancy?
judging from the match today, i cant see how.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:53 AM
About the match. Forgot to add : Lena should lose 100 ranking points each time she tries to execute her useless drop shots. I guess it's the only way to make her abandon this bad habit.

delicatecutter
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:55 AM
About the match. Forgot to add : Lena should lose 100 ranking points each time she tries to execute her useless drop shots. I guess it's the only way to make her abandon this bad habit.

She has other bad habits. And if you made her lose 100 points for all of them she wouldn't have any points left. :help:

I really think the loss to Kleybanova was the first sign that Lena has already reached her peak the previous two seasons and is now on her way down. Let's all pause and say a prayer. :awww:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:57 AM
you think Aga's speed is more valuable than her consistancy?
judging from the match today, i cant see how.

Yes
Consistency is an euphenism for lack of weapons , strokes .

Chakvenus
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:59 AM
Yes
Consistency is an euphenism for lack of weapons , strokes .

seriously, now. you MUST be joking.

delicatecutter
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:03 AM
Yes
Consistency is an euphenism for lack of weapons , strokes .

Aga's weapon is her consistency. Also her ability to know when to play the right shots and how to use the court to the best of her ability. It is technically impossible for her to dominate from the baseline, but she makes up for it in exposing her opponents' weaknesses and giving herself a better chance to win the points. Aga, unlike Caro, is more than willing to go for a winner if she knows she can hit it. People who call Aga a pusher must be the same ones who say Cibulkova and Errani are pushers as well. It's really annoying. Just because you don't have raw power to dictate play from the baseline does not make you a pusher.

Chakvenus
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:04 AM
Aga's weapon is her consistency. Also her ability to know when to play the right shots and how to use the court to the best of her ability. It is technically impossible for her to dominate from the baseline, but she makes up for it in exposing her opponents' weaknesses and giving herself a better chance to win the points. Aga, unlike Caro, is more than willing to go for a winner if she knows she can hit it. People who call Aga a pusher must be the same ones who say Cibulkova and Errani are pushers as well. It's really annoying. Just because you don't have raw power to dictate play from the baseline does not make you a pusher.

YES. this is a perfect summary! :worship:

Apoleb
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:04 AM
Caro vs Aga final. :hearts:

delicatecutter
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:10 AM
Caro vs Aga final. :hearts:

They're on the same half of the draw. I see you've been following this tournament closely. :hearts:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:12 AM
seriously, now. you MUST be joking.

Im not kidding
Practically every player on Tour can be consistent . The only thing required is being able to hit soft balls to the other side at a low speed. Do that and Voila , you are "consistent"

delicatecutter
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:16 AM
Im not kidding
Practically every player on Tour can be consistent . The only thing required is being able to hit soft balls to the other side at a low speed. Do that and Voila , you are "consistent"

Well some players do not struggle with Aga's "consistency" at all. They blow her off the court as Aga's game leaves her vulnerable. Lena, for whatever reason, can't make the adjustment. And FWIW, she has had far more success with Caro. She killed Caro last summer. I don't think she could ever kill Aga. That gives a lot of credit to Aga's game and her ability to frustrate Dementieva. Whenever Caro has beaten Lena, it hasn't been because Lena wasn't in the match or didn't have chances. Just food for thought.

Summer_Snow
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:20 AM
WTF Lena :mad::tape:

Huntress55
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:34 AM
Elena :( That sucks!

miffedmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:04 AM
Well some players do not struggle with Aga's "consistency" at all. They blow her off the court as Aga's game leaves her vulnerable. Lena, for whatever reason, can't make the adjustment. And FWIW, she has had far more success with Caro. She killed Caro last summer. I don't think she could ever kill Aga. That gives a lot of credit to Aga's game and her ability to frustrate Dementieva. Whenever Caro has beaten Lena, it hasn't been because Lena wasn't in the match or didn't have chances. Just food for thought.

Lena got slapped around by Caro for awhile, too. She's eventually solved her woes with every one of the retrievers except for JJ and closed the gap to something respectable--even with Myskina, her original nemesis.

Too often, it really is a case of Lena just not being patient and going for too much too soon, and thus making UEs. I think it's actually that Caro puts a little more mustard on the ball than Aga that frustrates Lena more. There were times where if Lena had been willing to rally a little longer she could win points, but she tried to overpower Aga because she has the patience of a two-year old on a grocery shopping expedition. (Trust me, I know exactly how much patience that is).

But yeah, if I'm Aga or one of her fans, and I have to play a Top 10 player, I'd be pretty much "Please God, let it be Dementieva."

Aga plays some nice points, but Lena does seem to almost go out of her way to make Aga look good sometimes, just as she does against JaJa.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:07 AM
Lena got slapped around by Caro for awhile, too. She's eventually solved her woes with every one of the retrievers except for JJ and closed the gap to something respectable--even with Myskina, her original nemesis.

Too often, it really is a case of Lena just not being patient and going for too much too soon, and thus making UEs. I think it's actually that Caro puts a little more mustard on the ball than Aga that frustrates Lena more. There were times where if Lena had been willing to rally a little longer she could win points, but she tried to overpower Aga because she has the patience of a two-year old on a grocery shopping expedition. (Trust me, I know exactly how much patience that is).

But yeah, if I'm Aga or one of her fans, and I have to play a Top 10 player, I'd be pretty much "Please God, let it be Dementieva."

Aga plays some nice points, but Lena does seem to almost go out of her way to make Aga look good sometimes, just as she does against JaJa.



:speakles: you're a two year old?

miffedmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:25 AM
:speakles: you're a two year old?

Ha ha. I have kids, you know.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Mar 18th, 2010, 05:41 AM
:haha:

Nikkiri
Mar 18th, 2010, 05:52 AM
Yay, good work Aga :)

TeraByte
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:50 AM
Gosh, people, do some of you ever watch tennis? I am not even asking if you've ever took one or two lessons how to play it!

Agnieszka won in TWO STRAIGHT SETS. I agree that it wasn't her best match (esp. in comparison to the previous one). But what she showed it was just enough to win it. She wasn't forced to boost her play to a higher level. And she is famous for economizing on her vital forces. What should she do, with (hopefully) still two matches remaining ahead of her in IW + potentially 6 (when only singles) matches in Miami (not counting bye in first round)? I would even risk an opinion that it was Bartoli, not Dementieva, who was more dangerous this time.

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:51 AM
NEVER in doubt.

Dementieva came up with brilliant tactics trying to outpush Radwanska -- 90% her shots landed near the service line. It was basically a carbon copy of her Oudin match at the USO except back then Melanie actually jumped on Lena's puffballs and was producing winners off them whereas Radwanska refused to do anything on the court once again.

P.S.
That point Lena lost at 4-6 1-2 0/40 (or was it 0/30?) is the illustration of her whole career.

Which one was it? I saw the match but dont remember every single point by heart. Was it the missed smash after a rally she has prepared so well?


This was hell of a bad match from Elena! The very worst thing is that Radwanska didnt even play her best, not even close to her best and it was enough to beat Elena.

Credit to Radwanska for not trying to do anything! She can attack but getting all ball back was enough to win. Elena played terribly. It was awful to watch. All those slices and dropshots-thats not her game and she s never gonna succeed playing that stuff. She never came to the net :shrug:

On the other hand, this loss should make her work much harder.

If she cant beat a 60%-playing Radwanska then it´s very, very bad..

I have no expectations for Miami.

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:54 AM
About the match. Forgot to add : Lena should lose 100 ranking points each time she tries to execute her useless drop shots. I guess it's the only way to make her abandon this bad habit.

The worst thing is that Lena actually believes her dropshot is good :spit: She seems so confident hitting it. If I hit it once or twice in a row like her, I would be probably too embarased to do it again. Never do it again Lena

Pops Maellard
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:04 AM
OMG Lena, why do you always lose to the pushers? :help:

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:08 AM
There are players (Radwanska, Wozniacki, Jankovic, Kuznetsova)
1.bad match-ups for Lena
2.they are confident playing Lena and can exploit her weaknesses
3.either pushers waiting for Lena´s errors (which is actually a great tactics, Lena is not very creative)
4.these four see the best how Lena´s game is so predictable

I wish at grandslams Lena has to play Williams sisters or the Belgians rather than those four

TeraByte
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:11 AM
Yes
Consistency is an euphenism for lack of weapons , strokes .

And "weapons" is an euphemism for lack of brain.

Pops Maellard
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:13 AM
And "weapons" is an euphemism for lack of brain.
Tell that to Serena Williams. :lol:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:14 AM
If she cant beat a 60%-playing Radwanska then it´s very, very bad..

What can do Radwanska playing at 100 % ?
Not so much imo . Her level is not better than this . I mean , Radwanska can not hit harder than today , her serve will not be stronger , better placed. The polish either will rip winners left and right playing at 100%

A real shame that Elena is unable to beat Radwanska cos Elena does everything better than Radwanska . Athletically and shot by shot superior , bigger titles , experience and wins against all time greats

TeraByte
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:22 AM
Tell that to Serena Williams. :lol:

Well, not in HER case, but still very, very often.

Sander.
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Lena, it's not a shame to lose to this Aga :hug:

Good luck in Miami!

TeraByte
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:46 AM
What can do Radwanska playing at 100 % ?
Not so much imo . Her level is not better than this . I mean , Radwanska can not hit harder than today , her serve will not be stronger , better placed. The polish either will rip winners left and right playing at 100%

A real shame that Elena is unable to beat Radwanska cos Elena does everything better than Radwanska . Athletically and shot by shot superior , bigger titles , experience and wins against all time greats

You are eager to judge Radwanska's game without following her matches, obviously. Everybody could observe in encounter with Bartoli, how nowadays 75% Radwańska looks like (in the first set perhaps even 80% Radwańska).

TeraByte
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:56 AM
What can do Radwanska playing at 100 % ?
Not so much imo . Her level is not better than this . I mean , Radwanska can not hit harder than today , her serve will not be stronger , better placed. The polish either will rip winners left and right playing at 100%

A real shame that Elena is unable to beat Radwanska cos Elena does everything better than Radwanska . Athletically and shot by shot superior , bigger titles , experience and wins against all time greats

And, by the way, for "Polish" use capital letter, please. Just as for "Chilean".

donniedarkofan
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:15 AM
I agree . What is the biggest weapon of Radwanska ? . Her speed , court coverage , and still Elena is superior in that .

Shot by shot Elena is better . Not even the serve is in Radwanska favor


Elena is so weird. Should be eating those kind of players for breakfast

another thread and another opinion. Tennis is not about shot by shot, you should already know that.

donniedarkofan
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Which one was it? I saw the match but dont remember every single point by heart. Was it the missed smash after a rally she has prepared so well?


This was hell of a bad match from Elena! The very worst thing is that Radwanska didnt even play her best, not even close to her best and it was enough to beat Elena.

Credit to Radwanska for not trying to do anything! She can attack but getting all ball back was enough to win. Elena played terribly. It was awful to watch. All those slices and dropshots-thats not her game and she s never gonna succeed playing that stuff. She never came to the net :shrug:

On the other hand, this loss should make her work much harder.

If she cant beat a 60%-playing Radwanska then it´s very, very bad..

I have no expectations for Miami.

But don';t you think she struggled with her own game simply beacuse Radwanska made it difficult? No rhytm, no pace...Dementieva likes strong hitting and that wasnt what Aga delievered.

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:27 AM
But don';t you think she struggled with her own game simply beacuse Radwanska made it difficult? No rhytm, no pace...Dementieva likes strong hitting and that wasnt what Aga delievered.

Radwanska wasnt playing anything special. If you saw the match you probably will admit that she was beatable. Elena-instead of attackign and coming to the net, kept hitting until she made an error or started to play slices and drop shots at which she totally sucks and cant play. She is not Schnyder, hantuchova or Henin with either great touch for a drop shot (Schn,Hantu) or great slice. She should play what she is good at.

Radwanska played exactly what she needed to in order to win. She sometimes attacks and plays very agressive, yesterday it was not the case because she really didnt have to risk. She used the best tactic she could.

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:34 AM
What can do Radwanska playing at 100 % ?
Not so much imo . Her level is not better than this . I mean , Radwanska can not hit harder than today , her serve will not be stronger , better placed. The polish either will rip winners left and right playing at 100%

A real shame that Elena is unable to beat Radwanska cos Elena does everything better than Radwanska . Athletically and shot by shot superior , bigger titles , experience and wins against all time greats

Of course Radwanska wont hit blasting winners off the baseline or put in 120mph serves.

But she made also more of easy mistakes than she usually does. She was so beatable on that day. She did nothing exceptional. She executes well and can play agressive, she also didnt serve her best. I´ve seen her play better tahn she did yesterday.

At times, her serve was better than Lena´s in yesterday´s match. Im pretty sure she got more free points with her first serve than Lena with Lena´s.

Radwanska is sometimes unbeatable (as weird as it sounds, like for example against Cibulkova at US Open, Dominika was in form and still lost 3 and 0) but yesterday she was really beatable. Lena, apart from 2-3 games played totally wrong. She even admitted it afgter the match. Before the match she said she knows she will have to play agressively and dictate.
Why the hell didnt she do it then? She didnt play A-Rad for the first time, knew exactly what to expect and what to do in order to win. Sometimes I just dont understand the Blonde...

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:37 AM
Which one was it? I saw the match but dont remember every single point by heart. Was it the missed smash after a rally she has prepared so well?

This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlvrK-tZtY

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:41 AM
Why the hell didnt she do it then? She didnt play A-Rad for the first time, knew exactly what to expect and what to do in order to win. Sometimes I just dont understand the Blonde...

She has beaten Radwanska twice having a coach

For me Radwanska should not be a bad match up for Elena , cos I repeat , Elena is better at everything . The problem is that Elena has no a coach , so she is hardly receiving good tips and looks clueless on court against pushers

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:42 AM
This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlvrK-tZtY

Oh, I hate this one. Everything that includes Lena and dropshot/slice/technique/net-volleys..it never ends up well.

There was a similar point with Myskina in Zurich i think (in 05 or 06) and i was surpised to see Myskina fcuk up the point..

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:45 AM
She has beaten Radwanska twice having a coach

For me Radwanska should not be a bad match up for Elena , cos I repeat , Elena is better at everything . The problem is that Elena has no a coach , so she is hardly receiving good tips and looks clueless on court against pushers

Better at everything?? U must be kidding! Tennis-thinking, variety, smartness, dropshots, change of pace, tactics. Lena is better at everything in terms of FH, (BH could be questioned) etc etc.

But Aga has much better tennis thinking, shot selection, creativity... You see Lena hitting wrong shots, silly ones, exactly to her opponent million times

Tennis is not just about FH and BH

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Lena should be able to figure out Radwanska even without a coach..

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:58 AM
Better at everything?? U must be kidding! Tennis-thinking, variety, smartness, dropshots, change of pace, tactics. Lena is better at everything in terms of FH, (BH could be questioned) etc etc.

But Aga has much better tennis thinking, shot selection, creativity... You see Lena hitting wrong shots, silly ones, exactly to her opponent million times



What shots are those ?

I can`t see the variety of Radwanska . People think that being a soft hitter is = smartness , variety . I don´t buy that :bs:

Another question, drop shots are good for what exactly ? . Coria and Rios were the best doing that clown shot and the achievements ...

Creativity , oh well . It is the same shot over and over again and sometimes a dropshot . Great creativity :rolleyes:

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:04 AM
What shots are those ?

I can`t see the variety of Radwanska . People think that being a soft hitter is = smartness , variety . I don´t buy that :bs:

Another question, drop shots are good for what exactly ? . Coria and Rios were the best doing that clown shot and the achievements ...

Creativity , oh well . It is the same shot over and over again and sometimes a dropshot . Great creativity :rolleyes:

You can have average and still win if you know how and when to use which shot.

Tell me how many times does Lena wrong-foot her opponent? (cross court, cross court...time and again.. :o too predictable)

You hardly can predict where Radwanska´s shot are going to.

Lena is great at hitting but not at thinking. She could shorten the rally and win them much sooner if she had a better shot selection, But no, she prefers to play 7 shots more, risking an error. (not like she prefers but she just doesnt have the tennis-head, the thinking)

Pops Maellard
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:04 AM
Oh, I hate this one. Everything that includes Lena and dropshot/slice/technique/net-volleys..it never ends up well.

There was a similar point with Myskina in Zurich i think (in 05 or 06) and i was surpised to see Myskina fcuk up the point..
The first drop shot was really good actually. The problem was the volley afterwards. :p

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:06 AM
Drop shot helps a lot. If not, why would players like Federer play it so often?

Especially against players who tend to stay 3 metres behind the baseline and get everything back.

Plus it´s another option. When you are coming to the net you can hit FH/BH CC/DTL/dropshot

nicidle
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:07 AM
u would think that lena could do just like other hard hitters do.. like safina who can kill radwanska with her groundstrokes..
lena should always be aggressive.
there is always some mental barrier for her to finish points and put away balls. esp. against this kind of players.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:11 AM
Drop shot helps a lot. If not, why would players like Federer play it so often?


Drop shots are overrated imo
90% of spanish speakers raised on clay courts dominate that shot and lets say that they are more the type of grinder players than super talents

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:12 AM
This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlvrK-tZtY

I could watch this point all day. :bounce:

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:12 AM
u would think that lena could do just like other hard hitters do.. like safina who can kill radwanska with her groundstrokes..
lena should always be aggressive.
there is always some mental barrier for her to finish points and put away balls. esp. against this kind of players.

exactly!

she just lacks confidence in her volleys and net game. she prefers to stay in baseline where she thinks she is better

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:16 AM
Drop shots are overrated imo
90% of spanish speakers raised on clay courts dominate that shot and lets say that they are more the type of grinder players than super talents

Everyone has his point of view.

For me dropshot is underrated.

Dropshot helped Schnyder a lot to beat Sharapova in Rome 05 on clay, Maria wasnt the best mover out there.

I use dropshot a lot and when hit at right time (which Lena never does plus she has a horrible drop shot) it really helps

Nikkiri
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:18 AM
I could watch this point all day. :bounce:

:inlove:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:20 AM
I could watch this point all day. :bounce:

Sure, you could. You always enjoy it when a player fails to deliver a good shot and reverts to mindless pushing instead. You are a bit of a sadist, I must say.

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:21 AM
Drop shots are overrated imo
90% of spanish speakers raised on clay courts dominate that shot and lets say that they are more the type of grinder players than super talents

Dropshots are not overrated and statements like this just show you have a lot to understand about tennis. Even if they only win a player a few points in a match a good dropshot can have an enormous effect on a match.

And this is why. A player who has a good dropshot is able to keep their opponent from settling too far back at the baseline. For many players this puts them at a distinct disadvantage in rallies as they find it harder to run down their opponents shots. It also breaks up an opponents rhythm and which can result in them making more errors. Simply, many players when they are aware of the danger of being dropshoted are unable to play as freely as they would otherwise. I think Elena Dementieva actually is just such a player.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:22 AM
Everyone has his point of view.

For me dropshot is underrated.

Dropshot helped Schnyder a lot to beat Sharapova in Rome 05 on clay, Maria wasnt the best mover out there.

I use dropshot a lot and when hit at right time (which Lena never does plus she has a horrible drop shot) it really helps

Let it like true , I don´t mind . My point is that unlike you for me drop shots don´t define a player with variety or superior talent . If your learn tennis on a clay court , that shot is easy to learn , almost natural.
Most clay court specialists are far from being what we know as talented

Beny
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:31 AM
Let it like true , I don´t mind . My point is that unlike you for me drop shots don´t define a player with variety or superior talent . If your learn tennis on a clay court , that shot is easy to learn , almost natural.
Most clay court specialists are far from being what we know as talented

Sure. But drop shot is not the only thing Radwanska has. Her DS>>>>>>> Lena´s dropshot

Hantuchova has a great drop shot and she is not a great clay courter. (Though she could have been practising on clay in Slovakia, since 95% of courts here are clay ones)

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:39 AM
Let it like true , I don´t mind . My point is that unlike you for me drop shots don´t define a player with variety or superior talent . If your learn tennis on a clay court , that shot is easy to learn , almost natural.
Most clay court specialists are far from being what we know as talented

Speak for yourself.

fouc
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Yes
Consistency is an euphenism for lack of weapons , strokes .

this is beyond stupid. :sobbing:

Malva
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:38 AM
so happy!!!!

apart from few points it was a pretty bad match!

Wasn't so bad. And those "few points" were by the way gorgeous. I watched some of them a dozen of times. Did you hear how frenetic the public and the commentators became during that incredible point played in the second set? The point of the tournament. And as usual it was Agnieszka who initiated that...

Bronx19
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:58 AM
Sure, you could. You always enjoy it when a player fails to deliver a good shot and reverts to mindless pushing instead. You are a bit of a sadist, I must say.

Shut up, Rads wasnt pushing in that point, she was counter punching.

Corswandt
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:18 AM
Another one of those horrible matches where Ratwanska brings the opponent down to her own god-awful level. Seriously, people enjoy this form of masochism? :o

I did, even though I felt that I shouldn't.

Unlike prime Schnyder, Radwanska doesn't go out of her way to make Dementieva look like an idiot, but the end result is pretty much the same. Radwanska didn't give quite the same vibe of open scorn for her opponent you sometimes got from Schnyder, but at times during the first set she seemed to be conserving her energy, as if she knew that playing at 60% would still be enough to smoke Dementieva.

Dementieva has the tactical skills of a headless chicken, and sometimes you can't help but LOL at her dunderheaded shot selection, her dropshots (which cry out for a laugh track), at the way she was completely unable to work a point, to move the ball around to open up the court - to the extent that Radwanska actually dictated a fair number of points. Unsurprisingly, Dementieva got pwned at nearly every single touch shot exchange at the net, which was also a typical feature of her matches against prime Schnyder.

Dementieva can on occasion switch autopilot off and actually construct points (even if chiefly against slower opponents) - but only for 10 games or so, after which typically her brain explodes.

But yesterday she couldn't even do that. Still, she could have won the match, or at least made the score a bit less of an embarrassment, if she hadn't lost the ability to shift gears. In recent years, she has sacrificed some (if not most) of the explosiveness of her shotmaking in favour of a more conservative ground game, in terms of both pace and shot placement. This wouldn't be much of a problem (it has made her much less upset prone, for instance) if she could still call upon her old game when required - like yesterday. But she couldn't, and robotically trading high % rally groundstrokes against a player who is as fast as she is yet more consistent in the slowest hardcourt ever designed just won't do. Her BH was a disaster, not only in the sense that she dumped it into the net a number of times for no apparent reason, but also that she can now only rally with it, something that pushers have been exploiting relentlessly over the past couple of seasons.

BTW, unlike some other posters, I don't think that having a permanent, top tier coach would do anything for Dementieva on this regard. Court sense and tactical skills can't be taught - you either have them or you don't.

Anyways, on with the vultures feasting on the rotting carcass of women's tennis. It sure isn't pretty, but it's turning out to be surprisingly fun.

pancake
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:34 AM
Sure, you could. You always enjoy it when a player fails to deliver a good shot and reverts to mindless pushing instead. You are a bit of a sadist, I must say.

You know, just because you sometimes provide some really insightful and useful stats, doesn't mean you can be such a jerk and talk as if what you say was so true and you knew everything about tennis while others knew less than you. That's not cool and you're getting annoying. You are a bit of a @sshole, I must say.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:42 AM
Shut up, Rads wasnt pushing in that point, she was counter punching.

I was talking about Dementieva, you idiot.

Corswandt
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:18 PM
A lamentably predictable outcome. I'm still shocked at how many people said she'd win this, given that Lena had a losing h2h against Aga and really seems to not care a great deal about IW.

Even in some of her pre-tournament interviews she was carping about the schedule.

I'm not trying to take too much away from Aga, who has a game that's tailor-made to beat Lena (see JJ and Caro). But Lena can beat Aga. It's just not going to be at Indian Wells. Not in 1,000,000 years.

I don't buy this "Dementieva didn't really care about this match/about IW" explanation. Selective tanking would imply that she gives at least some consideration to matters such as overall career management and proper scheduling - all stuff that I'm pretty sure doesn't even cross her mind.

AndreConrad
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:35 PM
I don't buy this "Dementieva didn't really care about this match/about IW" explanation. Selective tanking would imply that she gives at least some consideration to matters such as overall career management and proper scheduling - all stuff that I'm pretty sure doesn't even cross her mind.
This is one of the points in your statements I agree with. One cannot equate a day when a player cannot solve their problem playing specific opponent or even overcome their own mental barriers to not caring about a win. It may look like that from outside but inside it is a struggle. It happens to every player. Agnieszka may be in such situation in the very next match, I hope it will not be the case but it happens to every player over and over again. Then some say “I can’t believe such and such lost to her” or, “I can’t believe she could play such a great much and lose like that in the very next one”. Elena can certainly beat Agnieszka, she’s done it on couple occasions. I hope one day I will see a match of 100% Elena against 100% Agnieszka; I will enjoy it no matter the outcome.

Irute
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:18 PM
Aga :woohoo: congrats :yeah:

Viktymise
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:21 PM
I don't buy this "Dementieva didn't really care about this match/about IW" explanation. Selective tanking would imply that she gives at least some consideration to matters such as overall career management and proper scheduling - all stuff that I'm pretty sure doesn't even cross her mind.

This.

Also why would anyone tank in the QF of this event with the draw the way it is. Considering she's probably still desperate to get her hands on the #1 ranking, this would have been the perfect opportunity for her to pick up a load of cheap points.

TeraByte
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:33 PM
I don't buy this "Dementieva didn't really care about this match/about IW" explanation. Selective tanking would imply that she gives at least some consideration to matters such as overall career management and proper scheduling - all stuff that I'm pretty sure doesn't even cross her mind.

It is a funny thing how, when our favorite looses, or the other player, the one we hate, wins, suddenly the Premier 5 tournament like IW, from a long-awaited, welcome, desired and prestigious one, changes into a crappy, lousy, second-rate one...

LCS
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:09 PM
:worship: Lena

Aga did little to win though :shrug:

miffedmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:10 PM
I don't buy this "Dementieva didn't really care about this match/about IW" explanation. Selective tanking would imply that she gives at least some consideration to matters such as overall career management and proper scheduling - all stuff that I'm pretty sure doesn't even cross her mind.

Elena's form has been off this whole tournament, and unlike most of you I actually watched her prematch interviews where she talked about the schedule being to crowded. I'm not claiming she tanked one match. She was lucky not to have gotten bounced in the first round. And I've conceded in every post that Aga's game gives her fits.

I do think her lack of interest contributed to the largely barftastic level of play yesterday. Aga's beaten Lena on good days, too. Of course, Lena's beaten Aga.

Would Aga have beaten Lena if she had been more excited about playing IW? Quite likely. Would Elena have at least looked like a Top 10 player losing to another Top 10 player if she had been more motivated?

Yes. My point was more about the quality of play than about the final result.

As far as Lena's thinking it through, I really think it's more a case of somebody telling a stubborn child she has to do something. I get the impression from some of the things she's said the Lena really does not like the Roadmap.

brickhousesupporter
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:17 PM
Congrats Aga.....I was so not expecting this.

WOW....Who knew that Radwanska would elicit this much hate from the Lena fans....this is almost Henin vs Serena fans like. I did not see the match, so I can't comment of the amount of pushing or brainless ball bashing, so I chose to believe it was somewhere in between with Aga not going for too much and Lena rushing the play.

brickhousesupporter
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Elena's form has been off this whole tournament, and unlike most of you I actually watched her prematch interviews where she talked about the schedule being to crowded. I'm not claiming she tanked one match. She was lucky not to have gotten bounced in the first round. And I've conceded in every post that Aga's game gives her fits.

I do think her lack of interest contributed to the largely barftastic level of play yesterday. Aga's beaten Lena on good days, too. Of course, Lena's beaten Aga.

Would Aga have beaten Lena if she had been more excited about playing IW? Quite likely. Would Elena have at least looked like a Top 10 player losing to another Top 10 player if she had been more motivated?

Yes. My point was more about the quality of play than about the final result.

As far as Lena's thinking it through, I really think it's more a case of somebody telling a stubborn child she has to do something. I get the impression from some of the things she's said the Lena really does not like the Roadmap.

Max, she could have withdrawn at anytime after her first match claiming injury. If she played yesterday, then I think she was in it to win it don't you think?

miffedmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:26 PM
I don't especially hate Aga, but I am frustrated with Lena's inability to learn how to play Aga and other players similar to her. I think that's showing up as much as anything.

moby
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:05 PM
This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlvrK-tZtYThat's hilarious. :spit:

The dementieva one had a few chances to put away the point and resorted to crappy "touch" shots. And even then, Radwanska wasn't able to immediate take advantage when dementieva hit a stinker and had to hit two or three more shots before finally winning the point. I guess Aga tends to lull people into her pushtastic game, particularly headless chickens like dementieva

I say this again... Radwanska uses her "variety" in opportunistic ways and not as smart point construction a la Hingis. Hingis thinks many shots ahead in the rally and handcuffs her opponents by limiting their choices shot after shot. Radwanska thinks probably one or two shots ahead (slightly above average by current standards), but otherwise relies on her opportunistic instincts to react to and capitalise on her opponent's blunders.

miffedmax
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:48 PM
Max, she could have withdrawn at anytime after her first match claiming injury. If she played yesterday, then I think she was in it to win it don't you think?

I don't think she conciously tanked. But subconciously...

Lena is the queen of passive/aggressive behavior, the sort of woman who heaps effusive praise on her mother, then turns around and says "I would never force MY daughter to play tennis."

She was lucky to have made it as far as she did--she nearly lost in Rnd 1, was down 0-3 to Flipkins, and Rezai turned in possibly one of the worst performances of the week except for Lena's yesterday.

Lena is a lunchpail player, but there are days she definitely has a Soviet-era "good enough for government work" attitude.

Really, if Aga had played at her best, it would have been a massacre.

GoLdEnSeToV
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:51 PM
Great job Aga! It was good match:) Dementieva needs psychologic, her errors are very funny, sometimes I thought she can't head..but I won't cry, Aga is winner, so I'm really happy :)

Good luck against Wozniacki!

Nicolás89
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:56 PM
Brilliant Aga. :D

Corswandt
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I do think her lack of interest contributed to the largely barftastic level of play yesterday.

[...]

Would Aga have beaten Lena if she had been more excited about playing IW? Quite likely. Would Elena have at least looked like a Top 10 player losing to another Top 10 player if she had been more motivated?

Yes. My point was more about the quality of play than about the final result.

Point taken.

My take is that Dementieva was mentally shot, and fully aware of it - which meant that she seemed to doubt her own chances to win this match from its very beginning. But I wouldn't go as far as saying that she consciously put in less than her best effort due to lack of motivation. She played what her own mental and physical stamina levels allowed her to.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:13 PM
This.

Also why would anyone tank in the QF of this event with the draw the way it is. Considering she's probably still desperate to get her hands on the #1 ranking, this would have been the perfect opportunity for her to pick up a load of cheap points.

How weird , Corswandt II thinks like the original :eek:

BluSthil
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:18 PM
Elena is a gifted athlete. She is as fit as a fiddle, toned, and beautiful. Sad to say, but I feel her best tennis is behind her. She is 28 years old now and, unfortunately, on the backside of tennis greatness. She has sadly missed her opportunity at number 1. As fit as she is, she will continue to play very good tennis. To her credit, she has won the Olympic Gold Medal, has been in two Grand Slam finals, and has reached # 3 in the world. I wish her the very best...

Joana
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:26 PM
So this was like when Dementieva didn't care about the Australian Open because she had defended her Sydney title?

brickhousesupporter
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:56 PM
So this was like when Dementieva didn't care about the Australian Open because she had defended her Sydney title?

:happy:I don't know why.....but this way just funny.:happy:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:25 PM
So this was like when Dementieva didn't care about the Australian Open because she had defended her Sydney title?

NO

Elena played her heart out vs Henin unlike yesterday

Black Dog
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Aga's weapon is her consistency. Also her ability to know when to play the right shots and how to use the court to the best of her ability. It is technically impossible for her to dominate from the baseline, but she makes up for it in exposing her opponents' weaknesses and giving herself a better chance to win the points. Aga, unlike Caro, is more than willing to go for a winner if she knows she can hit it. People who call Aga a pusher must be the same ones who say Cibulkova and Errani are pushers as well. It's really annoying. Just because you don't have raw power to dictate play from the baseline does not make you a pusher.

Do you want to know how can you explain this apparently obvious idea to 90% of TF goers? It goes like this:

If you don't have a considerable endowment, you won't probably invest in a career in the porn industry. Yet, it doesn't mean that you can't do it.

Cosantoir
Mar 18th, 2010, 08:54 PM
You can have average and still win if you know how and when to use which shot.


Without question the best sentence of this harem.

I'm no advocate for Radwanska, but this a very true comment. How many players widely viewed as less talented than their contemporaries have been able to exceed public expectation simply by knowing what to go for, when to go for it, and how much to go for?

How many players have we looked at and seen them plateau in the rankings while seemingly having all the tools to have a stellar career but are unable to string all the explosive elements in their game together for more than two matches a year.

While I still agree Radwanska's tactical prowess is vastly and extremely overrated, it is enough to thwart someone as tactically inept as Elena Dementieva.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:06 PM
Just because you don't have raw power to dictate play from the baseline does not make you a pusher.

Inability to hit the damn ball doesn't make you a master tactician by default either. When will pushers' worshippers ever acknowledge this?

C. W. Fields
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:22 PM
Tell that to Serena Williams. :lol:

Well, after her USO SF against Clijsters I did wonder a bit about Serena's brains!